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« 2015-Feb-14, 07:26 AM Reply #25 »
This will soon be forgotten now the dogs are in the spot light.

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« 2015-Feb-14, 08:02 AM Reply #26 »
This will soon be forgotten now the dogs are in the spot light.
Don't think so.  Will watch 4C before I judge, but usually these media exposes become obscure unless there is criminality involved, and evidence of same.  I doubt it given the small pools that are bet into.  Very hard to win more than 4 figures.  No bookies other than the corporates, and they would not take big bets more than once.  This may just show some barbaric practices that boofheads have always used, and a few shady trainers up to no good because they know no other way.  Tell us something we don't know about the dishlickers.   

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« 2015-Feb-14, 08:11 AM Reply #27 »
This affecting my form guide study.

Whenever I see a horse trained by the accused I'm thinking "was this horse drugged last campaign so it won't be as good this campaign...". Creates all sorts of doubt!

Anyone else have this problem?

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« 2015-Feb-14, 08:17 AM Reply #28 »
You mean disident pp ?

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« 2015-Feb-14, 08:20 AM Reply #29 »
This affecting my form guide study.

Whenever I see a horse trained by the accused I'm thinking "was this horse drugged last campaign so it won't be as good this campaign...". Creates all sorts of doubt!

Anyone else have this problem?

Every time I read a story of politicians taking bribes I think "are they all like this"?"  :mad:

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« 2015-Feb-14, 08:21 AM Reply #30 »
You mean disident pp ?

That is one of them.

Just realized I am on the wrong thread. This is the Qld Cobalt thread. Should be on the Victorian Cobalt thread. Sorry.

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« 2015-Feb-21, 05:59 PM Reply #31 »
It appears from reports that Qld has recorded more positives to Cobalt than southern states......first we were told there were 9 recorded .....after further testing 3 were found to be OK leaving 6 positives confirmed ......these were from trotting and gallopers...but no details of the horses or the trainers have been released ...apart from the fact that one trainer is no longer licensed.
Then there's a report of another 9 positives one of which was found to be within limits so that leaves 8 sent away for further analysis......results are awaited...so I've emailed RQ seeking clarification that there has been 14 positives and for details to be made public on the 6 confirmed.....and while it's obviously something within their knowledge and wouldn't require a massive search of the records.....no reply has been forthcoming so far.
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« 2015-Feb-22, 11:00 PM Reply #32 »
Terry Butts reports that French Lesson returned a positive  to Cobalt "well over the threshold" ....Glen Baker was given the news  by Alan Reardon...Baker says he didn't give the horse anything other than VAM and vitamins...nothing illegal. :o

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« 2015-Mar-15, 01:58 PM Reply #33 »
Poleline Pete in his TRAPS column in the SM today ....writes that RQ is ready to finalise its long running checks on elevated cobalt readings from gallopers and trotters....and opines an announcement is likely this week.

About time too IMO


DUE FOR BOLT OUT OF BLUE RACING Queensland is ready to finalise its long-running checks on elevated readings of cobalt from gallopers and pacers. An announcement is likely as early as this week as the RQ board struggles to stay afloat on the back of the scandal and fallout from live-baiting in dog racing. Some greyhound trainers were warned off before the MacSporran review began.

 Horse trainers in NSW were rubbed out for 10 years for cobalt positives, but testing checks in Queensland drag on for weeks.

Wagering is whipped in Queensland with pari-mutuel turnover down 16 per cent and profits down 10 per cent for the December quarter. In contrast, turnover in Hong Kong is up 8 per cent on the tightly-controlled local thoroughbreds. Terms of reference for the greyhound review include “suitability of the current regime’’ of administration.


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« 2015-Mar-19, 05:53 PM Reply #34 »
Queensland trainers with cobalt "problems" named

brad davidson ‏@braddavo 33m33 minutes ago

BREAKING:Jamie McConachy and Len Treloar + harness- Trevor Lambourn,Ken Belford, Shawn Grimsey the 5 Qld trainers with positive cobalt tests

From GC Bulletin

Horse trainers are under investigation after positive cobalt test results.

Horse trainers are under investigation after positive cobalt test results.

TWO thoroughbred and three harness trainers will face an inquiry after Racing Queensland confirmed seven cobalt positives across the two codes today.

Thoroughbred trainers Jamie McConachy and Len Treloar, who handed in his license last year, and harness trainers Shawn Grimsey, Ken Belford and Trevor Lambourn are all facing possible bans of up to three years after horses in their care returned levels above the 200 microgram per litre threshold limit.

