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« 2014-Oct-30, 04:36 PM Reply #150 »
Just watched 10's coverage of this Cunneen saga.

Much respected and admired?

Exactly where is this respect and admiration validly documented?

Then 10's roving reporters probed gowned and wigged dues presumably to gauge said respect and admiration.

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Catch my drift?

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« 2014-Oct-30, 05:08 PM Reply #151 »
Channel 9 has just upped the ante.

"Margaret Cunneen is very well respected".

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« 2014-Oct-31, 07:00 AM Reply #152 »
There seem to be 2 opposing views on this saga.

Chris Murphy and Kate McClymont who haven't always seen eye to eye on some matters, seem not to opposed as to the serious implications of this one.

Kate's giving the sold out Andrew Ollie memorial lecture tonight. Wonder if some part of that will include this latest episode.

Her references to Fletcher below contain some updates on the PIC inquiry which seems to be dragging out the denoument.




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The 55-year-old's long-running friendship with Steve Fletcher, one of the nation's biggest gamblers and a person with underworld connections, has raised eyebrows in legal circles.

Mr Fletcher, who employed Ms Cunneen's son Stephen, was the subject of a Police Integrity Commission inquiry which investigated Mr Fletcher's use of the identities of many NSW police officers to open hundreds of betting accounts to disguise his betting activities after he was banned from placing bets with many internet betting agencies.

Ms Cunneen introduced Mr Fletcher to one of the detectives embroiled in the PIC inquiry, homicide detective Tony "Soup" Williams. The detective, Mr Fletcher and Mr Wyllie enjoyed a gambling jaunt to Las Vegas for Mr Wyllie's 21st birthday.

One police officer told the PIC inquiry that he was aware of "whispers" that Mr Fletcher corruptly used inside information in his betting activities.

Although the final report in Operation Montecristo is yet to be released, the PIC's annual report says three people involved in the inquiry have been referred to the Director of Public Prosecutions for possible criminal charges. There was no criticism of Ms Cunneen at the PIC.

Mr Fletcher, who bets up to $1 million a week, was disqualified from betting for a year by Racing Queensland after an investigation found he had prior knowledge that a jockey would ride to lose. The inquiry found Mr Fletcher and the jockey were in regular telephone contact. However, the disqualification was overturned on appeal.
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http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/top-prosecutor-margaret-cunneen-and-son-under-investigation-by-icac-20141030-11e9wa.html

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« 2014-Oct-31, 04:17 PM Reply #153 »
There continues to be disgraceful jaundice from uniformed media attacking Cunneen's opponent ICAC.

So much tripe around I haven't managed to read what the ICAC founder actually said. And how he'd know what evidence has been produced.

Channel 10 is insulting my intelligence with its slant.

At least they've revealed that Greg Wyllie is now Cunneen's former partner.

What the hell would he know!

Anyway I believe any reasonable informed person would realise that no Police investigation would satisfy the public.

Any Police attempting to pursue their boss Cunneen would be aware they are sacrificing their career.

And let's not get into how many Police Fletcher has on his payroll.

ICAC has vastly more chance  of conducting a proper investigation.

If this investigation is frivolous or some vendetta then ICAC officers risk their careers.

So you'd think they'd have very solid grounds for rocking the boat in such a fashion.



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« 2014-Oct-31, 04:54 PM Reply #154 »
Kate's younger colleague Michaela Whitbourn now follows up on the ICAC critics including Nick Greiner.

As I interpret this she has Nick on the ropes.

She notes ICAC is fully entitled to conduct such an investigation.

Nick's "stretching it a bit" retort looks like a climb down.

It's not that long ago in the Saffron era when most armed bank robberies here were actually conducted (hence condoned) by Police.



http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/former-premier-nick-greiner-criticises-icac-over-margaret-cunneen-inquiry-20141031-11ew1b.html

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« 2014-Nov-21, 04:12 AM Reply #155 »
Boy are we living in interesting times!

Here in what's suddenly become the State of Prosecution.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/charges-recommended-for-gambling-identity-stephen-fletcher-20141120-11qmsk.html?
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/nsw-police-paid-in-winnings-after-giving-gamblers-their-bank-accounts/story-e6frgczx-1227130092945
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« 2014-Nov-21, 05:13 AM Reply #157 »
Streama won this paying $12.90.

