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« 2013-Jan-20, 01:30 PM Reply #25 »
Stewards sort of agree with you

Correct weight was delayed approximately 5 minutes whilst Stewards viewed the head-on footage of the start in relation to RAUCOUS LAUGHTER (Jason Whiting) rearing as the gates opened. Statements were taken from the RWWA Starter Mr M Vickers, Assistant Starter Mr M Faassen, Trainer Mr S Wolfe’s representative Mr C Beros and Jockey Jason Whiting. It was established that immediately as the start was activated RAUCOUS LAUGHTER then simultaneously reared with its barrier attendant attempting to balance the gelding before then releasing it. Stewards determined that this incident was attributable to the behaviour of RAUCOUS LAUGHTER in rearing and consequently deemed that it was not denied a fair start and it was therefore determined to be a starter under the provisions of AR.134A

Sobig - Wily is saying the horse was being held at the time of the jump, stewards are saying he grabbed it as it rared which was as the gates opened.

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« 2013-Jan-20, 02:06 PM Reply #26 »
I did say "sort of" Gintara

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« 2013-Feb-02, 04:06 PM Reply #27 »
check out P. Harvey's ride on the $1.20 favourite Portonian (after missing the start by several lengths in a field of SIX)   :lol:   :lol:

ASCOT PR 2  PAYING 
02 Feb 2013  3YO HANDICAP  Fixed Price 
RADIO TAB 3-7-4-2  ERNIE MANNING 3-1-2-7  Late Mail 3 1100M FINE GOOD(3)
 
     
2   DUETON  13.40 4.10   
4   PROFOUND EFFECT   3.10   
3   PORTONIAN   NTD    
SCR 6L 8
 
QN 2* 4 51.60   
EX 2* 4 86.00   
F4 2* 4* 3* 7 323.40   
     
TF 2* 4* 3 165.20   
 
 
1   PASSION CANTATA  15.5 4.5   R HILL(A) 8 60.5   TC 113 
2   DUETON  13.4 4.1   J WHITING 5 57.5   T 162 
3   PORTONIAN  1.1 1.0   P HARVEY 6 56.5   T 11 
4   PROFOUND EFFECT  14.9 3.1   S O'DONNELL 4 55.0    X37 
5   HOT TARGET  76.7 14.2   L CAMILLERI 7 54.0    X0X 
6   SOARING LAD      LATE SCRATCHING 1       
7   SWAP YA  11.6 4.2   C O'GRADY(A) 3 54.0   D 5X2 
8   TRIPLE BIBBLE      SCRATCHED 2       

UNiTAB Pool Totals WN $24500 QN $3398 TF $19018 
PL $6696 (NTD) EX $2445 F4 $8191

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« 2013-Feb-02, 04:20 PM Reply #28 »
It did dip at the start Vo  :rolleyes:

What I don't get, why did he then elect to head forward outside the leader  :what: The horse came from off the pace in his first win under Pike  :chin:

Still, I took $18 the winner on BF  :no1:

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« 2013-Feb-02, 04:32 PM Reply #29 »
just heard that P. Harvey had been stood down for the rest of the meeting "due to illness"  :chin:

Wonder how the punters that copped the $1.20 are feeling   :lol:

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« 2013-Feb-10, 06:29 PM Reply #30 »
race 5 at Albany, the 4 Panaster Boy bounced out of the gates and led with intent, and slammed the brakes on when the 25/1 stablemate Prince Nabe appeared on the scene, then he sat behind it till the turn, and then ran wide and interfered with the 2nd fav, eventually losing 2nd place on protest. The 25/1 stablemate led all the way. Hunter also had the 12 in the race, a 4/1 chance and was never in it

8   PRINCE NABE 22.20 4.50  
3   AMERICAN CAESAR    2.00  
4   PANASTER BOY    3.20  

8 PRINCE NABEB G 7
B PATERSON(A) 56.5
Paul Hunter - Albany (11)

White, Gold And Green Cross, White Cap29:2-2-4 $25895  T 2:0-0-0    D 4:0-0-1     1st UP  4:0-0-0     2nd UP  4:0-2-0  Desert Prince (IRE) - Nadeshiko (NZ)
8-11 ABNY G 26Dec12 1200   0 - 63   T Ikenushi (8) 58.5   $21.0 Flying Metal 6.3L  1-11.18
5-6 ABNY G 10Jan 1512   BM 59+   M Pateman (1) 54   $5.0 Inherit The T 3.5L  1-31.72
4-9 MT B G 20Jan 1850   0 - 63   B Paterson (3) 56.5   $26.0 Cestrinus 2.0L  1-56.78


