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« 2017-Dec-18, 02:42 PM Reply #125 »
Archie sure is fired up today. Interesting to see what happens.

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« 2017-Dec-18, 03:10 PM Reply #126 »
yes will be interesting, of more importance but will go unquestioned was the "appointment" of ring-a-ding-dong Bell's mate Dale Monteith to investigate the track disaster. Here is a guy who's never grown a blade of grass in his life, no qualifications (except being dings mate) at track renovation and all he had to say was  never followed up anyway. Got to feel for Alan Shuck, a bloke who never did a grass growing course in his life, never had any degrees but was able to maintain a safe and consistent racing surface at both Bundamba (when it was a shit hole) and Eagle Farm for more than 35 years. Why on earth they dug the joint up is still a mystery, if those dumbells in charge had given it 6 months to restabalize it would have been fine. The track had raced well for 150 years without any of these dark suited spivs who barely understand which part of a horse goes past the post first suddenly turn up and wreck the place under the guidance of bigger idiots who get paid a small and large fortune for SFA.

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« 2017-Dec-18, 04:45 PM Reply #127 »
if those dumbells in charge had given it 6 months to restabalize it would have been fine.

Sorry Stan that would have never happened.  :no:

I've well documented here what they did wrong (and I'm only watching from 1000kms away on TV) but they were stuffed once they continued on the maintenance program that was part of the contract, the only way out was to rip off the top of the track to rid the track of the organic layer they had created.

I have no reason to believe the track wasn't constructed properly and being sand based is fine if treated correctly but you can not use the same maintenance practices on sand based tracks that you have for the last 40 years on the original or conventional loam type surfaces.  :bulb:

Think of it like this, you have a virgin sand that is basically inert, no microflora or any of the goodies that help the profile cycle and break down organic matter but what do they do? They stick 1 tonne / ha of chicken manure fines every month over the damn thing (as per the program from the contractor) this creates a black pudgy layer that simply can not break down. This created an organic layer on the surface that capped the sand, this just promotes disease, weakening the plant, insect attack etc all while moisture can't move through so to compound it the roots wouldn't & didn't need to go deeper (all the moisture is stuck at the top remember) so it was like racing on a big pudgy sponge that the horses just tore out as there was no root development  :shutup:


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« 2017-Dec-18, 06:55 PM Reply #128 »
how did news ltd employ the bloke again in the first place is also apt?

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« 2017-Dec-19, 07:14 AM Reply #129 »
gintara, you sound like youve grown the odd tomato like plant giving your expose f the EF track disaster, my point is that a bloke who was never trained or educated in track maintainence managed to have the track useable for decades while the punting dollar remained constant yet we have a new EF "Board" of virtual spivs with no prior racing knowledge except sitting inside the committee bar drinking members free piss suddenly "lose" $12 mill and forever destroying one of the best tracks in oz.

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« 2017-Dec-19, 08:12 AM Reply #130 »
Will the butterfly have his wings crushed?

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« 2017-Dec-19, 09:46 AM Reply #131 »
gintara, you sound like youve grown the odd tomato like plant giving your expose f the EF track disaster, my point is that a bloke who was never trained or educated in track maintainence managed to have the track useable for decades while the punting dollar remained constant yet we have a new EF "Board" of virtual spivs with no prior racing knowledge except sitting inside the committee bar drinking members free piss suddenly "lose" $12 mill and forever destroying one of the best tracks in oz.


"virtual spivs". I luv it :clap2:

QLD is not on it's own in that regard Flemington & Randwick are basket cases and some of those bloke are racing people but clearly are taking orders from the virtual spivs

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« 2017-Dec-19, 05:45 PM Reply #132 »
BRC track manager resigns
3 hours ago by AAP
Brisbane Racing Club track manager Sean Bridges has resigned and will finish up almost immediately.

Bridges has been the track manager at Eagle Farm for about five years.

He met with BRC officials earlier this week about a possible restructure of the track management during next year's remedial work on the troubled Eagle Farm course.

Bridges, who was due to go on holidays on Thursday, sent his resignation to the BRC on Tuesday afternoon which caught officials by surprise.

BRC Chairman Neville Bell confirmed Bridges had resigned but emphasised he had not been dismissed,

"We accepted Sean's resignation with major regret. He has been a very hard worker for us," Bell said.

He said he could not comment further on likely replacements until discussions with Racing Queensland which is overseeing the Eagle Farm reconstruction.
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Whatever prompted that .........very unlikely there'll be any further and better particulars provided.

