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« 2015-May-08, 09:00 AM Reply #50 »

Porky appears to be suggesting there's a conspiracy of silence afoot.....or it may be he's sceptical that only a handful of cobalt positives....three racehorse trainers and two in harness.....have been identified...out of hundreds of swabs taken.....defying statistical averages .....maybe there'll be more to come.......who knows. :shrug:

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« 2015-May-08, 09:14 AM Reply #51 »
Porky appears to be suggesting there's a conspiracy of silence afoot  Based on what evidence?.....or it may be he's sceptical that only a handful of cobalt positives....three racehorse trainers and two in harness.....have been identified...out of hundreds of swabs taken Based on what evidence?.....defying statistical averages You have a set do you?  Please share.....maybe there'll be more to come.......who knows. if we knew the future, we would all be rich:shrug:

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Conspiracy theories are easy.  I heard recently that Jesus had children.  S'pose I should accept that as fact.

I am concerned at Bronx's bitterness lately.  No one in harness or gallops would have wished the live baiting issue on the dishlicker fans.  But is was there, it was discovered by fair means or foul, and the code is tarnished and needs to clean up.  That process has begun and the will be good days ahead.  But why, oh why, do people wish harm to the sibling codes.  Will there be champagne corks a popping when crooks are found in the other codes?  That thinking helps nobody.  Bit like eunichs comparing penis size.....distasteful.

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« 2015-May-08, 10:24 AM Reply #52 »
Isnt the number of positives more in the 30+ range?

If it turns out to be the case then yes there is some attempt to hush it all up until after the Winter Carnival.
Blind Freddy can see that.

They are taking two different approaches with the dogs code & the horse codes.
One is constant headlines in all forms of media which can only generate from one origin
with the vulture media creating a frenzied circus around it.
The other is dealing with it in-house without the need to throw open to the public.

What achieves better results?
Which is more damaging to the codes.


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« 2015-May-08, 05:50 PM Reply #53 »

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« 2015-May-08, 06:57 PM Reply #54 »
Who ever said there were 30 Cobalt positives???????

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« 2015-Jun-25, 05:43 PM Reply #55 »
Cobalt research inconclusive: Qld Thursday 25 June, 2015
By Mark Oberhardt
Limited data about the effects of cobalt on racehorses makes it difficult to rule out legal supplements producing unacceptable levels of the banned substance, a Queensland stewards' inquiry has been told.

Stewards resumed an inquiry on Thursday into a positive swab to cobalt returned from last year's Rockhampton Cup winner Vandalised.

Vandalised returned cobalt levels at 280 and 293 micrograms per litre, which is above the national threshold of 200mcg/L.

Trainer Jamie McConachy denied knowingly administering cobalt to Vandalised, saying it may have come from a legal supplement.

Dr Robert Kinobe, a James Cook University senior lecturer and pharmacologist, told Thursday's hearing while there was a lot of research into cobalt's effects on humans and some mammals, there was minimal information regarding horses.

He said there seemed to be only a handful of investigations on cobalt in horses which were held over a time frame he considered too short.

Dr Kinobe believes cobalt could be accumulated if administered intravenously over a period of 33 days.

He said it was likely absorbing the drug orally could increase cobalt levels as could having a horse in full training.

However, he said current research and scientific readings seemed to be inconclusive and there needed to be further research.

Dr Bruce Young, from the Racing Scientific Centre, said a lot of data had been collected over the past month which showed a low percentage of horses had cobalt readings around 200 micrograms per litre.

He said he understood about 50 per cent of trainers used supplements with a cobalt component but few horses were showing high readings.

Chief steward Allan Reardon adjourned the inquiry to a date to be fixed.

North Queensland trainer Glen Baker was recently disqualified for two years for a cobalt irregularity found in January's Doomben winner French Lesson.

His appeal is on July 17.

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« 2015-Jun-25, 09:54 PM Reply #56 »
It will be interesting to see how this line holds up as it has been the 'suspicion' of myself and others :  Long courses of intravenous supplements may lead to a accumulation of cobalt resulting in elevated readings that marginally breach the threshold of prohibition.

I am not a chemist or a scientist and my suspicions have been put in the past as questions that have never really been addressed until Dr Kinobe's comments to the inquiry today.

I would not be surprised if the ARB's advice to trainers (17/12/14) that cautioned trainers that supplements could spike the threshold was made with an inkling that 'real world' elimination of cobalt was not nearly as efficient as the patchwork of existing research suggested, particularly when the horse is subject to long courses of intravenous administration (i.e. regular drips).

Nor will I be surprised if Peter Moody's Lidari has returned a more marginal breach of the threshold than the other Victorian trainers charged and that he puts a similar case to the Victorian inquiry if or when he is charged.  The long administrative trials the Victorian stewards have been undertaking fit with these suspicions.  The results will be critical.

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« 2015-Jun-26, 06:57 AM Reply #57 »
Basically all that has happened here Tonto, is cash for comment.