Rockhampton-based McConachy positive test relates to his stable star Vandalised in the Rockhampton Cup on June 21 2014.

Tamborine-based Grimsey and Lambourn both had two horses each in their care that returned positives to cobalt, while Belford had one.

The Belford name has been known in harness racing circles for decades, while Tamborine-based Grimsey is the son of Gold Coast Harness Racing Club president Barry Grimsey.

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« 2015-Mar-19, 06:20 PM Reply #35 »
Looks like i was on the right track after all....

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« 2015-Mar-19, 06:51 PM Reply #36 »
What happened to the NQ trainer who admitted he was implicated, and which was the horse that Birch said was a feature provincial race winner over the winter carnival.

Neither of those trainers seem to fit those criteria, do they?

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« 2015-Mar-19, 06:59 PM Reply #37 »
OK, Vandalised in the Rocky Cup is obviously the feature provincial race @$100k

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« 2015-Mar-19, 07:20 PM Reply #38 »
So the BIG question that needs to be asked, is why did Len Treloar hand in his trainers licence when he did?

Did someone tell him he may be in trouble in the future?
If so, WHO?

Would it be fair to assume it was someone in the know amongst RQ personnel?

Is it just pure coincidence that he gave the game away, as the leading Sunny Coast trainer, who was seemingly on an upward spiral in the Qld training ranks, as this was unfolding?

I, for one was disappointed when he did give it away, as he was a mounting yard watchers favourite  :whistle:

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« 2015-Mar-20, 09:10 AM Reply #39 »
No big names amongst the two thoroughbred and three harness racing trainers in QLD...not like Victoria where the positives from Moody ,O'Brien and Kavanagh and small time family Hope team. :o

Racing Queensland Statement regarding cobalt irregularities

Thursday, March 19, 2015 5:19 PM
Racing Queensland has confirmed three harness and two thoroughbred trainers will appear before Stewards’ inquiries after their horses returned cobalt samples above the legislated threshold of 200 micrograms per litre in urine.

Thoroughbred trainer Jamie McConachy’s horse Vandalised returned a sample in excess of the threshold following its win in the Rockhampton Cup on 21 June 2014.

The other thoroughbred sample was returned by Len Treloar’s horse In The Sky Rocket at Doomben on March 29, 2014. Mr Treloar no longer holds a licence with Racing Queensland and has not been able to be contacted.

Harness trainers Shawn Grimsey and Trevor Lambourn had two horses each return samples above the threshold while Ken Belford had one sample.

Pacific Cruza (April 8, 2014) and Designer Style (April 14, 2014) returned positives for Mr Grimsey at Albion Park, while Mister Manhattan (August 6, 2014) and Ohoka Mach (April 30, 2014) returned positives for Mr Lambourn at Redcliffe.

Mr Belford’s horse Jessica Dale returned a sample above the threshold at Albion Park on September 20, 2014.

Racing Queensland stewards will now commence inquiries with the trainers as soon as practicable.

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We'll be watching with interest the outcome of these inquiries....will they follow the Victorian example and spin out the issue and await the outcome of the Victorian investigations which IMO is most likely or in the alternative prefer charges as would most certainly be the case in the event of anything other than cobalt and the outcome there is pre-determined by virtue of the relevant rule.
Giddy Up :whistle:
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« 2015-Mar-20, 09:44 AM Reply #40 »
I am interested to know if the stewards, investigators will be making inquires into who was supplying the cobalt and charging them and or when they find the supplier/s  to then make enquires into who else they were supplying.

There is no way in the world, that these two trainers are or were the only two in the qld thoroughbred industry using it.

We need a full investigation and we need full transparency.

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« 2015-Mar-20, 09:54 AM Reply #41 »
Just noticed this from Racenet.

A last start Rockhampton winner has been the subject of a significant betting move in the final event at Doomben on Saturday.

The Jamie McConachy-trained Cumani bolted in by 3-1/4 lengths in a Rockhampton class three race earlier this month.

Cumani tackles a non-metropolitan-win race at Doomben on Saturday in which he has been backed from $21 into as low as $6.50.

I presume this is the trainer that also trained the Rockhampton Cup winner and has to front the stewards inquiries regarding Cobalt samples.

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« 2015-Mar-20, 11:26 AM Reply #42 »
Just noticed this from Racenet.