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« 2017-Dec-20, 09:10 PM Reply #133 »
gintara, you sound like youve grown the odd tomato like plant giving your expose f the EF track disaster, my point is that a bloke who was never trained or educated in track maintainence managed to have the track useable for decades while the punting dollar remained constant yet we have a new EF "Board" of virtual spivs with no prior racing knowledge except sitting inside the committee bar drinking members free piss suddenly "lose" $12 mill and forever destroying one of the best tracks in oz.

I guess what I was getting at Stan is those same practices that worked for all those years would run into trouble on a sand based profile.

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« 2017-Dec-20, 09:35 PM Reply #134 »
even more interesting
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« 2017-Dec-20, 10:27 PM Reply #135 »
interesting


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« 2018-Jan-29, 03:04 AM Reply #136 »
From AAP via Racenet

New turf ready for Eagle Farm racetrack

Workmen will begin laying grass on the Eagle Farm course proper next week after a period of consultation and testing by contractors.

Former Racing Victoria executive Dale Monteith was in Brisbane on Thursday for a series of meetings with Racing Queensland, the Brisbane Racing Club and Racing Minister Stirling Hinchcliffe.

He was the author of a report into the remedial work needed to rebuild Eagle Farm's course proper after it was closed in May.

A small test patch has been laid at Eagle Farm and it has progressed well in the past month.

Racing Queensland's Chief Executive Elliott Forbes said grass would be cut at a farm where it was being grown on Monday.

Mr Forbes said there had been extensive consultation about the technique and methodology for laying the turf.

He said a test patch showed growth of the root structure ranging from 50mm to 75mm which was encouraging.

Mr Forbes said specialist turf consultants believes the turf was growing well and performing to expectations.

"RQ and The BRC have met with trainers and there were some positive responses," he said.

Mr Forbes said he could not put a time on a return to racing at Eagle Farm.

Eagle Farm will be closed for the winter carnival but it is expected to be reopened some time this year.


https://www.racenet.com.au/news/new-turf-ready-for-eagle-farm-racetrack-20180125

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« 2018-Jan-29, 07:54 PM Reply #137 »
Well who would have thunk it  :whistle:



He said a test patch showed growth of the root structure ranging from 50mm to 75mm which was encouraging.


You lay washed turf on a sand profile and the roots will fly down, let's hope the peanuts don't bury it in chook shit again  :shutup:

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« 2018-Mar-19, 09:15 AM Reply #138 »
Racing Minister wants answers over Eagle Farm debacle
By James Lamb Thursday at 1:09pm
Patience is wearing thin after ongoing failures at Eagle FarmImage: Getty
Racing Queensland is again in the gun over the ongoing Eagle Farm saga, with Racing Minister Stirling Hinchliffe echoing the sentiments of disgruntled punters and industry participants.

“Eagle Farm has been offline for too long and my patience is wearing thin,” Hinchliffe told The Courier Mail.

“I’ve told Racing Queensland they need to do whatever it takes to fix the track – and if that means changes at RQ, then get on with it and make those changes.”

There have been repeated delays in the remediation work of Eagle Farm's course proper, which has been out of action since May last year and has been closed for all but one year in the past four years.

It was originally envisaged that racing would return to Eagle Farm by April this year but December now looms as the earliest possible re-opening.

Hinchliffe's comments follow superintendent Dalton Consulting Engineers' decision to walk away from the troubled project.

Former Flemington track manager Mick Goodie has since been called in to give his opinion on the track.

"Mr Goodie has previously worked very closely with the expert consultants who designed and have helped remediate the new Eagle Farm track," said Racing Queensland chief executive Dr Eliot Forbes.

Eagle Farm was closed indefinitely following last year's winter carnival, where the track was rated a heavy 8 for Kingsford-Smith Cup day despite no rain falling that week.

The substandard conditions led to Racing Queensland transferring the Oaks, Stradbroke and Tatt's Tiara meetings to Doomben.

Hinchliffe said the industry could not afford for the return to Eagle Farm to be delayed any longer.

“A return to racing at Eagle Farm has to be Racing Queensland’s absolutely top priority,” he told The Courier Mail.
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« 2018-Mar-22, 08:29 PM Reply #139 »
RQ SAYS 'ET' RESIGNED - BUT WAS HE SACKED OVER FARM DEBACLE? 

