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Offline Redbream91

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« 2015-Mar-27, 12:46 PM Reply #50 »
Have a couple of midweek meetings at deagon to take the strain off other tracks

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« 2015-Mar-27, 01:30 PM Reply #51 »
Meetings can't keep being lost and prizemoney lost.

The Kilcoy meeting should be transferred to either Monday or Tuesday with no other meetings programmed.

IMO.

Thoughts ?

You don't even have to think . .

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« 2015-Mar-28, 10:08 AM Reply #52 »
Interesting runner in the 5th at Kilcoy today.

DAZET (4g by ZAHA from Nova Dancer)

First start, Warwick (maiden) 800m on 31 January, started at $31, ran 12th of 13 beaten 14L, on a Dead 5.

Second start, Warwick (maiden) 1100m on 14 March, backed from $61 to $9, won comfortably, on a Good 3.
Ran fast time that day, 0.7 sec (5L) faster than the C2 on the same program.

Kilcoy C1 over 1060m today.
Could be better than these.
Slow 6 track a ?.


Races called off because of a fuel tanker crash on the highway nearby, would you believe, and I was on at the best price bet,  bugga. :tears:

Only just realised it is in at the Toowoomba meeting being run at DALBY today, race 7.
Missed the price. :rant:
$7.00 into $4.20. :sad:
Will be hard to beat.  emthup

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« 2018-Mar-17, 10:31 AM Reply #53 »
R1 #3 at Rocky today Brook's Pleasure could not have been more impressive when it won on debut but $1.28 seems very skinny.

Diamond Account was 3rd beaten 7.25 lengths to BP carrying the same weight.

Subsequently it was 3rd with 58 kg to Gypsy Toff (same weight 58kg) beaten 4.25. #6 Speeding Frenzy, it equalizes the form even more. 12.6 L vs 14.5 L.

Point being that I think the $1.28 may reflect an over-estimate of the form from that race which was a maiden.

#4 Legal Ties has strong 2YO Open form and compares slightly favourably in the ratings to #1 Shenron and #2 Wicked Grimshaw




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« 2018-Mar-17, 12:18 PM Reply #54 »
R1 #3 at Rocky today Brook's Pleasure could not have been more impressive when it won on debut but $1.28 seems very skinny.

Diamond Account was 3rd beaten 7.25 lengths to BP carrying the same weight.

Subsequently it was 3rd with 58 kg to Gypsy Toff (same weight 58kg) beaten 4.25. #6 Speeding Frenzy, it equalizes the form even more. 12.6 L vs 14.5 L.

Point being that I think the $1.28 may reflect an over-estimate of the form from that race which was a maiden.

#4 Legal Ties has strong 2YO Open form and compares slightly favourably in the ratings to #1 Shenron and #2 Wicked Grimshaw


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« 2018-May-06, 01:43 PM Reply #55 »
Barcaldine in the Central West home to the legendary Tree Of Knowledge and the formation of the Labor Party had it's new GRASS track opened yesterday the feature event R6 The Tree of Knowledge Cup won by Tuxedo Boy  which qualifies him and the runner up to contest the  final at Doomben  on 23 June.....two more qualified at Gregory Downs yesty these are the results from both.
 
I stayed at Barcaldine a couple of times during my Union days very hospitable people and a string of pubs lining the main street the publican where I stayed Bluey Stirling and his wife had a horse named Hoo Ha after a comment by the late Margaret Whitlam RIP.

https://www.racenet.com.au/horse-racing-results/barcaldine-20180505/all-races

https://www.racenet.com.au/horse-racing-results/gregory-downs-20180505/all-races


BUSH STARS IN RUN FOR THE MONEY SM story
AUSTRALIA’S final Group 1 meeting of the season takes on new significance in 2018, with the inaugural running of the Battle of the Bush Final.
With a monster prize pool of $100,000, the June 23 final wraps up a 17-race series which began at Cunnamulla on April 24. The series continued through Emerald on April 28 and at Bundaberg yesterday.
Other venues scheduled to host Battle of the Bush heats are Gordonvale, Longreach, Mount Isa, Warwick, Burdekin, Charleville, Thangool, Nanango, Atherton, Bowen, Cloncurry, Goondiwindi and Barcaldine.
Those 16 clubs represent eight regions in country Queensland and each region will have two runners in the 16-horse final.
Former champion Melbourne trainer Peter Moody had his beginnings in country Queensland and welcomes the new initiative.
“Racing is a way of life for people living in country and regional Queensland and I welcome any new idea which shines the spotlight on the hardworking participants in these regions,” he said.
This year also marks significant anniversaries for a number of Queensland’s regional and country race clubs.
Rockhampton and Gympie both celebrate 150 years of racing, while the heritage-listed Gayndah Jockey Club marks 150 years since the first Queensland Derby was run at its course in 1868.
Eidsvold is 130 years old this year, while Monto celebrates 90 years of racing. This year also marks 40 years of racing in Betoota, while the younger Middlemount Race Club turns  30 in 2018.



