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Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Mar-15, 12:00 PM
We all listened to all the hype about the multi million dollar upgrade to the "new" Eagle Farm track that opened close to 12 months ago.

Statements like, "the Eagle Farm track will be the best racing surface in Australia within 6 months".

I'm not going to get to deep into my viewpoints on why they did not look at revising some of the starting points when they had the chance but the 1000mt, 1100mt and 1800mt starts are still a joke.

The result after close on 12 months is nothing short of a disgrace. The track just can't race without a major bias and trainers and jockeys are basically gagged in regards to making public comments.

For a degree of fairness, can all the blame be laid at the feet of the course curator?

Did the course curator and his team have the final say on the design, layout, drainage and the final choice of grass that was used?

So who is to blame for what is now showing as a great waste of millions of dollars from the a very cash ridden RQ?

I'm really sorry to say that the Queensland Racing Industry is going to continue on a downhill spiral. Even if there is a cash injection from the proposed Tatts merger. Giving additional funds to those currently in charge can be best explained by a saying from Albert Einstein.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Mar-16, 12:09 AM
For a degree of fairness, can all the blame be laid at the feet of the course curator?

Did the course curator and his team have the final say on the design, layout, drainage and the final choice of grass that was used?


I need to confirm that the course curator and his staff have had their hands tied in the majority of the decisions regarding the new Eagle Farm track.

Let's just hope when they are finally given the full responsibility to manage the track that it will improve greatly.

I hope their full authority is handed to them sooner than later.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-Mar-16, 08:28 AM
 THE Brisbane Racing Club on Wednesday convened a meeting with key stakeholders, including track developers Evergreen, in a bid to find out why Eagle Farm’s new surface continues to underperform.

“The way the track raced on Monday was clearly not acceptable,” BRC chairman Neville Bell said. “In November and December the track seemed to be going very well but in February and March it has gone the other way.

“We thought the only way forward was to have a meeting with all the experts.

“It’s fair to say it’s not one single thing. It’s a lot to do with the immaturity of the turf, the extreme weather conditions and the amount of racing we are doing on it.

“Flemington gets two months off after Stakes day. Caulfield gets two months after the Caulfield Cup. Our racing model up here doesn’t allow that sort of break.’’

Bell said Wednesday’s meeting convinced him and the board the track could live up to expectations in the future, but “there’s no quick fix to this’’.

“The experts say the way it was planted, it’s going to be two years before it’s a mature plant,” he said. “We just have to try and balance producing a good racing surface with growing the grass to maturity.’’

Crikey...no quick fix. :o

Giddy Up :beer:

Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Wenona on 2017-Mar-16, 11:51 AM
I don't bet much at the Gold Coast ..... but if the way the track plays deteriorates because of regular racing and the weather in SE Qld it must be the worst in Australia.

Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Mar-16, 12:17 PM
I don't bet much at the Gold Coast ..... but if the way the track plays deteriorates because of regular racing and the weather in SE Qld it must be the worst in Australia.

Hi Wenona, the Gold Coast has to be applauded with as many as 54 meetings a year and it holds up very well in all conditions. Sure could there be more camber on the home turn the answer is yes.

The track that we are all talking about is the multi million dollar disaster at Eagle Farm.

And by the way don't blame the track curator and his staff as they are under the control of the contractor that won the tender to design and upgrade the new track.

From Arsenal's blog above he can only report what was said by BRC Chairman Neville Bell. However the executive team at the BRC are to scared to admit the facts that have seen the track upgrade turn into a fiasco.

Sooner the better that they come clean and allow their course curator to take full control and get rid of the mob that stuffed up the project in the first place.

There is a lot more behind this than meets the eye but will it come out....................I very much doubt so. Roles at the BRC are very well protected.

 :rant:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: sobig on 2017-Mar-16, 03:59 PM
The only light I can see for Eagle Farm is what happened at Toowoomba. (I know it was a different contractor).

As I recall when the new track was laid there, they had major problems fro some time and copped
a heap of criticism but app appears resolved and the track looks good.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Mar-16, 06:29 PM
I haven't had many bets there. What's the bias ?
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Mar-16, 07:22 PM
I haven't had many bets there. What's the bias ?

A Good 4 rated track racing like a ploughed paddock Heavy 9, that's the bias.

One week the rail is like quick sand the next week you can't make ground out wide, it's just a joke and a disgrace to QLD racing.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-Apr-28, 06:50 PM
THE UNSINKABLE RQ TITANIC SAILS INTO THE EAGLE FARM ICEBERGS 

BRISBANE Racing Club CEO and his Racing Queensland counterpart Eliot Forbes are so far out of touch with reality when it comes to the Eagle Farm track debacle that it is embarrassing.

The good ship RQ Titanic continues to sail into the Eagle Farm icebergs refusing to listen to warnings from top trainers and jockeys that the track should be closed down, repaired or ripped up rather than raced on during the carnival.

Forbes says RQ is constantly in touch and monitoring the Eagle Farm situation with the BRC. He insists the fallout from the latest trackwork disaster will not have a detrimental effect on horses coming from the carnival.

Perhaps he should talk to a key official of the BRC who hosted a visit from a leading Sydney trainer during the week. He took one look at the Eagle Farm track then contacted his stable to declare that their horses would be headed for Adelaide instead of Brisbane for the carnival.

Whether the Eagle Farm track survives Saturday’s meeting and shows some improvement on the state it was in for trackwork on Tuesday this is only a ‘band-aid’ cure. Too many shortcuts were taken in the development process. Behind the scenes the problems involving sub-contractors in an absolute financial disaster.

But RQ and the BRC plough ahead – ignoring industry concerns and refusing to show any respect for the hundreds of thousands of punters who want to bet on Brisbane racing but now are reluctant to do so because they don’t know how the track will play not to mention that it is impossible to do the form.

BRC chief executive Dave Whimpey is living in dreamland with his declaration that Eagle Farm in time will be a world-class surface. That will take a minor miracle unless they rip the joint up and start again like the costly exercise that occurred in Toowoomba.

An indication of how serious the situation has reached can be gauged by what is being written in the mainstream racing media as evidenced by the comments of The Courier-Mail Racing Editor Nathan Exelby when he wrote:

Whimpey’s willingness to be the public face of the Eagle Farm debacle has been admirable and his openness in declaring where mistakes have been made and how the club is trying to fix them is refreshing.

But to describe Gollan and Munce’s comments as “embarrassing” is to vastly underestimate the toll that the long-running Eagle Farm saga has taken on them and their colleagues. It’s a mistake to think Gollan, Munce and Kelso Wood’s comments are out of step with their fellow trainers. Likewise, most jockeys hold a similar view and are sceptical of whether the track will ever live up to expectations. Add punters to that list as well.

What Exelby is warning is what the majority of the industry and stakeholders – not only in Queensland but the rest of Australia are thinking – how many more clowns do you need to make a circus.

It’s time for the Government to step in and insist that something is done, rather than sidestep the problems in the hope the track will come good. But we are talking about one of the most useless Racing Ministers seen in Grace Grace – and like the BRC and RQ she is just another feature performer in the three-ring circus that is Racing in Queensland.

 From www.letsgohorseracing.com

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: mortdale on 2017-May-03, 09:12 PM
Wednesday 3rd May 2017.

Basically no rain in Brisbane for 10 days.

Eagle Farm rated a Heavy 8............................................HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?

I have just heard that the BRC are applying to extend the "Heavy" rating system to a maximum of a Heavy 20 rating.

This will help if Brisbane actually gets any rain during the Winter Carnival the BRC will be able to post Eagle Farm as a Heavy 17.

I ask one question. If anyone on this forum was handed close on $50 million dollars to refurbish Eagle Farm into the top racetrack in Australia and close on 2 years after the track reopened it turns out to be nothing more than a rice paddy, would any of us have a job?

This project is one the greatest example of mismanagement you could ever witness.

The BRC and the Racing Minister should be called to answer why this has happened and justify their future employment.

I was going to say what a joke but a joke is normally something you get a good laugh out of.

This is certainly no laughing matter...............................IT'S A DISGRACE.

 :mad: :rant:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: dean on 2017-May-03, 09:42 PM
Surely the members must demand that Neville Bell and his Committee resign forthwith.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-May-03, 09:46 PM


I ask one question. If anyone on this forum was handed close on $50 million dollars to refurbish Eagle Farm into the top racetrack in Australia and close on 2 years after the track reopened it turns out to be nothing more than a rice paddy, would any of us have a job?



That's a rhetorical question isn't it? :shy:   :lol:

The warning light was flashing from the moment it opened.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Stan Still on 2017-May-04, 09:09 AM
When old horses get tired and disinterested to the stage they dont bother any more they get retired. Old stewards who get tired and disinterested and can't bother to count whip strokes even when they are double the allowed number they get their lucrative contact extended. And we wonder why Queensland Racing is and will always be the laughing stock of Australian racing. For the sake of saving a very minute amount of face please get a chief steward that can see obvious  and blatant abuses of the rules and act accordingly. Perhaps poor old al might get a free visit to specsavers as part of his extended contract.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: gunbower on 2017-May-04, 10:12 AM
Yes,  but I have seen him at the Magic Millions Sales and he seems to have a rollicking time with the licencees.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: johnojohnson on 2017-May-27, 08:56 AM
No rain in the 7 days prior to todays feature meeting and its a heavy 9.....this track is DOOMED

Better call QRIC on their flying pigs to get to the bottom of this.....just don't expect a response just a press release from the COMMISH
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-May-27, 02:37 PM
It's looking very ugly  :shutup:

Basically indefensible what has been served up.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Devil on 2017-May-27, 03:22 PM
That must be nearly close to being unsafe on the home turn
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: samatt on 2017-May-27, 03:26 PM
Looks like it hasn't consolidated and the drainage not working properly, kickback is bad. You'd have to think the Oaks meeting would be transferred elsewhere to allow for repair work if they're any chance of holding the Straddy meet there.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-May-27, 04:07 PM
Nothing they can do now will fix anything before the Straddy.

So they either race as it is or move it to Doomben.  :shutup:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: sobig on 2017-May-27, 04:52 PM
Radley just said on Sky that the officials have said they will not be changing venues for the rest of the carnival.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-May-27, 05:01 PM
Pig headed?
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: sobig on 2017-May-27, 05:46 PM
I don't know what happens if they get any rain on top of the mess they have now.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: samatt on 2017-May-27, 05:47 PM
Yeah I guess they just put the rail out as far as they can for the Oaks meeting and hope for no rain  :sweat:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-May-27, 05:50 PM
It comes down to whether it's safe, which it looked to be.

The fact it raced like a bottomless 10 with the fields coming in strung out like Brown's cows is what's not acceptable.

Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: sobig on 2017-May-27, 05:56 PM
 Andrew Bensley‏ @AndrewBensley 7m7 minutes ago

Eagle Farm had more people at track today than the last two meetings at Doomben combined. No thought @BrisRacingClub to transfer meeting
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: j.r.b. on 2017-May-27, 10:25 PM
I'm concerned by the reports that horses were swallowing a lot of kickback and coming back in with black eyes and other injuries.

Anecdotal at the moment from a few trainers, but very serious if it's true.

It's one thing for participants and punters to have to put up with an unacceptable track.

But it's another thing entirely if it's hurting the horses.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-May-27, 10:59 PM
You only had to see the close up shots from the van after they jumped from the gates JRB to know there was huge clods just shearing out of the track and flying back.

Have you even seen a meeting where so many runners were beaten over 20L or worse tailed off getting beat furlongs?
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: j.r.b. on 2017-May-27, 11:53 PM
Not one where the track's had no watering, natural or manual, for at least the week preceding it.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: j.r.b. on 2017-May-28, 12:14 AM
Reported too that the outside 3 - 5 metres of the track in the straight were doctored so as to make sure they didn't provide a fast lane.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: gunbower on 2017-May-28, 11:47 AM
What an absolute joke Queensland Racing has become. Talented horses being beaten by up to 80 lengths in races there yesterday.
In the old days they would appear in the form guide as distanced. This was supposedly one of their premier meetings on supposedly their premier track. Why doesn't the government simply close the place down and see if they can find some people to run the show who have some idea what they are doing. It is manifestly obvious that the current committee hasn't a clue. Public monies have been used to pay for that disgrace of a racetrack. Can anyone believe that it was posted as a heavy 8 and hadn't rained for ten days. On a glorious Brisbane Saturday we got a track which would be a disgrace in the depths of a Hobart winter. The oafs who run the show will say how they got a good crowd along. Yes it is not hard to get the rent a crowd mob out there , but they are not racing people. They contribute sfa to Racing and Racing turnover. I haven't seen when the AGM of the Club is yet but surely the members must act to get rid of these useless individuals who sit on this committee. Perhaps they need not get the opportunity. Queensland Racing has got rid of incompetent management committees before . The time to do so to this mob is now.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: j.r.b. on 2017-May-28, 04:38 PM
Oaks day moved to Doomben.

Presumably means a 2200m Oaks?
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: j.r.b. on 2017-May-28, 04:41 PM
Hold the phone.

New track not yet announced.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-May-28, 05:46 PM

Queensland Oaks meeting to be transferred


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28 May 2017

Racing Queensland has decided to transfer next Saturdayfs Brisbane Racing Club Queensland Oaks meeting.

 

The decision, in light of the track performance at Eagle Farm yesterday, was made in order to present the best possible surface for Group 1 racing.

 

RQ has consulted widely with industry associations and gained feedback from a wide selection of members including the nationfs leading participants.

 

Consensus amongst the feedback was, that while the track was safe for racing, it is an inferior racing surface.

 

gRacing Queensland is committed to providing the outcomes that are in the best interests of the industry as a whole and that includes a racing surface befitting the quality of the horses and races being contested,h Racing Queensland chief executive officer Dr Eliot Forbes said.

 

RQ will examine all avenues for the best placement of the race meeting, with an announcement to industry participants later today.

 

RQ will work closely with the BRC over the coming days to determine the best course of action for the remainder of the Brisbane Racing Carnival meetings.


Caloundra was soft today and they wouldn't get a crowd Doomben is the only option. :whistle:

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: dean on 2017-May-28, 06:41 PM
Why don't they just run the Oaks, Derby and Stradbroke at a venue where they can race over their traditional journeys. Randwick would seem ideal.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: arthur on 2017-May-28, 06:48 PM
North Queensland . .??

Some smart(?) people reckon we can do a Comm-Games  :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: dean on 2017-May-28, 10:20 PM
As a member of the BRC tonight I have received an email from Mr Bell (Chairman of the BRC) arguing his opposition to Racing Queensland's proposed moving of Saturday's Oaks meeting away from Eagle Farm. Apparently Mr Bell has sought a meeting with the
Racing Minister tomorrow morning to argue his case that the meeting should not be moved. Of course it should be moved. The track is an absolute disgrace. While Mr Bell has the Ministers full attention she should immediately sack him and the other members of his committee and install others in their positions so that Queensland Racing doesn't continue to be the laughing stock of this Industry. Their time to remove their backsides from the shiny seats of the boardroom has arrived.


 
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-May-28, 10:50 PM
As a member of the BRC tonight I have received an email from Mr Bell (Chairman of the BRC) arguing his opposition to Racing Queensland's proposed moving of Saturday's Oaks meeting away from Eagle Farm. Apparently Mr Bell has sought a meeting with the
Racing Minister tomorrow morning to argue his case that the meeting should not be moved. Of course it should be moved. The track is an absolute disgrace. While Mr Bell has the Ministers full attention she should immediately sack him and the other members of his committee and install others in their positions so that Queensland Racing doesn't continue to be the laughing stock of this Industry. Their time to remove their backsides from the shiny seats of the boardroom has arrived.

And if the ALP, former union boss racing minister sacked the committee and appointed new committee members, who do you suppose she would appoint  :chin:

The very last thing Queensland Racing needs at this point in time is yet more politicization of the racing industry. It is the root cause of a lot of the problems. Not this particular one I should add (failure of the new surface).

As for this problem, happy to admit I was one of the ones saying "give it time". After all, we are talking about growing grass in Brisbane FFS.

The fact that the track was as heavy as it was on Saturday after an extended period of no rain to me means that we have passed the period of "give it time" and need to start determining what happened.

Watch out for people wanting "political get squares" over what was effectively an operational failure. The strategic decision to give the track an upgrade was the correct one IMO. But those responsible for the strategic decisions would have referred the specialized work to the (so called) experts.

Before sackings (heaven forbid these are not needed at this time), the next step is to determine what has happened and publish that information without fear or favour. Needs an independent assessment - probably contract someone from NSW or Victoria who is not attached to any particular political position to make a comprehensive scientific report that can be used to determine the next course of action.

In spite of all the doom and gloom the show must go on. We should be forward looking, not backwards.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: pegasyber on 2017-May-29, 07:34 AM
  How bad or unfair was the Eagle Farm Track for  27 th May 2017.  One Point Of View Races 3, 4  and  8 shown.
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VF150417 EF42705F * RQOD WMSPD RO [  10.3   10.6   11.3   11.8   12.1   12.9   13.1   16.3   16.3   16.9   19.2   74.5   89.1   ] IN WMSPD ORDER. $PRICE/1 CALCULATED RQD ODDS ON WT MODIFIED SPEED RATINGS *

VF150417 EF42705F * TOP 2X8 LINES [  2  1  6  14  7  9 10  8 ]. CHK TOP8      RESULT  [  14  13  8  1   ]

VF150417 EF42705F * KEY SPEED NOS [   2  +!. +GW!. +TJ!.  1  +!.  =*NK*.  8  +!. +TJ!.  9 * +!.  .]>1.  7  +!.  10  +GW!. +TJ!.  14  +TJ!. ] +! = LRWD]. *HiWM>GW$C [ < 11+TJ!.  4y $21<. < 4+TJ!. +GW!. +!.  $30< ]. *N1/2W<<SP= 6  10  << 8  15  <<=BDUPL. *BP%P*= 9<: ]. <<] S/WDual IS [ 1 ] * ]CKCNT. *

VF150417 EF42705F * VALU% SELECT [ [  1 BENZINI W% 7yo  4% $12.3 Ds= 35 ]. [  4 AUVRAY W%  6yo  85% $30.1 Ds= 7 ]. [  5 MISTER IMP 7yo  9% $14.3 Ds= 35 ]. [  10 FELTRE W%  6yo  91% $23.1 Ds= 14 ]. [  12 MY DIAMANT 6yo  130% $44.1 Ds= 14 ]. [  14 KAISER FRA 6yo  573% $71.3 Ds= 14 ].  END ] @ 14:27:32 05-27-2017

VF150417 EF42705F * TOP5 RNK MVRS [  8 THE CHAIRM C=25 5yo  ]  15 METEOROLOG C=18 6yo  ]  7 PEMBERLEY  C=15 5yo  ]  13 ZAMBEZI WA C=15 4yo  ]  11 MORENDI W% C=9 4yo  ]  * T5TTLMVS[  8 15 7 13 11 A S/A F4$. CHK $T/J]*  SPCL MOVE TOTS FOR F4'S AT LEAST RESIDS. ** [  7  8  8  11  ] **  MUST CONSIDER IN NSW N VIC TAB FIRST FOURS

' **********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

VF150417 EF82705F * RACE NAME ID* [ EF82705F  2017. FRED BEST CLASSIC TRACK GROUP 3 HEAVY ( 8 ) ,,,,,,,,,,,,, 1400 mtrs]. COMPRUN 05-27-2017. AT 15:10:44 RESULT  [    21  16  13  14    ~     9    2      ]

VF150417 EF82705F * LOW LRAC WDIV [ 21 5  7  16  18  ] [  21 NICCANOVA   .  ]. [ 5 DREAMS APL  .  ]. [ 7 CALANDA W%  .  ]. [ 16 SYLPHEED W  .  ]. [ 18 ASTARA W%   .  ]. [ ] F4 & 5LOW WDIV E/W BET *. 40%

VF150417 EF82705F * WMSPD ORD TNO [     8     13     16     14     20      2      7     10     12     18     22     23     19      4     21      9      5     ]  * ] BMVRS/W [  ]*SPL*
VF150417 EF82705F * WMSPD RTG ORD [  997   986   985   984   970   954   951   943   937   937   922   918   899   895   874   859   775   ] IMPORTANT
VF150417 EF82705F * RQOD WMSPD RO [  11.2   11.2   11.2   11.3   13   16.1   16.9   19   20.7   20.7   25.6   27.7   39.7   43.8   71.2   104.1   ] IN WMSPD ORDER. $PRICE/1 CALCULATED RQD ODDS ON WT MODIFIED SPEED RATINGS *

VF150417 EF82705F * TOP 2X8 LINES [  2  8 13  21  5  12 14 4  ]  CHK TOP8 RESULT  [    21  16  13  14                    ]. 

