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Offline Gintara

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« 2016-Nov-08, 04:00 PM Reply #1850 »

Racing in Brisbane,  of dubious quality even over the few weeks before the Stradbroke, is a relic of a bygone era.

Brisbane racing has joined South Australia, Western Australia -- among other venues -- as an irrelevance; they will have days in a weak sun but they are 'days' not 'weeks'.

The party is over.

Peter, what do all these horses have in common?

Black Heart Bart, Sheidel, He Or She, Whispering Brook, Real Love, Miss Rose De Lago etc

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« 2016-Nov-08, 06:33 PM Reply #1851 »


Just guessing that these horses had their origins in the sunshine state,  then their owners saw the light and left for the big smoke.

......... same with other champions like Northerly (WA), Sydeston (Tasmania), Rogan Josh (NT) etc to say nothing of Bonecrusher et  al and a multitude of top class horses from NZ.

And is that not the point -- occasionally champion horses are bred and race early outside NSW and Victoria, but once their ability is recognized it is off to the big smoke where the best racing is run.

It is OK to have racing in other states but it is not OK to fund that racing with the proceeds of betting on the best races run in Melbourne and Sydney -- TABs in low-grade jurisdictions bludging on the best racing is un-Australian to start with and the crime is compounded when the money so stolen is wasted on low-grade races that should not be encouraged by stolen prize-money.

That is the brutal reality -- best respected and embraced rather than rejected.


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« 2016-Nov-08, 07:29 PM Reply #1852 »
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/superracing/doomben-10000-expected-to-disappear-in-radical-queensland-winter-carnival-shakeup/news-story/fbf3d96382c07481ad673daed8777115

THE iconic Doomben 10,000 won by turf greats such as Bernborough and Apache Cat

What a strange opening line?

Don't get me wrong. I loved "The Cat" and his iconic baldy face.

But when other greats such as Takeover Target, Manikato, Black Onyx (twice), Maybe Mahal, Baguette, Chief De Beers, Campaign King, Sovereign Red (one of my favourites) and a few other notables won the race I would have thought they would get a mention.

Surely to christ they will not get rid of this race. Since they made it WFA it has become one of the best quality sprints in the country.

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« 2016-Nov-08, 07:38 PM Reply #1853 »

Just guessing that these horses had their origins in the sunshine state,  then their owners saw the light and left for the big smoke.

......... same with other champions like Northerly (WA), Sydeston (Tasmania), Rogan Josh (NT) etc to say nothing of Bonecrusher et  al and a multitude of top class horses from NZ.

And is that not the point -- occasionally champion horses are bred and race early outside NSW and Victoria, but once their ability is recognized it is off to the big smoke where the best racing is run.

It is OK to have racing in other states but it is not OK to fund that racing with the proceeds of betting on the best races run in Melbourne and Sydney -- TABs in low-grade jurisdictions bludging on the best racing is un-Australian to start with and the crime is compounded when the money so stolen is wasted on low-grade races that should not be encouraged by stolen prize-money.

That is the brutal reality -- best respected and embraced rather than rejected.


best respected and embraced rather than rejected.  :lol:   :lol:
The races over the coming months in both WA and QLd will be wonderful and their contributions to the australian racing landscape  is only criticised by the ignorant

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« 2016-Nov-08, 07:44 PM Reply #1854 »
Peter they all started their careers in WA before racing well in your 'Mecca' of Victoria.



It is OK to have racing in other states but it is not OK to fund that racing with the proceeds of betting on the best races run in Melbourne and Sydney -- TABs in low-grade jurisdictions bludging on the best racing is un-Australian to start with and the crime is compounded when the money so stolen is wasted on low-grade races that should not be encouraged by stolen prize-money.




Not sure I agree with you on this, How is someone living in Qld but betting on Vic racing stealing?  :chin:

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« 2016-Nov-08, 08:31 PM Reply #1855 »
Why do people try still try to engage PM in conversation ? My advice is go and buy yourself a pet  (any sort). You will be a better chance of having a sensible discussion.

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« 2016-Nov-09, 09:20 PM Reply #1856 »


The business of stealing funding for racing

Ideally a small country , as Australia is, would have a single national racing industry and associated national TAB.

We don't.