IF you want to believe the propaganda posted by Racing Queensland in their Media Release, much-maligned CEO Dr Eliot Forbes resigned this morning.

Industry sources will tell you that he was pushed – sacked at the behest of the new Racing Minister Sterling Hinchliffe who is looking for a scapegoat for the Eagle Farm track redevelopment fiasco.

Question is will he walk the plank alone or should some of the high flyers from the Brisbane Racing Club stop passing the buck to RQ and accept their share of responsibility for the embarrassment that has been Eagle Farm in recent years.

Time will tell!

Who will inherit the poison chalice at RQ? Early favorite is Scott Whiteman, the CEO of Country Racing Victoria and a former CEO of the Gold Coast Turf Club.

More importantly in the short term is what ‘Pounds’ Sterling plans to do about the apparent incompetence of the BRC in this Eagle Farm disaster.

Will heads roll there as well, starting with the CEO Dave Whimpey – well that’s probably a question for the Directors who have to shoulder some of the blame?

RACING MINISTER ISSUES ORDER TO RQ: FIX THE EAGLE FARM TRACK!
RACING MINISTER STERLING HINCLIFFE made the following statement in the Queensland Parliament today on the Eagle Farm racetrack redevelopment fiasco:

‘AS I rise in this House today, the jewel in Queensland’s thoroughbred racing crown sits idle at Ascot in the electorate of the member for Clayfield. Owners, trainers, jockeys and the racing public are all being denied an opportunity to participate in the wonderful experience that is racing at Eagle Farm. That facility—a 150-year-old Queensland icon—has been out of action for far too long.

There have been too many excuses from Racing Queensland and others, too little clarity about what exactly are the impediments to finishing the job, and, quite frankly, too little clarity on what it will take to ensure that the track at Eagle Farm is once again ready for racing.

As Racing Minister, one of my very first actions was to seek assurances from Racing Queensland that the organisation had this sorry matter in hand. I asked whether the track would be ready for the Winter Carnival. ‘Possibly’, was the answer.

Faced with such uncertainty and knowing the impact a wrong decision would have on trainers’ preparation for the Winter Carnival, I supported Racing Queensland’s decision to once again hold the Winter Carnival at Doomben. Twelve weeks on, with 700 metres of track still not laid, the prospects of Eagle Farm being ready for racing in spring appear slim. And that is simply not good enough.

Today I stand in this House and say that it is time for the blame-shifting and finger-pointing to end in favour of working together. This sorry saga is trying my patience and the patience of the racing industry, while causing serious angst for Eagle Farm’s neighbours. They have borne the brunt of too much noise, dust and smells, and they have my sympathy.

In ongoing discussions with Racing Queensland chair Steve Wilson, I directed him in the strongest terms to do whatever it took to see Queensland’s most significant racing facility once again operational. The ball is now firmly in the court of Racing Queensland. I have demanded weekly briefings from the board on the progress being made with the track remediation and I have also directed RQ to keep the industry fully informed.

Despite my frustration, there is also good news for an industry that employs tens of thousands of Queenslanders and contributes $1.2 billion to the state’s economy. Working with the Palaszczuk government, RQ has completely turned around the organisation’s finances and, as a consequence, improved the industry’s long-term prospects. It has worked with the government to put together the immensely popular $70 million country racing package. It has overseen significant prize money increases, making Queensland more competitive.

I will finish by saying just one thing: fix the track!

 www.lghr.com story

Also CM piece by Nathan Exelby CM editorialised the issue as well.

http://enews.smedia.com.au/thecouriermail/default.aspx?publication=NCCM

Watch this space to see if the resignation attracts substantial payouts as the rorts previously approved by The Bobster &Co  when the high paid RQL executives were awarded salary increases and massive redundancies when they resigned. :o