VF150417 EF82705F * KEY SPEED NOS [   16  +!.  =*NK*. ] +! = LRWD]. *HiWM>GW$C [ < 4+TJ!. +GW!.  3y <. < 5+!.  3y< ]. *N1/2W<<SP= 14  4  << 18  <<=BDUPL. *BP%P*= 21<: ]. <<] *Hi+B$$E= 2  S/WDual IS [ 16 ] * ]CKCNT. *

VF150417 EF82705F * VALU% SELECT [  [  13 I THOUGHT  3yo  43% $16 Ds= 21 ]. [  14 RIVER RACE 3yo -3% $11 Ds= 21 ]. [  16 SYLPHEED W 3yo  34% $15 Ds= 14 ]. [  18 ASTARA W%  3yo  1% $21 Ds= 28 ]. [  20 VOLPINO W% 3yo  369% $61 Ds= 21 ]. [  22 SOCIAL CON 3yo  162% $67 Ds= 13 ]. [  23 CRITICAL T 3yo  84% $51 Ds= 14 ].  END ] @ 15:18:41 05-27-2017

VF150417 EF82705F * TOP5 RNK MVRS [  4 FRANCE W%  C=46 3yo  ]  5 DREAMS APL C=37 3yo  ] 21 NICCANOVA  C=29 3yo  ]  9 OINK W% 23 C=9 3yo  ]  22 SOCIAL CON C=7 3yo  ]  * T5TTLMVS[  4 5 21 9 22 A S/A F4$. CHK $T/J]*  SPCL MOVE TOTS FOR F4'S AT LEAST RESIDS. ** [  4  5  9  21  22  ] **  MUST CONSIDER IN NSW N VIC TAB FIRST FOURS

' **********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
   *  Not absolutely sure, but I would think studies for the other races would show something similar.
 
 
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-May-29, 09:45 AM
Eagle Farm track debate heats upBACK TO HEADLINES Monday 29 May, 2017 Tweet
Mark Oberhardt
The Brisbane Race Club has an urgent meeting with racing minister Grace Grace in an effort to overturn a decision to move the Queensland Oaks meeting from Eagle Farm.

It has put the BRC on a head-on collision course with the sport's governing body, Racing Queensland.

The stand-off has the potential to severely damage finances for both the BRC and RQ with millions of dollars in revenue and betting turnover in the balance.

After originally saying Saturday's Oaks meeting would go ahead at Eagle Farm, RQ announced on Sunday afternoon it would not be run at the track.

But RQ has yet to announce an alternative venue.

There are major problems with some other tracks unable to handle large crowds, pre-sales and distance changes in transferring the meetings.

RQ made the change after widespread criticism about the state of the Eagle Farm track after Saturday's Kingsford Smith Cup program.

"The decision, in light of the track performance at Eagle Farm ... was made in order to present the best possible surface for Group 1 racing," an RQ statement said.

"RQ has consulted widely with industry associations and gained feedback from a wide selection of members including the nation's leading participants."

RQ said the consensus was that the track was safe but inferior.

After a phone hook-up between directors which lasted several hours on Sunday night the Brisbane Race Club decided to hold firm.

BRC spokesman Michael Crutcher said the club did not agree with moving the meeting and the track was safe for racing.

He said the racing minister had agreed to attend a meeting on Monday and it was hoped RQ would also attend.

"The BRC was surprised by RQ's decision. After Saturday's meeting RQ stated the rest of the carnival would be at Eagle Farm" he said.

Crutcher said RQ had not provided further information, most importantly about a new venue.

"Evergreen who took over maintenance of the track in March have assured us it is safe to race," he said.

Crutcher said betting on the Kingsford Smith Cup meeting had been favourable and maintenance was continuing at Eagle Farm.

ENDS

Who will win this tug of war RQ or BRC......where will they race is the issue...... BRC loses revenue if races at EF are cancelled RQ has overall responsibility so their view should prevail and races transferred to Doomben would be my guess.........RQ should have consulted BRC before announcing the change on Sunday.


Giddy Up :beer:

Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: ianb on 2017-May-29, 10:08 AM
To my way of thinking -there were 2 horses on Saturday, who had not been to Eagle Farm before, who had standout heavy track form for their races.

Those 2 horses were Burning Passion who won the first race and Jungle Edge who ran 2nd in the Group 1 race. I believe Jungle Edge was only beaten because of the length of the straight at Eagle Farm.

Although the track is not the way it should be it did seem to run true to a very heavy track.

God we have just spend most of the Autumn betting on wet tracks in Sydney so what is the problem with adjusting the form for a wet track in Brisbane.

Having said that, I guess after yesterday's premature announcement from RQ, Doomben should have the Oaks meeting but there is no way the Stradbroke should be moved from Eagle Farm


Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: fours on 2017-May-29, 10:18 AM
Hmmmm,

Perhaps they should rename Evergreen ..... Everheavy..

Safe ..... ??     I think I'd be tailed off 80 lengths too having copped 2 black eyes from giant clods in the face during running?

Fours
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: pegasyber on 2017-May-29, 10:27 AM
  *  The Signature race of the meeting a Group 1  Event was Eagle Farm Race  7.  *

Quote
VF150417 EF72705F * RACE NAME ID* [ EF72705F  2017. KINGSFORD-SMITH CUP. GROUP 1  HEAVY ( 8 ) ,,,,,,,,,,, 1300 mtrs]. COMPRUN 05-29-2017. AT 10:06:24 RESULT  [     6  8  5  14   ~   1   11   ]

VF150417 EF72705F * LOW LRAC WDIV [  6 1  10  12 ] [  6 CLEARLY IN  .  ]. [ 1 BLACK HEAR  .  ]. [ 10 HOPFGARTEN  .  ]. [ 12 TYCOON TAR  .  ]. [ 8 JUNGLE EDG  .  ]. [ ] F4 & 5LOW WDIV E/W BET *

VF150417 EF72705F * WMSPD ORD TNO [     7     10      1      6     11      5     12      2      3      9      8      4     14     ]  * ] BMVRS/W [  1 BLACK HEART   6yo < . . Dtl= 7 ] 11 DERRYN W% 25  3yo <. Dtl= 14 ] ]*SPL*
VF150417 EF72705F * WMSPD RTG ORD [  998   997   958   949   890   889   888   879   847   841   812   789   755   ] IMPORTANT
VF150417 EF72705F * RQOD WMSPD RO [  5.1   5.1   6.8   7.9   19.8   20.3   20.7   25.1   51.9   59.3   111.3   166.5   ] IN WMSPD ORDER. $PRICE/1 CALCULATED RQD ODDS ON WT MODIFIED SPEED RATINGS *

VF150417 EF72705F * GW$CLASS$ ORD [  11    14    3    5    1    2    9    4    12    6    10    7    8   ].  14 IMPEND 49d  100m  .5k  3y]  [ 3 JAPONI 14d  100m  .5k  4y]  [ 4 MUSIC  14d  100m  .5k  5y]  [ 11 DERRYN 14d  100m  0k  3y.

VF150417 EF72705F * TOP 2X8 LINES [ 1  7  10 6 11 14  8  5 * ESP @ 1300m. ]. CHK TOP8 LOW P/Div. DUPLS F4 MUSTS. EF7 [*QNLA*  1  7  ]$6. +BMF/Ps TRIFs  F4's DBL TRIOs.

VF150417 EF72705F * KEY SPEED NOS [   1  +!. +TJ!.  =*NK*.  6  +!. +TJ!.  5  +GW!. +TJ!.  7   10  +!. +TJ!.  11  +GW!. +TJ!.  .]>1.  8  +!.  12  +!. +TJ!. ] +! = LRWD]. *HiWM>GW$C [ < 14+GW!.  3y <. < 3+TJ!. +GW!.  4y< ]. *N1/2W<<SP= 11  14  << 5  <<=BDUPL. *BP%P*= 1<: ]. <<] S/WDual IS [ 1 ] * ]CKCNT. *

VF150417 EF72705F * TOP5 RNK MVRS [  14 IMPENDING  C=19 3yo  ]  8 JUNGLE EDG C=17 6yo  ]  5 COUNTERATT C=11 4yo  ] 3 JAPONISME  C=10 4yo  ]  4 MUSIC MAGN C=8 5yo  ]  * T5TTLMVS[  14 8 5 3 4 A S/A F4$. CHK $T/J]*  SPCL MOVE TOTS FOR F4'S AT LEAST RESIDS. ** [  3  5  8  ] **  MUST CONSIDER IN NSW N VIC TAB FIRST FOURS

 F4 selection Section removed as it was not  quite correct in that it only had three of the First Four placings in the top 7 selections shown in The Key Speed Nos Line, but the result was safe, fair and honest, as   @sum(  +6 +8 +5 +14 ) =??. 
 
   
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: gunbower on 2017-May-29, 10:59 AM
Ten days of clear skies  with 25 degree plus temperatures and Eagle Farm is a heavy 8  . What happens if it rains? And yes of course there were winners to be found on Saturday. Even if a race takes 15 minutes there will be a winner ; computer programmes or not.
Can't believe someone suggested that because we had wet tracks in Sydney in the Autumn it was okay to have wet tracks in Brisbane. Seriously it rained incessantly in Sydney but that is hardly a justification to produce a sub standard facility in Brisbane. The bigger issue for the Government will be the  shocking waste of public funds to create such a fiasco.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: ianb on 2017-May-29, 11:41 AM
Yes sure it rained in Sydney, as it has always done  in the Autumn from when I first started following races in the 1960s, and yes it hasn't rained in Brisbane.

The fact remains that the track is heavy and obviously there is incompetence involved in the production of the track but it is a heavy track and that's what you bet to.

I'm sure Brian Smith and the owners of Order Again don't want the Derby at Doomben.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: mortdale on 2017-May-29, 12:50 PM
The Queensland Racing Industry is suffering due to too many people with zero knowledge of horticulture getting involved in areas that they should have butted out.

The BRC debate and authority over the type of soil and sand to be used should not have been left to "know it all's" with zero knowledge.

The first thing all qualified horticulturists and greenkeepers will tell you is that drainage is the key to all grass surfaces. The quality of the soil and sand is paramount to root growth and binding power of the root system.

So what do the brains at the BRC do?

They think by saving $8 a tonne by buying crap sand with basically no drainage ability was a smart move.

Then the fertiliser being used promotes leaf growth but does basically nothing for root growth.

Well congratulation to the BRC for the biggest fiasco seen in QLD Racing for the last 40 years.

Hang your heads in shame but better still resign and stick to areas that you might know something about.

If you were employed in any other industry you would all be sacked and moved on.

 :rant: :mad: :rant:

 
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-May-29, 01:52 PM
Ten days of clear skies  with 25 degree plus temperatures and Eagle Farm is a heavy 8  . What happens if it rains? And yes of course there were winners to be found on Saturday. Even if a race takes 15 minutes there will be a winner ; computer programmes or not.
Can't believe someone suggested that because we had wet tracks in Sydney in the Autumn it was okay to have wet tracks in Brisbane. Seriously it rained incessantly in Sydney but that is hardly a justification to produce a sub standard facility in Brisbane. The bigger issue for the Government will be the  shocking waste of public funds to create such a fiasco.

Exactly. Comparisons to Sydney in the Autumn totally inappropriate in light of this discussion.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-May-29, 02:00 PM
The Queensland Racing Industry is suffering due to too many people with zero knowledge of horticulture getting involved in areas that they should have butted out.


Morts. This part.

Is happening all over the place - not just racing in Queensland.

People have worked out that if you empower yourself you can get more money.

Empowering yourself in an area where you have little knowledge is OK to these people. They just get other people to do the complex operational stuff while they rattle on about "glass ceilings" or "assisting indigenous communities" or some other non-related politically correct subject that no-one dares to call out.

At the end of the day you get something like is happening in Queensland racing. These people get paid heaps. The ones who have been there for years and have the operational experience and should be looked after - they leave in disgust. And the empowered ones never, ever face any accountability. They are very careful to step around anything that may show they are "emperors without clothes".

It is happening everywhere, and in both private and public sectors. Australia is heading down the path of some politically correct banana republic.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-May-29, 03:34 PM
The Queensland Oaks meeting has been transferred from the much-maligned Eagle Farm track to Doomben.

Racing Queensland is also expected to confirm the Group One Stradbroke Handicap meeting on June 10 will be transferred to Doomben but it will first have to be cleared legally by the RQ board.

RQ officials met with Brisbane Race Club representatives for an hour on Monday morning to discuss the changes.

Racing Minister Grace Grace was to attend the meeting but was called to cabinet at the last minute.  :lol:

Following the meeting, the BRC was issued with two legal control body instructions – the first not to race at Eagle Farm on Saturday and the second to race at Doomben.


Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: sobig on 2017-May-29, 06:40 PM
Confirmed this afternoon that Stradbroke Day will also be at Doomben.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-May-29, 06:43 PM


Following the meeting, the BRC was issued with two legal control body instructions – the first not to race at Eagle Farm on Saturday and the second to race at Doomben.




What does that bit mean? It is some form of newly invented media speak to replace the term legal threat?

The "empowered ones" will win this one. They have set it up so they always do. And they will take no blame if something happens  :nowink:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-May-30, 08:05 PM
https://www.racing.com/news/2017-05-29/heathcote-fears-for-doomben-surface

Not everyone is happy with the switch Mr Bell the trainer of Jungle Edge thinks "the whingers" get listened to.

LGHR thinks heads should roll Whimpey and Forbes . :o


You would have to think the blame game is likely to result in EVERGREEN being sued .

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/


Giddy Up :beer:
 
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Jeunes on 2017-Jun-01, 08:11 PM
I think the bigger problem in Racing in general is the lack of hard questions other than usually on social media or forums like this.

Look at the controversies in other sports which received coverage by sports journalists i.e. supplements saga, refereeing controversies, salary cap rorts, salary cap movements, ACA and CA stoush etc.

We have a situation where the BRC spent millions on upgrading the track and it has clearly failed. How can you have no rain for more than a week and still be rated as heavy. You have horses failing and trainers / jockeys etc complaining about the track.

But where are the hard questions in the racing media regarding this and should the powers to be sacked etc. BRC seem to spousing track is safe line in the media and no-one asking if track is suitable for racing or why are there so many tailed off horses or how can the track be heavy without the rain or why are trainers / jockeys criticising the track etc.

Are the racing media in Qld afraid of losing their freebies etc?
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: arthur on 2017-Jun-01, 08:47 PM
Plenty of 'hard (well interesting anyway) questions' that could be asked . .

I would like to know why failures like the cushion tracks were replicated . .

And successes like the Strathayrs were not . . ??




It's only money . .

Somebody else's usually  :whistle:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: johnojohnson on 2017-Jun-02, 10:45 AM
Cheapest quote=cheapest outcome.............Now it all has to be replaced in it entirety....its clear the drainage is not working!


The government need to step in and contract STRATH who would no doubt be "smiling"

The government should instigate immediate legal action over the "builders" dodgy product and dangle the carrot of past/current/future industry losses to the entire industry including goodwill

This will result in EVERGREEN rolling in insolvency when faced with the reputed 10 million bill and the government underwritten scheme kicks......PRETTY SIMPLE REALLY AINT IT!
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Jun-02, 11:15 AM
It's time that the Government started asking Mr Bell and his committee some direct questions.

1. Who agreed to saving $8 a tonne on the sand?

The original sand quoted was what most Golf Courses and successfully upgraded racetracks had used in the past. It has excellent drainage ability.

2. Who agreed to the constant use of the Chook Poo fertiliser that mainly promotes leaf growth and does very little for root binding in the early development of the turf? Also you must water extensively if you use Chook Poo fertiliser to prevent the burning of the grass from the high nitrogen in the fertiliser.

So here is the issue in a nutshell.

Buying crap sand and then using crap fertiliser with extensive watering has resulted in a disaster for the QLD Racing Industry.

Who researched EVERGREEN and their method of operation throughout the upgrade?

Did Whimpey and Bell just bury their heads in the crap sand as well?

Surely the Government has to remove Whimpey and Bell along with anyone on the BRC Committee that had input to this disaster.

But I highly doubt that Ms Grace has the desire to upset her mates.

 :rant: :mad: :rant:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Jun-02, 12:07 PM
using crap fertiliser


 :chin: :chin:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Jun-02, 12:18 PM
Hi JWH,

I know that in most cases fertiliser is in fact crap. But the fertiliser used was REAL CRAP.

I see your humour in my comment, well done.

But really, how sad is this mess?

Have a good weekend and back a few winners.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Devil on 2017-Jun-02, 02:17 PM
A lot of people are saying sack the BRC board but are there any decent people around to take their place?
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jun-02, 06:00 PM
None of like to say I told you so but I told you so, no one was interested instead it was head in the sand stuff. Note the dates  :whistle:

I think your pocket is irrelevant to how the track raced Spudda.

It's had a full growing season to mature & this is only the 2nd outing on the course yet they where hitting the outside fence.

Let's be real they are growing Kikuyu in sand, in Brisbane ..... it's hardly the most challenging environment   :whistle: They have obviously had problems - which can happen  :/ but trying to defend it is laughable.

Better to admit the issues, come up with a solution and move on ......

btw - I stuck with Miss Covergirl so I'm happy, just not in denial.

This is the problem I have.

There seems to be this 'Sargent Schultz' mentality in Qld where they keep saying how great it is maybe people will believe them? I don't really have a problem with how the track raced, it is what it is, they should just set about trying to get it right moving forward.

Months ago alarms were going off with me due to a few happenings but all we heard was how great it would be instead of telling it like it is and moving on.

Instead we've had 12 months to compound the problems  :wacko:

From an outsider looking in I doubt they need to start afresh, get the 'Topmaker' in and remove the black pudgy layer that is the root of all the problem. Then bring in enough soil required to blend with the existing profile and laser to the desired levels, returf - done.

There are only a few products on the market that you could use to amend the profile without affecting your infiltration & percolation rates ..... trust me, chicken manure fines are not one of those  :shutup:

Without knowing or seeing the sand specs Morts it's really hard to know but honestly for a racetrack I doubt even if it locked down affecting the infiltration rate on the surface, regular Verti-draining (common practice) would negate this. It's not like it's a golf green cut at 3mm where ball roll / surface quality are paramount.

I'd be very surprised if the thing wasn't constructed properly but it's what's been put in place during the grow in and subsequent racing year that has caused the problems.  :chin:

Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Jun-02, 06:16 PM
Gin
For layperson, what does that last sentence mean?
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Jun-02, 10:33 PM
A lot of people are saying sack the BRC board but are there any decent people around to take their place?

Devil, you might be right to ask are there any decent people around to take their place?

But in any industry where you are handed $50 million dollars to upgrade your facilities of which a reported $10 millions dollars was spent on your track upgrade and completely failed, I ask would you still have a job?

I don't think so.

Total mismanagement by the BRC Board and their CEO.

