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Offline Antitab#

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« 2011-May-11, 02:11 PM Reply #50 »
You have put 2 and 2 together and got 13. There is a very obvious and widely known reason why the relatinship is different to what you are trying to purport.

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« 2011-May-11, 04:03 PM Reply #51 »
You have put 2 and 2 together and got 13. There is a very obvious and widely known reason why the relatinship is different to what you are trying to purport.


This is one rare occasion where Murphy and I see eye to eye.

Even if all one has is that article along with the photo, surely all can see contradictions in Cunneen's claims?

Remember that both have been the beneficiaries of extensive favourable publicity.

I gather Alan Jones has been batting for her, and on Sunday on 9 Lisa McClune portrayed a supposedly truthful account of her with a curiously changed surname.

If you voluntarily seek the publicity route then you have to cope with the collateral warts and all.

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« 2011-May-14, 11:25 AM Reply #52 »
http://www.platinumracing.com.au/scone-simply-stunning.php

Some simply stunning Steve Fletcher saga observations from this name dropper.

Wonder if outing himself as an informant is a good career move in a drama that is not completely removed from drug barons and Stiletto's patrons?

Cue AntiTAB to challenge the author's credibility.

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« 2011-Jun-03, 04:33 PM Reply #53 »
Prominant runner previously working for Mr Fletcher must have found new employment very quickly as he was in action at Sunshine Coast today.  :chin:

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« 2011-Jun-04, 10:11 PM Reply #54 »
I would have given the c*** life

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« 2011-Jul-14, 11:51 AM Reply #55 »
How long has Fletcher's appeal been dragging on without any news!

Meanwhile his non-associate Margaret Cunneen seems to have scored a second TV series featuring her likeness:

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/crownies/characters/JANET_KING.htm

Maybe?

Maybe not?

Debuting tonight.

Probably prudent to stress that I know materially nothing more than what flows from that link, and by no means do I intend to imply any of the personal predicaments the protagonist endures have any similarities with that of Ms Cunneen.

It's amusing to note the series seems to have a Slavic underworld figure - with a non-Croatian surname.

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« 2011-Jul-18, 09:54 PM Reply #56 »
jfc why so much hate towards most of the biggest bettors in this country  ?

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« 2011-Jul-19, 09:34 AM Reply #57 »
jfc why so much hate towards most of the biggest bettors in this country  ?


Welcome STS,

but surely you are joking?

The charges against Fletcher are as serious as anyone could want.

Imagine how this affects owners and trainers if one of Fletcher's BFFs is the postillion.

Not to mention mere punters like yours truly.

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« 2011-Aug-03, 11:55 AM Reply #58 »
Still not a whisper about the progress of Fletcher's appeal.

At this rate he will have served his time before the judgement is out.

Meanwhile here's a dated but apt story about connections to the aforementioned Adam Sparrow.

Including a guernsey to Rabbitoh Craig Coleman.

If ever I was forced at gunpoint to be a racehorse owner, here's a group I'd try to have nothing to do with.

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/private-sydney/a-colourful-gathering-you-bet-20110520-1ex5v.html

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« 2011-Aug-03, 12:25 PM Reply #59 »
 :chin: corey brown ...what a disaster, that IS a bad look  :confused1:

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« 2011-Aug-04, 10:39 AM Reply #60 »
I spent some time with Jack at a wake a few years ago in Sydney and he is certainly a very entertaining, colourful racing indentity. He is one of the very few remaining old characters/scallywags that racing used to be full of in the old days when SP's were rife and going to the races was a true experience.

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« 2011-Aug-04, 11:43 AM Reply #61 »
and going to the races was a true experience.

Yes . . for better or worse it is a much more sanitised "experience"

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« 2011-Aug-04, 02:29 PM Reply #62 »
Terrific bloke Jack and so is Adam Sparrow for that matter.

Much better than the nuff nuff Scott Woodward JFC is so fond of quoting.
 

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« 2011-Aug-04, 06:26 PM Reply #63 »
Terrific bloke Jack and so is Adam Sparrow for that matter.

Much better than the nuff nuff Scott Woodward JFC is so fond of quoting.
 

Recently caught this on my recorder:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/my-love-for-notorious-neddy-smith-debra-smith-regrets-not-having-fairtale-wedding-day/story-e6freuy9-1225761735642

I was struck by how charismatic Neddy was - blokes couldn't wish for a better drinking companion, while females just melted at his advances.