4 PANASTER BOY B G 5
M FORDER 58
Paul Hunter - Albany (4) Pink, White Maltese Cross, Quartered Cap19:2-3-1 $22457  W 1:1-0-0    T 7:0-1-0    D 3:0-1-0     1st UP  4:0-0-0     2nd UP  4:0-0-0  Pricelessly (USA) - Godsong
2-12 NTHM G 19Jul12 1300   CL1   C Staples (7) 58   $6.5 Hollister 0.3L  1-18.27
0-12 MT B G 20Jan 1100   0 - 63   E Creighton (4) 58.5   $12.0 Navajo Dreami 4.3L  1-5.54
8-15 ABNY G 31Jan 1200   0 - 68   M Forder (9) 57   $13.0 City Bels 4.0L  1-12.23

12PRINCESS VIVIENB M 5
K YUILL 54.5
Paul Hunter - Albany (2) Orange, Dk. Blue Stripes And Cap43:3-3-4 $57453  W 1:0-0-1    T 1:0-0-0    D 2:0-0-0     1st UP  5:0-0-0     2nd UP  5:0-0-0  Ihtiram (IRE) - Lizzy Long Legs
0-12 ABNY G 20Dec12 1512   0 - 63   K Yuill (8) 56   $6.0 Tshuva 7.0L  1-32.27
4-12 NGIN G 02Jan 1700   0 - 63   K Yuill (12) 54.5   $7.0 Dark Humor 1.8L  1-46.38
3-9 MT B G 20Jan 1850   0 - 63   K Yuill (6) 54.5   $4.6 Cestrinus 1.5L  1-56.78


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« 2013-Feb-17, 04:49 PM Reply #31 »
Should I be surprised :chin: yet another fall over there in the west. The 4th race on wednesday. They are  :censored:  hopeless



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« 2013-Feb-24, 07:51 PM Reply #32 »
buggered if i know why the protest in the last at Pinjarra wasn't upheld, the interference to the 2nd horse down the straight looked fairly obvious, on more than one occasion  :o :shrug:

10   TUFF AS RUST   22.40 5.10   
1   ROCK CITY          1.90   
15   TITAN KNIGHT   3.40

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« 2013-Mar-03, 05:53 PM Reply #33 »
Surely Pike is a chance of getting race 6 at Bunbury in the stewards room, horribly shut out at about the 200m mark when the winner came in on him, lost all momentum before getting over heals to go down about 3/4s

 :chin:

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« 2013-Apr-17, 09:08 PM Reply #34 »
Thoughts on the WA Derby?

After the last run all I wanted to be on was Rebelson, 3 & 4 deep the trip and still boxing on at the end to be beaten a length 4th when entitled to drop out, draws inside & meets everyone 3kgs better at the weights.

They've put up $6.50

What am I missing  :chin:

Pike has made a strange decision too, hoping off Mystic Prince for the ride on Gold Broker  :shrug:

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« 2013-Apr-17, 09:39 PM Reply #35 »
Moreish looks the main danger, draw is important to both I would suspect

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« 2013-May-09, 09:20 AM Reply #36 »
From this morning's WA press.....


WA's peak horse racing authority has been rocked by allegations of systemic race fixing involving Eastern States betting syndicates, with up to 10 WA jockeys on their payroll.

In an extraordinary letter last month to racing industry leaders, including Racing and Wagering WA chief executive Richard Burt, the author highlighted five races since December that he believed were "manipulated" by the syndicates.

"The information I have accumulated isn't just the races that have been fixed," he wrote.

"I also have the list of individuals involved and the mobile telephone numbers associated with most of those individuals."

Mr Burt said yesterday the allegations were taken seriously and investigated by an expert panel, which found no evidence to substantiate the claims after studying video evidence of the races.

"We treated it at the highest level," Mr Burt said. "We believe the claims are inaccurate. We would argue the races were in accordance with the rules of racing."

The letter, which was obtained by _The West Australian _ amid speculation its author is a leading Perth jockey, named four other jockeys allegedly involved in Perth and country race day stings.

None of those jockeys was spoken to as part of the RWWA inquiry.

"The past 12 to 18 months in WA racing have been the worst I have ever known for race manipulation," the letter said. "I should know as I have been involved indirectly."

The author called on race officials to investigate phone records and money trails that led to suspected jockeys.