What we have, effectively, is separate state TABs levying taxes on TAB betting turnover in each separate state -- and then using those taxes, in part, to fund racing in their separate state irrespective of how much is bet on races run in that state.

Practically most betting, nationally and in all states,  is on racing in Sydney and Melbourne but the taxes taken from the TAB pools on these best races is spent (wasted) subsidizing racing that few bet on.

At least with the levies on turnover, the proceeds are returned to the state that runs the race -- small comfort when those proceeds are then also wasted subsidizing rural races that few want to bet on.

The Australian racing industry in each state has a motto -- too much is not enough and if our people pay taxes to bet on races in other states it is only fair that we use that money to continue subsidizing our racing that is  redundant and a waste of money.

It is the way the world works -- it should stop.




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« 2016-Nov-09, 10:03 PM Reply #1857 »
And so should your drivel

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« 2016-Nov-09, 10:12 PM Reply #1858 »
Agreed Spudda. Has this chap actually got an IQ , or is he corresponding from some care facility ?. If he isn't , he should be.

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« 2016-Nov-10, 06:51 AM Reply #1859 »
Thank god Peter will never be in control. With his 9 horse fields, one day a week racing in Melb or Sydney the sport would be gone within 1 year.
Then again, that's what Peter has been angling for for years, to kill off racing :bulb: :bulb:

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« 2016-Nov-10, 11:37 AM Reply #1860 »

Ideally a small country , as Australia is, would have a single national racing industry


We have a gigantic country, geographiically.

And it's for that very reason why a faiirer share of resources is much more likely under the administration of separate bodies.

That said there needs of be a good deal of interaction between those separate ruling bodies but they should be masters of their own destinies with regard to tracks and facilities etc

   

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« 2016-Nov-11, 08:03 AM Reply #1861 »


.......... no problem with separate administrators or even different 'levies' on betting turnover.

My concern is simply with the injustice and inequity of  the 'separate administrators' taking money from races run by other administrators elsewhere -- especially in Sydney and Melbourne -- and using it to prop up racing that is not commercially viable.

This rort is a make work/unemployment relief scheme for horses -- spare my days.

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« 2016-Nov-11, 11:10 AM Reply #1862 »
You really are a small picture sort of guy

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« 2016-Nov-21, 01:55 PM Reply #1863 »
Surely it is not true that a long term sponsor has pulled out of our greatest race!

You can "Ubet" that the sponsorship will be taken up by others.

It would appear instead of looking after sponsors of this nature, it seems it's more important that we quietly go around destroying other races by changing distance and/or venue.

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« 2016-Nov-25, 10:27 AM Reply #1864 »
The "Ubet" Stradbroke over 3 years.

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« 2016-Nov-25, 11:11 AM Reply #1865 »
Has the ubet tabcorp merger gone through yet ?

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« 2016-Nov-25, 11:39 AM Reply #1866 »
The "Ubet" Stradbroke over 3 years.

Might be a pang of conscience over 'that' deal

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« 2016-Nov-25, 12:19 PM Reply #1867 »
My point being Arthur that it will obviously come from the marketing budget of Ubet.

This is a generous sponsorship but in reality is coming from the racing industry funds.

Most thinking people would rather have an AAMI (outside the Industry) sponsoring the race rather than it coming from this source. The monies would be better spent marketing their product as the corporates do. As a listed company can they follow the Corporates?

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« 2017-Mar-16, 08:22 AM Reply #1868 »
THE Brisbane Racing Club on Wednesday convened a meeting with key stakeholders, including track developers Evergreen, in a bid to find out why Eagle Farmfs new surface continues to underperform.

gThe way the track raced on Monday was clearly not acceptable,h BRC chairman Neville Bell said. gIn November and December the track seemed to be going very well but in February and March it has gone the other way.

gWe thought the only way forward was to have a meeting with all the experts.

gItfs fair to say itfs not one single thing. Itfs a lot to do with the immaturity of the turf, the extreme weather conditions and the amount of racing we are doing on it.

gFlemington gets two months off after Stakes day. Caulfield gets two months after the Caulfield Cup. Our racing model up here doesnft allow that sort of break.ff

Bell said Wednesdayfs meeting convinced him and the board the track could live up to expectations in the future, but gtherefs no quick fix to thisff.

gThe experts say the way it was planted, itfs going to be two years before itfs a mature plant,h he said. gWe just have to try and balance producing a good racing surface with growing the grass to maturity.ff

Oh dear...no end in sight relying on their current team of experts seems a futile exercise if that's what they advise now why weren't the told this in the beginning. :o


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« 2017-Mar-16, 09:43 AM Reply #1869 »
Congrats to Jeff Lloyd for bringing up his 100th winner yesterday with Medieval this season with 3 1/2 months still to go. Great achievement!