They have found somebody willing to support their defense.

There is no new evidence being brought to the table, just more guilty parties trying to muddy the water in the hope of getting away with murder.

I guess in the same vein as OJ Simpson ;)

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« 2015-Jun-26, 07:25 AM Reply #58 »
It was a busy day at RQ HQ down Deagon yesty......cobalt cases adjourned .......another harness trainer charged but no decision on penalty...and evidence contradicting other expert evidence south of the border about the excretion period. :shrug:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/superracing/new-evidence-claims-some-vitamins-can-lead-to-an-accumulation-of-cobalt-in-horses/story-fnii0njy-1227415151463

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« 2015-Jun-26, 07:33 AM Reply #59 »
On the transistor yesterday Mr Murrihy insinuated there were a lot more cases to come as soon as the decks are cleared with Darren Smith. Lined up like ducks

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« 2015-Jul-03, 08:32 AM Reply #60 »
 3 Jul 2015 The Courier-Mail
BRAD DAVIDSON
COBALT SCANDAL WIDENS WITH FIVE NEW POSITIVES

 QUEENSLAND’S cobalt scandal has deepened, with five new irregularities to the banned drug being recorded.

The irregularities – two from thoroughbreds and three from harness racing – were recorded in the past few months, well after the 200 microgram a litre of urine cobalt threshold had been introduced. These irregularities are different from the eight cobalt positive tests revealed by RQ earlier this year.

The B-samples from the new cases have been sent interstate for further testing.
 
The new irregularities were found after thoroughbred trainers Jamie McConachy and Len Treloar, and harness trainers Shawn Grimsey, Trevor Lambourn and Ken Belford all had horses return positives to cobalt last year.

Lambourn was disqualified for three years over positive cobalt tests to two horses, while Belford was yesterday slapped with an 18-month ban relating to his one cobalt charge.

Meanwhile, Rosehill trainer Sam Kavanagh has also been hit with an additional 16 charges.

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« 2015-Jul-03, 10:54 AM Reply #61 »
One of Mr Dixon's parting gifts to the industry was the purchase of the state of the art analyser now doing the work locally in Qld.   It cost $500K and has been in service since May.  Means they can test at will, certainly ALL winners and probably random surveillance.   All stables should be going easy on the vitamins from now on.  I would expect many more until the "slow to address the matter" stables get their act together.   The Qld lab can now test for other materials of interest regularly and more often with the new technology.     

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« 2015-Jul-03, 04:49 PM Reply #62 »
The number of new cases is 3, not 5.

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« 2015-Jul-22, 08:46 AM Reply #63 »
Toowoomba trainer Rochelle Smith caught in cobalt net after two horses in her care return positives
•   by: BRAD DAVIDSON
•   From: Gold Coast Bulletin
•   July 21, 2015 8:00PM
 
The latest positives come after thoroughbred trainer Jamie McConachy was found guilty of presenting Vandalised to race in the 2014 Rockhampton Cup with the prohibited substance cobalt in his system. Source: News Corp Australia

THE two latest Queensland trainers to become embroiled in racing’s cobalt doping scandal have claimed their innocence and plan to fight to clear their names.
 
Toowoomba thoroughbred trainer Rochelle Smith will face a stewards’ inquiry next week after two horses in her care returned positives to cobalt.

The Smith-trained Vimzig returned a cobalt positive sample after winning a race at Toowoomba on May 16 and stablemate Grey Countess also returned a reading above the cobalt threshold when finishing second in a race at the Gold Coast on May 30.

One of the state’s biggest names in harness racing, Darrel Graham also faces an inquiry early next month after his horse Mafuta Vautin returned a positive cobalt reading after winning the Group 2 Qbred Triad 4YO Entires & Geldings Final at Albion Park on May 30.

All three positive samples were recorded on dates well after the 200 microgram per litre of urine national cobalt threshold was introduced for both codes.

The Courier-Mail can also reveal there has been a further cobalt irregularity recorded in Queensland harness racing.
 
Harness racing driver-trainer Darrel Graham and Rollon Las Vagas head the field during a race at Redcliffe last year. Pictu Chris Higgins Source: News Corp Australia
 
The Queensland harness trainer involved with the irregularity has been notified but RQ stewards are waiting on secondary tests to come back before laying any possible charges.

Graham, who is third in the statewide trainers’ premiership this season with his horses earning more than $643,000 in prizemoney in 2014-15, said he was stunned by the positive reading.

“I’m completely bamboozled and I’ve had 130 winners for the season and all of a sudden one of these come up,” said Graham, who is currently in America.
“The horse was a ($1.40) favourite and we own the horse ourselves and he drew one and if you have a look at the horse’s performances he has had (18 starts and won 12 of them).”

Meanwhile, the 28-year-old Smith, who has been training in Toowoomba for eight years, also pleaded her innocence on Tuesday.

