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« 2017-Jan-28, 09:08 AM Reply #25 »
I've confused things somewhat by posting recent QRIC decisions under the Racing Appeal Board thread.....so in future I'll try and remember to post internal review decisions on this thread.

This is the link to follow:-

http://www.qric.qld.gov.au/internal-reviews/decisions/

It seems very strange that up until the recent internal review decisions as posted below by my good self the Internal Reviewer gave reasons for his decision .........now in all of those recent cases there's no reason given ..........this is very dismissive of the applicant's rights to be properly informed of the decision particularly if  an adverse one.......how can a licensee be expected to appeal to QCAT without knowing the reasons for decision.

Maybe the mainstream media will pick up the ball and run with it if the representative associations haven't done so themselves.

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« 2017-Jan-27, 07:05 PM Reply #91  »

Ben Currie up for fines totalling $15K both internal reviews confirmed the penalty.

The recent decisions of the Internal Reviewer are lacking in reasons it's a fundamental principle that reasons are required to be given by administrative bodies such as the QRIC I expect they'll be called to account for their apparent cavalier attitude to the rights of licensees.

  http://www.qric.qld.gov.au/pdf/0053-16-ben-currie.pdf

http://www.qric.qld.gov.au/pdf/23-jan-2017-ben-currie-internal-review.pdf


http://www.qric.qld.gov.au/pdf/0001-17-natalea-summers.pdf

Summers appeal successful......one out of 4.

http://www.qric.qld.gov.au/pdf/0002-17-robert-fradd-internal-review-decision.pdf

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« 2017-Feb-06, 05:54 PM Reply #26 »
On the top rating radio show Press Room today genial Dave Fowler said he noticed that recent internal review decisions are being published sans reasons which he thought was a strange outcome ......he presumed the applicants are still being advised........ he has written to QRIC Ross Barnett and will let us know the outcome when he turns the microphone on next Monday.

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« 2017-Feb-16, 09:22 AM Reply #27 »
QRIC have advised  that the internal review decision summary outcome will still be published on their  website as soon as the decision is handed down and the applicant will still be provided with the full decision immediately as occurs now......the full decision will now be published on the QRIC website after the applicant has either accepted the decision or exhausted any legal appeal options.

 If the applicant does not appeal the decision to the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal the complete review decision will be published after the expiration of the 28 day appeal period.

The reason for changing the practice from publicly disclosing  detailed reasons for decisions is still a mystery.

Dave Fowler interviewed the QRIC boss Ross Barnett on Monday where the new practice as outlined above was disclosed........ absence any reasons being given.

Unfortunately Dave neglected to ask the reason for this change in long standing practice ........QRIC being out of step with all other similar jurisdictions ...admittedly  the Internal Review  is a Qld only initiative although it performs the same functions as other domestic racing  tribunals.


A recent decision concerning trainer/driver Ken Belford  who was fined $1000 who appealed the severity of the penalty resulted in the penalty being confirmed whereas the heading to the link shows $500 of the fine suspended.

http://www.qric.qld.gov.au/internal-reviews/decisions/#harness

http://www.qric.qld.gov.au/pdf/0005-17-ken-belford-internal-review-decision.pdf

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« 2017-Feb-24, 08:38 PM Reply #28 »
Another suspension reported by QRIC Ross "The Boss" Barnett ..that makes it one all... head of racing integrity Jamie Dart now Harness racing chief steward David Farquson :o

QUEENSLAND’S highest ranking harness racing steward David Farquson  Farquharson,  has been suspended until further notice by Queensland Racing integrity commissioner Ross Barnett.
Barnett gave no details for the ban, other than to say it followed “an investigation into a matter reported by a participant in the racing industry’’.


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Mr Farquharson has been terminated no details as to the allegations against him but whatever it is that he is alleged to have done has resulted in him being sin binned ... if he feels hard done by he has some options available should he choose to exercise them ...Ross Barnett does hisself no favours by his secretive non disclosure as to the reason for this decision...he could learn a lot from following the processes and the open communications of the NSW stewards.