Fletcher's Betfair action is a bit curious.

I'd be interested in knowing in his other activity on that race.

Particularly Tote Exotics.

8.529 The records for Fletcher’s Betfair account show that the following bets were
placed at 15:53 on 20 October 2012 on the race in which Mosheen ran
(Caulfield, Race 9, 1400m Grp2):

Selection Min Price Taken Max Price Taken Layed Backed
4. Red Tracer 5 6.63 $0.00 $7,356.59
7. Miss Stellabelle 11.5 12.5 $0.00 $1,500.00
2. Streama 12 12 $0.00 $1,000.01
1. Mosheen 2.78 3.55 $10,773.90 $2,000.00
8. Appearance 21 21 $0.00 $400.00
3. Pear Tart 16 17 $0.00 $6,000.00
11. Soft Stand 7.8 7.8 $0.00 $1,000.00

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« 2014-Nov-21, 09:31 AM Reply #158 »
Very interesting evidence ...seems some conflicting views  though about whether using bowlers v commission agents amount to deceptive conduct.....on Fletcher's part ......a recommendation of charging him with Fraud might be difficult to prove especially if a jury trial .....no doubt the ATO will be all over this given his admission.

Thanks for posting jfc will watch with interest what transpires. Giddy Up. :beer: 

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« 2014-Nov-21, 10:59 AM Reply #159 »
These are early days yet, and there seems to be lots to play out first.

Take the parallel Cunneen saga currently in limbo courtesy of the Supreme Court.

She's now on record as having a decade long relationship with Fletcher.

But chose not sever it while perhaps 10 Fletcher related incidents surfaced.

Irrespective of the outcome of the ICAC bunfight it's inconceivable that her days on the public payroll can continue.

Also now there are 10's of Police that have had their careers comprised courtesy of their Fletcher association.

This looks to be a right mess.

Or in my parlance, a delectable Lay Market.



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« 2015-Apr-14, 06:43 PM Reply #160 »
Robbie Waterhouse censured over column
18 minutes ago by AAP SHARE TWEET
SYDNEY, April 14 AAP - Controversial bookmaker Robbie Waterhouse has been censured after an inquiry into his published theory that bets can be placed with the TAB after a field has jumped.

In his newspaper column on March 30, Waterhouse cited an experiment conducted by licensed clerk Marc Lambourne who he said was able to place seven $1 bets at a tote window at Rosehill on March 28 after a race had begun. An eighth bet was rejected.

Racing NSW stewards said the records from the TAB and the Australian Prices Network disproved the experiment.

Stewards said they found "no evidence of any party or parties either being able to, or indeed, taking advantage of what occurred at the jump by placing or cancelling bets on the TAB".

They said updates of approximate dividends occur each 30 seconds of betting and the last update of the TAB market does occur when the race has been in progress some 30 seconds or approximately 500 metres.

While dividends do change after the start, it is part of the 30 second update.

Stewards also found speculation by Waterhouse concerning any delay in TAB close-off time attributable to the delayed Sky Channel picture was not relevant as the start, and therefore the close of betting, is not determined by the vision but by the broadcaster's audio.

Waterhouse was reminded that his position as a licensed person "requires comments he seeks to make and any conclusions he seeks to draw in his newspaper column, to be centred on a sound factual base rather than mere speculation, suspicion or on racecourse rumour".

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« 2015-Apr-14, 07:03 PM Reply #161 »
I don't buy this.

It beggars belief that Lambourne would not be aware when the race jumped.

If those bets got on then more likely possibilities are that the Raceday Controllers once more missed the start, or that Tabcorp's clocks were wrong - as is very easy to do.

http://www.racingnsw.com.au/default.aspx?s=latest-news-display&id=17652
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« 2015-Apr-14, 07:27 PM Reply #162 »


While getting on late should be impossible, it is not clear that a bet placed very near the jump,  without any reason to suspect a biased outcome, would have an advantage.

The more relevant concern for TAB punters is about large bets, eligible for rebates, being placed late and the common sense of the start being delayed until everyone of the big bets 'gets on'.

There is a big difference between the likely outcome of big smart bets placed late -- and the fate of modest bets placed earlier.

