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« 2011-May-02, 08:11 PM Reply #25 »
The Origin story goes well beyond Fletcher. "They" backed two players to win MOM, one NSW player and one Qld player who had been "suggested" if their side was to win would have to have played well and be in the running for the award, backed the two of them for 2 days for what was said to be a $1 mil + take out. Problem was the NSW pick (Bird) didn't end up having the stand out game expected, but as always they had help ensuring that the right person was selected.

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« 2011-May-02, 10:03 PM Reply #26 »
The Story says Australian Selectors , is that correct.

Do the Australian Selectors pick MoM and elsewhere it said they would be too busy with the call to bet , is He fair :censored: indikum.

The last bloke sounds like a chief Steward HA ha. Joke.

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« 2011-May-03, 05:22 AM Reply #27 »
The Origin story goes well beyond Fletcher. "They" backed two players to win MOM, one NSW player and one Qld player who had been "suggested" if their side was to win would have to have played well and be in the running for the award, backed the two of them for 2 days for what was said to be a $1 mil + take out. Problem was the NSW pick (Bird) didn't end up having the stand out game expected, but as always they had help ensuring that the right person was selected.


Fascinating!

The article has Fletcher winning a piddly 50 gorillas. That suggests any suspicion should focus elsewhere, but in a curious media oversight the other million appears to be an orphan.

Hypothetically speaking rigging such a market narrows the contingencies down to ~two, and doesn't even involve any pesky overpaid unpredictable players, and is thus extremely efficient compared to traditional grifts. 

Pity the media also failed to name these selectors - the objects of "no suggestion of any wrongdoing".

And what an enlightened reassurance from John Brady:

"But ... the only people who had the man of the match in their keeping by this time were actually involved in the broadcast and would not have had any opportunity to engage in betting."

Evidently all of these selectors are recluses and have no accomplices to whom they could convey prearranged signals. Subtly scratching an ear would suffice, no need to resort to smashing a glass.

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« 2011-May-03, 11:33 AM Reply #28 »
I notice that one of Fletcher's favourite mugs, Curly Seal, doesn't bet on greyhounds any more.

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« 2011-May-03, 11:45 AM Reply #29 »
the propaganda is amazing in the gambling world  :what:

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« 2011-May-03, 05:30 PM Reply #30 »
It appears that Steve takes the warning off more seriously than some of the armchair experts who opined it wouldn't have any effect on him. :whistle:

"PROFESSIONAL punter Steve Fletcher has vowed to appeal his 12 months betting ban imposed by Racing Queensland last Friday.
 
Fletcher has already sought legal advice on the ruling and is hopeful of having his appeal heard in the coming weeks.
 
"It is not much fun sitting and watching the races and footy without having a bet," he said." Daily Telegraph report

Let's see what the outcome is.

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« 2011-May-03, 06:39 PM Reply #31 »
It appears that Steve takes the warning off more seriously than some of the armchair experts who opined it wouldn't have any effect on him. :whistle:

"PROFESSIONAL punter Steve Fletcher has vowed to appeal his 12 months betting ban imposed by Racing Queensland last Friday.
 
Fletcher has already sought legal advice on the ruling and is hopeful of having his appeal heard in the coming weeks.
 
"It is not much fun sitting and watching the races and footy without having a bet," he said." Daily Telegraph report

Let's see what the outcome is.



When I saw that it came across as lame.

Fletcher has the choice of copping the (lenient) year, or drawing further attention to his operations with an appeal.

I suspect Ray Murrihy wasn't enamoured with being punked by Fletcher's associates on Channel 9.

And there might be a few bookies who don't buy the coincidences on some of his strikes.

I don't know whether a Pandora's Box will ensue, but I won't be Laying that contingency.

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« 2011-May-04, 05:33 AM Reply #32 »

Fletcher has the choice of copping the (lenient) year, or drawing further attention to his operations with an appeal.

I suspect Ray Murrihy wasn't enamoured with being punked by Fletcher's associates on Channel 9.

And there might be a few bookies who don't buy the coincidences on some of his strikes.



What further attention is it going to draw?, while some of these antics and rorts are news to you, it is old news to those in the industry including all bookies, so it isnt going to change how they deal with him.

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« 2011-May-04, 07:00 AM Reply #33 »
What further attention is it going to draw?, while some of these antics and rorts are news to you, it is old news to those in the industry including all bookies, so it isnt going to change how they deal with him.