The pictures at that link illustrate some of his bright side.

It's a well worn tale.

A significant proportion of the racing industry was well and truly duped by Michael Bastian that charming accomplice of Zeljko in the VITAB fraud.

And I suspect that I am not the only one with an altered opinion of Fletcher following the expose of his Betfair Lays.

Moreover I imagine Arthur Harris would have trouble containing himself if he caught the RWW  (another of your endorsements)  TV news snippet about the latest Mosman crime incident.

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« 2011-Aug-04, 09:18 PM Reply #64 »
From afar, it appears nothing much has changed in the gambling scene in Sin City since the days of Askin & Galea....only the names. ;)

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« 2011-Aug-05, 05:36 AM Reply #65 »
Have you met any of these guys or do you just believe everything you read in the paper?

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« 2011-Aug-05, 06:52 PM Reply #66 »
I was a bit young when Askin & Galea were in their prime  :biggrin:

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« 2011-Aug-05, 07:16 PM Reply #67 »
I was a bit young when Askin & Galea were in their prime   :biggrin:  


By my reckoning that colourful pair paled into inconsequence in the mid 70s.

When you claim to have been bestriding the overs in both Sin City and mellow Melbourne each jet-setting weekend.

So while not in their prime, there was some overlap.

To the best of my knowledge that duo was into overturning despised wowser anachronisms such as sly grog, two up and casinos.

A far cry from drugs, child prostitution, money laundering and extortion that the new breed of Freemans and same seem to be hitting the headlines with.

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« 2011-Sep-14, 09:31 PM Reply #68 »
Beat the rap, won his appeal.  Racing Queensland might be scrambling yet again.  At least Bob is very experienced in spending lots of money in regard to court proceedings.

http://www.puntersshow.com.au/index.php?_a=stories&storyId=1148
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« 2011-Sep-15, 06:27 AM Reply #69 »
Not a good look for RQL.  And the cost!!!!!!!!!  At this rate they will finish up needing to sell Albion Park to pay lawyers, not build infrastructure.  When will it end.

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« 2011-Sep-15, 06:46 AM Reply #70 »
Beat the rap, won his appeal.  Racing Queensland might be scrambling yet again.  At least Bob is very experienced in spending lots of money in regard to court proceedings.

http://www.puntersshow.com.au/index.php?_a=stories&storyId=1148


Betfair could have disclosed figures about Fletcher's Lays like:

20 El-Issa
80 Others

then the chance of the 10 biggest Lays were on his BFF is computed by:

=1/HYPGEOMDIST(10,10,20,100)

= 1 in ~93,692,814

Hard to come up with more compelling evidence than that.

The curious news vacuum about this gargantuan threat to racing's integrity still remains.

I certainly can't wait for some glasnost.

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« 2011-Sep-15, 11:54 AM Reply #71 »
It'll be interesting to see the reasoning behind this decision once it becomes publicly available.

According to the CM the appeal to QCAT  was heard in July but took until yesterday for the decision to be handed down.

Fletcher is considering his options about trying to recoup his costs.

And RQL stewards are studying the reasons to decide if there are grounds for appeal.

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« 2011-Sep-15, 04:10 PM Reply #72 »
Full decision is on justracing.

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« 2011-Sep-15, 05:20 PM Reply #73 »
Strange how the stewards tried to bring in evidence at the last minute, do any of them have legal advice.

Will Mr Fletcher be able to sue for damages and lost profit for this along with his costs.

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« 2011-Sep-15, 06:07 PM Reply #74 »
Having a read of the decision it appears the QCAT tribunal were not satisfied that the stewards established their case which they described as largely based on circumstantial evidence..........from a punter's perspective it looked pretty persuasive.....El-Issa guilty of pulling it up....what for if no financial benefit...and who gained from this Fletcher who laid it and double dipped by backing the winner. :o

It's stretching the imagination to believe this wasn't discussed between them :shutup:

The standard of proof......balance of probabilities......not beyond a reasonable doubt. :shrug:

http://www.letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1867:rq-loses-fletcher-case-has-28-days-to-appeal&catid=42:qld-a-rest&Itemid=69

Interesting to say the least.......circumstantial evidence...........betting statistics over longer period preferred than the 3 months sample showing  significant transactions on El-Issa's mounts.........and contact was on " a casual basis"

Richard Oliver chairman with two members  a legal man dismissed the stewards' case but didn't think to award costs what does that suggest?



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