It would be illustrative to have routinely disclosed the fate of big bets placed late -- a comparison of the net % 'loss' -- or not -- of those bets compared with the net % 'loss' of all bets placed earlier.

Those extolling the integrity of the system should have no qualms about such routine disclosure  -- except that they know what it would show.


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« 2015-Apr-14, 07:53 PM Reply #163 »
thanks peter 

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« 2015-Apr-14, 11:12 PM Reply #164 »
All,

May not be relevant but currently my computer clock set to eastern standard time, automatically by the computer, is a few minutes out of whack with the TABS time which also is presumably set to the same time....

Checking 3rd party times suggest my computer is the one that is wrong but the fact that one of the automatically set times is out of whack does raise the possibility of how such things might be occurring.

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« 2015-Apr-15, 07:23 AM Reply #165 »
All,

May not be relevant but currently my computer clock set to eastern standard time, automatically by the computer, is a few minutes out of whack with the TABS time which also is presumably set to the same time....

Checking 3rd party times suggest my computer is the one that is wrong but the fact that one of the automatically set times is out of whack does raise the possibility of how such things might be occurring.

Fours

Fours,

         Staying off subject I also have lost a couple of minutes in the changeover ( my fone provider is based in Qld , dont know if that means anything ). Also while probably nothing to do with the changeover I lost my SMS and all DATA at the same time and it took a week of screaming and threatening to have them restored whilst of course the provider denied they had done anything . :what:

                                                                                  Ricochet :)

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« 2015-Apr-16, 05:11 AM Reply #166 »
And back to Fetcher with this bombshell. A surprise - but not really unexpected.

Perhaps it explains why Police still have not charged Fletcher with fraud.

Wonder who the alleged underworld connections to him are?

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/phone-taps-the-source-of-cunneen-investigation-20150415-1mlvwi.html

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« 2015-Apr-17, 05:11 PM Reply #167 »

While getting on late should be impossible, it is not clear that a bet placed very near the jump,  without any reason to suspect a biased outcome, would have an advantage.

The more relevant concern for TAB punters is about large bets, eligible for rebates, being placed late and the common sense of the start being delayed until everyone of the big bets 'gets on'.

There is a big difference between the likely outcome of big smart bets placed late -- and the fate of modest bets placed earlier.

It would be illustrative to have routinely disclosed the fate of big bets placed late -- a comparison of the net % 'loss' -- or not -- of those bets compared with the net % 'loss' of all bets placed earlier.

Those extolling the integrity of the system should have no qualms about such routine disclosure  -- except that they know what it would show.



Why dont you put your modest bets on at the last minute? Its obviously better to bet late, you can look at the horses right up until they jump...


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« 2015-May-07, 08:23 AM Reply #168 »
Not getting easier to follow this extended saga.

My mind boggles why these new(?) surveillance outfits have jumped on the band wagon.


The decision about whether to criminally charge controversial gambling identity Steve Fletcher has been removed from the office of the Director of Public Prosecutions and sent instead to the Crown Solicitor's office, because of Margaret Cunneen's previous relationship with Fletcher.

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As well as being the target of a PIC inquiry, Mr Fletcher is understood to have been the target of a joint Australian Federal Police and Australian Crime Commission task force.


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/dpps-conflict-over-margaret-cunneen-friend-gambling-identity-steve-fletcher-20150506-ggvnid.html

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« 2015-May-09, 10:37 AM Reply #169 »
Fletcher's former(?) colleague Sigalla preceded Obeid at Court.

https://twitter.com/Kate_McClymont/status/596470692754763776

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« 2015-Jun-20, 02:20 PM Reply #170 »

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« 2015-Jul-16, 01:28 PM Reply #173 »
one for you jfc

http://www.12follow.com.au/index.php?option=com_servicespages&view=displayservices&tmpl=product_page&productid=85&status=0&carrierCode=Unknown
Why is this for me?

Why don't you or anyone else venture their opinions.

We have 3 regulars in the Fletcher camp.

I'm interested in how many here see this as the surest road to riches since George Freeman's tipping service.


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« 2015-Jul-16, 03:58 PM Reply #174 »
jfc,

I would imagine that the flethcer tips are backer at longer prices before the tips are given than the SOP kicks in and they all get laid off when they shorten for certain money.

Tried and true as long as the supply of suckers does not run out.

Fours


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