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Offline Arsenal

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O.P. « 2009-Feb-09, 08:25 AM »
Racing Retro gives Brisbane racing a very scant coverage  most of the time but with no metro meeting in Melb Sat Brisbane was in the spotlight and finally some on point comments were made about the out of kilter percentages bet by the bookies in the Brisbane ring compared to Sydney.  Ronnie quoted one race of 104% compared to 140/150% in Brisbane.Somethings got to be done said Ronnie a sentiment we,or most I expect,would agree with.Bet with the corporates was one suggestion he put forward.We're already doing that.I think the Clubs  and QRL should  front the bookies and put some pressure on them.One thing they could do is open the ring up or threaten to do so as bookies don't like competition. Get Tidy and others a license to field And if Brisbane bookies are bad how much worse are their Gold Coast mates I've seen percentages over 200% at times and hardly ever get below 150% at starting. emthdown

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« 2009-Feb-09, 08:35 AM Reply #1 »
That moron in charge of Queensland Racing should be looking more at issues like this and updating their pathetic and un-user friendly website rather than obsessing about cushion tracks.

Too bad he is clueless.

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« 2009-Feb-09, 08:37 AM Reply #2 »
If it was my Racetrack they would not be allowed to take a bet until their Market Percentage was less than 125%.

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« 2009-Feb-09, 09:47 AM Reply #3 »
Nothing will change.

The leader of the ring in Brisbane is a Berntley apologist and only has a license due to his "friendship" with Bentley.

All part of the incestuous nature of racing.

 

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« 2009-Feb-09, 11:33 AM Reply #4 »
agree that %s are terrible,but a flipside to this is,some of the races in qld,lend themselves to bookies betting a higher%,ie,big field of maidens,with not a lot of disclosed form,sydney bookies wouldn't get anywhere near 104% on a race like this,ps,take robbie waterhouse out of the sydney ring,and the % goes higher,the corps will probably bet a better % on this type of race,but remember,they're not obligated to bet you to lose a certain amount.
also agree that it shouldn't be a closed ring,open it up,seems a restriction of trade to me

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« 2009-Feb-09, 05:15 PM Reply #5 »
I overheard ( not an eavesdropper by habit, though) the leader of the Brissie ring tell someone he was making about 6%. Doesn't leave much room for improvement % wise in those markets.  Plenty of vacancies for anyone wanting to better the percentages being offered, start swinging the bag !

I believe were  bookies  able to access the insight offered by betfair layers on their racecourse stands, things would be very different. Bookies inside info is not as good as yesteryear. The people who supplied mail in the past need only lay them for themselves, and cut out the middleman.

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« 2009-Dec-22, 11:43 AM Reply #6 »
The Brisbane Bookies on Saturday at Doomben served up a 160% Top Fluc Market for the Open Company race won by Ghetto Blaster.

Translated it means that if they were running Two-Up and you had a $1.00 on either Heads or Tails and won, then you would win $0.25c, but if you lost then you would lose your $1.00.

I'm guessing that they were holding a bit of Top Fluc money for the fancies and contrived to ensure these punters were stitched up. Ugly.

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« 2009-Dec-22, 12:42 PM Reply #7 »
Plenty of vacant stands there Grega for you to become the ring mover and shaker, and offer better odds.  :chin:

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« 2009-Dec-22, 01:25 PM Reply #8 »
Max, you said that in your previous post.

So every complaint we might have you would recommend starting up a rival business and offering a better service - Telco's, Taxis, Restaurants etc

Once is ok but it becomes inane when it is repeated.

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« 2009-Dec-22, 01:33 PM Reply #9 »
Max, you said that in your previous post.

So every complaint we might have you would recommend starting up a rival business and offering a better service - Telco's, Taxis, Restaurants etc

Once is ok but it becomes inane when it is repeated.

I'll excuse myself on the grounds it was a long time between posts.  ;)  However, it's still a valid riposte. How can you compel bookies to bet better percentages ?  If you set some arbitrary percentage, say 130%, they'd have to walk; if they didn't, I'd join you in condemning them.