He described the betting syndicates as "well-oiled machines" that used the teams of jockeys to set up wins for horses that have been the targets of significant betting plunges.

"The bottom line is that what is occurring on the track is systematic abuse," he wrote. "It is insider trading as inside knowledge is being used for financial gain. If the truth did come out it would be very embarrassing for RWWA and the State Government."

Mr Burt agreed there was a perception in the industry that a lot of money was being wagered in WA from syndicates in the east.

"It's important to manage the reality and the perception of integrity in the industry," Mr Burt said.

"We're putting on another investigator. We'll be seeking more pre-race analysis and betting information so we can see what's happening in the betting markets and how the race should unfold according to those betting markets.

"What we have to be careful of is not overreacting to normal things that unfold in racing."

The letter said one of the methods used by the syndicates was to organise jockeys to allow a horse which naturally leads out in a race to stay in front and win. In one example given, the price for the horse shortened significantly before the start and the horse was a surprise winner.

"Apprentices have limited involvement, but that will change," the letter's author wrote. "The breeding ground is toxic and something has to be done. Your next generation could be totally tainted."

In February, RWWA completed an inquiry into separate claims about race fixing by a Sydney betting syndicate and found "misinformation and unfounded speculation" were behind the allegations.

RWWA said at the time there was no evidence of inconsistent betting patterns or any correlation to a rider's mounts being backed.

But in the letter last month, RWWA was warned if no action was taken over the allegations it would be referred to the Corruption and Crime Commission.

The author claimed to have provided all the information to a lawyer.

"Go back a couple of weeks," he wrote. "The race was won by (name deleted). I can assure everyone the race was well and truly determined before the gates opened."

Mr Burt said he was not interested in the author's identity and accepted that whistleblowers were needed in racing.

"We've investigated it," he said. "We've put it to the highest people in the industry. We've committed more resources."

Any thoughts Carey & Rodent as you are both  followers of WA Racing ?

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« 2013-May-09, 09:47 AM Reply #37 »
Disgraceful cop out by RWWA, reminiscent of RVL.

Ask for money so as to let the fixing continue.

And it seems to me that if you go to the trouble of regularly fixing races, you would also make the small effort to utilise the illegal Asian betting outlets that our media is oblivious to.

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« 2013-May-09, 11:11 AM Reply #38 »
WA racing has smelt a fair bit in the last 12 months that I have been betting more on it. The level of ability displayed by jocks is poor....perhaps that's by design

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« 2013-May-10, 12:46 PM Reply #39 »
do you like steak bubba?

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« 2013-May-11, 05:24 PM Reply #40 »
Carey

Steak ? only when it is hot, not when it is stale and off.
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« 2013-May-15, 08:53 AM Reply #41 »
The individual and associated website which perpetuated these rumours will shortly be taken to account

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« 2013-May-15, 08:25 PM Reply #42 »
The story was run in the local newspaper wasn't it?

"Rumour" would infer the allegations aren't true.

Good to see you are getting on with your life Della  :no:

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« 2013-May-15, 09:47 PM Reply #43 »
The individual and associated website which perpetuated these rumours will shortly be taken to account

According to WA reports the letter submitted was unsigned. Della how do you think that "individual will be taken to account" ?  I heard Fred Kersley say today that at a convened meeting all trainers , jockeys and owners ( how many owners he did not say  ) were adamant  that WA racing was beyond reproach. They would say that , what else would one expect them to say ?.the trainers and jockeys have a vested interest  :rolleyes:

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« 2013-May-16, 09:38 AM Reply #44 »
It is now a police matter, RWWA will be looking at taking legal action
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« 2013-May-16, 06:35 PM Reply #45 »
Hope they get a decent graphologist to determine who wrote that letter.

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« 2013-May-16, 07:19 PM Reply #46 »
the letter was typed

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« 2013-May-17, 07:00 AM Reply #47 »
Better get Columbo onto it. Maybe the typewriter dropped its G's
He was always good at that sort of detective work  :lol:

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« 2013-Jun-13, 11:15 AM Reply #48 »
With all the ballyhoo RWWA spruiks  how well WA racing is going, in the real world there must be something wrong, at yesterday's metropolitan meeting held in suburban Belmont, only one bookmaker turned up to bet on the local meeting.

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« 2013-Jul-05, 10:41 PM Reply #49 »
THey were up to their old tricks last wednesday at Belmont. The 7th race over there was a joke. Someone will be killed soon the way those cowboys ride


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