And still no word on the outcome of investigation into suspended thoroughbred steward Jamie Dart. :o

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/131526/Queensland-chief-harness-steward-fired


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https://www.racenet.com.au/news/131526/Queensland-chief-harness-steward-fired


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« 2017-Feb-27, 08:33 AM Reply #29 »
Josh Oliver who was suspended for not giving Black Jag every opportunity to perform at its best back in October lost his internal review but succeeded at QCAT ...the reasons for decision have not as yet made it available for public consumption .......today the CM quotes solicitor Peter Boyce who is clearly not impressed by the internal review system while QRIC boss Ross Barnett does his best to defend the system....... Mr Boyce has a valid argument IMO as he opines in the following story.

http://www.qric.qld.gov.au/pdf/0029-16-joshua-oliver-internal-review-decision.pdf

 
Barnett firm on appeals system


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RACING Integrity Commissioner Ross Barnett has vigorously defended the much maligned QRIC appeals system in the wake of last week’s QCAT victory by jockey Josh Oliver and growing disillusion with the internal review process.

Barnett said since QRIC started in July, stewards had delivered more than 600 race day penalties and of those, “a very small percentage” had been referred for an internal review and “only six had progressed to QCAT”.

“I have full confidence in the system and this particular judgment (Oliver) proves the system works – the checks and balances are there to ensure a fair and balanced outcome is achieved,” he said. “I acknowledge there may be a period of adjustment as participants become familiar with this new regime under QRIC.”

Oliver last week criticised the process, where he lost his internal review and then had to spend nearly $10,000 to clear his name at QCAT.

Lawyer Peter Boyce, who has represented a number of trainers and jockeys at first and second level appeals, claims the internal review process is “quite pointless”.

“It’s laughable that you appeal to the same body that has already rubbed you out,” Boyce said. “Basically, it’s a process where you tell your client you’re going to lose, but you have to go through with it to get to the next level.

“My concern is there is no separation of independence.

‘‘The stewards are employed by QRIC and we apply to QRIC for the review.’’

QRIC’s internal reviewer is former Victorian steward Kane Ashby, while world-respected John Schreck has also worked in the role at times.

Barnett said a number of internal review decisions have “altered or changed completely” the original stewards’ decision.

“The reviewer is not afraid to amend any stewards’ decision where appropriate,” he said. “That the internal reviewer confirms most stewards’ decisions is testament to the judgment and fairness of those decisions.”

Boyce criticised Barnett’s assertion, pointing to recent QCAT results like Oliver’s where the original decision has been overturned.

“How can that claim be substantiated? What has QCAT said about his reviewer’s decisions?” Boyce said. “You can’t praise the system if QCAT are saying they get it wrong.”

Barnett said a decision by QCAT against the original stewards and internal reviewer decision is not an indictment against QRIC.

“Tribunal decisions are (a) judgment call on the evidence that is provided and different tribunals make different judgments,” he said.


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« 2017-Mar-02, 10:14 AM Reply #30 »
QCAT decisions upholding the appeals by Bridget Grylls and Josh Oliver against the suspensions imposed on them by QRIC stewards make interesting reading ..apart from the repitition in the judgment and some confusion in sections of it where the two horses were positioned Grylls on Ranked which led when not it's normal racing pattern called evidence from former leading rider Mike Pelling....while Oliver's case on Black Jag included evidence from a professional punter while vet Dr Martin Lenz gave evidence that the horse was sore after the race in the near fetlock..... giving the impression that the horse led with its right leg would not have contributed to its performance....as it turned out Black Jag had only one more start before being retired.......the trainers of both horses expressed disappointment with the  apprentices' rides.

Watching the replay it's  no surprise the stewards charged these two .........must be a very frustrating business trying to uphold the rules and copping criticsm when they do or don't take action.

http://archive.sclqld.org.au/qjudgment/2017/QCAT17-049.pdf

http://archive.sclqld.org.au/qjudgment/2017/QCAT17-050.pdf


To watch the replay it's R3

http://www.racingqueensland.com.au/Thoroughbred/Racing-Calendar/Video-Replays/Race-Meeting-Videos/DOOM/20160910/Races/1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8



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« 2017-Mar-14, 07:52 PM Reply #31 »
This shows how useless the change in not providing  reasons for decisions for public consumption.