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« 2017-Apr-28, 06:52 PM Reply #1870 »
THE UNTOLD STORY A WORSE CONTROVERSY THAN EAGLE FARM TRACK


IF you think the Eagle Farm track is set to ride shotgun with controversy during the upcoming Brisbane carnival, spare a thought for the story that isnt being told behind the scenes.

This one involves the redevelopment, which you might remember saw two workmen tragically killed and claims by subcontractors that some are claiming demands a Commission of Inquiry.

For some reason those who have suffered most cannot get their side of the story told in the mainstream racing media and they claim that the Brisbane Racing Club and Racing Queensland refuse to recognise their plight.

For legal reasons we cannot publish the full details of what we have been asked to write but at the least the matter demands the attention of Racing Minister Grace Grace or her Department and most certainly an investigation by the Queensland Racing Integrity Commission or even the Police.

Sadly those who have suffered most have all but given up on that forced to reach out to sections of the media like letsgohorseracing because their calls for help to the major dailies seem to be falling on deaf ears.

There are plenty in the industry calling for something to be done behind the scenes but they too are afraid to air their views publicly. As one said: Whats the point going to the politicians or the Integrity Commission? There are too many high profile toes to be stood on.

You only need to look at a situation which occurred recently when stewards raided a successful stable in south-east Queensland and discovered oxygen tanks and refrigerators full of blood used in the training preparation of horses. They reported it to the Integrity Commission and nothing was done. Some say this is because the stable in question has links to some heavy political people.

LETSGOHORSERACING has been contacted by one of the highly experienced, respected and well known sub-contractors involved in the redevelopment of Eagle Farm. He has made some stunning allegations which need to be investigated.

The sub-contractor, who has been at the coalface, claims the BRC must shoulder the majority of the blame for the problems currently occurring.

He also makes serious allegations against a former NSW detective involved in the Woods Royal Commission in the 1990s who wound up in a new life in Queensland involved in the racing industry on several levels and also a former CEO for a regional council in the south-east corner who allegedly is involved with one of the major contractors in the Eagle Farm project.

Among the myriad of allegations is the suggestions that sub-contractors are owed millions of dollars for work carried out.

EDITORS NOTE: LGHR hopes that 4Corners or one of the major Current Affairs programs investigates these claims. That is the job that should really be done by our mainstream media in Brisbane, the Racing Minister or the Integrity Commission but it seems transparency sounds good in the eyes of all until an issue like this requires their attention. 

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« 2017-Apr-28, 11:23 PM Reply #1871 »
THE Brisbane Racing Club on Wednesday convened a meeting with key stakeholders, including track developers Evergreen, in a bid to find out why Eagle Farmfs new surface continues to underperform.

gThe way the track raced on Monday was clearly not acceptable,h BRC chairman Neville Bell said. gIn November and December the track seemed to be going very well but in February and March it has gone the other way.

gWe thought the only way forward was to have a meeting with all the experts.

gItfs fair to say itfs not one single thing. Itfs a lot to do with the immaturity of the turf, the extreme weather conditions and the amount of racing we are doing on it.

gFlemington gets two months off after Stakes day. Caulfield gets two months after the Caulfield Cup. Our racing model up here doesnft allow that sort of break.ff

Bell said Wednesdayfs meeting convinced him and the board the track could live up to expectations in the future, but gtherefs no quick fix to thisff.

gThe experts say the way it was planted, itfs going to be two years before itfs a mature plant,h he said. gWe just have to try and balance producing a good racing surface with growing the grass to maturity.ff

Oh dear...no end in sight relying on their current team of experts seems a futile exercise if that's what they advise now why weren't the told this in the beginning. :o


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I hadn't come across this little gem of a story before.

A bit of food for thought if I may - The Kikuyu turf has now been down for well over 12 months, suggesting it's immature is laughable. Anyone with it growing in their back yard knows it grows like a weed with a bit of sun and water, even easier when it's grown on a sand based profile.