A last start Rockhampton winner has been the subject of a significant betting move in the final event at Doomben on Saturday.

The Jamie McConachy-trained Cumani bolted in by 3-1/4 lengths in a Rockhampton class three race earlier this month.

Cumani tackles a non-metropolitan-win race at Doomben on Saturday in which he has been backed from $21 into as low as $6.50.

I presume this is the trainer that also trained the Rockhampton Cup winner and has to front the stewards inquiries regarding Cobalt samples.

He would have to a scratching surely?

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« 2015-May-05, 09:49 AM Reply #43 »
Second Qld cobalt inquiry to begin
Monday 04 May, 2015
The second inquiry into a cobalt irregularity in a Queensland racehorse is set down for hearing on Wednesday.

Atherton trainer Glen Baker has been ordered to attend the inquiry at Racing Queensland's Deagon headquarters.

Baker's horse French Lesson won at Doomben on January 31.

The inquiry is the first in Queensland for a horse found to have an irregularity since the introduction of a national cobalt threshold at the beginning of this year.

Chief steward Allan Reardon said Baker had been notified the cobalt level in French Lesson had been confirmed at well above the threshold of 200 mcg per litre of urine.

Stewards last week adjourned an inquiry into high cobalt levels found in Vandalised following his Rockhampton Cup win in June, 2014.

Matt Tutt, counsel for Vandalised's trainer Jamie McConachy, asked for time to get a second opinion on how legal food supplements can impact cobalt levels in horses.

That inquiry is set to resume on May 20.

NSW trainer Darren Smith has been disqualified for 15 years after admitting to injecting horses with an unregistered product containing cobalt.

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« 2015-May-05, 08:53 PM Reply #44 »
Arsenal,

Could you cite the source of that article ?  I want to use it as an example of proper reporting and need to know who to credit.

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« 2015-May-06, 05:39 PM Reply #45 »
Arsenal,

Could you cite the source of that article ?  I want to use it as an example of proper reporting and need to know who to credit.

http://www.sportsfan.com.au/second-qld-cobalt-inquiry-to-begin/tabid/91/newsid/160953/default.aspx

It's an AAP story no author that I can recall. :beer:

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« 2015-May-07, 07:03 AM Reply #46 »
TRAINER DENIES USING COBALT

ATHERTON trainer Glen Baker yesterday pleaded not guilty and was then granted an adjournment to seek legal advice on a charge levelled at him over a cobalt swab returned by his horse French Lesson at Doomben in January.

French Lesson returned samples of 790 micrograms per litre of urine and 846 mg/l following the win, which exceeds the industry threshold of 200mg/l.

Baker told stewards the only explanation he could offer was that the horse was treated with the vitamin supplement VAM in the days leading up to the race.

“In no way or form did I try to boost anything (illegally).
“I had no idea about how cobalt works and I was ignorant about it,” Baker said.

Stewards agreed to Baker’s request to seek legal advice and undertake further research on the science surrounding the rule and set an adjourned hearing date of May 15.

This case differs from that of Jamie McConaghy, which relates to mid-2014, because it came after the January 1 national threshold was introduced.

McConaghy’s case was adjourned last week.
 
Baker drove two days from Atherton to be present for the hearing

That's a long way to come...unprepared for what's to come......the adjournment obviously suits both parties.....the longer it drags on the more likely RVL will have arrived at conclusions which may suit one or other of those involved.  :shrug:

Giddy Up  :beer:

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« 2015-May-07, 01:48 PM Reply #47 »
http://www.sportsfan.com.au/second-qld-cobalt-inquiry-to-begin/tabid/91/newsid/160953/default.aspx

It's an AAP story no author that I can recall. :beer:

Thanks. 

It seems there are some competent staffers at AAP that don't need a byline to write proper press reports.  And it suits my purposes too.  Its a good example of 'hack' journalists out performing their bylined peers.  No need to invent stories of unnamed sources speaking in unison in the voice of the bylined scribe like the chorus of Greek tragedy to draw attention to themselves.

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« 2015-May-07, 08:05 PM Reply #48 »
Based on.........?

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« 2015-May-07, 09:56 PM Reply #49 »
cant wait to see the article about the early whites of the brisbane elite.........cobalt crisis not in queensland....just some country hicks going to get years....classic......the shonk has been a proper ONE

Thats what those with the snout in would like all to believe.
You can just see the headlines coming a mile off.
But its really those dirty dog trainers ruining it for everyone.


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