This guy was given two years the internal reviewer amended the penalty .......but didn't disclose by how much.

http://www.qric.qld.gov.au/pdf/0008-17-anthony-hess-internal-review-decision.pdf


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« 2017-Mar-14, 08:20 PM Reply #32 »
Surely there is a fine line between what passes for a complete farce such as QRIC and its ex -Queensland coppers and what is official corruption. Why are these public servants withholding information from the general public. For what purposes and whose interests does it serve? Funny to reflect when you read the report that one of the Stewards on the original panel was a Mr Hackett. I can remember a few years ago reading one of the funniest reports  I have encountered in the Public Sector. It was about failing confidence in wagering on  the Harness Racing Industry in Queensland. Its author was the Chief Steward at the time , a Mr Hackett. You would have thought that such failing confidence could have been an indictment on the poor chaps performance as Chief Steward. Couldn't be the same bloke could it ?

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« 2017-Mar-21, 05:36 PM Reply #33 »


Queensland integrity chief stood aside

BY Trent Masenhelder - @tmase04

2 hours ago Horse Racing


The head of the newly-formed Queensland Racing Integrity Commission (QRIC) Integrity Regulation Unit, Norm Torpey, has been stood aside, pending an independent investigation into misconduct following a complaint from a member of the public.

According to Ross Barnett, commissioner of the QRIC, an independent investigation is being conducted over an incident that allegedly took place prior to the QRIC becoming operational in July.

“Mr Torpey has been temporarily reassigned from his role as head of the Integrity Regulation Unit to the race day stewarding department while the complaint against him is investigated,” Barnett said.

“The integrity of the Queensland Racing Industry is of the utmost importance to me and to the Commission, any complaints or issues that arise involving our staff are taken very seriously.

“The result of this investigation will be made public when it concludes, however, no further comment is appropriate at this stage.”

Just last week, the QRIC handed Rockhampton trainer Mark Cochrane a 12-month suspension after finding him guilty of striking an animal in his care.

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Another stand down Barnett is going through them like a runaway bus......Jamie Dart no report of any finality David Farquharson terminated but for what has not been disclosed  :o


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« 2017-Mar-22, 11:44 AM Reply #34 »
Wow.........What's going on?

Arent these people costing the industry over 10 million a year?

Who's next?

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« 2017-Mar-22, 03:40 PM Reply #35 »
Is anybody really surprised. The send in a few old coppers who have no idea of Racing and pop it up with the old brigade of stewards
who have been useless in the past , give it a new name ,and everything is meant to be hunky dory.

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« 2017-Mar-23, 02:33 AM Reply #36 »
Wow.........What's going on?

Arent these people costing the industry over 10 million a year?

Who's next?

I gotta say I cannot keep up with Qld racing any more - the admin part anyway. The form guide still stays pretty much the same.

Still struggling to get my head around what I read the other day about the State having a projected debt of 75.5 billion.

The population of Qld is 4.691 million. So if I go to the calculator and put in...let's drop the last 6 zeros on each figure.....if I put in 75,500 divided by 4.691 I get a little under $1,600. Is that all? Not as bad as I thought.

So there should be some money Grace Grace can put back into racing. No need to sack anyone else.   emthup

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« 2017-Mar-23, 06:06 AM Reply #37 »
Just found out that not only Norm Torpey but John Hackett are operating in the new multi-million dollar burden on the industry,Bentleys henchmen back in favour with the Labor rulers -That old saying applies the more things change the more they stay the same

QUEENSLAND RACING INCOMPETANCE CON-OP!

Wont be long before its a election issue for the Labor Elite

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« 2017-Mar-26, 12:35 PM Reply #38 »
The QRIC gaggle of fools make todays Sunday paper- $20 million a year for these gooses?


Expect Torpey to be carried back in from "stewarding " duties with a wig and moustache like the dead guy on weekend at bernies!

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« 2017-Mar-27, 10:32 PM Reply #39 »
LNP questions racing unit

STATE’S racing integrity unit may be staring into an LNP blowtorch if Labor loses the likely election this year.