The media is depicting Fletcher as a professional punter who masterminded the Greyhound Sting. As all that is perfectly legal the public might perceive him as a heroic victim.

With more publicity from an appeal, it might be revealed that Fletcher still is a commission agent. Then unflattering connotations might percolate.

Do his activities at times constitute unlicensed bookmaking?

Are some of his clients too colourful? Do they have even peripheral involvement with money laundering, drug proceeds or tax evasion?

So without suggesting that Fletcher has any direct involvement, the activities of his clients might get drawn into the evidentiary process.

And then the public might get an opportunity to know whatever the industry is trying to cover up.


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« 2011-May-04, 08:54 AM Reply #34 »
If the industry cared they would have done something about it a long time ago. Everyone knows SF and a couple of other so called commission agents are the  biggest bookmakers in Sydney. For that matter the biggest bookmaker in Melbourne doesnt have a stand but is in the middle of the ring doing his business on a mobile phone. Has been the same way for a 5 or 6 years but no body cares. This case wont change it.

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« 2011-May-04, 09:04 AM Reply #35 »
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/fletchers-keep-racing-in-the-news-for-the-wrong-and-the-right-reasons-20110501-1e2yy.html

Here's the full Craig Young article.

At least it's answered one nagging question about whether those Fletchers were related.

But Young's informative activities are abysmal.

NSW Stewards still use the expression "warning off" apparently as an alternative to "disqualification". So Young's pertinent prattle is at best unhelpful.


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« 2011-May-04, 09:25 AM Reply #36 »
Also relevant was the Racing NSW Stewards 12 months disqualification of Adam Sparrow. Now served.

Can't find the original report - or whatever Sparrow's occupation is - apart from socialite.

But the offence was apparently "improper betting".

Rather vague - but seemingly quite mild compared to Fletcher's.

Sparrow launched an appeal then withdrew it.

From this comparison it looks like Fletcher got off light and will think hard about pushing his luck with an appeal.

He could treat it as a Sabbatical and visit Belarus or wherever to see if he can arrange a hook up into Tabcorp via the Isle of Man hub.




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« 2011-May-05, 01:51 PM Reply #37 »
If you want to dismiss others as onanists it might be prudent to curb your own ball scratching inclinations on visual media.

http://www.puntersshow.com.au/index.php?_a=videos&videoId=32

Anyway this ponderous episode claims to have insights into the Fletcher saga.

A classic example of blowhard ignorance in spades.

Very easy to get information on this case, but neither Pollett or Lambourne had a clue.

Did not stop them making gibbering fools of themselves.

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« 2011-May-05, 05:02 PM Reply #38 »
If you want to dismiss others as onanists it might be prudent to curb your own ball scratching inclinations on visual media.

http://www.puntersshow.com.au/index.php?_a=videos&videoId=32

Anyway this ponderous episode claims to have insights into the Fletcher saga.

A classic example of blowhard ignorance in spades.

Very easy to get information on this case, but neither Pollett or Lambourne had a clue.

Did not stop them making gibbering fools of themselves.


jeeeeeeez does anybody actually watch that.  :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

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« 2011-May-06, 05:16 AM Reply #39 »
I have extreme difficulty reading this pertinent cute name dropping article with a straight face as it comprehensively strives to avoid mentioning close buddy Fletcher.

And who knew that Zeljko was such a keen NRL fan?

http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/05/03/nrl-clubs-losing-millions-to-afl-as-refs-get-it-wrong/

Evidently the telepathic powers of those who can read selectors' minds and predict key players' mishaps, wane when faced with referee unpredictability.

I remember viewing how Mussolini overcame such problems. He simply summoned relevant World Cup referees to an intimate pre-match dinner.

That is clearly a far more efficient arrangement than having to choreograph full teams with overpaid players. And League should be easier than soccer given that scores are more frequent.

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« 2011-May-06, 07:54 AM Reply #40 »
gday adam if your' out there, a socialite lol

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« 2011-May-06, 08:08 AM Reply #41 »
Wow I cant stand betting on AFL because of Umpire decisions swinging games.

Mind you NRL are no better but I havn't seen more bad decisions this year than before.

Must be time to get another Grasshopper out there, or that cop ref from Cockroach country, was it Roberts or before him, that got booed and canned off Lang Park many moons ago.

The thing I do not understand is why police charges have been made on punters in the NRL but Racing just cruises on, warned off.