THEY HAVE TO GO.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: westie on 2017-Jun-03, 12:54 AM
 I haven't followed this thread to closely however it has been an interesting read; lots of Qld members here [even if they don't post] would be great to hear  their opinion on the EF  track.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: johnojohnson on 2017-Jun-03, 06:38 AM
According to Mr Bell it is all RQ's problem as they only had a single person on the advisory/implementation panel

Mr Bell refutes substandard "soil" being used........................................my deepthroat says =lie

Evergreen "strongly advised" they maintain the track but "someone" said they couldn't afford

Deepthroat also says the warranty Mr Bell speaks about in his "tines" to members apparently held by RQ against EVERGREEN was made null and void in formal correspondence to BRC by EVERGREEN over the 2 track spoilers above and below

1-rubbish soil(saving 700k)
2-cancelling maintenance(700k)


Let ol Johnno know when the threats of legal action from any parties arise but so far the silence has been deafening

Maybe the QRIC eagles can hot air balloon in whilst navigating their drones and look for the emerging cash tunnel/funnel that's about to open and no not the one at the their plush offices/takeoff pad that's costing the industry 400k per week

Maybe a launching pad/new office space can be found with a phone answerer in the lovely Doomed-den precinct saving them fuel for their surveillance ops and giving their drone operatives the ability to spot not only trainer/riders/rain dividers but dodgy soil shipments and missing maintenance operatives when this slow-burning disaster self combusts just like any cred they that they may have or get

Suck it up stakeholders ol Queensland and the Labor lords cant even get a train to the stations......lolololollolololololol......The latest congo line of Labor sucks involved in this fiasco.....BUCK-SHOTT BILLY BRYNE(ROCKYS FINEST LIKE OL HAMMERHEAD).GRACEY GRACEY(ENOUGH SAID),PREMIER JACKIE TRAD(SORRY BOUT THE TRAINS BUT WE MUST FIX DEM LINES-LOL-IDIOT) and the SEAN SPICER of queensland labor in the REAL PREMIERS(JACKIE TRAD) spokesthing in ANNA THE BIG PEE.........

PRICELESS
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Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: pegasyber on 2017-Jun-03, 07:39 AM
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Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jun-03, 10:58 AM

Evergreen "strongly advised" they maintain the track but "someone" said they couldn't afford


  :lol:  :shutup:

They supplied the 12 month grow in program ...... and just where are we now?  :chin:

Talk about the proverbial fox in the hen house.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-Jun-04, 06:11 PM
Important Information about the Eagle Farm Track
Saturday, 03 June 2017

Thank you to the Members who have contacted the BRC this week for information on the Eagle Farm course proper. It’s been a challenging time for all who love Eagle Farm – a track that has hosted the likes of Tulloch, Kingston Town, Strawberry Road and Rough Habit. However, we must accept Racing Queensland’s decision to move the remainder of the Brisbane Racing Carnival to Doomben. In response to some queries from Members this week, here is a summary of the key questions around the Eagle Farm track redevelopment.

Why is Eagle Farm not suitable for racing?
The Eagle Farm track is safe for racing but we note industry feedback that the track is not performing as it should for an event as prestigious as the Brisbane Racing Carnival. The track has been built with kikuyu grass and a sand profile that requires frequent watering to keep it firm. That’s complemented by a drainage system that is designed to enable frequent watering while presenting a good racing surface. However, the turf has been affected by a thatch problem. The thatch is a layer of thick organic matter that retains moisture and prevents it from getting into the sand profile. That means the Eagle Farm track retains moisture in the top 100mm layer and races as a heavy track even without rain. For example, in the last 14 days prior to the Kingsford Smith Cup meeting we added no irrigation and had only 23mm of rain eight days before.

Is this the wrong track for Eagle Farm?
Racing Queensland and the BRC board are working closely on that question. We’ll know more as we seek guidance from experts around the country in the next week or so. Racing Queensland is the principal who contracted with track builder Evergreen for the redevelopment. In August 2014, the then Racing Queensland administration closed Eagle Farm for a major track redevelopment that was expected to be ready for the 2015 Brisbane Racing Carnival. Racing Queensland funded the redevelopment and, as project manager, oversaw the design and building of the track and the subsequent handover to the BRC. Due to funding delays, the tender for the redevelopment was not awarded until two months after racing ended at Eagle Farm.

Why has this not worked out given that the Eagle Farm track took almost two years to build?
The closure was not about giving the track time to bed down – it was caused by funding delays that meant Racing Queensland could not proceed as planned. The course proper was to be redeveloped at the same time two tunnels were built beneath the track. When the funding for both projects could not be secured by Racing Queensland as planned, it was decided to begin work on 80 per cent of the course proper leaving the areas required for tunnel construction for a later date. This meant that the track could not re-open for the 2015 Brisbane Racing Carnival. It re-opened one year later.

At about the same time, the original scope for the track was trimmed from $12.7 million to meet the available funding of $10 million. To meet this reduction, Racing Queensland’s changes included the narrowing of the course proper from a width of 40m to 28m, the sprigging of turf instead of laying turf and the reduction of a maintenance period with the track builder, Evergreen, from 12 months to three months. These would have been difficult decisions at the time.
While establishing the track by sprigging/stolonizing was cost-effective, it had never been done on a major Australian track. This meant that Evergreen’s three-month maintenance period expired before racing resumed. Contractors would normally maintain a track project such as this for between one and two years.
The BRC was handed the track by Racing Queensland nine days before the return to racing at the Oaks meeting in 2016. That meeting was cancelled due to an extreme weather event. The BRC understands Racing Queensland accepted the practical completion of the track by Evergreen just prior to the handover to the Club. At the time, the BRC voiced its concerns with Racing Queensland that the track had not been tested under race conditions.

Were sub-standard materials used in the construction of the track?
Racing Queensland is the principal under the contract. Factors such as the cost, type of grass and profile were determined by a Tender Evaluation Panel run by Racing Queensland. The BRC had one position on that panel. The BRC has seen no evidence of sub-standard materials having been used in building the new track. The concern has been more about the thatch issue. There is a growing school of thought that sand-profile tracks with kikuyu grass are more susceptible to thatch build-up.

The track was racing well late in 2016. What’s happened since then?
After the BRC was handed the track by Racing Queensland, Evergreen carried out a monthly track report which was sent to Racing Queensland and copied to the BRC. With the valuable knowledge accumulated over recent months, the BRC might have done some things differently in order to prevent the build-up of the thatch layer. We have learned that the maintenance of sand profile tracks is not an exact science. Track performance is affected by seasonal conditions and location. We clearly would not have planned carnival meetings for Eagle Farm had we thought there was a risk that the track would not be ready or safe.

Why did the BRC give Evergreen a three-month maintenance contract in March?
The track raced poorly at a midweek meeting on March 13 – its third race meeting in nine days. Two days later, the BRC convened a meeting of 20 stakeholders including Evergreen, Racing Queensland, turf experts, trainers and jockeys. The intent was to ensure that the Brisbane Racing Carnival could be held as planned on an acceptable racing surface. Two days after the meeting, Evergreen was contracted by the BRC to maintain the track for three months, including the Brisbane Racing Carnival. Since then, Evergreen, Racing Queensland and the BRC have met on a weekly basis to discuss the track’s progress against set benchmarks. The BRC was advised that the track was improving gradually and would be ready for the three Group 1 racedays. The track was and is safe but, as we saw last Saturday, it was not up to a standard acceptable to all in the industry. The consensus is that despite the exhaustive work, the thatch problem remains.

Is there any possibility of legal action over the track redevelopment?
The BRC was not a signatory to the original contract for the track redevelopment. Racing Queensland is the principal and, therefore, will have to decide on any redress for the track issues. Racing Queensland holds an extended warranty over the track.

What happens next?
Racing Queensland and the BRC have met several times this week to chart a way forward. We appreciate Racing Queensland’s eagerness to work with us on this project. Eagle Farm is Queensland racing’s No.1 asset. The track is the most popular for Queensland wagering turnover – the lifeblood of the industry. The BRC has already called on track experts from around the country to provide input into the Eagle Farm racing surface and next steps. These include Evergreen, which has put forward a plan for an improved racing surface.

Eagle Farm will not race again until the track is improved. However, trackwork continues six days a week for more than 500 horses. The length of the closure for racing will be determined by the solution to the track’s problems. There is no suggestion that Eagle Farm will be shut down again for more than a year but the exact length of time depends on the solution.

What are the consequences for the BRC and its Members of the shift to Doomben for the Oaks and Stradbroke meetings?
BRC staff have been working tirelessly to ensure that the Doomben track and facilities will be of its usual high standards. We are pleased to report that our corporate sponsors have remained with us in the shift to Doomben. Obviously, there are reduced options for functions, when compared with Eagle Farm. Members can be assured that there will be no change in space allocation for Members and their guests. Additional security will be employed to control access to the Members’ Reserve.

The BRC appreciates all feedback. We are as passionate about racing as you and share the frustration of being unable to race at Queensland’s premier track. Our commitment to the sustainability of the southeast Queensland racing industry is now on show inside Eagle Farm – the outstanding new stabling complex has been fully funded by the BRC. Visiting trainers, including Peter Snowden, have joined the likes of Rob Heathcote and Tony Gollan in praising the new facilities.
We will get this track right so that Eagle Farm can again be regarded as one of Australia’s most outstanding racing precincts.
Yours sincerely
Neville Bell
Chairman

http://www.brc.com.au/brc/important-information-eagle-farm-track/

This is a detailed explanation of the rebuild of Eagle Farm who did what and what happened ...cost cutting would be a factor the course proper reduced from 40m to 28m sprigging instead of laying turf and the contract is between RQ and Evergreen the BRC is the ham in the sandwich...legal action bound to be seriously considered IMO.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jun-04, 06:32 PM
Excellent release by the BRC  that answers a lot of questions that were subject to speculation. It goes a long way to restoring confidence and morale. Hopefully things will move forward from here   emthup
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jun-04, 08:08 PM
Yes and no, IMHO PP

This bit is basically true

The track has been built with kikuyu grass and a sand profile that requires frequent watering to keep it firm. That’s complemented by a drainage system that is designed to enable frequent watering while presenting a good racing surface. However, the turf has been affected by a thatch problem. The thatch is a layer of thick organic matter that retains moisture and prevents it from getting into the sand profile. That means the Eagle Farm track retains moisture in the top 100mm layer and races as a heavy track even without rain.

The highlighted part is alluding to this being part of the problem. Sprigging is a widely accepted practice which certainly has cost benefits as you use around 10 to 15% of the turf you would use if you solid turf. On the flip side your establishment period is longer at around 12 weeks. It certainly would not add to any thatch problem.



At about the same time, the original scope for the track was trimmed from $12.7 million to meet the available funding of $10 million. To meet this reduction, Racing Queensland’s changes included the narrowing of the course proper from a width of 40m to 28m, the sprigging of turf instead of laying turf and the reduction of a maintenance period with the track builder, Evergreen, from 12 months to three months. These would have been difficult decisions at the time.


While establishing the track by sprigging/stolonizing was cost-effective, it had never been done on a major Australian track.


These next two are totally at odds with each other

After the BRC was handed the track by Racing Queensland, Evergreen carried out a monthly track report which was sent to Racing Queensland and copied to the BRC. With the valuable knowledge accumulated over recent months, the BRC might have done some things differently in order to prevent the build-up of the thatch layer.


Why did the BRC give Evergreen a three-month maintenance contract in March?
The track raced poorly at a midweek meeting on March 13 – its third race meeting in nine days. Two days later, the BRC convened a meeting of 20 stakeholders including Evergreen, Racing Queensland, turf experts, trainers and jockeys. The intent was to ensure that the Brisbane Racing Carnival could be held as planned on an acceptable racing surface. Two days after the meeting, Evergreen was contracted by the BRC to maintain the track for three months, including the Brisbane Racing Carnival. Since then, Evergreen, Racing Queensland and the BRC have met on a weekly basis to discuss the track’s progress against set benchmarks. The BRC was advised that the track was improving gradually


On one hand they acknowledge that they would do things differently but then turn around and give Evergreen a maintenance contract.  :wacko:

The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different outcome  :bash:

The million dollar question left unanswered is -

What have they been doing to rectify the thatch problem (and what caused it?  :whistle: ) and what will they be doing to fix the problem.



If I was a BRC member, that's what I'd want to know.  :yes:




Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-Jun-05, 09:06 AM
Racing officials get heads out of the sand to fix track fiasco

NATHAN EXELBY
 
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SHAMBLES: BRC chairman Neville Bell at Eagle Farm, which has been closed indefinitely due to track issues. Pictu Tara Croser


SPECULATION continues on what direction Racing Queensland and the Brisbane Racing Club will take on the future of Eagle Farm, but the odds of it remaining a 100 per cent sand track are lengthening.

If the same profile were to be retained, that would result in the quickest return to racing, with the track cut right back and the thatch later removed. Constructors Evergreen have outlined a plan to do that in two goes, using the 28m width of the track to continue racing.

But as BRC chairman Neville Bell outlined on Friday, there are reservations about sand tracks, given recent events. The more likely outcome would see a substance like loam mixed in with the sand to provide a more rigid profile before new grass is planted.

A leading southern track manager said last week under that scenario, a likely return to racing would be in February if work started now.

Giddy Up :beer:

Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jun-05, 04:02 PM
Racing officials get heads out of the sand to fix track fiasco


But as BRC chairman Neville Bell outlined on Friday, there are reservations about sand tracks, given recent events. The more likely outcome would see a substance like loam mixed in with the sand to provide a more rigid profile before new grass is planted.





Let's be fair dinkum, it's about the management of said sand track, not sand tracks in general.  :bulb:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: sobig on 2017-Jun-05, 04:56 PM
Press release from Racing Queensland

Racing Queensland (RQ), acting on a direction from Minister for Racing Grace Grace, has engaged one of Australia’s most experienced racing administrators to conduct an independent review of the Eagle Farm track.

 

RQ will utilise the expertise of former Victoria Racing Club CEO and current Harness Racing Victoria chair Dale Monteith to ensure best practice strategies are employed moving forward.

 

Ms Grace has written to RQ and directed the Board to take all necessary steps to ensure the Eagle Farm track is rectified and made fit for purpose as an immediate priority.

 

The decision reinforces RQ’s commitment to maintaining the long-term performance of Queensland’s premier racing surface, with the appointment made following consultation with the Brisbane Racing Club (BRC).

 

The scope of the review will be to consider the construction and preparation of the track, with a very clear focus on identifying the best remediation strategies for the racing surface.

 

Mr Monteith, who has 37 years of experience in the racing industry, oversaw the re-design and construction of both the Flemington and Caulfield tracks with the VRC and Melbourne Racing Club, and will provide an objective report into the design, construction and maintenance of the Eagle Farm track.

 

As well as having extensive experience in racing administration, Mr Monteith also chaired the Tasmanian Racing Industry Review Working Group (2014), reviewed racing in the Northern Territory (2014), and conducted an audit of HRV in 2015.

 

RQ CEO Dr Eliot Forbes said he looked forward to Mr Monteith’s findings, and working cooperatively with the BRC to provide outcomes that are in the best interests of the industry as a whole.

 

“Mr Monteith’s independent and objective review will be a crucial step towards identifying strategies to help remediate the Eagle Farm surface,” Dr Forbes said.

 

“RQ is determined to ensure Eagle Farm retains its rightful place as Queensland’s premier track for many years to come.”

 

Mr Monteith said he was honoured to link with RQ and provide his extensive track knowledge.

 

“I enjoyed taking a hands-on approach to the construction at Flemington and Caulfield so the first thing I want to know is the basic design of the track and how it was constructed,” he said.

 

“I will be looking at all independent advice to ensure the best possible outcomes are achieved.”

 

Dr Forbes said: “The timing of any works required will depend upon the remediation processes identified during the independent review
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: gunbower on 2017-Jun-05, 06:02 PM
Another "consultant" , another big fat pay cheque. Is there anyone at RQ who actually knows what they are doing and can justify getting paid each week ? Seems not. Right from the good doctor down.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-Jun-05, 06:15 PM
I suppose the Hon. Grace wanted to be seen doing something ......if this is the best she could come up with .......she needn't have bothered.....there are enough snouts in the trough without bringing  Dale Monteith up to look over the shoulders of those who have some experience in track maintenance .........meanwhile LGHR has revealed more hands being recruited to add to the BRC team....apprentices hired for a three year term.

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/

The advertisement reads (in part):
Description
MEGT specialize in making apprenticeships happen and we are very excited to be working with Queensland's leading metropolitan race club! We are currently seeking five motivated, enthusiastic and hardworking candidates to join their maintenance team. This is an amazing opportunity to work on-site at one of Brisbane's most iconic venues. This is more than just a job - this is an opportunity to earn a trade qualification and gain on-going employment in the sport of kings!
This incredible race club conducts 98 race meets and hosts over 300,000 patrons per year. Races have been held at this site since 1865 and it has seen some of the finest horses and jockeys in history - not to mention a number of celebrities!
The Role
This is an opportunity to join a highly regarded industry as an Apprentice in either Horticulture or Sports Turf Management. You will be working across three sites and responsibilities will include;
•   Maintenance of turf and landscape
•   Establishment and maintenance of gardens
•   Operating plant equipment including mowers, tractors, chainsaws etc
•   Maintenance of horse infrastructure as well as racing infrastructure and barriers
•   Divot replacement
•   Customer interaction with the public on race days
•   Liaising with racing staff and officials
Requirements
We are looking for hardworking, motivated candidates who enjoy working as part of a team. Our ideal candidate is physically fit and will enjoy working outdoors. An interest in horses would be a benefit as would experience working on a farm or doing general grounds maintenance. The successful candidates will show initiative, be mature minded, responsible and is able to follow direction and take on constructive criticism. A positive, can-do attitude is a must. You must be able to work weekends on a rotating roster.
Candidates must have a valid driver’s licence and have the right to work permanently in Australia. You must be able to commit to a three-year apprenticeship and be able to live off apprentice wages.
Benefits
This position will offer the successful candidate the opportunity to gain highly valuable skills and experience, whilst working on-site at a Brisbane landmark. You will be working outside every day, operating a range of plant equipment. You will be given all the on-the-job training you need and you will be enrolled in either a Certificate III in Horticulture or a Certificate III in Sports Turf Management.
This is a full time, paid position and you will get paid on a weekly basis. Your qualification is paid for by the employer and you will also receive regular support and mentoring from an MEGT Field Officer. You will also get the chance to witness historic racing events first hand!
If you are interested in this amazing opportunity, all you need to do is hit 'apply' now and send your resume to MEGT today.

Giddy Up :beer:
 

Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: johnojohnson on 2017-Jun-05, 07:16 PM
And the circus rolls on......all about fixing something that CANNOT be fixed...........


The drainagedoesnt work because of the shortcuts and 2nd grade crap material used.......IS that not abundantly clear after no rain or irrigation for the week before the debacle heavy 9,,,,,,,,.............what can they possibly do to allow watering on a regular basis and put up tracks in the good 3 range consistenly?=NOTHING


Out of action for 8 months with no guarantee of the longterm outcome..........who wants to take the PUNT?

Hot air balloons and flying piglets to the course proper please!


Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: arthur on 2017-Jun-05, 08:26 PM
a Certificate III in Horticulture or a Certificate III in Sports Turf Management.  



Sounds impressive . .

And obviously with regard to the EF fiasco, the country needs more of them . . but



What would such 'tradesmen' have been called in the '50's' . . ??
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: HarmersHaven on 2017-Jun-05, 08:57 PM
a Certificate III in Horticulture or a Certificate III in Sports Turf Management.  



Sounds impressive . .

And obviously with regard to the EF fiasco, the country needs more of them . . but



What would such 'tradesmen' have been called in the '50's' . . ??