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« 2009-Dec-22, 01:47 PM Reply #10 »
I'll excuse myself on the grounds it was a long time between posts.  ;)  However, it's still a valid riposte. How can you compel bookies to bet better percentages ?  If you set some arbitrary percentage, say 130%, they'd have to walk; if they didn't, I'd join you in condemning them.

Excused.

As you suggested (twice  :))- competition. Colin Tidy bet 135% fixed odds SP on this race, which although not great it is a lot better than the poor buggers oncourse were served up by the blokes that should be able to frame a more accurate market.

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« 2009-Dec-22, 01:51 PM Reply #11 »
Allow them to view Betfair odds, and prices will improve  market % wise, but probably no great difference with the live chances.

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« 2009-Dec-23, 04:31 PM Reply #12 »
If you follow Lindsay Gallagher's betting ring report on JR . . .  (Yes I am a heretic)

 . . You will know that the satchel swingers in Brisbane haven't won since the blacks were bad . . but I have no doubt about his statement that the only horse they could lay in the last was the winner (1.80 into1.60) . . thats 55%  to 62% (av. 58 to pay 100)  . . is that low enough for the bookies lynch mob??? . . . And as Max repeats (at irregular intervals) there are vacant stands in every ring . .

Two stories . . perhaps they should be on the jokes page, but I am told that both blokes were serious

A bookie, who claimed to lose every Saturday, when asked why he didn't give it away, replied, "I can't its my only source of income."

Another bagman, who also was a regular loser, managed to win 3 million in the lotto.
His mate opined that he would now be able to be able to hang up his bag
"No," replied the bookie "I'll just keep standing up till it's gone!"

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« 2009-Dec-23, 04:47 PM Reply #13 »
If you follow Lindsay Gallagher's betting ring report on JR . . .  (Yes I am a heretic)

 . . You will know that the satchel swingers in Brisbane haven't won since the blacks were bad . . but I have no doubt about his statement that the only horse they could lay in the last was the winner (1.80 into1.60) . . thats 55%  to 62% (av. 58 to pay 100)  . . is that low enough for the bookies lynch mob??? . . . And as Max repeats (at irregular intervals) there are vacant stands in every ring . .

Two stories . . perhaps they should be on the jokes page, but I am told that both blokes were serious

A bookie, who claimed to lose every Saturday, when asked why he didn't give it away, replied, "I can't its my only source of income."

Another bagman, who also was a regular loser, managed to win 3 million in the lotto.
His mate opined that he would now be able to be able to hang up his bag
"No," replied the bookie "I'll just keep standing up till it's gone!"

Geeeez........you'd hope they had their tongues in their cheeks, wouldn't you ?  :nowink:

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« 2009-Dec-23, 04:49 PM Reply #14 »
A bookie, who claimed to lose every Saturday, when asked why he didn't give it away, replied, "I can't its my only source of income."



If ya listen to some people, though it does not matter, winning punters pay for these guys to stay in business. Dragons........

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« 2011-Jan-31, 11:10 AM Reply #15 »
Celtic Dancer the winner of race 7 at Doomben on Saturday, Top Fluc from the Brisbane Bookies was $1.80, following are other dividends/fixed odds;

$2.70, $2.70, $2.80 the three totes,

$3.05, $2.90, $2.90 fixed odds SP the three TAB's and $3.05 SP Betfair.

Just to repeat $1.80 Top Fluc with the Brisbane Bookies.

They should not be allowed on-course, raceclubs should bar them for collusion, they are a blight on Queensland Racing.

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« 2011-Jan-31, 01:33 PM Reply #16 »
We must have the dumbest punters in Australia as well when you consider Lindsay Gallagher's review of the race from JR.

Race 7 Celtic Dancer $1.80, Epic $4.80 and Cavaliered $10.00

Celtic Dancer was well backed with cash money in the ring and then money arrived on the phones for him as well. He was going to get beaten three times in the straight but still had his head in front on the line.