All the major stadiums in the country are a form of a sand based profile, while they don't have Kikuyu on them, can anyone point out the last time they saw a puddle on Suncorp, ANZ, Hunter Stadium, Penrith, Parramatta before they pulled it down, Gosford etc etc.   :nowink:

The key feature to all this is infiltration & percolation rates, if anyone wants to bore themselves, look up the USGA specs for golf greens and recommended percolation rates, whilst not a total comparison due to height of turf etc it does give you an insight into what sort of drainage is expected from sand based profiles.

Naturally over time (years) these will slow down due to organic matter build up etc but one has to ask -

How has a sand based race track become a bog in less than 12 months time? Why? How?

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« 2017-Apr-30, 05:50 PM Reply #1872 »
Watching the replays yesterday the track was rated a Soft7 and that's after no rain leading to the meeting...noticeable kickback and while there were no claims of track bias it appears lots of runners didn't handle the going...Wednesday there's another meeting scheduled with the rail to be moved out but whether it goes ahead remains to be seen......not looking good for the Winter Carnival without a miracle.

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IS EAGLE FARM IN ITS CURRENT STATE FIT FOR STRADBROKE DAY?


IT came as no surprise that the Eagle Farm track got a pass mark from the mainstream racing media - as this website predicted it would - and  no-one had the courage to stand up and declare it unfit for carnival racing in its current condition.

The punters, stakeholders and racing public in general who are emailing and calling this website must be out of stride with those at the coalface.

It wasnt a good look one prominent racing identity even called to say he couldnt bear watching the clods flying back any longer and turned off the coverage of the Eagle Farm meeting. He was also pissed off with the alibis being made by the SKY host (as expected) and the 4TAB race caller (again not unexpected)


Trainers, including Bjorn Baker who prepares Victory Stakes winner Music Magnate, admits the track conditions took plenty out of his horse. Once horses who struggled in the conditions there on Saturday head to other tracks, can we expect massive form reversals.

Eagle Farm wasnt the disaster that was predicted but it simply wasnt up to the standard required for a Saturday metropolitan meeting let alone a carnival fixture. That's it in a nutshell - an objective observation.


The question that needs to be asked is: Will Eagle Farm recover in time for big meetings like Stradbroke day to be run without racing in Queensland being the laughing stock of the nation?

That aside it is impossible to do the form when you dont know how the track is going to play. It was rated between SOFT and HEAVY by some of the good judges on Saturday and there was no rain. What happens if it pours down in the week leading up to a carnival meeting?

Its the same old story for racing in Queensland the good ship Titanic just ploughs ahead toward the icebergs convinced it is unsinkable.

Heres a handful of horses punters could argue were not afforded a fair chance of winning or their performances were affected by the track that was served up at Eagle Farm on Saturday:

Snitzcraft, Taillevent, Dream Finish, Emphasis, Tumbler, Spring Tycoon and In His Stride those are just the ones that were in the market and performed below expectations.

If the track wasnt joke enough the stewards added insult to injury turning a blind eye to over-use of the whip. Its simply not good enough for the Chief Stipe Allan Reardon to warn Tiffany Brooker that her overuse (she hit the horse 27 times) could have led to her losing the Gunsynd Quality on favorite Dreams Aplenty. That was way above the permissible limit.

Then Reardon refused to comment when questioned by Larry Cassidy, rider of runner-up Violate, whether he should have protested. A jockey of Cassidys experience should not have needed to ask.

It makes a mockery of the rules when Booker was subsequently suspended for seven days and fined $2,000 with Reardon declaring: Your whip use on the horse was way over the top.

Really!!! 


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« 2017-May-03, 05:08 PM Reply #1873 »
 Moved to more applicable thread.
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« 2017-May-04, 09:41 AM Reply #1874 »
Heads in the sand Eagle Farm once the jewel in the crown was rated a heavy 8 Wednesday downgraded from a Soft 7 I think after only 2mm of rain leading up to the meeting how it will get through the Winter Carnival I can't imagine........and the growing season has been terrific so no excuses there.

I reckon that our golf course greens superintendent would have fixed this long ago he and the greens staff have  done a terrific job on our golf course.

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