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« 2018-Mar-23, 08:27 AM Reply #140 »
From The House of Broken Dreams
QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE Resumed from p. 674. Eagle Farm Race Track Mr LANGBROEK: My question without notice is to the Minister for Racing. I ask: how can Queenslanders have confidence that the minister will get Eagle Farm back on track given his record of blaming bureaucrats when things go wrong, just as at QR when rail fail started?
Mr HINCHLIFFE: I thank the member for Surfers Paradise. I have attended a number of events with the shadow minister, including the Magic Millions sales launch event with the Thoroughbred Breeders Queensland Association on the weekend. I had thought we had seen a great level of bipartisanship in supporting the great and important racing industry here in this state. I do not want to accept any element of the premise of the question from the member opposite because I am making very clear that, in relation to the very challenging issues and the issues of great concern across the whole of the thoroughbred industry in relation to Eagle Farm and the Eagle Farm track, the blame game should be put into the past. That is not actually helping; continuing a blame game and finger pointing is not the way forward. I think the member for Clayfield and some former members of this House will be very pleased that we are going to put that sort of stuff aside and move forward. In answer to the question asked by the member for Surfers Paradise, I want to make it very clear that with the statement I made yesterday in this House I put Racing Queensland on notice. I made clear that, along with the other parties involved in addressing and dealing with the issue of the track at Eagle Farm, which has been out of action for too long, we need to knuckle down and get it sorted. I am taking responsibility as minister by stepping up and demanding that of the people involved. Equally, it has been reported that the resignation yesterday of the former CEO of Racing Queensland, Dr Eliot Forbes, is directly associated with my statements and comments in relation to the Eagle Farm track. The reasons for Dr Forbes’ resignation are not a matter for me: they are a matter for him. I do not believe they are directly related. It is important that we recognise the strong work that was done by Dr Forbes with the board of Racing Queensland to restore Racing Queensland to sustainability so it is able to make a positive contribution to the racing industry here in the state. I look forward to working with the board positively, including the chair Mr Steve Wilson, on increasing and improving the future of Racing Queensland along with— (Time expired) "

Hinchy distances hiisself from Dr Forbes decision to resign ......did he have a choice?

And the question from Tim Nicholls who wants a guarantee.

"Eagle Farm Race Track
Mr NICHOLLS: My question is to the Minister for Racing. Will the minister guarantee the return
of regular racing at Eagle Farm by the end of this year and end the uncertainty over the future of racing
at Queensland’s premier racetrack?

Mr HINCHLIFFE: I welcome the member for Clayfield back to the arena. I welcome his question
on this matter after I raised it and after I put on the agenda my concern about the fact that the delivery
of the track at Eagle Farm has not occurred within the time line I was originally briefed on.

Let me make it clear that, relating to Racing Queensland and others involved in this project, as I
said yesterday in this House the blame game and the finger-pointing have to end. That is why I am not
going to reach back into the past to point out people relating to this issue with the track at Eagle Farm.
I am going to look forward—
Honourable members interjected.

Mr SPEAKER: Minister for Education, you are warned under the standing orders. Member for
Mermaid Beach, you are also warned. I call the minister.

Mr HINCHLIFFE: That is why I am so committed to receiving weekly briefings from Racing
Queensland about the state of the Eagle Farm track, commencing with a meeting that I will have today
with the chair, Steve Wilson, following briefings he will have this morning at the track.
 I will obviously go out and look at the track myself to check the progress and I will receive progress reports about the
track. As a result of my understanding of where things are, at this point I cannot give any confident
assurance about when racing will be back at Eagle Farm. What I have done, and what I will commit to,
is making sure that it will not come back until it is ready and we are confident that the track will last.


That is what occurred the last time, and that is why we are in the mess that we are in now. We need to
make sure that we get it absolutely right, and that is the assurance I will give to this House. That is the
assurance I will give to thoroughbred enthusiasts who love seeing racing at Eagle Farm right across
the length and bread of the state. That is what I will commit to.
From the House of Broken Dreams

22 Mar 2018 Questions Without Notice 677
I hope that the member for Clayfield joins us and works with us to make sure that this great iconic
facility, which is in his electorate, has the support to get it back to being right.
 It is very surprising that
the first time I heard from the member for Clayfield about the issue at Eagle Farm is here in the House
after I raised it yesterday. I have not had a letter, not a word, not a comment. "  ENDS

Tim's taken a vow of silence until now...Hinchey is doing his job they need to get on with it.

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« 2018-Mar-23, 10:25 AM Reply #141 »
Is it agreed that the use of chicken manure caused the failure?

Who made the decision to be cheap.

We all know that the Minister's Office has final say in spending.

How about a politician come out and be honest for once and acknowledge fault at the political level instead of blaming everyone else.

They are quite happy to take photo opportunities at the Magic Millions but ask them to take ownership of a SERIOUS problem? No. They go scurrying like vermin filth to the nearest rathole they can find.

The only way this is going to move forward is if someone on the merry-go-around of Racing Ministers actually gets off and takes ownership.