I can't speak to the 50s; but fairly certain it would equate to 'greenskeeper' or 'groundsmen' of the 70s/80s/90s
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: pegasyber on 2017-Jun-06, 07:46 AM
  Groundsmen, Would now have to become "Certificated Groundsperson". Just hope their training would give them a complete grounding in the Technical design of Drainage Systems, which have to be thoroughly checked and tested well before they are buried.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: arthur on 2017-Jun-06, 11:59 AM
Guess the 'old' "Course Ranger" would have to complete a university degree nowadays  :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Jun-06, 02:23 PM
Arthur

You even can't bum durries at the railway station without at least a TAFE diploma.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jun-06, 02:49 PM
a Certificate III in Horticulture or a Certificate III in Sports Turf Management.  



Sounds impressive . .

And obviously with regard to the EF fiasco, the country needs more of them . . but



What would such 'tradesmen' have been called in the '50's' . . ??

Greenkeeper.


I can't speak to the 50s; but fairly certain it would equate to 'greenskeeper' or 'groundsmen' of the 70s/80s/90s

Groundsman is a term used for those working on a course or racetrack etc that doesn't hold the recognized qualifications.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jun-06, 02:58 PM
And the circus rolls on......all about fixing something that CANNOT be fixed...........


The drainagedoesnt work because of the shortcuts and 2nd grade crap material used.......IS that not abundantly clear after no rain or irrigation for the week before the debacle heavy 9,,,,,,,,.............what can they possibly do to allow watering on a regular basis and put up tracks in the good 3 range consistenly?=NOTHING


Out of action for 8 months with no guarantee of the longterm outcome..........who wants to take the PUNT?

Hot air balloons and flying piglets to the course proper please!





I gave you the answer back here JJ to solving it, I even alluded to what was the cause of the problem!  :whistle:



From an outsider looking in I doubt they need to start afresh, get the 'Topmaker' in and remove the black pudgy layer that is the root of all the problem. Then bring in enough soil required to blend with the existing profile and laser to the desired levels, returf - done.

There are only a few products on the market that you could use to amend the profile without affecting your infiltration & percolation rates ..... trust me, chicken manure fines are not one of those  :shutup:

Without knowing or seeing the sand specs Morts it's really hard to know but honestly for a racetrack I doubt even if it locked down affecting the infiltration rate on the surface, regular Verti-draining (common practice) would negate this. It's not like it's a golf green cut at 3mm where ball roll / surface quality are paramount.

I'd be very surprised if the thing wasn't constructed properly but it's what's been put in place during the grow in and subsequent racing year that has caused the problems.  :chin:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: arthur on 2017-Jun-06, 08:29 PM
OK . . Now that we know what they do . .

Let's look at their employment conditions . .

You will also get the chance to witness historic racing events first hand!

In plain English, I think that this means that if you work on a Saturday or a Wednesday you are allowed to watch the local races . .



The bloke that wrote the job ad. obviously has a Certificate 111 in BullShit  :clap2:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jun-06, 08:32 PM
a Certificate III in Horticulture or a Certificate III in Sports Turf Management.  



Sounds impressive . .

And obviously with regard to the EF fiasco, the country needs more of them . . but

What would such 'tradesmen' have been called in the '50's' . . ??

  :lol:

Geez you make me laugh sometimes Arthur.

Whole thing needs more humour   emthup
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: arthur on 2017-Jun-06, 08:45 PM
Pleased I can make others laugh . .

I cry myself to sleep most nights  :sad:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2017-Jun-06, 09:26 PM


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Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Jun-06, 09:48 PM
OK . . Now that we know what they do . .

Let's look at their employment conditions . .

You will also get the chance to witness historic racing events first hand!

In plain English, I think that this means that if you work on a Saturday or a Wednesday you are allowed to watch the local races . .



The bloke that wrote the job ad. obviously has a Certificate 111 in BullShit  :clap2:

Maybe that's a nice way of saying you'll have to work on racedays putting back the divots or on the barriers  :/
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: arthur on 2017-Jun-06, 10:10 PM
Well . .

We are all witnessing historic events . .

BUT . . 'first-hand' . . That's something else again  :confused1:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: grosvenor on 2017-Jun-07, 05:22 PM
That is some goood stuff fellas - over what is an incredibly bad situation .

Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-Jun-09, 09:27 PM
Bruce Clark formerly a Brisbane scribbler with the local bugle before departing for Melbourne some years ago still  has some home town connections enabling him to draw together bits and pieces of previously known facts supplemented by some more recent revelations involving criminal charges and hitherto undisclosed information of sub contractors being duded in the reconstruction of Eagle Farm. :o.

Farming out the problems with the Stradbroke track….By Bruce Clark

Kickback from the Eagle Farm track.

It’s Queensland’s iconic race – The Stradbroke Handicap, first run 1890, the only changes in its history, firstly being it was originally six furlongs until it went to seven (1400m) in 1953.

Of course when Eagle Farm was undergoing a $10m being rebuild, Srikandi won it at Doomben over its 1350m two years ago allowing the race to return to “headquarters” with Under The Louvre winning on the new track with the promise it would be much better in 12 months’ time.

That’s this weekend, it’s not, and in a poorly handed exercise on so many fronts, the Straddie is back at Doomben. And that doesn’t just seem right. Except if you are Chief De Beers and wishing you were 20 years younger.

That rebuild has spectacularly failed and no amount of cover-up, duck-shoving or proverbial head in the sand was going to do it, especially after Brisbane Racing Club officials stood firm (on a heavy track after no rain) just two weeks ago saying the surface was safe when all feedback was it was substandard and an embarrassment.

And why the surprise? Leading trainers Chris Munce and Tony Gollan as far back as April 26 trials had flagged serious concerns, Munce saying the horses had “no footing underneath’’, Gollan said the track required “If not a full rip-up … massive remedial work.”

Leading jockeys like Kerrin McEvoy said they hadn’t ridden on a worse track when they got there for the Kingsford-Smith Cup meeting.

So amidst much drama and finger pointing it took the Racing Minister Grace Grace to write to Racing Queensland to light the bunsen burner of common sense and leadership and get something done about this debacle.

With that, Eagle Farm is closed for racing as long term racing administrator (and current Harness Racing Victoria chair) Dale Monteith leads the inquiry “to provide outcomes that are in the best interests of the industry as a whole”, Racing Queensland CEO Dr Eliot Forbes said.

“Mr Monteith’s independent and objective review will be a crucial step towards identifying strategies to help remediate the Eagle Farm surface. RQ is determined to ensure Eagle Farm retains its rightful place as Queensland’s premier track for many years to come.”

Perhaps a place to start for Monteith would be following proceedings in the Brisbane Magistrates Court later this month involving RQ employee Bill Shuck and a contractor Wayne Solomon (known as Innes) alleging they misused information and rorted tendering systems between January 2014 and November 2015 to gain a financial benefit for Innes.

Shuck, 52, a former Racing Queensland procurement officer, and of course whose father Alan presided over the Eagle Farm track for decades, appeared in the Brisbane Magistrates Court on Wednesday, charged with five counts of misconduct in public office and five of fraud after a Queensland Police investigation Operation Yardage.

Shuck is alleged to have provided Solomon (Innes) with a competitor’s quote, and Solomon (Innes) is accused of forging quotes.

Solomon (Innes), 57, also appeared in court on Wednesday on similar charges, as well as an additional six counts of forgery and uttering. When the charges were laid it was alleged the quotations were sent to Shuck for processing.

Court documents show the matters related to upgrades of the Gympie racetrack as well as the major Eagle Farm project.

Evergreen Turf won the tender to rebuild Eagle Farm back in 2014, the track’s first upgrade in 149 years of racing.

This was to oversee:
•91,000m2 of grass to be stripped
•91,000m2 of kikuyu turf to be laid in its place
•65,000m2 of course proper
•25,000m3 of sand to be imported
•19,000 l/m of drainage pipes
•A state of the art irrigation system installed.

Much innuendo has flown since the flaws in the Eagle Farm track have been exposed, not to mention two employees tragically killed over the period of the redevelopment and disgruntled unpaid sub-contractors still with much to say, not surprisingly.

The BRC went out of its way last weekend to answer questions that have been asked of the current position. It highlights a clear fallen bridge between RQ and the BRC, though they say now they are working closely together to find solutions. They have no choice and it’s about time. It’s the least Queensland racing, its participants and punters deserve.

“Racing Queensland funded the redevelopment and, as project manager, oversaw the design and building of the track and the subsequent handover to the BRC. Due to funding delays, the tender for the redevelopment was not awarded until two months after racing ended at Eagle Farm,” the BRC stated.

But what was the outcome of those funding delays?

“The original scope for the track was trimmed from $12.7 million to meet the available funding of $10 million. To meet this reduction, Racing Queensland’s changes included the narrowing of the course proper from a width of 40m to 28m, the sprigging of turf instead of laying turf and the reduction of a maintenance period with the track builder, Evergreen, from 12 months to three months.”

What this means is that the much needed maintenance for such a massive project that would have been an on-going one, stopped before racing resumed in 2016.

This meant that Evergreen’s three-month maintenance period expired before racing re-commenced. Contractors would normally maintain a track project such as this for between one and two years.

Evergreen was brought back into the project with a three month maintenance contract in March this year.

“The intent was to ensure that the Brisbane Racing Carnival could be held as planned on an acceptable racing surface.”

Allegations that Monteith’s investigations will include are alleged cost savings in the project allegedly using unscreened topsoil or a lesser grade of turf, possibly a $1m bottom line difference. Whatever has happened, is not right.

But more so the question – if that is so – who approved it and who knew about it and how it got through to delivery.

But this is not so says the BRC in their statement, again drawing a distance from RQ.

“Racing Queensland is the principal under the contract. Factors such as the cost, type of grass and profile were determined by a Tender Evaluation Panel run by Racing Queensland. The BRC had one position on that panel.

“The BRC has seen no evidence of sub-standard materials having been used in building the new track. The concern has been more about the thatch issue. There is a growing school of thought that sand-profile tracks with kikuyu grass are more susceptible to thatch build-up,” it said.

But it is not just the track but the tunnel (two) and new infield stable complex work which should be part of Monteith’s investigations.
 Landfill Logistics, a company now in liquidation and linked to Solomon (Innes), a man who also raced many horses trained out of Eagle Farm, did much of the earth works and where much of the grief from unpaid subbies stems.

Landfill Logistics lawyer Nathaniel Delaney told Fairfax Media last year as trouble brewed around the company that (principal contractor) Criscon owed his client a debt in the “mid six figures”.

“The position of the respondent was that it did work on behalf of the BRC,” he said.

“The BRC paid for that work to the developer, Criscon. Criscon withheld payment of monies to our client to wait for it to be wound up, so they wouldn’t have to pay.

“The victims are the subcontractors and our client’s directors.”

He said Landfill director Wayne Innes had wanted to attempt to trade out of insolvency.

“A lot of the bills that are owed to the smaller subcontractors could have been remediated,” Mr Innes said, saying his company simply was not “in a position to pay” the money.

That sits uneasily with the unpaid subbies, with numbers understood over the stages of the project to total well past $1m, who want more action from the BRC and RQ, and investigate any links between the contracts being awarded and work carried out.

And the next issue may well be the work carried out building the new infield stable set-up, with fears that a possible cut corner build leaves the storm water drainage system as an accident waiting to happen, possibly leaving the new stables exposed to flooding.

But that is something that hopefully is also included in Monteith’s review as it’s no point finding a remedy for the track if the area from which the horses supposedly to run on it are being stabled, is another problem.

In the meantime, as the Monteith inquiry proceeds it will also be back to the next hearings in the Brisbane Magistrates Court on June 26 involving Shuck and Solomon (Innes) with some interest no doubt.

And hopefully despite all of this there will finally be a combined effort to rebuild Eagle Farm properly to its rightful glory for the 2018 Stradbroke and of course for all of Brisbane metropolitan racing.


Giddy Up :beer:
 
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Jun-18, 06:42 AM

BRISBANE RACING CLUB CALLS IN THE TROOPS

The who's who of Australian track managers have winged their way into Brisbane to help out with the Eagle Farm track debacle.

In the last few days, the Brisbane Racing Club has brought in Flemington track manager Mick Goodie, ATC racetrack manager Lindsay Murphy and Randwick racecourse manager Nevesh Ramdhani to assess the Eagle Farm situation.

There is no immediate solution but I understand the odds are shortening the track may have to be ripped up and started again, at least to some extent.

The Townsville track in north Queensland, which was also built by Evergreen, will be closed for "maintenance" after the Townsville Cup.

There is growing speculation that pure sand based profiles are not the way to go and Eagle Farm will have to be rebuilt on a mixture of sand and loam.


https://www.racenet.com.au/news/135034/IPSWICH-around-the-track-with-Ben-Dorries-Saturday-June-17
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Jun-18, 09:52 AM
God help them. Are they stupid  :lol:  Goodie and Ramdhani  :lol:   :lol:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: JayDee on 2017-Jun-20, 06:13 AM
Looks like Arthur will be back to crying himself to sleep....
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-Aug-03, 06:00 PM
The return date for racing at Queensland’s major racetrack at Eagle Farm will be made clear on Friday.

Racing Minister Grace Grace met with leading racing officials on the Gold Coast on Thursday to discuss a report into the indefinite closure of the track.

Eagle Farm has not raced since May 27 and Grace instigated an independent report from former Victoria Race Club chief executive Dale Monteith.

The track was closed after repeated complaints by trainers, owners and punters about the racing surface.

The report was sent to Racing Queensland last week and then passed on to Grace on Friday.

Grace has been on the Gold Coast this week for community cabinet and convened a meeting on Thursday.

It was attended by Brisbane Race Club boss Neville Bell and the club’s chief executive David Whimpey as well as RQ chief executive Eliot Forbes and Monteith.

After the meeting, Grace said she would release details of the report to the media and public on Friday.

“Mr Monteith has delivered a thorough and exhaustive report on Eagle Farm which provides a clear way forward to remediating the track,” Grace said.

“He has fully briefed me on the report, along with Racing Queensland and Brisbane Race club officials and we had a very productive meeting today.”

“I expect RQ and the BRC to implement his recommendations in full so that racing can resume at Eagle Farm as soon as possible.”

Grace would not elaborate on what the report contained until Friday but it is understood much of it involves the sand base of the track and whether it needs to be replaced.

Justhorseracing report

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Aug-03, 11:47 PM
Independent is a loose word   :lol:

R Qld's money, R Qld selected the contractor, R Qld signed off on the work.

Who'll get the blame? BRC of course!

Talk about buck passing and arse covering.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: mortdale on 2017-Aug-04, 01:19 PM
Independent is a loose word    :lol:  

R Qld's money, R Qld selected the contractor, R Qld signed off on the work.

Who'll get the blame? BRC of course!

Talk about buck passing and arse covering.

Hi Gintara, reminds of the old TV series, YES MINISTER.

Only problem this isn't funny.

I can assure you if the findings don't suit Ms Grace then we will only get a summarized version in her press release.

Remember an election is pending in QLD and Ms Grace and her crew will do anything not to attract negative press.

RQ must be made accountable and also the Executive team at the BRC that went along blindly with the misleading reports on who had the best plan for the rebuild of the track.

I wished I had the answer to save QLD racing as all 3 codes are in a mess.

1. Thoroughbreds. In fighting at major clubs. RQ picking fault with whatever some North QLD clubs try to do to improve their turnover. Tracks?.
2. Trots. Do they have a major track or not in 6 months time. Albion Park may be sold off. Only 2 major tracks to service all of QLD, what a joke.
3. Greyhounds. Sure they had their drama. But they continue to increase turnover. But where will their major base be if Albion Park is sold.?

The current Government hasn't got a clue when it comes to Racing. What criteria do you need to have to gain the portfolio of Racing Minister in QLD?.

NOT MUCH I WOULD SAY.

 :mad:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: sobig on 2017-Aug-04, 04:22 PM
4 Aug 2017
An independent report into the Eagle Farm track surface has recommended a remediation plan, which targets a return to racing in April 2018.
 
Racing Queensland (RQ) CEO Dr Eliot Forbes said he was pleased that the report provided a definitive solution to address the performance issues with the track.
 
“This report has taken into account all the circumstances and feedback on the track design, construction and maintenance. I would like to thank Mr Monteith for his diligent work and all stakeholders who have provided information for the review.”
 
Racing Queensland appointed former Victoria Racing Club CEO Dale Monteith to conduct the review, after a direction from Racing Minister Grace Grace to Racing Queensland to take all necessary steps to ensure Eagle Farm is returned to a fit state for racing.
 
Mr Monteith’s 31-page report identifies several factors that contributed to the track’s performance including:
 

    The sand chosen
    The grass chosen
    Maintenance programs during and after track construction
    Weather events at critical maintenance times
    The racing program in the first 12 months
    The budget available for the project

 
The Monteith Report recommends a major refurbishment of the track including the total removal of the existing grass and thatch layer and re-blending the profile to include angular sand types to improve stability.
 
It also recommended laying couch grass and a graduated return to a racing for the first year of racing and thereafter, depending upon track performance.
 
“Both Mr Monteith and Sports Turf Consultants agree on the remediation recommendations, however we took the extra step of commissioning soil scientist Dr Mick Battam to conduct a peer review. That second review has concurred with the recommendations and I am pleased to say we now have an in-principle agreement with the Brisbane Racing Club to implement a robust and enduring solution,” said Dr Forbes.
 
BRC Chairman Neville Bell said: “We welcome the review of the track. We look forward to working with Racing Queensland to ensure Eagle Farm is ready for the 2018 Brisbane Racing Carnival. Over more than a century, Eagle Farm has proven to be very popular with punters and we want to ensure that history stretches over many more years.”
 
Mr Monteith assessed the track design, construction and maintenance of Eagle Farm. Testing identified that the track was built to the design specification and that the parties agreed to practical completion in May 2016, with racing resuming in June 2016.
 
While the sand profile met USGA standards and was successfully used at a number of tracks around Australia, the report concluded an angular sand profile (or sandy loam) and couch grass may have assisted in stabilising the surface.
 
Responsibility for maintenance of the track was transferred from contractor Evergreen to the Brisbane Racing Club in August 2015 after budget revisions reduced the Evergreen maintenance period from 12 months to 3 months.
 
A combination of factors between January and April this year, including an extreme weather event during a heavy race schedule, the treatment of a nematode infestation and the application of organic fertilisers to the surface, contributed to the build-up of an unhealthy organic layer that retarded grass growth and ultimately turf performance.
 
Racing Queensland deemed the track unfit for racing after the Kingsford-Smith Cup on 27 May 2017 and subsequent events were transferred to Doomben.
 
As part of the review and on the advice of Mr Monteith, Racing Queensland commissioned a comprehensive testing regime of the surface by Sports Turf Consultants and their recommendations are included in the Monteith report.
 
Racing Queensland and the Brisbane Racing Club have agreed in-principle on the scope of works for remediation. Racing Queensland will project manage the works and intends to finance the project via the Racing Infrastructure Fund.
 
The total cost will be known once the scope is finalised and work tenders are returned.
 
Racing Queensland has already re-modelled the 2017/18 Summer Carnival to accommodate Eagle Farm’s unavailability and will begin discussions with relevant clubs immediately.  Among the carnival changes is the movement of three Brisbane Racing Club metropolitan race meetings from Eagle Farm to Doomben, including the key Bernborough Stakes meeting on 30 December 2017.
 
The Brisbane Racing Club and Racing Queensland are reviewing the club’s full race dates schedule to factor in Eagle Farm’s outage leading up to the 2018 Queensland Winter Racing Carnival.
 
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-Aug-04, 07:51 PM
Eagle Farm surface back in business by April after recommendations taken on board
NATHAN EXELBY, @xlbnathan_cmail, The Courier-Mail
August 4, 2017 4:00pm

AN ambitious timeline to have racing returned to Eagle Farm by next April has been outlined after Racing Queensland and the Brisbane Racing Club agreed to recommendations made by Dale Monteith this week.