“Since being informed of the positives I’ve done some research into numerous supplements that we use that contain levels of cobalt so that’s the avenue I’m investigating,” she said.

“I’ve had other winners around the same time and all of our horses are treated the same so I was shocked that some had (cobalt positives) and some haven’t.
“I’m blown away especially at the levels of one of them.”


COBALT INQUIRY WIDENS TO COAST
The new positives come after Queensland thoroughbred trainers Jamie McConachy and Len Treloar, who no longer holds a trainers’ licence in Queensland, and harness trainers Shawn Grimsey, Trevor Lambourn and Ken Belford all had horses return positives to cobalt last year.
McConachy was found guilty on Tuesday of presenting Vandalised to race in the 2014 Rockhampton Cup with cobalt in his system.
 
Racing Queensland stewards do not wish to reveal at this stage the cobalt levels Vimzig and Grey Countess returned (none of the runnners featured above are in any way involved). Source: News Corp Australia

Vandalised, who won the race in question, has been disqualified from last year’s Rockhampton Cup as a result and RQ stewards will hand down McConachy’s penalty in the next seven days.

Lambourn (three years), Belford (18 months) and Grimsey (18 months) have all received bans in relation to cobalt positives but plan to appeal.

Atherton thoroughbred trainer Glen Baker was also disqualified for two years last month after his horse French Lesson returned a cobalt positive sample following victory in a race at Doomben on January 31. Baker disputed the length of his penalty last Friday but the Racing Disciplinary Board reserved their decision.
•   
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/superracing/toowoomba-trainer-rochelle-smith-caught-in-cobalt-net-after-two-horses-in-her-care-return-positives/story-fnii0njy-1227450891859

Another headache for all those involved....what's clear is that RQ is more advanced in dealing with the positives than RVL.....whether the decisions in Qld will have any bearing on the outcome of the Victorian charges which have yet to be heard by the RAD......the RDB under Brock Miller is still thinking about it. :whistle:

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« 2015-Jul-22, 09:03 AM Reply #64 »
Gee, all we need now is for O'Shea, Waller and Waterhouse to throw one and we can call racing off.

This can't be right. 

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« 2015-Jul-22, 09:22 AM Reply #65 »
And the flood gates start to open.

Doesnt matter all get done for presenting horse to races with a banned drug in its system.
All are guilty whether they did it or not.
Vitamins or anything else. No excuses.
Nobody can defend this charge.

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« 2015-Jul-22, 12:38 PM Reply #66 »
Ascot can

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« 2015-Jul-22, 07:33 PM Reply #67 »


Meanwhile, the 28-year-old Smith, who has been training in Toowoomba for eight years, also pleaded her innocence on Tuesday.

“Since being informed of the positives I’ve done some research into numerous supplements that we use that contain levels of cobalt so that’s the avenue I’m investigating,” she said.



Since being informed of the positives????

Any trainer who is giving any kind of supplements whatsoever and didn't 'do some research' 6 months or more ago when this all came out, is a moron, or a crook trying to piggyback on the others excuse.

I don't know which one Smith is  :chin:

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« 2015-Jul-22, 09:07 PM Reply #68 »
And the flood gates start to open.

Doesnt matter all get done for presenting horse to races with a banned drug in its system.
All are guilty whether they did it or not.
Vitamins or anything else. No excuses.
Nobody can defend this charge.

Those with their head in the sand wanted us to believe that horse racing was squeaky clean  :shutup:

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« 2015-Jul-23, 07:54 AM Reply #69 »
nothing involving money and gambling is ever sqeaky clean  :bulb:

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« 2015-Jul-23, 07:22 PM Reply #70 »
nothing involving money and gambling is ever sqeaky clean  :bulb:
Gold Lotto in Macau??

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« 2015-Jul-23, 07:45 PM Reply #71 »
nothing involving money and gambling is ever sqeaky clean  :bulb:

  emthup

Those with common sense and without their head in the sand would understand that Richo.

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« 2015-Jul-28, 08:28 PM Reply #72 »
The trainer of Vandalised which tested positive to cobalt has been given 18 months to think about it.....but he claims to be innocent and asserts he only gave the horse vitamins.....can't understand how these supplements breached  the threshold ..is going to appeal.

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« 2015-Jul-28, 09:22 PM Reply #73 »
Yes, stuff labelled "vitamins" could well contain cobalt as an unidentified extra.

No rules to say they shouldn't.

No Therapeutic Goods Association certification applying to veterinary products that I know of.

Go to Asia and you can buy "male potency vitamins".  The label will show all sorts of weird and wonderful ingredients - which sounds impressive.  The stuff works well, too.  What the label doesn't show is that the product also contains slidenafil.  :rolleyes:


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« 2015-Jul-29, 02:46 AM Reply #74 »
Jeez, you'd be a bit stiff if you tested positive to sildenafil.
« Last Edit: 2015-Jul-29, 02:50 AM by tontonan »


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