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Offline Arsenal

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O.P. « 2019-Mar-29, 01:45 PM »
Rocky stewards concluded an inquiry yesty on a complaint from a part owner that leading bookie Vince Aspinall refused to lay his bet .....naturally the horse won at very short odds.



Supplementary Report
 
From Rockhampton, 28.2.19
 
Stewards today concluded a matter which involved a complaint from owner Liam Goody in relation to the conduct of licensed bookmaker Mr Vince Aspinall. After considering the evidence that had been provided on 28 February, stewards  found  Mr Aspinall guilty under LR88(1), the particulars of which as a bookmaker when offering a dividend about a runner, namely Mr Attitude in Race 6 at the Rockhampton Jockey Club on Thursday, 28 February 2019, Mr Aspinall did fail to lay that dividend when demanded  by a bettor, namely Mr L. Goody. After hearing submissions in relation to penalty, Mr Aspinall was fined the sum of $700. In assessing penalty stewards took into account Mr Aspinallís good record over 43 years of being a licensed bookmaker.

ENDS

Many years ago I had a similar problem with the bookie at Rocklea refusing to take my bet ...again the horse won ..the stewards ruled in my favour ..but told the bookie he had right of appeal ..which he exercised in due course before the now defunct QHRB ...I submitted a preliminary point that there was no right of appeal as there was no penalty involved...that didn't float...the appeal was upheld without giving reasons ..I pursued it with the Ombudsman who eventually wrangled a reason out of them ..it was simply that no contract had been entered into.....the clerk had taken my money and called the bet which met the requirements of me demanding a bet....obviously a bad decision from the then QHRB  but for the money involved there was no point in taking it any further... some time later I heard that the bookie donated the money he should have bet to some charity....and eventually we patched up the difference.

Giddy Up :beer:


Offline JWesleyHarding

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« 2019-Mar-29, 01:58 PM Reply #1 »
.....the clerk had taken my money

Did he give that back?

Offline arthur

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« 2019-Mar-29, 03:59 PM Reply #2 »
Checked the Stewards' Reports (28 Mar) and (28 Feb . . the day of the 'offence') no mention of the 'particulars'

Would be interesting to hear both sides of the story



Bookie in Gladstone, (about a month ago) . . . betting on Bris/ Syd/ Melb/ Adel/ and 5 x Local Races . . . $300 TOTAL for the afternoon . .
And . . These poor buggars are compelled to lose $1 000 on demand in a single bet

Something out of whack, when 365 can offer to lose less than $10 on the day before a provincial TAB meeting

And it doesn't seem so long ago that UBet shut down their 'fixed odds facility' to everybody at a couple of agencies in Mackay (including the racetrack) because a big pro-punter was suspected to be in attendance

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Mar-29, 07:23 PM Reply #3 »

Queensland is Queensland

Offline stevo63

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« 2019-Apr-01, 12:10 PM Reply #4 »
@JWH the old rule was once the money in clerks hand with odds on the board the bookie was compelled to take the bet, looks like the best was refused ....so therefore got his money back

Offline arthur

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« 2019-Apr-01, 01:09 PM Reply #5 »
No . .

The clerk does not have the authority to declare a bet "on"

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« 2019-Apr-01, 10:48 PM Reply #6 »
The rules of betting apply ...the bookie is required to take the bet once the punter "demands" that he bet the price shown on the betting board...how does the punter "demand the bet" if he has a credit account he politely asks for the odds to whatever he wants say 600/400 or if a cash punter hands his cash to the clerk who takes the money and calls the bet..the bookie is obliged to take it up to whatever the bet limit is..".LR  BR.21 Bookmaker to lay dividends offered (1) A Bookmaker offering a dividend about a runner shall be compelled to lay the dividend if demanded by a bettor but shall not be compelled to stand to lose more than the amounts prescribed by the Control Body. (2) In the event of a bettor wanting to bet for an amount greater than that which the Bookmaker is willing to accept and which is greater than that required to be accepted, as prescribed by the Control Body, the Bookmaker shall inform the bettor of the maximum amount which is required to be accepted and shall offer to accommodate the bettor to at least that amount. (3) A Bookmaker shall not be compelled to accept a bet of in aggregate less than $1. (4) Money taken by a Bookmaker or his Bookmakerís Clerk in respect of any runner shall be deemed to have been accepted at the dividend on offer at the time the money was taken. (5) All winning bets that involve payment of a fractional part of one $1 shall be paid in full."

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« 2019-Apr-02, 09:01 AM Reply #7 »
Of course if the punter demands a price and that price is not on the board, the bookmaker is more than entitled to say there is no bet but only at the advertised price available.

That is simply common sense.

Isn't it ?  :yes:


Offline arthur

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« 2019-Apr-02, 10:15 AM Reply #8 »
I can't see where anybody was arguing otherwise . .



It would be interesting to know the full story, as the 'charge' as per stewards report seems out of character with Vince A's usual approach to betting

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