It has been resolved to remove the existing kikuyu turf and thatch layer, before stripping back 50-100mm of existing sand and replacing it with a more angular sand “if it can be sourced” to create and improve stability.

If the right type of sand cannot be sourced, STC suggested substituting it with “a sandy loam soil.”

The top 200mm will then be blended before new couch grass is laid. Notably, it will be laid, not sprigged like the current track.

It follows a review ordered by Racing Minister Grace Grace as to why the new track failed so badly and the best way to resurrect it.

The review was conducted by former Victoria Racing Club Chief Executive Dale Monteith, who this week tabled a 71-page report in conjunction with Sports Turf Consultants, who carried out more than 170 tests on the maligned surface.

Eagle Farm was closed in September 2014 and after a $10 million redevelopment was reopened in June 2016, but was plagued by problems from the outset.

BRC chairman Neville Bell: “This is not the first sand track in Australia that’s had problems. This seems to be almost par for the course and unfortunately Eagle Farm wasn’t spared those problems.”

Only a handful of meetings lived up to expectations and after it was ridiculed by Australia’s leading jockeys and trainers at the Group 1 Kingsford Smith Cup meeting on May 27, RQ shifted the remainder of the carnival to Doomben and Grace ordered the review.

“We can’t afford to waste time with finger-pointing and blame-shifting — my absolute priority is to ensure the track is operating at its optimum level,” Grace said.

“Dale Monteith’s thorough and exhaustive report sets out a clear path to remediating the track, and Racing Queensland and the Brisbane Racing Club have reached in-principle agreement to implement his recommendations.”

It had been feared the reconstruction would cost many millions of dollars, but Monteith’s recommendations have been estimated to fall between $1-$1.5 million, with only the turf and a percentage of sand to be replaced.

It will be funded out of RQ’s Racing Infrastructure Fund, which was established after the control body struck a 30-year deal with wagering provider UBET in 2014.

Monteith’s report identified several areas that contributed to the poor performance of Eagle Farm.

These included the type of sand chosen, the breed of grass, a heavy initial racing program and budget cuts at the outset of the project, which led to grass being “sprigged” instead of mature turf being laid.

The final report unearthed conflicting views between the BRC and track constructor Evergreen and was critical of both the recommended maintenance procedures and those adopted, in particular the fertilising and grass removal procedures.


Excessive kickback occurs on Darley Kingsford Smith Cup Day, where the track surface came under heavy criticism.

“The application of organic fertilisers to sand profile surfaces is a dated technique,” it said before noting “the practice of not vacuuming grass clippings after mowing was discontinued in Melbourne more than 20 years ago.”


A racing program of “no more than 20-25 meetings” has been recommended in the first year, building to a maximum of 35 after three years, before deciding on a suitable long-term allocation.

BRC chairman Neville Bell said he was looking forward to getting the track back to where the vision originally started.

“I have said all along we are not cleanskins in this. We have made errors in judgment along the way,” Bell said. “But I have also said a lot of the problems were out of our control and this report vindicates that view.

“People can draw their own conclusions from the report, but most importantly, we now have an agreed way going forward.

“We need to get this track back and operating as we always wanted it to be.

“This is not the first sand track in Australia that’s had problems. This seems to be almost par for the course and unfortunately Eagle Farm wasn’t spared those problems.

“There’s been a lot of learning for our track staff. That will be very valuable going forward.”

Dr Eliot Forbes Forbes says consideration was given to all possible renovation options and he has no doubt the one being adopted is the best solution.
Forbes: We’re sticking with sand profile

RACING Queensland chief executive Eliot Forbes is at odds with many south east Queensland participants, but insists a sand profile track is “industry best practice”.

With the more traditional profile of Doomben performing admirably week-in week-out, leading trainers have questioned many times in the past 14 months why a super draining sand profile is necessary, given the associated dramas that seem to come with them.


They had hoped Dale Monteith’s report would return them to a more traditional surface, but the controversial sand profile will remain.


Forbes said consideration was given to all possible renovation options and he has no doubt the one being adopted is the best solution — both short and long term — for Queensland racing’s biggest cash converter.

“We have approached this process with a long-term vision to make sure we get the best solution to find a robust and enduring answer to the performance of the track,” he said.

“Obviously this track was designed to be a sand-based track, from the sub soil drainage all the way up.

“Sand-based tracks have a perch water table and that relates to the profile of sands and how the water travels.

“If you go and change that, you change the fundamental design of the track. We certainly gave consideration to alternatives and it may be that if we can’t source the right sort of angular sand, we could move to a 10 per cent loam mixed in with the sand that would aid the stability.

“If you move to put loam in it, you impact the infiltration rate and you change the characteristic of the surface.

“If you are going to do that, you would have to dig down a whole lot more.

“Irrespective, we wanted to find the best solution. Sand-based tracks with perched water table, high infiltration rate is best practice in the racing industry.

“On examination of all the factors here, this is what the consultants have come back with as being the best solution for this surface.”

It had been feared the reconstruction would cost many millions of dollars, but Dale Monteith’s recommendations have been estimated to fall between $1-$1.5 million.ENDS


That's the long and short of it ...the track was laid to specifications so it appears to  me that dooms the prospect of a successful legal action against Evergreen. :whistle:

Read the report if you can stay awake long enuff.

http://www.racingqueensland.com.au/getmedia/57e3ecd0-b0e7-41ee-bb97-e9627d876740/Eagle-Farm-Track-Report-040817.pdf.aspx


Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: arthur on 2017-Aug-04, 08:27 PM
No wonder the NBN is a failure, when we can't even build a racetrack . .

Sadly it's probably 'even-money' about the repairs working  :whistle:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Devil on 2017-Aug-05, 07:57 AM
That's the scary part Arthur.
If it fails again I'm not sure about the future .

Gintara, what do you think about the change of grass type?
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-Aug-05, 09:44 AM
Prior to doing up EF I think it was Kikuyu which is a very hardy thick grass ideal for race tracks but to save money the Kikuyu EG put in was sprigged rather than laying mature sods now removing the Kikuyu and going to couch Wintergreen ..... they have to oversow with rye grass every year....... that's what  we had to do at the golf club on some of  the golf greens which were subject to shade in Winter ...this  was a very expensive process about $500 each green back then....... now in today's prices cost would be a lot more and with more territory to cover on a racetrack I can't imagine any racing at EF until the oversowing takes hold.

"There are no major factors associated with nutrition that will restrict good grass growth.
However, modification of the grass composition to move to a couch grass is recommended.
This will provide a more consistent racing surface especially over the summer racing
period. Ryegrass will need to be oversown into the racing surface to provide a durable
winter turf cover. The oversowing will need to occur in Late February to ensure the ryegrass
will be of sufficient maturity to race on."


Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Aug-05, 09:53 AM

Gintara, what do you think about the change of grass type?

Grats, I'll go through and point out the flaws & PR spin later on tonight on all that's posted above but the change to couch concerns me  :sweat:

I love couch but there is no doubt they will have to oversow with a rye grass through winter, it simply won't produce any recovery (btw - this is totally different to what Arsey is talking about, totally different grasses and costs)

Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Devil on 2017-Aug-05, 11:26 AM
Thanks mate
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: MagiC~* on 2017-Aug-08, 06:20 AM
What tracks in QLD are currently racing on couch ?
Anybody know what Doomben or The sunny coast have ?
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Aug-08, 07:54 AM
Magic, I stand corrected as I'm not in Qld but I think there is only one and it's in Nth Qld.  :chin:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Aug-08, 08:02 AM
None of like to say I told you so but I told you so, no one was interested instead it was head in the sand stuff. Note the dates  :whistle:

Instead we've had 12 months to compound the problems  :wacko:

From an outsider looking in I doubt they need to start afresh, get the 'Topmaker' in and remove the black pudgy layer that is the root of all the problem. Then bring in enough soil required to blend with the existing profile and laser to the desired levels, returf - done.

There are only a few products on the market that you could use to amend the profile without affecting your infiltration & percolation rates ..... trust me, chicken manure fines are not one of those  :shutup:

Without knowing or seeing the sand specs Morts it's really hard to know but honestly for a racetrack I doubt even if it locked down affecting the infiltration rate on the surface, regular Verti-draining (common practice) would negate this. It's not like it's a golf green cut at 3mm where ball roll / surface quality are paramount.

I'd be very surprised if the thing wasn't constructed properly but it's what's been put in place during the grow in and subsequent racing year that has caused the problems. :chin:

Anyone bothered to read the report? Wonder what that cost  :chin: I guess we've got to where I was telling you all for the last 12 months  :whistle:

Anyway Sports Turf Consultants who under took the review are pretty good but I did have a chuckle when it was peer reviewed by Dr Battam.

Dr Battam is one of the most knowledge people on soil science but he's widely known to dislike sand, he'd much prefer to build with loam or heavier materials, so they might as well put their own rubber stamp on it as they would have known the outcome.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: arthur on 2017-Aug-08, 02:02 PM

Archie has his say on the track, and other matters, Ascot related

https://itsnotnormalisit.com/author/fintanpwalsh/
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: gunbower on 2017-Aug-08, 05:13 PM
So the Director takes a $150,000 from the members' funds for his own firm to flog some prime land to Australia's largest residential builder. Are these jokers at the BRC for real ? Their incompetence , as everyone knows, has no bounds. Now it appears some more sinister matters require full scrutiny. If the Minister was even half on the ball they would have all been dismissed by now. As she isn't, hopefully the members will take matters into their own hands and get rid of these clowns.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Aug-08, 06:07 PM
Archie has his say on the track, and other matters, Ascot related

https://itsnotnormalisit.com/author/fintanpwalsh/

Wow that was a hell of a read  :lol:
Who is this Archie fella.
I suggest he's in trouble when he gets home after stating

"given that I was punting at the Farm and Doomben before I could walk and that love racing even more than I do shagging my missus"
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: dean on 2017-Aug-08, 08:40 PM
Was this proposed unit site based in Auguthella or Blackall ? Or is  it based in one of the major growth corridors of Queensland for unit development ? The latter is the answer. So why were my funds given to this Director to sell "ice creams to Eskimos "? It is now a question I will be asking of the BRC. I will also be directing my solicitor to ask the same questions of the CCC and ASIC. They think have no accountability these stooges.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Theorist on 2017-Aug-10, 09:20 AM
Gotta love Archie.  He's got more Eagle Farm news today on his blog.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-Aug-18, 08:02 PM
Farm surface tension as RQ, BRC argue over replacement profile
NATHAN EXELBY, The Courier-Mail
August 17, 2017 5:00pm
RACING Queensland and the Brisbane Racing Club are at odds over the profile of the ­replacement Eagle Farm surface, with the timeline to resume racing at the venue next April rated as “ambitious”.

The BRC met Racing Queensland this week after the formation of a project control group to oversee the renovations at Eagle Farm.

In the wake of that meeting, BRC chief executive Dave Whimpey on Thursday raised a number of conflicting views with RQ in an interview with Radio TAB.

“The BRC is concerned about the time frame. We think the timeline is ambitious,” Whimpey said.

“We would like evidence where tracks have been significantly renovated and then come back (in a similar time frame). We are not going to rush this track to come back.

“We want to be far more engaged in the way this track trials before we accept this track back.”

There remains fear within the BRC that a sand profile provides more risks than a sandy loam surface and that couch grass can cope with year-round use.

There have also been questions raised about the workload of Eagle Farm, which will be reduced to a far smaller percentage, at least in the first three years, if the 100 per cent sand profile remains.

“We would like to source (a sandy loam profile) even if angular sand can be found,” Whimpey said.

“We want to make sure we have a track that can race 40-45 times a year.”

The excessive turf kickback that occurred on Kingsford Smith Cup Day which drew heavy criticism. Pictu AAP

RQ chief executive Eliot Forbes reiterated the control body had accepted recommendations made by Dale Monteith and sports turf consultants in the independent track review and refuted suggestions Eagle Farm would not cope with a bigger schedule.

“RQ is confident maintaining a sand-based track is the best solution to return Eagle Farm to regular racing,” he said.

“Sand-based tracks continue to perform with correct maintenance across the state, with the likes of Toowoomba scheduled to host 45 meetings this season. RQ understands the importance of Eagle Farm to the racing industry.”

Forbes said the recommendations for the track had been agreed “in principle” by RQ and the BRC.

Couch will be a change for the track surface  wouldn't be as tough as Kikuyu....time will tell if the experts have got it right.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: gunbower on 2017-Aug-18, 08:44 PM
Who would give a toss about anything The "Whimp " said . I am astounded him and the fools who make up the Board of Directors haven't been dismissed by now. It is well and truly overdue.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Aug-18, 10:15 PM
Farm surface tension as RQ, BRC argue over replacement profile


RQ chief executive Eliot Forbes reiterated the control body had accepted recommendations made by Dale Monteith and sports turf consultants in the independent track review and refuted suggestions Eagle Farm would not cope with a bigger schedule.

“RQ is confident maintaining a sand-based track is the best solution to return Eagle Farm to regular racing,” he said.

“Sand-based tracks continue to perform with correct maintenance across the state, with the likes of Toowoomba scheduled to host 45 meetings this season. RQ understands the importance of Eagle Farm to the racing industry.”

Forbes said the recommendations for the track had been agreed “in principle” by RQ and the BRC.


Giddy Up :beer:

There it is in a nutshell, don't bury it in chook shit and look after it properly.  :whistle:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Nov-06, 09:17 PM
None of like to say I told you so but I told you so, no one was interested instead it was head in the sand stuff. Note the dates  :whistle:

Instead we've had 12 months to compound the problems  :wacko:

From an outsider looking in I doubt they need to start afresh, get the 'Topmaker' in and remove the black pudgy layer that is the root of all the problem. Then bring in enough soil required to blend with the existing profile and laser to the desired levels, returf - done.

There are only a few products on the market that you could use to amend the profile without affecting your infiltration & percolation rates ..... trust me, chicken manure fines are not one of those  :shutup:

Without knowing or seeing the sand specs Morts it's really hard to know but honestly for a racetrack I doubt even if it locked down affecting the infiltration rate on the surface, regular Verti-draining (common practice) would negate this. It's not like it's a golf green cut at 3mm where ball roll / surface quality are paramount.

I'd be very surprised if the thing wasn't constructed properly but it's what's been put in place during the grow in and subsequent racing year that has caused the problems.  :chin:

Oh look! What do we see in the picture on the itsnotnormalisit blog? Is that a 'Topmaker' I spy?

https://itsnotnormalisit.com/2017/11/06/he-said-dig-100-millimetres-not-100-metres-stop-that-truck-before-he-digs-the-farm-down-to-hell/

*sigh*
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-Nov-08, 07:03 PM
Steve Hewlett on radio 4TAB today interviewed  Dr Eliot Forbes  about  the Eagle Farm  track resurface ......turns out  they couldn't source enough of Winter Green couch and have decided to go with a different species of couch  Prime I think he said it's called ......Gintara would know it I expect.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2017-Nov-12, 12:12 PM
From the Sunday Courier Mail

Horse owner Nick Meredith banned from Doomben Racecourse

Tom Snowdon, The Sunday Mail (Qld)

The trouble-plagued Brisbane Racing Club has banned an owner from watching his own horse race after he criticised the disastrous Eagle Farm Racecourse.

Racing identity Nick Meredith said police were called to escort him from Doomben Racecourse on Derby Day – one of the busiest race meets of the year – last Saturday for his “on-track behaviour”.

The former soccer star, who was giving mounting-yard advice to other owners, said there was no legitimate reason for the eviction or the indefinite ban that was imposed.

He said he was later told it was payback for critical comments made on social media by his group, The Punters Collective, in August about Eagle Farm Racecourse.

“I’ve been on course at Doomben at least three times since then, but they chose that weekend to do it,” Mr Meredith said.

“They could have contacted me at any time over that period to have a discussion but they obviously wanted to make a scene out of it.”

The Punters Collective had previously been issued a cease-and-desist order on filming mounting yards at all race meets on orders from Sky Racing, which owns the broadcast rights. The group agreed to stop filming.

Mr Meredith’s horse, Captain Dodge, raced on Saturday but the owner was unable to attend the track because of the ban.

When asked about its ruling, BRC released a statement saying the club would “always protect the rights of stakeholders who provide financial support to the Queensland racing industry”.

...

Mr Meredith said: “The track was an unmitigated disaster that has cost the industry a fortune.

“I’ve got a friend who nearly lost a horse through illness from soil that landed in its throat during a race. It was absolutely toxic.”

A report commissioned by Racing Queensland found the track’s troubles were due to factors that included the chosen sand and grass, maintenance programs, and a full racing program.

Racing is expected to return to Eagle Farm in April next year for the Brisbane Racing Carnival.

Mr Meredith said he had written to the Queensland Racing Integrity Commission, Racing Australia, and the Office of Liquor and Gaming Regulation but none were able to help.

He is now considering legal action.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/horse-owner-nick-meredith-banned-from-doomben-racecourse

https://horsebetting.com.au/racing-queensland-shuts-down-punters-filming-on-course/24028/
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-Nov-29, 10:04 PM
Heavy rain in Brisbane today caused some flash flooding on the northside .........Eagle Farm infield stables were underwater as this snap shot on LGHR shows,

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: gunbower on 2017-Nov-29, 10:27 PM
Gee Double Dee (in exile ) any possible remote hope you clowns could get something right ?
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-Dec-14, 07:21 PM
Eagle Farm return delayed
Posted by: AAP+Filled in: Horse Racing News | 14/12/2017 at 5:36pm
IMAGE: DARREN WINNINGHAMEagle Farm will not be ready for the Brisbane winter carnival
Queensland’s main racetrack Eagle Farm will not be ready for the Brisbane winter carnival and will be closed until at least next spring.

Racing Queensland and the Brisbane Racing Club on Thursday confirmed the troubled track needed more time to be able to race at a high standard.

Eagle Farm has been closed since May 27 when it was ruled to be unfit for major racing.

The decision for the track to remain closed for an extra period means there will be a re-jigged winter carnival next year.

The track was scheduled to be open for the winter carnival but there have been delays in the remedial work.

The decision to miss the winter carnival was made several weeks ago but could not be ratified by the state government because it was in caretaker mode.

RQ Chief Executive Elliott Forbes said in order to provide sufficient time for thorough testing before racing and to provide certainty to all stakeholders, Eagle Farm had been removed from the winter carnival.

“We are on schedule to begin laying turf in December despite delays associated with adverse weather, challenges sourcing the necessary high-quality materials and securing the availability of contractors to undertake the remediation process,” Forbes said..

“All those involved in the project have taken a ‘best practice’ approach to every step of this project in relation to materials and methodology, including extensive testing and quality assurance of materials.”

BRC Chairman Neville Bell said the announcement would assist all stakeholders to plan their campaigns.

“The decision to call it now provides certainty for all participants planning carnival campaigns in the first half of next year and to ensure we give the Eagle Farm track every opportunity to perform to the highest of standards which our stakeholders, members, patrons and punters deserve,” Bell said.

The author of a report on the Eagle Farm surface, Dale Monteith, said he was responsible for recommending the best solution for the track and he took that responsibility seriously.

“I know that the steps undertaken will see Eagle Farm again become one of the best racing surfaces in Australia,” he said.

The new-look winter carnival will feature four Group One race days at Doomben, culminating in the UBET Stradbroke Handicap.

The proposed schedule, to be finalised by RQ, has three consecutive weekends of racing at Doomben before a two-week break before Stradbroke Day in June.

Under the proposed schedule, the Queensland Oaks will be brought forward one week and held alongside the Kingsford Smith Cup at Doomben.

The Sunshine Coast Turf Club will then host a card, the majority of which will be black-type races, one week before the Stradbroke.