It isn't that hard. You can do it Mr Minister.

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« 2018-Mar-23, 07:22 PM Reply #142 »
The chicken manure was part of the program supplied from Evergreen, they are turf farmers after all  :shutup:

The Qld shoe brigade wanted to tell you 'it will be right' but it was as plain as the nose on your face from day one that it was a disaster and no amount of ducking and weaving would negate that, gee's I could see that from a 1000kms away on the TV   :lol:

That's basic soil science 101 that you can't build a sand based track and bury it in organic matter expecting it to drain yet Qld managed to waste millions on this debacle  :wacko:

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« 2018-Mar-23, 08:16 PM Reply #143 »
geeeeeees the new track at Newcastle raced beautifully yesterday 

75mm or there abouts in the 24hrs before the meeting

started on a slow , good track by race 4 ?

$11m spent 

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« 2018-Mar-23, 09:04 PM Reply #144 »
Mackay WILL race Tuesday after a lot more . .

$7 - $8 million which included a brand new function centre



But if the miserable sods had made it about 2 or 3 horses wider . . it would have been the best track in Qld

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« 2019-Jan-15, 01:17 PM Reply #145 »
Sorry Stan that would have never happened.  :no:

I've well documented here what they did wrong (and I'm only watching from 1000kms away on TV) but they were stuffed once they continued on the maintenance program that was part of the contract, the only way out was to rip off the top of the track to rid the track of the organic layer they had created.

I have no reason to believe the track wasn't constructed properly and being sand based is fine if treated correctly but you can not use the same maintenance practices on sand based tracks that you have for the last 40 years on the original or conventional loam type surfaces.  :bulb:

Think of it like this, you have a virgin sand that is basically inert, no microflora or any of the goodies that help the profile cycle and break down organic matter but what do they do? They stick 1 tonne / ha of chicken manure fines every month over the damn thing (as per the program from the contractor) this creates a black pudgy layer that simply can not break down. This created an organic layer on the surface that capped the sand, this just promotes disease, weakening the plant, insect attack etc all while moisture can't move through so to compound it the roots wouldn't & didn't need to go deeper (all the moisture is stuck at the top remember) so it was like racing on a big pudgy sponge that the horses just tore out as there was no root development  :shutup:

Well what do you know? You control your thatch you control your moisture movement  :whistle:

1000km away behind a computer but what would I know eh?


 
c/racenet.com.au

Track specialist Mick Goodie is the man who helped save Eagle Farm and he is set to be rewarded by having his contract with Racing Queensland extended by another 12 months.

Former Flemington track manager Goodie was appointed as Racing Queensland’s senior track specialist last March and his 12-month contract is set to expire this March.

However Racenet can reveal Goodie’s contract with RQ is set to be extended for another 12 months, meaning he will be overseeing Eagle Farm during the crucial winter carnival period of Group I racedays.

The news is set to be well received in Queensland given that Eagle Farm and track curator Goodie received glowing praise when the state’s premier racetrack returned to action on December 22.

Before that Eagle Farm had been closed for much of the previous four years because of problems with its redevelopment.

They hadn’t raced at Eagle Farm since the track was shut down in 2017 with a litany of problems but Goodie was always optimistic he could help restore it to its one-time glory.

In its previous incarnation, one of the main issues with the Eagle Farm track was it turned into a bog with just a few drops of rain as it had major drainage issues.

Goodie was delighted with how the track was for its comeback day on December 22 and says it is in terrific shape again for its second raceday back, this coming Saturday.

He said the issue that he and track staff had to stay on top of was a top layer of thatch which had been an problem in the past.

“If we keep the thatch under control everything will be fine,” Goodie said.

“Thatch can build up very quickly and what we have to do as track managers is to keep the thatch open and porous so rain gets through it.

“Top dressing helps keep that layer porous and we have top-dressed and verti-drained since we last raced here and we have also given the grass a haircut.”

With a week of temperatures over 30 degrees forecast in Brisbane, Goodie says track staff will pump about 70mm of irrigation into Eagle Farm before the nine-race card on Saturday.

The rail on Saturday will be 2m out for the entire course after it was in the true position for its comeback raceday last month.

Goodie indicated the rail would probably continue to be moved out for future race meetings before it returned to the true.


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« 2019-Jan-15, 04:03 PM Reply #146 »
Let’s just hope that in  Micks new contract there’s a clause that he sticks to track maintenance not manipulation
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