Runner-up Epic would have been just as bad as the winner as he took out $20,000 in one bet alone.

Cavaliered was specked in the betting and there was some money on the phones for Just Destiny who was well backed.

I laid a $2,000 bet on Man Of Oz at $17 but that was about the extent of this race.

It was a race you could have won or lost on. Personally Id have been worse off if Epic had got the photo.



Now I wouldn't mind knowing  at what price those loyal phone customers were set at.

They wouldn't all put up $1.80 in the ring to maintain a low best fluc then bet more competitive prices privately over the phone would they?

That would be price fixing.  :rant:

« Last Edit: 2011-Jan-31, 01:36 PM by Wenona »

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« 2011-Jan-31, 03:25 PM Reply #17 »
Thanks for that info Wenona.

The early cash and then the money on the phones was probably all Corporates screwing their Top Fluc punters deluxe, they would only have to put on a tiny bit of their hold with the Brisbane Bookies to kill the price.

The sooner the decent fixed odds providers get a stand on-course the better for all.

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« 2011-Jan-31, 04:06 PM Reply #18 »
Why would they bet any better than $1.80.
They are taking all the on track bets @ that price and backing it back on Betfair @ $3.00.
Not a bad way to earn a quid.
Put a stand there for every Corp and a Betfair one as well.


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« 2011-Jan-31, 04:50 PM Reply #19 »
Brisabne bookmakers are an absolute disgrace. Howevers any punters who bets Top Fluc into the Brisbane Market when everyone knows they wont go under 140 is a fool and deserve what they get.   The sooner Hoss Heinrich gets sick of doing his money on the punt and gives up the better for all of us.

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« 2011-Jan-31, 08:12 PM Reply #20 »
The sooner Hoss Heinrich gets sick of doing his money on the punt and gives up the better for all of us.

Please explain??

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« 2011-Feb-01, 08:08 PM Reply #21 »
Why would they bet any better than $1.80.
They are taking all the on track bets @ that price and backing it back on Betfair @ $3.00.
Not a bad way to earn a quid.
Put a stand there for every Corp and a Betfair one as well.




You are spot on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Bookies are definitely compressing prices and using there holds to bet back on Betfair AT A HIGHER PRICE.............That way it is impossible  for them to loose...................shifty  :censored: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!But the corporates are as weak as piss as well,they cut pack your bets and prices all the time.

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« 2011-Feb-01, 10:04 PM Reply #22 »
Brisabne bookmakers are an absolute disgrace. Howevers any punters who bets Top Fluc into the Brisbane Market when everyone knows they wont go under 140 is a fool and deserve what they get.

Antitab, don't agree with your call that everyone that bets fixed odds in markets of 140 plus is a fool. A few of us have tried to educate others on this forum about Market Percentages and what they mean but suprisingly few really grasp it.

Others that don't would include most of my relatives and probably yours as well, most of the BRC's members and regular racegoers in Queensland (a lot of the "Seniors" on track wouldn't know how to fill out a TAB ticket), and all of the "party crowd" that get ripped off at Cups meetings around Australia.

I don't think these people are fools, the reason we have a lot of rules and laws is to protect the unsophisticated from being ripped off, competition policies also provide them protection. There is no competition amongst Queenslands oncourse Bookies, in fact they are probably in collusion.

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« 2011-Feb-02, 08:25 PM Reply #23 »
Lots of my mates choose not to go to the track these days.  I fully understand the many reasons.

But the one that comes up most:  the prices bet in the Brisbane bookies' ring.

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« 2011-Feb-02, 08:44 PM Reply #24 »
I see Mr Gallagher got a mention in the Stewards report last weekend . . . .


Adjourned inquiries
Race 6. K. Ashton - replaced due to engagements at another venue
Race 8. BLACK DAKOTA being checked near the 1100m.
Race 8. GOLDEN KID - Tnr. M. Nolan to be interviewed re condition of horse
Bookmaker L. Gallagher's use of private mobile phone on course


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