No surprise bout that.
Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Dec-14, 08:51 PM


“All those involved in the project have taken a ‘best practice’ approach to every step of this project in relation to materials and methodology, including extensive testing and quality assurance of materials.”



Seriously what does that mean? They didn't last time ......  :huh:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: gunbower on 2017-Dec-14, 09:23 PM
Completely correct Gintara. This fool Elliott  has all the competence of those other silly old buggars Dubble Dee and Ascot who told as by now that we would be racing on the best racecourse in the Southern hemisphere. It is about time the new Racing Minister used his powers and put this incompetent Committee out to pasture on a permanent basis.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: arthur on 2017-Dec-14, 09:26 PM
It means that Archie . . and a lot of others . . were right  :shutup: :sad: :shutup:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-Dec-16, 07:39 AM
I sense there's trouble in store .......Archie on the war path with CM scribbler Grant Stockwell .....sending abusive messages over the EF debacle to each other ...and that's just the beginning ...I sense it will end badly for one or the other ....possibly both.....sensitive police material published on a blog site .....that can't be right...... depending on what happens next.....there's likely to be blood on the floor. :o

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: johnojohnson on 2017-Dec-17, 07:59 PM
wow!
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Antitab# on 2017-Dec-18, 02:11 AM
I am no lawyer but I suspect Archie may have gone to far on his piece dated 18 December.

I would expect the police and the News Ltd legal team to be knocking at his door at some stage today.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Colinjohn on 2017-Dec-18, 02:42 PM
Archie sure is fired up today. Interesting to see what happens.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Stan Still on 2017-Dec-18, 03:10 PM
yes will be interesting, of more importance but will go unquestioned was the "appointment" of ring-a-ding-dong Bell's mate Dale Monteith to investigate the track disaster. Here is a guy who's never grown a blade of grass in his life, no qualifications (except being dings mate) at track renovation and all he had to say was  never followed up anyway. Got to feel for Alan Shuck, a bloke who never did a grass growing course in his life, never had any degrees but was able to maintain a safe and consistent racing surface at both Bundamba (when it was a shit hole) and Eagle Farm for more than 35 years. Why on earth they dug the joint up is still a mystery, if those dumbells in charge had given it 6 months to restabalize it would have been fine. The track had raced well for 150 years without any of these dark suited spivs who barely understand which part of a horse goes past the post first suddenly turn up and wreck the place under the guidance of bigger idiots who get paid a small and large fortune for SFA.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Dec-18, 04:45 PM
if those dumbells in charge had given it 6 months to restabalize it would have been fine.

Sorry Stan that would have never happened.  :no:

I've well documented here what they did wrong (and I'm only watching from 1000kms away on TV) but they were stuffed once they continued on the maintenance program that was part of the contract, the only way out was to rip off the top of the track to rid the track of the organic layer they had created.

I have no reason to believe the track wasn't constructed properly and being sand based is fine if treated correctly but you can not use the same maintenance practices on sand based tracks that you have for the last 40 years on the original or conventional loam type surfaces.  :bulb:

Think of it like this, you have a virgin sand that is basically inert, no microflora or any of the goodies that help the profile cycle and break down organic matter but what do they do? They stick 1 tonne / ha of chicken manure fines every month over the damn thing (as per the program from the contractor) this creates a black pudgy layer that simply can not break down. This created an organic layer on the surface that capped the sand, this just promotes disease, weakening the plant, insect attack etc all while moisture can't move through so to compound it the roots wouldn't & didn't need to go deeper (all the moisture is stuck at the top remember) so it was like racing on a big pudgy sponge that the horses just tore out as there was no root development  :shutup:

Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: johnojohnson on 2017-Dec-18, 06:55 PM
how did news ltd employ the bloke again in the first place is also apt?
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Stan Still on 2017-Dec-19, 07:14 AM
gintara, you sound like youve grown the odd tomato like plant giving your expose f the EF track disaster, my point is that a bloke who was never trained or educated in track maintainence managed to have the track useable for decades while the punting dollar remained constant yet we have a new EF "Board" of virtual spivs with no prior racing knowledge except sitting inside the committee bar drinking members free piss suddenly "lose" $12 mill and forever destroying one of the best tracks in oz.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: johnojohnson on 2017-Dec-19, 08:12 AM
Will the butterfly have his wings crushed?
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: wily ole dog on 2017-Dec-19, 09:46 AM
gintara, you sound like youve grown the odd tomato like plant giving your expose f the EF track disaster, my point is that a bloke who was never trained or educated in track maintainence managed to have the track useable for decades while the punting dollar remained constant yet we have a new EF "Board" of virtual spivs with no prior racing knowledge except sitting inside the committee bar drinking members free piss suddenly "lose" $12 mill and forever destroying one of the best tracks in oz.


"virtual spivs". I luv it :clap2:

QLD is not on it's own in that regard Flemington & Randwick are basket cases and some of those bloke are racing people but clearly are taking orders from the virtual spivs
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2017-Dec-19, 05:45 PM
BRC track manager resigns
3 hours ago by AAP
Brisbane Racing Club track manager Sean Bridges has resigned and will finish up almost immediately.

Bridges has been the track manager at Eagle Farm for about five years.

He met with BRC officials earlier this week about a possible restructure of the track management during next year's remedial work on the troubled Eagle Farm course.

Bridges, who was due to go on holidays on Thursday, sent his resignation to the BRC on Tuesday afternoon which caught officials by surprise.

BRC Chairman Neville Bell confirmed Bridges had resigned but emphasised he had not been dismissed,

"We accepted Sean's resignation with major regret. He has been a very hard worker for us," Bell said.

He said he could not comment further on likely replacements until discussions with Racing Queensland which is overseeing the Eagle Farm reconstruction.
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Whatever prompted that .........very unlikely there'll be any further and better particulars provided.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2017-Dec-20, 09:10 PM
gintara, you sound like youve grown the odd tomato like plant giving your expose f the EF track disaster, my point is that a bloke who was never trained or educated in track maintainence managed to have the track useable for decades while the punting dollar remained constant yet we have a new EF "Board" of virtual spivs with no prior racing knowledge except sitting inside the committee bar drinking members free piss suddenly "lose" $12 mill and forever destroying one of the best tracks in oz.

I guess what I was getting at Stan is those same practices that worked for all those years would run into trouble on a sand based profile.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: johnojohnson on 2017-Dec-20, 09:35 PM
even more interesting
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: johnojohnson on 2017-Dec-20, 10:27 PM
interesting


Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Jan-29, 03:04 AM
From AAP via Racenet

New turf ready for Eagle Farm racetrack

Workmen will begin laying grass on the Eagle Farm course proper next week after a period of consultation and testing by contractors.

Former Racing Victoria executive Dale Monteith was in Brisbane on Thursday for a series of meetings with Racing Queensland, the Brisbane Racing Club and Racing Minister Stirling Hinchcliffe.

He was the author of a report into the remedial work needed to rebuild Eagle Farm's course proper after it was closed in May.

A small test patch has been laid at Eagle Farm and it has progressed well in the past month.

Racing Queensland's Chief Executive Elliott Forbes said grass would be cut at a farm where it was being grown on Monday.

Mr Forbes said there had been extensive consultation about the technique and methodology for laying the turf.

He said a test patch showed growth of the root structure ranging from 50mm to 75mm which was encouraging.

Mr Forbes said specialist turf consultants believes the turf was growing well and performing to expectations.

"RQ and The BRC have met with trainers and there were some positive responses," he said.

Mr Forbes said he could not put a time on a return to racing at Eagle Farm.

Eagle Farm will be closed for the winter carnival but it is expected to be reopened some time this year.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/new-turf-ready-for-eagle-farm-racetrack-20180125
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2018-Jan-29, 07:54 PM
Well who would have thunk it  :whistle:



He said a test patch showed growth of the root structure ranging from 50mm to 75mm which was encouraging.


You lay washed turf on a sand profile and the roots will fly down, let's hope the peanuts don't bury it in chook shit again  :shutup:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Mar-19, 09:15 AM
Racing Minister wants answers over Eagle Farm debacle
By James Lamb Thursday at 1:09pm
Patience is wearing thin after ongoing failures at Eagle FarmImage: Getty
Racing Queensland is again in the gun over the ongoing Eagle Farm saga, with Racing Minister Stirling Hinchliffe echoing the sentiments of disgruntled punters and industry participants.

“Eagle Farm has been offline for too long and my patience is wearing thin,” Hinchliffe told The Courier Mail.

“I’ve told Racing Queensland they need to do whatever it takes to fix the track – and if that means changes at RQ, then get on with it and make those changes.”

There have been repeated delays in the remediation work of Eagle Farm's course proper, which has been out of action since May last year and has been closed for all but one year in the past four years.

It was originally envisaged that racing would return to Eagle Farm by April this year but December now looms as the earliest possible re-opening.

Hinchliffe's comments follow superintendent Dalton Consulting Engineers' decision to walk away from the troubled project.

Former Flemington track manager Mick Goodie has since been called in to give his opinion on the track.

"Mr Goodie has previously worked very closely with the expert consultants who designed and have helped remediate the new Eagle Farm track," said Racing Queensland chief executive Dr Eliot Forbes.

Eagle Farm was closed indefinitely following last year's winter carnival, where the track was rated a heavy 8 for Kingsford-Smith Cup day despite no rain falling that week.

The substandard conditions led to Racing Queensland transferring the Oaks, Stradbroke and Tatt's Tiara meetings to Doomben.

Hinchliffe said the industry could not afford for the return to Eagle Farm to be delayed any longer.

“A return to racing at Eagle Farm has to be Racing Queensland’s absolutely top priority,” he told The Courier Mail.
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Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Mar-22, 08:29 PM
RQ SAYS 'ET' RESIGNED - BUT WAS HE SACKED OVER FARM DEBACLE? 

IF you want to believe the propaganda posted by Racing Queensland in their Media Release, much-maligned CEO Dr Eliot Forbes resigned this morning.

Industry sources will tell you that he was pushed – sacked at the behest of the new Racing Minister Sterling Hinchliffe who is looking for a scapegoat for the Eagle Farm track redevelopment fiasco.

Question is will he walk the plank alone or should some of the high flyers from the Brisbane Racing Club stop passing the buck to RQ and accept their share of responsibility for the embarrassment that has been Eagle Farm in recent years.

Time will tell!

Who will inherit the poison chalice at RQ? Early favorite is Scott Whiteman, the CEO of Country Racing Victoria and a former CEO of the Gold Coast Turf Club.

More importantly in the short term is what ‘Pounds’ Sterling plans to do about the apparent incompetence of the BRC in this Eagle Farm disaster.

Will heads roll there as well, starting with the CEO Dave Whimpey – well that’s probably a question for the Directors who have to shoulder some of the blame?

RACING MINISTER ISSUES ORDER TO RQ: FIX THE EAGLE FARM TRACK!
RACING MINISTER STERLING HINCLIFFE made the following statement in the Queensland Parliament today on the Eagle Farm racetrack redevelopment fiasco:

‘AS I rise in this House today, the jewel in Queensland’s thoroughbred racing crown sits idle at Ascot in the electorate of the member for Clayfield. Owners, trainers, jockeys and the racing public are all being denied an opportunity to participate in the wonderful experience that is racing at Eagle Farm. That facility—a 150-year-old Queensland icon—has been out of action for far too long.

There have been too many excuses from Racing Queensland and others, too little clarity about what exactly are the impediments to finishing the job, and, quite frankly, too little clarity on what it will take to ensure that the track at Eagle Farm is once again ready for racing.

As Racing Minister, one of my very first actions was to seek assurances from Racing Queensland that the organisation had this sorry matter in hand. I asked whether the track would be ready for the Winter Carnival. ‘Possibly’, was the answer.

Faced with such uncertainty and knowing the impact a wrong decision would have on trainers’ preparation for the Winter Carnival, I supported Racing Queensland’s decision to once again hold the Winter Carnival at Doomben. Twelve weeks on, with 700 metres of track still not laid, the prospects of Eagle Farm being ready for racing in spring appear slim. And that is simply not good enough.

Today I stand in this House and say that it is time for the blame-shifting and finger-pointing to end in favour of working together. This sorry saga is trying my patience and the patience of the racing industry, while causing serious angst for Eagle Farm’s neighbours. They have borne the brunt of too much noise, dust and smells, and they have my sympathy.

In ongoing discussions with Racing Queensland chair Steve Wilson, I directed him in the strongest terms to do whatever it took to see Queensland’s most significant racing facility once again operational. The ball is now firmly in the court of Racing Queensland. I have demanded weekly briefings from the board on the progress being made with the track remediation and I have also directed RQ to keep the industry fully informed.

Despite my frustration, there is also good news for an industry that employs tens of thousands of Queenslanders and contributes $1.2 billion to the state’s economy. Working with the Palaszczuk government, RQ has completely turned around the organisation’s finances and, as a consequence, improved the industry’s long-term prospects. It has worked with the government to put together the immensely popular $70 million country racing package. It has overseen significant prize money increases, making Queensland more competitive.

I will finish by saying just one thing: fix the track!

 www.lghr.com story

Also CM piece by Nathan Exelby CM editorialised the issue as well.

http://enews.smedia.com.au/thecouriermail/default.aspx?publication=NCCM

Watch this space to see if the resignation attracts substantial payouts as the rorts previously approved by The Bobster &Co  when the high paid RQL executives were awarded salary increases and massive redundancies when they resigned. :o


Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Mar-23, 08:27 AM
From The House of Broken Dreams
QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE Resumed from p. 674. Eagle Farm Race Track Mr LANGBROEK: My question without notice is to the Minister for Racing. I ask: how can Queenslanders have confidence that the minister will get Eagle Farm back on track given his record of blaming bureaucrats when things go wrong, just as at QR when rail fail started?
Mr HINCHLIFFE: I thank the member for Surfers Paradise. I have attended a number of events with the shadow minister, including the Magic Millions sales launch event with the Thoroughbred Breeders Queensland Association on the weekend. I had thought we had seen a great level of bipartisanship in supporting the great and important racing industry here in this state. I do not want to accept any element of the premise of the question from the member opposite because I am making very clear that, in relation to the very challenging issues and the issues of great concern across the whole of the thoroughbred industry in relation to Eagle Farm and the Eagle Farm track, the blame game should be put into the past. That is not actually helping; continuing a blame game and finger pointing is not the way forward. I think the member for Clayfield and some former members of this House will be very pleased that we are going to put that sort of stuff aside and move forward. In answer to the question asked by the member for Surfers Paradise, I want to make it very clear that with the statement I made yesterday in this House I put Racing Queensland on notice. I made clear that, along with the other parties involved in addressing and dealing with the issue of the track at Eagle Farm, which has been out of action for too long, we need to knuckle down and get it sorted. I am taking responsibility as minister by stepping up and demanding that of the people involved. Equally, it has been reported that the resignation yesterday of the former CEO of Racing Queensland, Dr Eliot Forbes, is directly associated with my statements and comments in relation to the Eagle Farm track. The reasons for Dr Forbes’ resignation are not a matter for me: they are a matter for him. I do not believe they are directly related. It is important that we recognise the strong work that was done by Dr Forbes with the board of Racing Queensland to restore Racing Queensland to sustainability so it is able to make a positive contribution to the racing industry here in the state. I look forward to working with the board positively, including the chair Mr Steve Wilson, on increasing and improving the future of Racing Queensland along with— (Time expired) "

Hinchy distances hiisself from Dr Forbes decision to resign ......did he have a choice?

And the question from Tim Nicholls who wants a guarantee.

"Eagle Farm Race Track
Mr NICHOLLS: My question is to the Minister for Racing. Will the minister guarantee the return
of regular racing at Eagle Farm by the end of this year and end the uncertainty over the future of racing
at Queensland’s premier racetrack?

Mr HINCHLIFFE: I welcome the member for Clayfield back to the arena. I welcome his question
on this matter after I raised it and after I put on the agenda my concern about the fact that the delivery
of the track at Eagle Farm has not occurred within the time line I was originally briefed on.

Let me make it clear that, relating to Racing Queensland and others involved in this project, as I
said yesterday in this House the blame game and the finger-pointing have to end. That is why I am not
going to reach back into the past to point out people relating to this issue with the track at Eagle Farm.
I am going to look forward—
Honourable members interjected.

Mr SPEAKER: Minister for Education, you are warned under the standing orders. Member for
Mermaid Beach, you are also warned. I call the minister.

Mr HINCHLIFFE: That is why I am so committed to receiving weekly briefings from Racing
Queensland about the state of the Eagle Farm track, commencing with a meeting that I will have today
with the chair, Steve Wilson, following briefings he will have this morning at the track.
 I will obviously go out and look at the track myself to check the progress and I will receive progress reports about the
track. As a result of my understanding of where things are, at this point I cannot give any confident
assurance about when racing will be back at Eagle Farm. What I have done, and what I will commit to,
is making sure that it will not come back until it is ready and we are confident that the track will last.


That is what occurred the last time, and that is why we are in the mess that we are in now. We need to
make sure that we get it absolutely right, and that is the assurance I will give to this House. That is the
assurance I will give to thoroughbred enthusiasts who love seeing racing at Eagle Farm right across
the length and bread of the state. That is what I will commit to.
From the House of Broken Dreams

22 Mar 2018 Questions Without Notice 677
I hope that the member for Clayfield joins us and works with us to make sure that this great iconic
facility, which is in his electorate, has the support to get it back to being right.
 It is very surprising that
the first time I heard from the member for Clayfield about the issue at Eagle Farm is here in the House
after I raised it yesterday. I have not had a letter, not a word, not a comment. "  ENDS

Tim's taken a vow of silence until now...Hinchey is doing his job they need to get on with it.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Mar-23, 10:25 AM
Is it agreed that the use of chicken manure caused the failure?

Who made the decision to be cheap.

We all know that the Minister's Office has final say in spending.

How about a politician come out and be honest for once and acknowledge fault at the political level instead of blaming everyone else.

They are quite happy to take photo opportunities at the Magic Millions but ask them to take ownership of a SERIOUS problem? No. They go scurrying like vermin filth to the nearest rathole they can find.

The only way this is going to move forward is if someone on the merry-go-around of Racing Ministers actually gets off and takes ownership.

It isn't that hard. You can do it Mr Minister.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2018-Mar-23, 07:22 PM
The chicken manure was part of the program supplied from Evergreen, they are turf farmers after all  :shutup:

The Qld shoe brigade wanted to tell you 'it will be right' but it was as plain as the nose on your face from day one that it was a disaster and no amount of ducking and weaving would negate that, gee's I could see that from a 1000kms away on the TV   :lol:

That's basic soil science 101 that you can't build a sand based track and bury it in organic matter expecting it to drain yet Qld managed to waste millions on this debacle  :wacko:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: ratsack on 2018-Mar-23, 08:16 PM
geeeeeees the new track at Newcastle raced beautifully yesterday 

75mm or there abouts in the 24hrs before the meeting

started on a slow , good track by race 4 ?

$11m spent 
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: arthur on 2018-Mar-23, 09:04 PM
Mackay WILL race Tuesday after a lot more . .

$7 - $8 million which included a brand new function centre



But if the miserable sods had made it about 2 or 3 horses wider . . it would have been the best track in Qld
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Jan-15, 01:17 PM
Sorry Stan that would have never happened.  :no:

I've well documented here what they did wrong (and I'm only watching from 1000kms away on TV) but they were stuffed once they continued on the maintenance program that was part of the contract, the only way out was to rip off the top of the track to rid the track of the organic layer they had created.