Controversies at Breakfast Creek and Eagle Farm have not escaped the notice of Opposition Leader Tim Nicholls or LNP Racing spokesman Jon Krause. Eyesore Eagle Farm just happens to be in Nicholls’ Clayfield electorate.

Krause homed in on Breakfast Creek-based QRIC after longserving stipe Norm Torpey became the third high profile official to come under investigation.

“We’ll certainly be having a look at it,’’ said lawyer Krause, keen to brush up on QRIC’s performance, practices and protocols. QRIC came under LNP fire when founded amid greyhound drama last July with suggestions racing law and order was going to cost $20 million.

With the A-Pal team committed to no new state taxes, forget about South Australia or Victoria-style punters’ levies until the election is over.

Queensland punters already are feeling the pinch. Some of the best gamblers may be facing legal tangles over betting accounts worth more than $100,000. Corporate bookies continue to take a hard line over punters identities. Particularly when accounts reach five figures.

Above from TRAPS column by Poleline Pete .......You would think if Mr Krause has had his eye on the ball he would have been on his hind legs before this asking Racing Minister Grace for further and better particulars on the internal workings of the QRIC which is clouded in a veil of secrecy......now that Parliament isn't sitting Mr Krause will have plenty of time to formulate his questions......from my observations he hasn't been seen nor heard on racing matters in the recent past......maybe Poleline Pete has prodded him into taking an interest in his racing portfolio. :o


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« 2017-Mar-28, 09:48 PM Reply #40 »
How many meetings does 380k a week pay for?

The "Commish" must wonder what he has got himself into when his apparent self-declared goal was to be QUEENSLANDS next police "Commish"


Memo to Ross the righteous that ship has sailed buddy.............one can only laugh or despair at the idiots

Next up the LGR declared "picture framer" is the mail from the north!

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« 2017-Mar-29, 05:58 PM Reply #41 »
MY CALL: STEWARDING DRAMA. IT'S LIKE REFEREES BEING SHOWN THE RED CARD INSTEAD OF THE PLAYERS

By David Fowler | Tuesday, March 28, 2017

David Fowler is the principal thoroughbred caller for Radio TAB. David, who is a keen form student and punter, has enjoyed a lifetime involvement in the racing media. His personal blog, ‘My Call’, appears exclusively on HRO.

The latest stewarding drama at QRIC raises an interesting point.

Integrity Regulation Unit boss Norm Torpey has been stood aside. That’s right, “aside” and not “stood down”.

This in isolation probably wouldn’t draw the crabs but with the Jamie Dart case unsolved and the recent David Farquharson sacking, it now joins a concerning line.

There are no leaks on this one. It’s steel trap stuff.

Yet, ironically, it could be a mountain out of a molehill situation.

QRIC proudly declares it welcomes complaints from the public. Almost courts it you could say.

There is always an inherent danger in such a process. Think of settling scores.

But there’s another concern. How far can a vexatious claim go back and still be treated with possible ramifications?

Few of us are lily white but they say you can at least learn from your mistakes.

Norm Torpey was dismissed by the Queensland Harness Racing board as its chairman of stewards in November 2005.

I’m not saying the Torpey case falls into this basket but I’m also not saying it doesn’t.

Davie Fowler from his blog on HRO this week.......Sargent Schulz I know nothink :o


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« 2017-Mar-29, 07:03 PM Reply #42 »
A couple more results which confirmed the stewards decisions.......no reasons given.

Mr Elliott refused a track work riders license due to cannabis test...he maintained he has been clean but must have tested positive due to having associated with other users.


http://www.qric.qld.gov.au/pdf/0011-17-ELLIOTT-Mark-Internal-Review-Decision.pdf


http://www.qric.qld.gov.au/pdf/0010-17-NEILSON-Ashlee-Internal-Review-Decision.pdf

Positive swab returned applicant admitted guilt but appealed on severity of the penalty.

Anthony Hess's case where his penalty was amended still on the QRIC website with no info on what the resultant time out is. :shutup:


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« 2017-Apr-02, 09:36 AM Reply #43 »
The dummies down at Albion are still at it. They have managed to put up last week's Stewards report for yesterday's meeting at the Gold Coast. No idea these roosters !