I would love to see Blobs bets, anyone that has as much power and greed as him , there has to suspicion.

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« 2011-May-07, 06:51 AM Reply #43 »
"Ms Cunneen said her son Steve had worked for Mr Fletcher but no longer did so because of Mr Fletcher's disqualification. But Mr Fletcher happily confirmed he and Ms Cunneen were good friends and he had seen her as recently as Thursday, when she dropped her son off for work."

Not sure whether it's prudent to conduct a cross-examination, but:

If Steve Cunneen (the son) no longer works for Fletcher what is his mum doing dropping him off to work?

Unless he already works elsewhere where Fletcher just happened to be.

I trust Betfair has checked whether the son bet on Thursday, as given pertinent established  precedents by Racing Queensland, that could well be grounds for his own disqualification.

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« 2011-May-07, 07:57 AM Reply #44 »
Another article written by a nuff nuff with no knowledge of gambling or her subject. As if a trifecta pool at Nowra dogs can go from 5000 to 30000 because it is running late. I was surprised she didnt expand on the tennis as it is a badly kept secret how Fletcher got his start.

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« 2011-May-07, 08:22 AM Reply #45 »
jfc,

I know a few people who do jigsaw puzzles and they tell me it is a good hobby.

If you like I will send you one!

It must be a better hobby than bagging nearly every succesful punter in Australia?

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« 2011-May-07, 11:19 AM Reply #46 »
Another article written by a nuff nuff with no knowledge of gambling or her subject. As if a trifecta pool at Nowra dogs can go from 5000 to 30000 because it is running late. I was surprised she didnt expand on the tennis as it is a badly kept secret how Fletcher got his start.


And here I was concerned about ruffling Ms Cunneen's feathers.

If Ms McClymont was interested in a new swimming pool your idiomatic indiscretion might take care of her funding.

The paragraph you took issue with began with "Woodward also told".

Now, consider those with knowledge of gambling.

All Craig Young could offer was a replay of the ignorant ramblings of testicle teasing Pollett.

Those journalists with knowledge of racecourse rumblings curiously choose to completely clam up.

And it's left to the others to tackle the tough issues that are very much in the public interest.

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« 2011-May-08, 06:52 PM Reply #47 »
"Ms Cunneen said her son Steve had worked for Mr Fletcher but no longer did so because of Mr Fletcher's disqualification. But Mr Fletcher happily confirmed he and Ms Cunneen were good friends and he had seen her as recently as Thursday, when she dropped her son off for work."

Not sure whether it's prudent to conduct a cross-examination, but:

If Steve Cunneen (the son) no longer works for Fletcher what is his mum doing dropping him off to work?

Unless he already works elsewhere where Fletcher just happened to be.

I trust Betfair has checked whether the son bet on Thursday, as given pertinent established  precedents by Racing Queensland, that could well be grounds for his own disqualification.


Evidently one of her sons' surname is Wyllie, so all wagering providers reading this now have no excuse for not checking whether any improper betting contravening the disqualification has been occurring.

It might also assist those taking bets from Fletcher's disguised accounts.


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« 2011-May-11, 06:38 AM Reply #48 »

http://twitter.com/#!/chrismurphys/status/67502111751012352

http://twitter.com/#!/chrismurphys/status/67516693362118656

Intriguing tweets from Chris Murphy (former leviathan punter and Matthew Newton's spokesmodel) on the association with Margaret Cunneen.

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« 2011-May-11, 01:36 PM Reply #49 »
Those of you still young enough to enjoy Chris Murphy's evident diet with impunity may not be aware of the ironical coincidences surrounding that tweet's verdict.

At the dawn of the 1995 Golden Slipper there was a shock 2KY announcement that eventual winner Flying Spur's rider J A Cassidy had been replaced by Glen Boss.

This action was taken after Cassidy was instructed by his counsel Chris Murphy to disobey Stewards' instructions to appear before them.

Now, according to Max Presnell, Kate McClymont is "renowned for her Jockey Tapes expose" which describes Cassidy as a member of a Jockey Quartet that pretended to fix races for its benefactor drug baron Victor Spinks - a friend of Murphy, goannised as "Mr C".

So Murphy's siding with McClymont after their adversarial history either demonstrates admirable impartiality - or even bigger issues with Cunneen.




J A Cassidy's replacement ride on Flying Spur's Slipper Win.
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