I have no reason to believe the track wasn't constructed properly and being sand based is fine if treated correctly but you can not use the same maintenance practices on sand based tracks that you have for the last 40 years on the original or conventional loam type surfaces.  :bulb:

Think of it like this, you have a virgin sand that is basically inert, no microflora or any of the goodies that help the profile cycle and break down organic matter but what do they do? They stick 1 tonne / ha of chicken manure fines every month over the damn thing (as per the program from the contractor) this creates a black pudgy layer that simply can not break down. This created an organic layer on the surface that capped the sand, this just promotes disease, weakening the plant, insect attack etc all while moisture can't move through so to compound it the roots wouldn't & didn't need to go deeper (all the moisture is stuck at the top remember) so it was like racing on a big pudgy sponge that the horses just tore out as there was no root development  :shutup:

Well what do you know? You control your thatch you control your moisture movement  :whistle:

1000km away behind a computer but what would I know eh?


 
c/racenet.com.au

Track specialist Mick Goodie is the man who helped save Eagle Farm and he is set to be rewarded by having his contract with Racing Queensland extended by another 12 months.

Former Flemington track manager Goodie was appointed as Racing Queensland’s senior track specialist last March and his 12-month contract is set to expire this March.

However Racenet can reveal Goodie’s contract with RQ is set to be extended for another 12 months, meaning he will be overseeing Eagle Farm during the crucial winter carnival period of Group I racedays.

The news is set to be well received in Queensland given that Eagle Farm and track curator Goodie received glowing praise when the state’s premier racetrack returned to action on December 22.

Before that Eagle Farm had been closed for much of the previous four years because of problems with its redevelopment.

They hadn’t raced at Eagle Farm since the track was shut down in 2017 with a litany of problems but Goodie was always optimistic he could help restore it to its one-time glory.

In its previous incarnation, one of the main issues with the Eagle Farm track was it turned into a bog with just a few drops of rain as it had major drainage issues.

Goodie was delighted with how the track was for its comeback day on December 22 and says it is in terrific shape again for its second raceday back, this coming Saturday.

He said the issue that he and track staff had to stay on top of was a top layer of thatch which had been an problem in the past.

“If we keep the thatch under control everything will be fine,” Goodie said.

“Thatch can build up very quickly and what we have to do as track managers is to keep the thatch open and porous so rain gets through it.

“Top dressing helps keep that layer porous and we have top-dressed and verti-drained since we last raced here and we have also given the grass a haircut.”

With a week of temperatures over 30 degrees forecast in Brisbane, Goodie says track staff will pump about 70mm of irrigation into Eagle Farm before the nine-race card on Saturday.

The rail on Saturday will be 2m out for the entire course after it was in the true position for its comeback raceday last month.

Goodie indicated the rail would probably continue to be moved out for future race meetings before it returned to the true.

Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jan-15, 04:03 PM
Let’s just hope that in  Micks new contract there’s a clause that he sticks to track maintenance not manipulation
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2020-Mar-25, 01:26 PM
The way they were ripping up the track in the first race today reminds me of the bad old days when it first re-opened.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Mar-28, 12:23 PM
I'd say there's a fair bit of scurrying going on in the back ground PP.

Unfortunately there is too many people who get a say in what gets done.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-May-25, 08:26 PM
‘Healthy’ surface on track

TRENTON AKERS

Racing Queensland CEO Brendan Parnell

THE Eagle Farm track is the “healthiest it has ever been” since its controversial renovation with Racing Queensland CEO Brendan Parnell adamant the surface will hold up to four Group 1 meetings in five weeks.

The firm surface has been one of the major talking points in the industry for more than six years but Parnell believes recent work to improve the cushion in the track has had the desired effect.

It will be almost a month between racing on the surface with the 7Victory Stakes on May 1 the last meeting held there.

“The turf is the healthiest it has ever been, it is much longer than last winter and there has been some cushioning done between the Victory Stakes meeting and this meeting so we are expecting improved cushion,” Parnell said.

“The rye grass which you sow through winter has come through strongly.”

With severe kickback one of the main concerns over the surface in the past, Parnell said significant work had gone into eradicating disease out of the roots in order to improve its strength.

“In March last year disease got into the roots,” he said. “Normally you wouldn’t do a big renovation before the carnival but we had to get the disease out.

“That set us back a period of time and we got through with a shorter grass length with the focus on getting the disease out.

“The disease is all out and the root health is the best it has ever been as a result. A year ago it was a bit frail and the grass was shorter, this year it is not frail and the grass is longer and the rye grass is stronger.”

It comes as master trainer Chris Waller said he is hoping for a thick covering of grass on the Eagle Farm track this week as he prepares to set a team of at least five for the Queensland Derby on Saturday.

Waller confirmed he has not held any horses back over fears about the track and is set to have the weight of numbers on his side in the $600,000 Group 1.

“I hope they have got plenty of grass on it. If there is plenty of grass it might just help create some middle ground,” he said.

”I am hearing that it is looking better and I am just going to hope that is the case because we need it to be performing as a world-class facility to get the confidence everyone in the industry.

“We can only speak positively now, racing is in a good space at the moment.”

Waller is preparing a team of at least five for the Derby with Achiever, Bucharest, Fortified, Kukeracha and Senor Toba all expected to run.

After winning the race in 2013 with Hawkspur, Waller is taking his strongest team to the race since then.

Ranch Hand also returns in the Group 2 Sires’ Produce Stakes (1400m) who looks to improve off his first-up run on the Gold Coast two weeks ago.

After getting caught on the wrong part of the track, he fought on well and Waller believes despite being one of the early favourites for the Magic Millions this year, he is a latematuring horse.

“His run on the Gold Coast was very good,” Waller said. “He is a later maturing twoyear-old, even three-year-old so what he was doing as an early two-year-old was good I thought.”

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Jun-06, 07:22 AM
About the nicest thing you could say about Eagle Farm and that is "it's terrible".....and it looks terrible.
There is one thing consistent thing about a botch.....no amount of spin or remedial work can ever repair a botch.
I'm really surprised that anyone want any of their horses racing on it .....let alone the very good ones.

A week after taking down two of Australia's top sprinters, Gytrash and Savatiano, this week it takes out another headliner in Media Award.

12 months ago Kinane was a "headliner"
I was more than interested this week reading about Kinane.
The original trainer, C Waller told his current trainer M Kent to have the horse checked out for bone-bruising.
C Waller would know because he raced Kinane on that piece of concrete 12 months ago.
While Mick Kent might want to refer to Kinane's current condition as "Caulfield-itis".
Let's not kid ourselves about bone bruising......it's not "Eagle Farm-itis" or "Flemington-itis"......bone bruising is in fact micro-fractures.

There have been some great winter gallopers in the past ploughing through the mud....just history now!  >:(
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: wily ole dog on 2021-Jun-06, 09:32 AM
Nem, I missed the news, why was EF responsible for Media Award not running?
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2021-Jun-06, 11:39 AM
Wily - connections galloped her on the track through the week, she pulled up sore. When questioned why he was blaming the track the trainer said he was just lining up with others.  :shrug:

Didn't seem to bother Duais who looked like she could go again considering the ease she put them away.

Pretty sure it was Ryan Wiggins who took to twitter yesterday to say the track has raced perfect since the renos a few months back.

There's no doubt they made some stuff ups right from the start (I've long documented that here) but they have also come a long way and continue to learn how they need to treat it.

Personally it was madness planting a variety of couch that doesn't get the height required to provide the cushion kikuyu does. :bulb:



Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Jun-06, 11:51 AM
Media Award was lame before the race that's why it wasn't allowed to start ..as far as I know it has not raced recently at Eagle Farm  possibly never set foot on it on raceday.
I don't know anything about tracks not many do from my observations it's a specialist field ..my golf club's green superintendent is a true professional..he's the only one in this field that I know....  There are critics of EF's firmness it races well after rain there was rain on Thursday I don't know what irrigation if any is/was put on the track this week ..I think the wider it was suited the late finishers although without checking the times were nothing flash.The first winner INCENTIVISE is a horse with a future he bounded away from them.
Tramonto one of my favourite horses was handicapped by the inside seemingly slower than out wide he tried his heart out and his having a break his trainer said he pulled up fine.

Giddy Up  :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Jun-06, 12:06 PM

Media Award

Media Award (Image: Racing Photos)
Owner: Farm surface too firm

Andrew Eddy@fastisheddy

5 June, 2021
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The Eagle Farm course proper and grass training track have come under fire after Media Award was denied the chance of a second Group 1 Oaks wins when she was ruled out of the Queensland Oaks on Saturday morning.

Part-owner of the filly Andrew Vinecombe told Racing.com on Saturday morning that it is understood Media Award injured herself while working at Eagle Farm either on the course proper last Friday morning or on Tuesday morning when galloping on the A-grass.

"We went up there without a race so we can only put it down to the surface," Vinecombe said. "It was way too hard for that track gallop on Tuesday and it’s a bit disappointing that we’ve got Group 1 racing but they haven’t produced a Group 1 track for trackwork.

"I am just lining up with some other people this week that have probably had a bit to say about the track. It’s not ideal they are not producing group 1 tracks for Group 1 racing and trackwork." ENDS


The truth is the track is a botch-up....always has been!
People are "punished" for speaking the truth in this industry!

A thin layered soft piece on the top does not constitute "give" for a 500 kg animal.

Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: wily ole dog on 2021-Jun-06, 01:01 PM
Cheers guys
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Jun-06, 01:36 PM
Eagle Farm yesterday was presented with 24 mls of irrigation for the week and 11.5 mls of rain on Thursday.
On one of it feature days the result was yesterday.....what would be wrong with a soft 6, which is what that fantastically performing track across the road would have probably provided.
What does that surface say for Eagle Farm in the summer months......strike me pink!.... the moisture doesn't even have time to say "hello" to the grass roots.

There are no "remedies" for a botch-up.....if there are then let's hear what they are.

As people who have been so badly burnt by their "off the plan" purchases, find out.....if the foundation is botched, no amount of "No more gaps" in the cracks is going to do anything more than hide the problem for a while.

What a fail!
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Jun-06, 04:26 PM
The potential of an overly firm track for Saturday’s long-awaited Stradbroke Handicap day in Brisbane is not just a concern for connections of new boom horse Zaaki but also for some of the import’s potential rivals.

Trainers Anthony and Sam Freedman have three of the 17 entries for the inaugural $1.2 million Q22 (2200m) at Eagle Farm, but their places in the weight-for-age race are yet to be confirmed as connections keep an eye on conditions this week.

"Without going on about the track, it has been very firm and most of ours enjoy a bit of cut in the ground, so we don’t want to ruin them on a firm track,’’ Sam Freedman said from Queensland on Sunday.

"There is a bit of rain (forecast) during the week, but I think with that track, it drains too well, so we’ve got a few decisions to make.’’

The Freedman stable has Q22 entries for Homesman, Warning and for the import Le Don De Vie.

Zaaki is the $1.60 favourite for the race off the back of an effortless Doomben Cup victory but his trainer Annabel Neasham has already signalled her concerns about the track by pleading to track managers to ensure more water is put on the track this week in the lead-up to Queensland Racing’s biggest race day.

Freedman conceded the $1.2 million prize is a ‘’big carrot’’ to chase at this time of year so the stable is likely to be represented.

"Warning is likely to run,’’ he said.

"Le Don De Vie, for him we might look at an option a week later with the Ipswich Cup and then races like the Caloundra Cup.

"Homesman, he could potentially run in the Q22 or the mile race (Wayne Wilson Classic at weight-for-age) on the same day, so we’ve got a few decisions to make.
Ends.

Here is a piece from Andrew Eddy.
Forgive me but isn't Sam Freedman saying exactly what I am saying?

Young Sam comes across as a very smart fellow.....take note of the word "RUIN"
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: gunbower on 2021-Jun-06, 08:20 PM
The Freedmans have a long History in attempting to demand what sort of track they want for their animals. Sounds like this young whipper snapper is reading from the same prayer book. Who really gives a toss about what he demands?
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Jun-06, 09:12 PM
Strewth, Gunbower.....3 sentences and 3 falsehoods.
I can only recall once the Freedman Bros were after a softish track for their Desert King mare.....she was after all the headline act.
Looked up the term "whipper snapper" today after calling my young grandson one  :lol: ...you might need to refresh your memory about just what a "Whipper snapper" is!
Demand???.... I'm not seeing a demand.....I see a dilemma......if the race was at Doomben we wouldn't even be having this discussion!
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: fours on 2021-Jun-06, 09:45 PM
Hmmm,

I recall comments for Makybe Diva to get the diva treatment.

Fours
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Jun-07, 07:12 AM
Last time I looked fours, Makybe Diva was the only headline act Desert King mare the Freedmans ever had!
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: fours on 2021-Jun-07, 08:57 AM
nemisis,

If you only get one then a 3 time MC winner will do nicely.

Fours
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: gunbower on 2021-Jun-07, 08:32 PM
Gee Nemisis you are being a bit rough. This is the dictionary definition of "Whipper Snapper " ;

 "a young and inexperienced person considered to be presumptuous or overconfident." Seems to sum up the young fella pretty well.
As for your comment re "headline act ": I thought that was the whole purpose of handicap racing -there are not meant to be so called "headline acts " -handicap racing by definition implies a level playing field.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Jun-07, 09:57 PM
The problem is Gunbower, it's a derogatory term.
It was funny how it bobbed up on here  because I called my grandson that yesterday when we were kicking the ball..I looked up it's origin.
I decided I'll never use the term again.

Sam Freedman is a partner with his father...I'm certain his dad is really grateful to have his son alongside him doing all the things he has grown tired of.
Let's not knock people for being articulate and confident.

It was no-one from the Freedman stable's fault that had Racing Victoria craving the sort of world headlines the great mare did indeed deliver.
That track was prepared on the orders of someone at the top.....little like Randwick the other week.
However you do reap what you sow, so they now have to deal with the Anthony Van Dyck dangling leg headlines.

Horse welfare first......all the rest can just follow!   emthup  
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Jun-11, 11:44 AM
I'll be interested to see how much irrigation is applied to this track tomorrow.
Not much rain on the radar so a bit of a test to see if they can provide a "safe" surface because a safe surface for horses is all that is being asked.

There are a couple of firm trackers I like so I will have a couple of e/w bets.
Mark Newnham's big Nathaniel fellow can really find the line on firm ground and I Am Superman seems to be good on it as well.

Safe travel for all the horses .
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Peter Mair on 2021-Jun-11, 12:32 PM


A 'FAST' ANGLE IN THE OLD DAYS


...................... when nature was allowed to take its course, regognizing an unexpected track rating was reliably a winning angle .............. especially when it became clear, from the times and sectionals, that the track was 'fast'.

A quick look at the Sportsman form summaries pinpointed the  favoured ones.

...................... the Farm being what it is, it may be hard and fast again tomorrow if, as suggested, watering can make it harder.

These days there are no stats for 'fast track' form .............. those that know their way around may like to try their hand at finding them ... and let us know.

Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Jun-11, 01:16 PM
What has happened to Eagle Farm is a bit like someone demolishing a beautiful old heritage building .....putting up a red textured brick building with aluminum windows on dodgy footings and expecting to be praised.
Regular and proper maintenance was all that was ever needed on the original surface.
It's not necessarily firm trackers we are looking for, we now have to find horses that are willing to let down on a free draining and compacted sand surface.....and then live to tell the tale.

Surely there would be some nervous committee members tomorrow.....they've got good horses there.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Jun-11, 07:12 PM
Wednesday was cold and windy so bad I didn't play golf the wind will dry out the track and with hardly any rain the irrigation will need to be increased to avoid injuries.

Stradbroke Day is our premium meeting so good luck to all the participants..

Anyone looking for a Tip I know we can all pick our own winners/losers  but Tony Gollan who is a very good judge gave his best chances in his The Final Gallop video  on SKY Thursday night ..... thinks Garibaldi is his best chance .....and of his two Stradbroke runners he thinks Vega One his best EW chance on the day.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Jul-23, 09:02 AM
Track in need of turfing: trainers
BEN DORRIES
A GROWING number of trainers believe the troubled Eagle Farm track must be ripped up again, as it emerged the Brisbane Racing Club will refuse to take back the management of the track from Racing Queensland next month.

The flint-hard Eagle Farm surface has again flared into a major drama and it was an embarrassment to the Queensland racing industry when horse numbers were so limited at Wednesday’s meeting that there were only 47 starters in total across just six races.

By contrast, the bush meeting on the sand track at Gympie last Saturday attracted 56 starters across its six-race card. Late in the day on Wednesday, a posse of trainers met behind closed doors at Eagle Farm and there was almost unanimous agreement that the track must be ripped up for the third time. Racenet has spoken to several of these trainers.

The trainers are also armed with support from several bigname Sydney trainers who privately say the Queensland winter carnival was a success only because of the reputable Doomben track.

While Eagle Farm managed to get through the winter carnival despite its issues, increasing numbers of trainers are now limiting the horses they race at Eagle Farm and some are contemplating whether to race horses there at all.

There will be a crisis meeting between trainers and other industry participants, potentially as soon as next week, which will involve both Racing Queensland and the Brisbane Racing Club and possible solutions will be thrashed out.

It is understood participants have been told that if the track is to be ripped up it cannot happen until after next year’s winter carnival as the huge expanse of kikuyu grass needed for the project would need significant time to grow.

The management of the controversial track was due to be handed back from RQ to the BRC next month but BRC chairman Neville Bell says the BRC will refuse to take it back.

“We can’t consider taking the management of the track back as it currently is,” Bell told Racenet. “It is not up to standard, so we won’t take it back.

“The BRC has been working with RQ on the management of this track for two years now.

“There is a meeting next week with stakeholders and RQ to assess where the track is now and the next steps.”

The Australian Trainers’ Association’s Queensland representative, Cameron Partington, said: “We are having ongoing discussions with our members about the recent and current performance of the Eagle Farm track.

“At this stage we are not in a position to comment, as we don’t wish to unduly influence the further discussions and negotiations over the coming weeks with RQ and the BRC regarding the future plans for Eagle Farm.”

The latest drama comes only seven months after a crisis meeting was called over the Eagle Farm track in January, prompted by what trainers said was a series of botched renovations and refurbishments dating back to 2014.

In that time there have been a series of complaints about various incarnations of the Eagle Farm track, but the latest issue is it is so hard horses simply don’t let down there while others pull up with injuries.

ENDS

After all the renovations and the second round of  closure and renovation it has to be done again  this is  really  looks like a lawsuit in waiting. :sad:

Giddy Up :beer:

Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2021-Jul-23, 10:23 PM


After all the renovations and the second round of  closure and renovation it has to be done again  this is  really  looks like a lawsuit in waiting. :sad:

Giddy Up :beer:

Law suit   :lol:

They have a report from the Melbourne man recommending the use of Couch, couch struggles to get the height, nor the thatch or cushion you can get out of Kikuyu, you probably could have got away with the firmness issues from the sand if you had a Kikuyu surface but the combination of the couch & the firmness and you've got problems.  :bulb:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Jul-24, 09:23 AM
Everywhere you look these tree draining, compacted sand tracks are a fail
All they do  is make sure the abattoirs and un-regulated knackeries have a constant supply.

It would not matter where the horses are bred.....Japan, NZ, USA, UK or Australia....no horses have been bred anywhere to race on a surface that could probably attain a 100% compaction....that's what required under motorways.....no wonder the grass can't grow.....just put some loam back into it.
It was always about a low maintenance .... never about welfare......painted concrete is very low maintenance.

Flemington....the great father of this idea.....now horses have to undergo nuclear medicine, just for the "privilege" of racing on it when the eyes of the world are watching.

Poor bloody horses! :sad:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2021-Jul-24, 10:32 AM
It's not that simple Nemisis.

There's probably more maintenance that goes into a sand based playing surface than a native or push up one.

It's not 'sand' in general, it's the shape of the sand used, too far in the spec to the angular nature and it will 'lock' together like you are seeing at EF, too far the other way with 'rounded' and it will just shift under foot and not hold together at all.