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« 2018-May-06, 10:54 PM Reply #56 »
Arsenal
Thanks, enjoyed reading the above post  8-)

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« 2018-May-07, 01:07 AM Reply #57 »

BUSH STARS IN RUN FOR THE MONEY SM story
AUSTRALIA’S final Group 1 meeting of the season takes on new significance in 2018, with the inaugural running of the Battle of the Bush Final.
With a monster prize pool of $100,000, the June 23 final wraps up a 17-race series which began at Cunnamulla on April 24. The series continued through Emerald on April 28 and at Bundaberg yesterday.
Other venues scheduled to host Battle of the Bush heats are Gordonvale, Longreach, Mount Isa, Warwick, Burdekin, Charleville, Thangool, Nanango, Atherton, Bowen, Cloncurry, Goondiwindi and Barcaldine.
Those 16 clubs represent eight regions in country Queensland and each region will have two runners in the 16-horse final.
Former champion Melbourne trainer Peter Moody had his beginnings in country Queensland and welcomes the new initiative.


First and foremost, great news for country racing in Queensland. This is "real" country racing looking at some of the names of the towns involved and the final should be a great race.

But the "new initiative" comment from Pete Moody? C'mon. This is a flagrant copy of the Country Championships held by Racing NSW that have been enormously successful . Victoria has even copied it.

Good one Pete   :lol:

The great thing about these country series/finals championships is not so much the final but the heat days. The experience in NSW has been that the country raceclubs that host heats get an extra feature race day and the courses are packed like they are on local Cup Day.

Places like Barcaldine will find their tracks packed on Championship heat day and it will be a boost for local businesses. They get major local media coverage. The atmosphere is fantastic just like it is on local Cup day.

Good on them for giving the Queensland country race clubs a boost like this.

Doesn't cost that much in the big scheme of things yet the effect is enormous in places that really need it. 

Our country towns are slipping into hidden poverty as the effect of regressive taxation takes hold (country people earn a heap less on average than their city counterparts yet taxes on a whole raft of items like petrol, alcohol and tobacco, along with the GST, are designed by city politicians and ignore this earning difference and which has driven middle class country people into the poor class).

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« 2018-May-07, 07:35 AM Reply #58 »
http://www.racingqueensland.com.au/Thoroughbred-Industry/2018-Battle-of-the-Bush-Series


Yes, good to see the 'bush' getting a little something

Qld governments of both persuasions believe that de-centralization is sending jobs from Brisvegas to Ipswich



Bowen Race Club get their turn on June 2, and track and facilities, as per usual, look a treat   :king:

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« 2018-May-07, 07:40 AM Reply #59 »
Most of the country tracks - and there are dozens and dozens - wouldn't have a chance of meeting current compliance obligations on WH&S, Liquor Licensing, Security, etc.

They might be able to run the occasional non-TAB meeting, but they'd make very little out of that.  Sad really, but the world has changed.

Just looking back over some of the earlier posts on this thread . .

Some make interesting reading  :beer:

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« 2018-May-07, 09:50 AM Reply #60 »
Fancy Dubbledee giving anyone any advice on how to run a race meeting. At least they don't have to worry about WH&S, Liquor Licensing , Security, etc at his racetrack at Eagle Farm. It is still a large sandpit.
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« 2018-May-08, 08:23 AM Reply #61 »
ABC New story and pictures of Barcaldine's new grass track on opening day Well done to the Bushies good crowd scenes and Longreach just down the road is still racing on dirt.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-06/outback-racing-receives-makeover-in-western-queensland/9719928


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« 2018-Jul-06, 07:36 PM Reply #63 »
Race 8 - 4:49PM TRIPLE M ROCKHAMPTON CUP OPEN Handicap (1600 METRES)

Of $100,000.1st $61,000, 2nd $20,500, 3rd $10,500, 4th $5,000, 5th $3,000
Handicap, Minimum Weight 54kg, Apprentices cannot claim.


No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight
1 280150x904 CANTBUYBETTER Ben Currie Brad Pengelly 14 60kg
2 245314x007 OUTRAGED Kelly Schweida Ric McMahon 8 57.5kg
3 6953648x00 COLOUR CHARGE Natalie McCall Ryan Wiggins 12 55.5kg
4 124011x611 BALBOA ROCKS Darryl Hansen Micheal Hellyer 2 54.5kg
5 0x11812x37 BERGERAC Steve Tregea Nozi Tomizawa 10 54kg
6 9x82185x14 DECONSTRUCTED Tom Button Chris Whiteley 4 54kg
7 10343x6013 FRENCH HUSSLER John Wigginton Darryl McLellan 13 54kg
8 x726635106 LEGAL PROCEDURE Lyle Rowe David Hayse 3 54kg
9 19372x3902 EL CAMPEADOR Tony Gollan Alannah Fancourt 11 54kg
10 4x11311x43 GREY STEYNE Lindsay Hatch Nathan Day 7 54kg
11 1420644365 MAMSELLE CORDAY Tony McMahon Les Tilley 15 54kg
12 2406215x46 VAULTING AMBITION Chris Anderson Anthony Allen 6 54kg
13 70x8770071 KINCAPLE CHIEF (NZ) John Smerdon Luke Rolls 9 54kg
14 116x150214 LET ME SAY THIS James Rundle Ms Elyce Smith(a) 5 54kg
15 2552351x02 NO EFFORT NEEDED Zoe Hohn Ms Sonja Wiseman 1 54kg

Seven of the 15 runners in last year's race are engaged tomorrow.

Finish No Horse Margin Bar. Weight Comments
1 1 COLOUR CHARGE
3 58.5kg Down 3kg
2 6 DESERT GENERAL 1.3L 6 54kg
3 13 VAULTING AMBITION 1.4L 12 54kg Same weight
4 8 DECONSTRUCTED 1.5L 2 54kg Same weight
5 11 EL CAMPEADOR 2.8L 5 54kg Same weight
6 2 MR EPIC 2.9L 7 57.5kg
7 10 LEGAL PROCEDURE 3L 11 54kg Same weight
8 9 FRENCH HUSSLER 3.1L 10 54kg Same weight
9 3 ALLKNIGHT SAINT 4.1L 9 56.5kg
10 5 GULLY COMMAND 4.4L 13 54.5kg
11 12 RED LETTER DAY 5.4L 1 54kg
12 7 MOTORISED 5.6L 8 54kg
13 4 HEART OF A WARRIOR 19.1L 4 55.5kg

Weather is given out as Overcast and the track is currently a Soft 5.

Ignoring these conditions, and concentrating on the runners with city form....

#1 Cantbuybetter has won at Listed level over a mile at Doomben beating Hopfgarten. This is his 4th run back. Has not carried 60kg in his last 8 starts. He carried 59.5 kg for a 10th out of 12 at the Gold Coast before being turned out last campaign. Has barrier 14 but the track is wide and spacious with a very long straight and I tend not to worry about barriers here. The fact his form with big weights is questionable is more the concern here.

#2 Outraged was 4th at Listed Mumm Stks over a mile behind the Snowden horse Grande Rosso. He has carried virtually the limit weight in seven of his past eight starts. Has to carry 3.5 kg above the limit here and his best form is over distances a little longer than this.

Last year's winner #3 Colour Charge was unable to win a race last campaign and his two starts this campaign suggest he is has not been able to regain that Cup winning form. In fact he is 3 kg down on the win last year but you'd have to have a bit of blind faith to back him.

#4 Balboa Rocks is in white hot form. 24 starts for 7 wins and 8 placings, four of those wins have come in his last 5 starts. Added to that he is down significantly in weight but up in grade obviously.

#9 El Campeador is capable of winning at his best but needs conditions to suit. Ridden patiently. The long 600m straight will suit him.

#10 Grey Steyne is ultra consistent with 8 runs in the past 12 months the worst he has finished is 4th.

#12 Vaulting Ambition was 3rd last year and carries the same weight. He is a BM 75 city winner who could run a  race here.

#14 Let Me Say This has had limited starts as a post 3YO suggesting some issues but his form this campaign has been excellent.

Ben Currie has a team of 13 up at Rocky and is confident that the topweight can break the weight carrying record to win

Trainer Ben Currie believes topweight Cantbuybetter can produce a weight carrying record to claim his first Rockhampton Cup at Callaghan Park on Saturday.

Cantbuybetter received topweight of 60.5kgs for the 1600-metre feature and will eclipse the previous metric record held by the Rex Lipp-trained Gene’s Interest if successful.


http://www.racingqueensland.com.au/News-And-Guides/July-2018/Record-required-for-Cantbuybetter-to-win-Cup

Not sure if I share his confidence.

TIPS: The bookies have pretty much got the main chances covered here.

Might have a few dollars each way on the #12 and #14 at $26 and $41 respectively and stick them in some exotics. Hard to find value in the big field on the current prices though.


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« 2018-Jul-07, 12:17 PM Reply #64 »
That track is in really bad shape. Rick McIntosh is calling them like he just got home from the Calcutta.

Entertainment value only today.

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« 2018-Jul-07, 05:33 PM Reply #65 »
Local hobby trainer, local hobby owners  :beer:

Had no right on weights to beat Balboa Rocks . . but that's racing, and wet tracks can do that . . not to forget PM's overloaded fields

The mystery, to me at least is . .

How COULD they send B.R out @ 6 to 4  :what:

They left some in . . .  :shutup:

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« 2018-Jul-08, 12:46 PM Reply #66 »
Most city racegoers probably  wouldn't be aware that each Saturday in the bush in Qld there are 5 or 6 country clubs in towns with a population that you could count on the fingers of one hand running race meetings ......Stamford is one such place where yesty there were 5 races mainly worth $8.5K with the main race $10K won by Bush Caviar a runner up in the Battle of The Bush at Doomben at his previous start...

Other non TAB venues yesty were Barcaldine 5 races worth $7K with the main one $10K .....Charleville another 5 races for $7K and one for $10K..... Oak Park had a two day meeting Friday and Saturday with higher prizemoney $14K with the main worth $20K while on Friday the main race was worth $17K...... there were 4 races at Warra for $7K and Wondai had 5 for $7K each and there's the TAB clubs Doomben , Gold Coast, Rockhampton and Toowoomba all raced yesterday with better prizemoney.

A look at Stamford.

https://www.outbackqueensland.com.au/town/stamford/

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« 2018-Jul-08, 03:44 PM Reply #67 »
Most city racegoers probably  wouldn't be aware that each Saturday in the bush in Qld there are 5 or 6 country clubs in towns with a population that you could count on the fingers of one hand running race meetings ......Stamford is one such place where yesty there were 5 races mainly worth $8.5K with the main race $10K won by Bush Caviar a runner up in the Battle of The Bush at Doomben at his previous start...

Other non TAB venues yesty were Barcaldine 5 races worth $7K with the main one $10K .....Charleville another 5 races for $7K and one for $10K..... Oak Park had a two day meeting Friday and Saturday with higher prizemoney $14K with the main worth $20K while on Friday the main race was worth $17K...... there were 4 races at Warra for $7K and Wondai had 5 for $7K each and there's the TAB clubs Doomben , Gold Coast, Rockhampton and Toowoomba all raced yesterday with better prizemoney.

A look at Stamford.

https://www.outbackqueensland.com.au/town/stamford/

Giddy Up :beer:


We discussed that on the Qld racing thread some time ago Arsenal.

Queensland is certainly unique in this sense. This is next weeks meetings



With the introduction of the Point Of Consumption" tax (POC) might be time to revisit these question.

Lets compare Qld to Victoria - everyone always compares to NSW so let's be different  :)

There are 9 meetings next Saturday in Qld vs 2 in Victoria.

There are 9 meetings for the whole week in Victoria compared to 15 in Qld.

The questions I delivered were met with very emotive responses which I can understand being a country racing fan but the responses left the questions unanswered.

The questions were along the lines of:

- How much prizemoney is spent on non TAB meetings in Qld compared to Victoria?
- Would some of this prizemoney be better spent on a more centralized model (note the term "more centralized" - doesn't necessarily mean sending the money to the city)
- Would a model whereby one or two new major racing centres in country Queensland and concentrating racing in those centres deliver a better return on investment, and allow those who want to become "professional country industry participants" a better vehicle to achieve that?
- Are there too many non tabbys?
- What effect will the POC tax have on Qld racing, especially country non TAB racing?

These are very tough questions and you'd expect emotive answers. But the inescapable fact is that non tabbys do not have a separate income stream i.e. there are no racefields fees and certainly no "Point Of Consumption" tax.

Balancing that on the other side of the coin is the fact that if you make radical changes then that affects people's lives.

And there is also the political angle. If RQ were to remove some of the non tabbys and either shift them to Monday, or make them TAB meetings or scrap them altogether, then what would be the political fallout? Conversely are votes being "bought" by paying the premium it costs to maintain so many non tabbys.

The sort of metrics you need to come up with are things like

- average amount of prizemoney earned per horse per state
- breakdown of this figure into amount earned per TAB meeting and non TAB meeting
- amount delivered back into the system per horse through race fees and POC, broken down into TAB vs non TAB meetings

The Victorian figures would be impressive.

But we must remember that the unique geography of Victoria whereby Darren Weir can send horses to Mildura does not exist in Qld.

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« 2018-Jul-08, 06:43 PM Reply #68 »
Not quite true PP. Doesn't Stan Johnson with all the " Craiglea " horses send them to centres at least 800 kilometres away such as Mackay, Townsville , Cairns etc ?

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« 2018-Jul-08, 06:53 PM Reply #69 »
Not quite true PP. Doesn't Stan Johnson with all the " Craiglea " horses send them to centres at least 800 kilometres away such as Mackay, Townsville , Cairns etc ?

The statement was that Victoria has geography more favourable to sending city/provincial horses to country meetings.

Stan would probably agree with me when he gets his float bills  :)

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« 2018-Jul-08, 06:56 PM Reply #70 »
No emotive reply from this quarter

I knew that Qld was a long way ahead of the other colonies in most areas  :no1: but we are actually 'gapping' them in country racing . . well done us


I don't know the answers to most of the questions posed . . and am too old to be too concerned . . the current system will apply when I 'weigh in'

Now a question of my own . .

How can a POC tax negatively affect non-TAB country racing, when the whole point of the tax is to give the overall industry more revenue . .  (even the Qld govt would not be stupid enough NOT to pass on the majority of it)

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« 2018-Jul-08, 07:24 PM Reply #71 »

How can a POC tax negatively affect non-TAB country racing, when the whole point of the tax is to give the overall industry more revenue . .  (even the Qld govt would not be stupid enough NOT to pass on the majority of it)

The answer is conditional upon the part in the brackets and you and I know it is no given that some of this money will find it's way back into country racing  ;)

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« 2018-Jul-08, 08:34 PM Reply #72 »
The trouble with the economic rationalists such as PP is that they cannot see past their own hooters. If life was based on this mentality then we might have one meeting in Sydney or even Melbourne every Saturday where the prize money would be stupendous and the participants would be rewarded like European soccer players. Sounds like Hong Kong. Thankfully we have a better system where we value the Industry and what it creates financially and socially . Long may it reign.

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« 2018-Jul-08, 09:40 PM Reply #73 »
The trouble with the economic rationalists such as PP is that they cannot see past their own hooters. If life was based on this mentality then we might have one meeting in Sydney or even Melbourne every Saturday where the prize money would be stupendous and the participants would be rewarded like European soccer players. Sounds like Hong Kong. Thankfully we have a better system where we value the Industry and what it creates financially and socially . Long may it reign.

Did you know anyone can look at your last posts?

Go back through your recent posts mate. All very negative.

Kind of destroys any credibility when you do that all the time i.e. if I posted black you would post white regardless.  :nowink:

Did you actually read any of my post? It seems like you just read the last sentence.

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« 2018-Jul-08, 10:15 PM Reply #74 »
No I would argue the opposite. Credibility is hardly destroyed when you argue against the status quo. I don't simply take a different view point to you but I do agree that you must have purchased a set of rose coloured glasses. If my problem is negativity ( and that is how you get change in Society ) then yours is simply that you seem to be a terminal nodder to all forms of officialdom.. The rubbish you wrote the other day about everything being hunky dory with Integrity in Victoria. Smerdon , Oliver,Nikolic and the cobalt cheats had all been exposed and dealt with so nothing is wrong at the bottom of the garden. Really! And that is the extent of it ! Amazing how the spin doctors can influence some people. Can you believe Four Corners wasting our money to throw some more vile at some of these respectable citizens ?


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