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« 2017-Apr-05, 07:04 PM Reply #44 »
Here's another decision upheld Kelly Purdy  a small time trainer on the Gold Coast was refused a track work rider's license for her to ride work for other trainers........QRIC;s Internal Reviewer  Mr Ashby set that decision aside which presumably means the matter is referred back to QRIC Licensing Dept to issue her with  the said license..... or that the Mr Ashby's decision setting aside the original decision grants her the license...... whatever the case may be......but the decision absent of reasons due to the preposterous  claim of legal professional privilege...goes on to advise there's a right of appeal to QCAT if Ms Purdy disagrees with the decision.....looking sillier every day.

http://www.qric.qld.gov.au/pdf/0013-17-PURDY-Kelly-Internal-Review.pdf

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« 2017-Apr-05, 07:38 PM Reply #45 »
Arsenal , as you seem to stay in touch with most of the ridiculous shenanigans that emulate from this place have you spotted on their website the really big news for Queensland Racing before it plunges down the drain ? Wait for it !!!!. Drum roll first. They are changing their website. How huge is this? Everything should be up, up and away now ! The Industry in this State just needs this. If anyone ever harboured a thought that this mob were not completely delusional then this is it.

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« 2017-Apr-05, 08:29 PM Reply #46 »
Arsenal , as you seem to stay in touch with most of the ridiculous shenanigans that emulate from this place have you spotted on their website the really big news for Queensland Racing before it plunges down the drain ? Wait for it !!!!. Drum roll first. They are changing their website. How huge is this? Everything should be up, up and away now ! The Industry in this State just needs this. If anyone ever harboured a thought that this mob were not completely delusional then this is it.

Gunbower, you have given me a good laugh. Some months ago I posted the timing that certain things would take place after the "New A-Team" were appointed.

I said around April the powers to be will fix everything by designing a new website.

Anything would be an improvement on their old website.

But the old saying about any computer based operation is, "Garbage In, Garbage Out".

So if they continue to put up the wrong Stewards Reports and Race Programs no new website is going to fix that as incompetence at the end of the day is still incompetence.

Go to the NSW, VIC and SA websites and it's a breeze to navigate and has been for sometime. The old QR website was nothing more than a joke.

Still I would have thought they have far bigger issues facing them.

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« 2017-Apr-05, 08:44 PM Reply #47 »
Mortdale , to use an old racing phrase "you might have gone off before acceptances ". It is only QRIC which is changing their website , not Racing Queensland. Most at Racing Queensland have probably  not heard of the World Wide Web or are waiting for Mulley to come back and weigh out after riding Bernborough.

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« 2017-Apr-05, 10:55 PM Reply #48 »
Mortdale , to use an old racing phrase "you might have gone off before acceptances ". It is only QRIC which is changing their website , not Racing Queensland. Most at Racing Queensland have probably  not heard of the World Wide Web or are waiting for Mulley to come back and weigh out after riding Bernborough.

Bugger, I sound like Mulley turning up at the wrong track.

I still stand by the joke of a website that RQ operate.

I will hold my comment on the QRIC because I must admit I haven't even bothered looking at their website.

Gunbower, I apologise and also to any other forum readers for failing at my attempted "speed reading".

Time to clean the glasses.

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« 2017-Apr-06, 09:44 AM Reply #49 »
Queensland racing is now beyond a national joke and utter disgrace. A rollercoaster of Racing Ministers and RQ CEO's has done nothing more than advocating a jobs for the boys mentality. Take this latest mob, Grace Grace a very shady creature to say the least has no idea what racing is all about, she probably thinks its an afternoons entertainment for the well heeled not an indistry which it once was. She has upheld the jobs for the boys tradition, the encumbent CEO and board Chair have got little or no basic knowledge of racing, they insist in keeping their heads in the sand while the industry just slowly dies on the vine. Running costs of the industry HQ keep increasing while rank and file desert the hobby in droves. Even when two of the biggest and best stud operators on a national scale declare racing in Queensland is stuffed Wilson (chair) Forbes (CEO) and Grace (but who cares what she thinks) still are spruiking that everything is ok and humming along sweetly. With the THREE STOOGES like this trio in charge its no wonder racing in Qld is a coffin case just waiting for someone to bang down the last few nails.


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