FWIW - watching from a distance, there's too many people involved, too many voices all wanting to be seen to be doing something. There's not a straight structure on the maintenance and running of the tracks. Put one bloke in charge & leave him alone to let him do his work  :bulb:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: wily ole dog on 2021-Jul-25, 12:08 PM
“ Put one bloke in charge & leave him alone to let him do his work  :bulb:”

As long as it’s not Mick Goodie  :lol:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Jul-25, 12:23 PM
I've never understood the vilification of Mick Goodie.
The villains here are those who wrote the specifications for these surfaces.
The curator can only deal with what he has been given.

Funny thing was I felt that the track Mick produced for the 2017 Cup carnival was half decent.....at least for Flemington.....no fatalities that year and then he was shafted.
The track was a lot better than the piece of concrete that buggered Rekindling in the Australian Cup in the Autumn.

In the words of the famous PM....Might well we say"God save the Queen" because nothing will save Eagle Farm
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: wily ole dog on 2021-Jul-25, 01:08 PM
I've never understood the vilification of Mick Goodie.[/b]


Well he specialised in doctoring tracks
Remember his decision to aerate Flemington a few years back creating a fast lane on Newmarket day?

One of the most idiotic decisions in racing. Even out mate Mair picked it up from memory   :lol:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Jul-25, 05:00 PM
He did fess up though Wily.....you know the old saying 'Show me the man who never made a mistake and I'll show you the man who doesn't do anything
A reasonable question would be  why he felt he needed to do some surgery.

The real doctoring of Flemington occurred in 2006.....a perfectly good track was replaced with a dodgy one.
All the years prior, the Melbourne Cup was a famous race.....since then, when the surface is hard, it's become famous for horse deaths and breakdowns.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Peter Mair on 2021-Jul-25, 08:05 PM



.......................... who was responsible for TEARS I CRY ................ in a race where the F4 paid 'one million' ................  Flemington has never been the same after what was done then.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: gunbower on 2021-Jul-25, 08:12 PM
Do you have a problem with substance abuse or are you simply a moron ?
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Jul-25, 08:40 PM
Just for you Peter M. May it bring back fond memories.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=40HXkzXDInU
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Peter Mair on 2021-Jul-25, 10:27 PM


Thanks Jeunes,

.................. at a family wedding that day ........... an ear phone discreetly in my ear ............ I was rocked ............. the tears started after the post mortem on the Sunday.

Something went wrong at RVL around that time ........... we 'lost' ........... threw away .............the best racing franchise in the world.

Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Jul-26, 08:17 AM

Something went wrong at RVL around that time ........... we 'lost' ........... threw away .............the best racing franchise in the world.
As I said Peter, Flemington did go wrong in 2006, dug up and threw away a racetrack that was famous.....one of the best in the world.
Trying to be "obliging" for all the "big" players who demand firm racing surfaces.
How bloody sad!

Even sadder for Eagle Farm who also bought this nonsense.
Wasn't even working in Victoria.
Now all they have to do is cross the road with a coring machine.....analyse it and replicate it.....problem over......just a hell lot of money down the drain.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2021-Jul-26, 03:42 PM
“ Put one bloke in charge & leave him alone to let him do his work  :bulb:”

As long as it’s not Mick Goodie  :lol:

Mick's ok, he's just long in the tooth and hasn't really moved with modern times.


 

The villains here are those who wrote the specifications for these surfaces.


The stupidity did start when they brought in a bloke to review and make recommendations from Victoria who was an administrator and had no turf knowledge. The couch surface is a direct result of this madness.

It mightn't be the specs per say, but did the construction actual fall in the guide lines with what was signed off on?  :chin:  :shrug:



Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Villa on 2021-Jul-26, 09:51 PM
Wouldn’t matter who it was. Mick Goodie was on a hiding to nothing. Eagle Farm was bound by contract to the company that was engaged to reconstruct the surface when Goodie was employed on contract. Eagle Farm couldn’t afford to pay that company out and farrrk them off and move forward. Goodie (under duress) had to work with the mess they created. Fact
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2021-Jul-27, 10:52 PM
From memory that sounds pretty close.

I'm amazed they got a 2nd bite at the cherry. I've seen that same mob build a regional stadium which has a 12 month maintenance contract that you had to follow (pretty much the same MO that got EF in the  :crap: the first time around) where this brand new, sand based sports field had to be hollow cored monthly with the cores rubbed back in and fertilised (basically topdressed) in a tonne of chicken manure per ha.

It's turf farmer mentality and ok if you want to turn over paddocks frequently but it's the quickest way to ruin a sand based profile  :bulb:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Jul-28, 08:29 AM
It's just absolute time for everyone to admit.....Sand Based Profiles don't work.....it's just  straight out animal cruelty.

Flemington with its absurd "nuclear medicine" demands for it's biggest race.
You only have to look at Eagle Farm to see the failure there......horses winning races on the strip where the ambulance comes down. :what:
At least RV did not waste any more time and money on Seymour, when it became clear and obvious.

Generic horse image
Seymour track to be reconstructed
RV_Author

Racing Victoria Staff@RacingVictoria

30 December, 2020
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Racing Victoria (RV), Country Racing Victoria (CRV) and the Seymour Racing Club (SRC) have today announced their intention to reconstruct the Seymour racetrack.

 

The decision has been made to end the ongoing uncertainty for the industry and local community around the future performance of the track and its ability to host scheduled race meetings.

 

Seymour has encountered issues around stability and consistency of year-round performance following its reconstruction in 2015-16. A renovation was undertaken in early 2020 to re-introduce warm climate kikuyu grass which was expected to consolidate across a full summer growing period.

 

Despite making progress over spring, the track has not yet reached an acceptable standard and whilst it would be expected to improve into 2021, RV, CRV and SRC agree that it is now time to provide the industry with greater certainty around the track.

 

In light of the issues experienced with stability, the reconstructed track will be built on a more traditional loam-based profile than the predominantly sand-based profile which was installed in 2015-16 to enhance drainage among other benefits.

 

The Tracks Advisory Panel has assisted RV, CRV and SRC in the evaluation process, along with respected turf consultant Peter Anderson from SportsTurf. In addition, Sandown Racecourse Manager, Tim Bailey, has been engaged to oversee the implementation of the project to reconstruct the track.

 

The reconstruction will commence in the opening quarter of 2021 with racing not expected to resume before the spring of 2022 and only when the track has appropriately consolidated.
ENDS
 You could be reading about Flemington reading this....."enhance drainage and other benefits" emthdown

Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Jul-28, 05:54 PM
New date for crisis meeting
BEN DORRIES

A PIVOTAL meeting between key industry stakeholders over the future of the troubled Eagle Farm track has been pushed back a week.

Representatives of trainers and jockeys are poised to meet with Racing Queensland and Brisbane Racing Club bosses to voice their concerns and work out the next step for the controversial surface.

There are growing demands for the track to be ripped up for a third time, with the “overwhelming majority” of trainers pitching for that option.

The Australian Trainers’ Association’s Queensland management has asked trainers to vote on the solution going forward ahead of another industry crisis meeting involving racing officials.

That meeting had been scheduled for tomorrow but it is now likely be held on Thursday next week so Racing Queensland CEO Brendan Parnell and other key industry movers and shakers can attend.

In a radio interview on Monday, Parnell did not rule out opting to tear up the track again but said there was no quick fix and any track replacement process would take at least a year.

ENDS

Driving to golf today I heard RadioTAB  Steve Hewlett let on that Toowoomba trainer Steve Tregea had come up with a solution to fixing EF without digging it up........ from what I could gather the solution is to spread topsoil ( I don't recall what type )on the surface and sow Kikuya seed which would take about 6 months from Spring ...more tomorrow on the radio about the idea.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: ratsack on 2021-Jul-28, 07:52 PM
https://strathayrsolutions.com/case-studies-entries/newcastle-jockey-club/


the answer ?  too late now ?
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2021-Jul-28, 08:47 PM
Never too late Rats, they have the runs on the board.

New course manager heading to Newcastle too - Chris Nation heading back to NSW after a stint in the West.

Good operator IMHO
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: ratsack on 2021-Jul-28, 09:05 PM
Never too late Rats, they have the runs on the board.

New course manager heading to Newcastle too - Chris Nation heading back to NSW after a stint in the West.

Good operator IMHO

The track at Newcastle seems to work for mine , was suggesting they should have used them for Eagle Farm ?

I haven't heard of him although it doesn't matter to me anymore as i don't have any horses running,    :sad:  so therefore don't go to the races
Good luck to him , he has something really good to work with      emthup
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: sobig on 2021-Jul-28, 09:40 PM
Nation did an excellent job in Perth and is very well respected by all the industry
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: wily ole dog on 2021-Jul-29, 08:44 AM
I haven’t seen a meeting on the Beaumont track for ages. Have I missed something?
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2021-Jul-29, 10:21 PM
The track at Newcastle seems to work for mine , was suggesting they should have used them for Eagle Farm ?


Exactly - they are well respected, good operators.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Jul-30, 08:48 PM
QUEENSLAND racing officials are pinning their hopes on the beleaguered Eagle Farm surface following the same profile as the Townsville track, which took “five years to fully mature”, a parliamentary estimates inquiry has heard.

Fronting questions from the Opposition, Queensland Racing Minister Grace Grace said she is “aware” of recent discussions over the firmness of the sand-based Eagle Firm surface but added she received “nothing but positive feedback” throughout the winter carnival from trainers, jockeys and owners.

“My understanding is the track for most of that (winter carnival) time … was graded as a Good 4 for most of the races at Eagle Farm,” she said, while also adding she had walked the track before the winter carnival.

“However I am aware of recent discussions regarding the track surface and management moving forward.

“I know Townsville went through a similar situation as this and after the third year their track came very good.”

It comes as it was revealed $13.7m had been spent on the surface across two rebuilds which span across seven years.

Racing originally stopped at Eagle Farm in August 2014 for a renovation before returning to racing in June 2016. After botching the original rebuild, the track was again ripped up in May 2017 and returned to racing on the current surface in December 2018.

While there are growing calls to again rip the surface up and start again, Grace said the current Eagle Farm track was in better shape than its predecessors.

“I understand the performance of the track continues to create discussion within the industry, my understanding is the basis for improving are very good,” she said.

“The root structure is not like when we had to rip it up previously. There isn’t that thatching there that was there before which required a complete upheaval.

“We understand it is similar to Townsville and I have met with the Townsville people who said: ‘Minister, it does take a while longer’, we are nearly into that period of time post Stradbroke season where we are looking to see this grass firm up.”

Racing Queensland chief executive Brendan Parnell maintained the track is “safe” and that the “root system is the healthiest it has been”.

“Our Minister referred to the Townsville racetrack which is a very similar construction – a sand-based profile with the same couch grass – and that took five years to fully mature,” he said.

ENDS

Will  see if the Estimates Hearing is worth posting .

Giddy Up :beer:

Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: gunbower on 2021-Jul-30, 08:55 PM
Isn't the esteemed Minister a family member of that wonderful Bellino family. Naturally I concur with everything she has to say.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Jul-30, 09:52 PM
https://tv.parliament.qld.gov.au/?reference=0Mba20210729_123023

Estimates Hearing RACING ...do try not to nod off.    :lol:  

Pretty Tame no reference to th outdated appeals system ..no questions to the QRIC acting commissioner or the the rep of Ag & Fish...... the opposition needs to be more proactive looks like the member forSurers Paradise has got the flick as racing opposition spokesperson ...Tim Mander LNP Everton must be the go to guy now.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Aug-17, 08:31 AM
https://www.racenet.com.au/news/richard-freedman-urges-officials-to-keep-eagle-farm-simple-ahead-of-meeting-20210816

This was an interesting read for mine.
Richard could have been reading some of my comments  emthup

Rip this garbage race track up and put back the old one.

Down goes Paths of Glory....retired?...to a safe place, I hope! 
Paths of Glory fulfilled all his obligations to the racing industry.....didn't he?
Could really gallop and yet the pathetic racing industry can't even provide a half decent surface for a horse to gallop on. emthdown
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Aug-17, 06:41 PM
I think Richard might have been involved with TURNPOINT some years ago ..it's only a vague memory and I don't recall any details.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: gunbower on 2021-Aug-17, 07:22 PM
Arsenal you are correct . He was involved with that group. As usual : much of what Richard says reeks of commonsense. RQ could do a lot worse than get him on board to fix up this mess.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: nemisis on 2021-Aug-17, 07:44 PM
My memory of Turnpoint is that the surface they supplied for Kensington, way back when, was in fact a bit of a fail.

I think Richard like most people now have realised these "wonder sand tracks" are a disaster......hence the language there.
Let's just go back and accept that horse racing is an outdoor event and therefore in the lap of the weather gods.

Good on him for putting a name to a horse that the track has crippled and the "can't be tolerated"
Just straight out animal cruelty.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Peter Mair on 2021-Aug-17, 08:24 PM


................. not sure Turnpoint was a career highlight for RF
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Aug-20, 09:15 AM
D-Day for Eagle Farm
COMMENT
BEN DORRIES
Tear up track and start again

RACING Queensland chief executive Brendan Parnell faces the most significant test of his leadership at a crunch meeting today with industry representatives over the Eagle Farm track.

A track boycott is looming as a possibility if industry participants don’t get the solutions they want.

Trainers, jockeys, breeders and owners are fed up with lip service being paid to the dreadful state of affairs which has seen Eagle Farm in the wars since 2014.

They were flabbergasted when they heard Queensland Racing Minister Grace Grace insist in parliamentary estimates recently that she received “nothing but positive feedback” about the Eagle Farm track performance during the winter carnival.

One of the biggest issues in racing in Queensland is it is so closely tied to the whims of government, whose last priority often seems to be racing.

Let’s face facts. While it has had moments where it has been “OK”, the Eagle Farm track has been mostly a shambles for the past seven years.

In its various incarnations it has been too soft, too hard, had the wrong grass and the wrong profile.

There is now zero confidence in the joint. That can’t be attributed to the current track management who are trying to sort out the mess inherited from cost-cutting and shortsighted decisions made by previous administrations. When Parnell was appointed in 2018, he became the seventh person to fill the CEO role at RQ on a full-time or interim basis in the space of seven years.

Tensions have been spiking over the Eagle Farm track situation since the crisis meetings in January when the industry accepted the need for some Band-Aid solutions to manage the track through to the winter carnival. But the bottom line is the industry doesn’t deserve a moderate and often substandard Eagle Farm track. They want a brilliant Eagle Farm surface, which it was for more than 100 years.

If Parnell doesn’t promise a forever fix for Eagle Farm at today’s meeting, and make good on delivering it, the next period of racing in Queensland could be one of the most volatile ever.

It is time for Parnell to show what he stands for. Eagle Farm is Queensland’s most important racing asset. There must be an agreement struck to tear up the track and construct a new surface to take it back to its glory days.

ENDS

Looks like a dun deal .......which experts will be selected to redo the work undertaken on previous expert advice ...and nothing further has been heard of the idea reportedly coming from Steve Tregea who offered another solution lay a particular type of topsoil and sow kikuya grass seeds likely take 6 months to complete.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: timw on 2021-Aug-20, 10:51 AM
I have never understood queenslanders and never want to live there but it seems to me that if you struggle to grow grass there how can you run even a half decent olympics. I think cash plash joshie (our esteemed treasurer) ought to print an extra 20 billion while the money presses are running so that we can bail out queensland after the olympics.   

Cheers
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Aug-21, 11:13 AM
EAGLE FARM NEW SURFACE LIKELY
TRENTON AKERS

EAGLE Farm will become a kikuyugrass surface under a proposal by Racing Queensland following a highlevel meeting with industry participants on Friday.

RQ chief executive Brendan Parnell took the proposal to the meeting, which would have the couch grass removed in favour of the more resistant kikuyu after the 2022 winter carnival.

Parnell said a number of independent experts sat in on the meeting to offer their support for the change, saying the profile of the track did not need to be dramatically changed.

Instead of a full rebuild, loam will be added to the existing sand before laying the kikuyu grass which is expected to be stronger during the winter – Brisbane’s showcase period.

It is expected test plots would be done at Eagle Farm shortly.


“We knew what the industry’s concerns were and we always said we would sit down after the winter and review what the track’s performance looks like,” Parnell said.

“There was acknowledgment the cushion, so the profile, has improved, however, more work is required to get it to the state we all want it to be in.

“We put forward some scenarios and what they look like. It will require some further changes.

“We engaged some global luminaries who are independent of Eagle Farm and RQ to express their views and endorse the way forward this morning.

“They have advised on everything from Flemington to Happy Valley, Sha Tin and the new track in China.”

The move, if accepted by industry and respective racing boards, would be the latest in a long line of fixes for the surface that was first ripped up back in 2014.

It is expected an announcement will be made within a month, if the proposal is signed off on by the respective boards.

In the meeting, it was made clear jockeys felt there were no safety issues with the surface, but estimated about 70 per cent of horses failed to perform at their best due to the rockhard nature of the track.

The Queensland arm of the Australian Trainers Association said the meeting was one of the most productive yet, with officials finally conceding the track was not fit for purpose.

“It was a very productive meeting,” ATA representative Cameron Partington said.

“We are very pleased that Racing Queensland is finally acknowledging the track needs to be fixed.

“We are no longer arguing over the viability of the current track, we are now talking about the solutions, which is the main thing.”
ENDS

Sounds very much like Steve Tregea's solution ...still a long way to go 2022.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2021-Aug-21, 11:35 AM
Resistant?

Interesting word, not sure that's the right description but I said earlier, the couch laid simply couldn't get to the height required to provide a decent cushion. You only had to lean on the fence and look over to see a moonscape of puffy toughs as they were trying to encourage the height into the surface. Couch just isn't designed to do that and would take years to build it's own organic thatch layer.

It's the right call though even if the explanation isn't exactly on point.
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Arsenal on 2021-Sep-10, 09:34 AM
Stakeholders want fresh expert opinions on Eagle Farm debacle
TRENTON AKERS

QUEENSLAND racing participants are calling on the governing body to have their proposal to overhaul the Eagle Farm track examined by independent experts who have not been used on the project before.

Racing Queensland last month put a proposal to the industry which would see the grass replaced with a tougher kikuyu version in an attempt to alleviate concerns over the firmness of the surface.

While there was significant satisfaction following the stakeholder meeting three weeks ago after Racing Queensland acknowledged work needed to be done, details have been scarce since, with many also questioning the potential cost.

Cameron Partington, from the Queensland arm of the Australian Trainers Association, said they were taking an open mind into discussions about the track but would like to see precise details on what would be involved in replacing the grass and whether it would have the desired outcome.

“We have requested and are waiting on more detail for the proposal along with an independent overview to ensure the best possible outcome for Eagle Farm,” he said.

While Racing Queensland provided four experts to talk during their stakeholder meeting, there is a growing push from those in the industry to have another expert view the plans.

It is understood the Brisbane Racing Club has similarly asked for added details surrounding the rebuild but are in principle encouraged by the concept put to them.

Racing Queensland chief executive Brendan Parnell said fine details on the rebuild were being pulled together while working closely with the BRC and State Government.

“The work is continuing between us and the BRC and that work will include an independent peer review,” Parnell said, indicating it would be one of the experts who attended the stakeholder meeting.

Racing Minister Grace Grace said she expected to be briefed on the possible options as to what Eagle Farm would look like.

“We all want Eagle Farm to race well, so I expect options to be considered and to be briefed on these moving forward,” she said.

Having undergone two rebuilds in the space of seven years, participants say they simply cannot afford to have Queensland’s premier facility misfiring a third time.


ENDS


Giddy Up :beer:
Title: EAGLE FARM TRACK - NEARLY 12 MONTHS AFTER THE HYPE
Post by: Gintara on 2021-Sep-11, 10:42 AM
Is that like the last time they had old mate from Melb recommend couch  :dry: