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First, I'd expect that the CEO of the larger merged club would be paid more than either of the two previous CEO's?
I can't answer that one. You might be right, but you might not be.
Second, were the significant administrative requirements and associated costs factored into the savings analysis. I'd bet they weren't.
Yes there were. $800,000 - $1.1 mill was shown as possible one-off costs.
Thirdly, I hope so, but in my view these forecast significant savings are overly optimistic, in fact there is a chance that the merged business will perform worse than the two smaller competitive businesses it replaced, I hope not.
Yes, there is a chance of that. But right now all indications to me are that there are significant financial benefits.
what does the reshape invove?
Further info on the BRC website:
http://www.brc.com.au/
On the surface this all appears promising DD.
Tunnels have got to be a step in the right direction eliminating the dreaded crossings.
In your view will it be better for QLD racing & trainers in general?
A couple of forumites were there today
Odd timing
THE just-unveiled $1.2 billion plan to transform Eagle Farm and Doomben courses into Australia's best horse racing precinct is ambitious to say the least. It is also poorly timed. Years of industry in-fighting means yesterday's announcement comes at a point in the economic cycle when investors have little appetite for such grand developments. The promoters are unfazed, claiming elements of the scheme should be ready to proceed just in time for the next upturn. In summary, a promising start, but no sure thing
Just a splash of cold water from today's editorial in the Courier Mail. :/
Phil been busy doing his sectionals...Give him a chance.
I did meet Phil at Rocklea one day and he seems a OK bloke, but gee he does come come across as a goose in his web site sometimes :biggrin:Thats the sad part. He's doing a good service to Queensland Racing in general, but his website turns into a onesided blog sometimes. :no:
Everyone's got the right to be stupid at times, but some abuse the privilege.
Did I give any indication I wanted help?
The BRC Administration offices in the public grandstand at EF are close to completion.[/b]
Will be all up and running when the new club kicks off on July 1.
Members should get ready for a big inauguration day on July 4. Mark ya calendars. emthup
Membership cards will be produced when the majority of invitations to join have been returned. God-willing they'll be ready for the big day, but we have ya money. :lol:
Seriously, existing badges can be used if there's any delay. Plus, you're well known. :)
Plus, you're well known
looks like ho knows the outcome....pity for the poor commoners!
maybe that fool bentley after his latest loss of bent-wad will flush himself down the poop chute at the deagon toilets :wavecry:
The 2009 Queensland Racing Horse of the Year and Industry Awards night is
fast approaching.
Queensland Racing is now calling for media nominations (print, photo, radio or television) for the 2009 Media Award.
Nominations close on Monday, July 13, 2009.
To be eligible the entry must have been published/aired during the 2008/09 racing season.
interesting, there's been no media statement on QR's website regarding this important resignation. perhaps people might put 2 and 2 together and come up with some probing results. there might be a few more issues regarding this obvious appointment come to light in next few days. :clap2:
Will go in shorts, T shirt and thongs in the public stand on Sat, just like the old days. Or do I have to wear covered shoes now?
Wear anything apart from THAT hat
Yes, you're right. :lol:
RED thongs for EF, BLUE for Doomben.
The new rule comes after a bizarre ban on thongs in 2005. Memorably, thong-wearing punters were turned away at the gates – causing a mini-uproar of sorts.
What, you never go in winter?
What, you never go in winter?
Musta been winter judging by all the coats.
BRC Board Member Appointed
6th August 2009
Fellow Member,
As you are aware, a vacancy to the BRC Board was created with the recent resignation of Wayne Milner. The constitution of the BRC provides that should a vacancy occur during the first three year term, then the surviving foundation directors from the club represented by the retired director must select a replacement Director from the members who were eligible members of the originating club at the time of merger.
To meet the requirements of the constitution, myself, Peter Tighe, Paul Williams set about a process to select a replacement Director. This process involved seeking Expressions of Interest from eligible BTC members, and determining which interested individuals would, in our opinion, best compliment and add to the skills and experience already present on the Board.
We are very pleased to announce we have identified an outstanding individual to join the Board. I am delighted to introduce Samuel (Sam) Adams who will be joining our Board. Sam has been selected as we believe he has a unique ability to contribute both professional skills to many of the BRC’s critical endeavours, as well as provide perspective to Board deliberations that are not currently present on the Board.
Sam’s legal and professional skills (specialising in major property development transactions) will be invaluable in our Master Plan/Redevelopment activities. In addition, Sam, being of a generation not currently well represented in Racing Administration anywhere, will have a unique opportunity to help us recognise the needs of younger members and race goers, and begin the journey to ensure our club continues to prosper into the future. Of course, it goes without saying, Sam is a very keen racing enthusiast.
To properly introduce Sam, I have included below a brief summary of Sam’s background. I am sure you will join us in congratulating Sam on his appointment to the Board, and wish him well as he embarks on this significant commitment to the future of the BRC.
Best Regards,
Kevin Dixon.
---------------
Samuel Adams, Summary Background
Age: 29
Place of Birth: Chinchilla
Secondary Education: Macgregor State High, achieving School Captain, Dux of the School and an OP 1.
Tertiary Education: Bachelor of Laws (First Class Honours), Bachelor of Commerce (Accountancy, Banking and Finance)
Professional Qualifications: Solicitor to Supreme Court and High Court of Australia; Solicitor of England and Wales.
Professional Experience: Associate, Clifford Chance LLP, London; Associate, Minter Ellison (Brisbane); Senior Associate, Clayton Utz (Brisbane).
The race day stalls always attract numerous horse lovers who are able to check out the runners in their stalls and assess how they look throughout the day .Arsenal, you can be assured that the issue will be addressed.
Imo its one of the main advantages in attending the races.But its now becoming more difficult to see which horse is in which stall . emthdown
This is due to the smaller font used in printing the horse names on the plates on each stall, making it very difficult to read . :thumbsd:
Maybe its part of a cost saving exercise but not a good idea imo. :chair:
Arsenal, you can be assured that the issue will be addressed.
Then again it is only a racetrack and I still enjoyed my day. If you wanted decent food you would find a decent eatery elsewhere.
dd any ideas as to what becomes of the BTC Cup and so forth? I'd imagine they will require a name change.
BRC Cup :/
I'd opt to name it and others after a horse though.
Have Doomben a race named after Chief De Beers?
I know that Doomben have the Chief De Beers room but for how long ? ...don't forget he was a great horse who won many races at Doomben but nowhere else.
Yes and No.What is the QTC AGM?
2. We move from Dbn to EF at 11 for the QTC AGM. Then.... -())=(
What is the QTC AGM?
The Annual General Meeting of Qld Turf Club.I didn't think the Queensland Turf Club existed anymore?
Fans of the Queensland Reds should take note that they'll be at Eagle Farm on Saturday next.
I'm not going in to bat for freebie-weebies, bugger them, just questioning why there would be two people copping that grade of salary to run a race club. ;)I've learned not to believe everything that's posted on racing websites.
plans for a billion-dollar development
As for pokies, you really think BTC/QTC would have been granted a pokie licence with the clubs in the vicinity??? But stay tuned. You probably know that BRC owns the land where Hamilton Bowls Club lives.
Wasn't that a fateful little happening, the freehold grant, then ? So, what's the proposal, BRC supplies the land, developers build, both maintain a stake ?Max
Max
You seem a bit "narky" about the grant being made 150 years ago for the use of a ti-tree swamp as a race track? Maybe I'm reading you incorrectly.
Had the grant not been made, we'd have NO Eagle Farm. I can't imagine a world without it, can you?
And similarly, there'd be no Suncorp Stadium, Gabba, Ekka, etc etc.
The core land of EF can not be used for anything other than racing. As for other land owned by BRC, well it's an open book for now.
thats whats being done maxwell,rents and income streams for future generations....to think bib bob even suggested moving to goodna was ridiculed all the way to the gurgling toilet that stakeholders wish he would pull the chain on himself and resign in disgrace.....you can why the industry concern over his loss of about 600k in the 2 court decisions over his attempt to stack the board of the disgraced qrl pty ltd
The BRC has changed the "traditional names" of many of the feature races run at Doomben and Eagle Farm.
There'll be some criticism at the change of the traditional Hopeful/Meynink and McDougall to the Phelan Ready and Calaway Gal.
Arsenal
From what I saw yesterday, the matters you referred to have been addressed.
Wind doesn't help. :sweat:
Good to know you knew how to take photos and be on the punt whilst still in nappies 8-)
uesday, 22 December 2009: Concerns over the condition of the Eagle Farm track have forced two holiday meetings to be transferred to Doomben.
The decision to transfer upcoming meetings was made today following an inspection of remedial work to the outside section of the Eagle Farm course proper.
Although the remedial work had been undertaken last week the track had not responded as initially forecast due to limited rainfall and extremely hot weather conditions.
Queensland Racing and the Brisbane Racing Club took the decision to transfer the meetings on Monday December 28 and Saturday January 2 to Doomben.
The transfers require changes to the distances to several races.
1000m races go to 1010m; 1300m and 1400m events to 1350m; 1500m and 1600m events will be run over 1615m and 1800m events are back to 1615m.
Isn't there a new forum rule about posting these news grabs without comment?
Does DD recommend this formica, or not?
Does DD recommend this formica, or not?
DRESS REGULATIONS for MEMBERS' AREAS at Doomben and Eagle Farm
From March 1, the BRC reverted to standard dress regulations. Members and their guests are reminded that Gentlemen are required to again wear a collared shirt with a suit jacket and/or a tie.
Media Release from yesterday:
2 March 2010
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“Facility improvements will be made including the construction of synthetic international standard bowling greens as part of the BRC’s Master Plan,” said Mr Dixon.
Arsenal,Only if you wear a coat :stop:
The way I read that, the tie is optional.
I presume you're referring to the Gunsynd Gardens? If so, a very resounding YES to your question. It will be made into something special, with BBQ facilities, etc. On a good day they'll match Brekky Creek
Re your penultimate line, I hope you right. But there's nothing to say you will be.
How long would it take me to get on the committee?
DJHBrilliant!
I should have added that from May, BRC members will also have their own Brisbane Racing Sports and Social Club at which to eat, drink and gamble (and gambol). (The old Hamilton Bowls Club which is being purchased by BRC. It's on BRC land.)
You really can't afford NOT to be a member of BRC.
I can assure you the BRC were thinking long before they acquired the Bowls Club. :lol:They are one up on many other clubs then.
Had a look over the new Falvelon Bar and Celebration Lawn at Doomben tonight.
If you are at Doomben Sat rock up and say hello. I will be the bloke with only one shoe and a limp (have had foot surgery recently). No jokes please, cause it still hurts. DD can point me out.
Just to clarify, dress standards, Suit and tie, or can we get away with just suit pants and jacket, and or suit paints and dress shirt and tie, no jacket ?
or dress shirt and coat.
Just to clarify? :what: :what: :what: Now we're all confused!
Where's the source of confusion, Pisces?
Wonder what women are allowed to wear :biggrin:
Arse,
Will you be there on straddy day ??
:beer:
I tipped him a winner and was afraid he was going to hug me.
vads industry burning as you type and support bent bob and your worrying about f4 divvies on the screen...tounge in cheek or you for real part-na?
DDvadim
As F4's are now a popular form of betting why is we continue to show only the first three placings on the main screens?
Only a minor squablle but when the sound is questionable and the Sky screens a mess it wouldn't be too much to show the F4 official rsult along with the starting prices.
vadim
I always know who's run 4th, 'cause I will have backed it the place. :sad:
Seriously, the Clubs have no input into the screen content - they're hooked up with TABCORP/UNiTAB displays. Will take a look at it Saturday.
tabcorp/unitab vads thats in bobs portfolio of sleaze give him a tingle ole son :biggrin:
Arsenal. just going back a few posts, the designer who triumphed in the fashions on the field picture is a friend of mine Tovah Cottle. Lovely lady who is in a rich streak of form winning heaps of awards and contracts. Recently secured something with Triumph and is going great guns. Colourful past too, but is doing really really well now. Wish her all the best.
Fasdehere R3 was very agitated in his stall broke free and threw himself down pinning trainer Keith Smith against the back wall.Taken out to the walkway he stood like a lamb while being saddled and was vetted and cleared to run.He is a giant of a horse and very strong.Today he ran ingloriously.
Arsenal,
This horse similar to High Rollers--as in size ??
:beer:
Please explain
post on the doomben decision on the other threadOh I get it.
BRISBANE Racing Club will overhaul of its training operations, effectively forcing one and two-horse trainers out of the metropolitan area.
From August 1, all day-to-day training will be done at Eagle Farm, with Doomben only to be used for barrier trials, jumpouts and grass gallops.
The BRC has devised new criteria regarding who receives a permit, with the key being a trainer needing to have had a minimum of 26 starters in the previous 12 months, or demonstrating plans to meet that number.
Trainers will also be charged for a minimum of four horses per day, irrespective of the number in work.
All trainers must make application to train on BRC premises at the beginning of each season and if approved, a 12-month permit will be granted.
The move is designed to reduce the BRC's losses on training from $700,000 to $500,000, with the savings coming from the need to service only one full-time training facility.
BRC figures show that the top 40 trainers provide 96 per cent of starters, while the remaining 20 make up just 4 per cent, despite accounting for 36 per cent of the floats each morning.
Eagle Farm can only provide 35 float parks.
"Unfortunately, the economies of scale achieved by centralising day-to-day training are too great to ignore," said BRC chief executive Stephen Ferguson.
"We will be working with trainers to minimise any impact."
Racing Queensland chief executive Mal Tuttle said RQL would try to facilitate those ousted trainers at Deagon.
"It is the Brisbane Racing Club's right to make those changes," Tuttle said. "The most important thing is that we don't want to be losing owners, trainers and in particular horses from the industry.
"Deagon can accommodate those trainers, but if they wish to go elsewhere, we will certainly help to whatever extent we can."
Brian Wakefield has been one of the leading trainers at Doomben in recent times.
"It is a little disappointing, but it has been in the wind for a while," Wakefield said.
Bambi = Cute small ones that frolic around with just a horse or two. Nice guys who are not in Sheik Mohammeds iPhone contacts list but you never want to harm. No one shoots Bambi in the Disney movie Ted.
dd,MIA?
Any forum members going to Eagle Farm Saturday?God-willing I shall be there, Spudda. :)
Any forum members going to Eagle Farm Saturday?
In another CM report trainers want to meet with RQ Here's what Bob said :p
"Racing Queensland chairman Bob Bentley said he was prepared to meet with trainers but would tell them it was a BRC matter.
"We're prepared to meet with trainers at any time but this has nothing to do with us," Bentley said.
"If Racing Queensland owned the facility this would not be happening."
Any forum members going to Eagle Farm Saturday?
sorry mate as labor premier in relation to what?In relation to Bart turning up with a float containing 2 horses.
I am told the BRC are the ONLY club in SE Qld who will no longer accept the Owners card. emthdown
Having also announced the closing of Doomben as a training centre this week one has to wonder what the future holds for metropolitan racing in Queensland.
For example, let's take away the idea that if I owned a hair in the tail of a horse a couple of years back
vads you should join anna b-lies brigade and give her some help with the eloquence exibited in your last post....so birdsville should honour 500 owners cards for their annuals at a cost of 10,000 in gate takings?
From what I see, BRC are concentrating their efforts on improving the day for owners who have horses RUNNING at their meetings. That's a reasonable approach, IMO.
vadim
A few comments:
1. What happens in Victoria with the Owners' Card equivalent is a poor analogy and has no relevance. Victorian clubs haven't been starved of funds (as have the major Qld clubs).
We all know why the BRC is lacking $950,000 annually - the fault of previous blind governance not Owners.
2. It's not just a matter of losses at the entry gate or what happens on big days. I expect BRC is very mindful of potential damage to its membership base - who provide a half-million bucks or so each year - by offering de facto membership to anyone who's had a share in a horse anywhere in Qld in recent years. Loss of membership earnings would be another kick in the guts for the finances.
I have answered this comment previously. I know the effect it had on the BTC.
3. Those who originally put up the "owners' card" concept knew there was consequential damage to race clubs coffers. Why else would they have put up the $30,000 carrot? Do you know why the promise of the $30,000 was withdrawn. As I see it, was a very poor way to do business.
After my time but always thought that compensation was unwarranted.
4. The fact that you enjoyed hospitality at Twba recently had nothing to do with the "owners' card" attracting you to the races for a "free night". So let's get that clear. You'd have been there living it up regardless of the existence of the OC.
The last time I will tell you anything in confidence :bye: :bye:
5. I stand by my claim that all other clubs (apart from BRC) had NIL to lose by accepting the OC. I expect their decision was made on political rather than financial grounds. (I expect the BRC's decision was made on financial grounds.)
I would like to see the financials substantiated :chin:
6. I am an owner, but contribute far more to the racing game as a punter. I don't expect a free entry to any and every race track. It puzzles me somewhat that we have punters turning over hundreds of thousands a year on TABs - and contributing several per cent of that to racing's prizemoney - but they aren't given a punters' card in recognition of their generosity to owners. I repeat my bewilderment that someone who owned a share of horse that it now spelling, or too old to race, would expect free entry to any racecourse when their horse was not running.
Agree and this needs fixing up
7. Owners (and I am one) will say "there's no racing without owners". Punters (and I am one) will say "there's no racing without punters". What's more important is that there'll be no racing without race clubs who have developed waste tracts of land into what we now race on week in, week out. If the list of racing's free-loaders keeps growing, you can get ready for sweepstakes racing.
You are exaggerating the free-loader numbers if referring to OC.
8. My own view is that there is a place for an OC of some sort, but the present format is a loser. Also, IMO, the OC should be tied to membership of QROA. But until QROA get themselves untied from RQ's apron their credibility will be suspect in the minds of many potential members. (And I'm stunned that the QROA executive can't see that.) I say, get out of Deagon, be self-sufficient, be a true advocate for owners, and enjoy the fruit.
Who is to blame for this???
Finally, it's becoming apparent to all that race clubs do not have a bottomless pit of money and are struggling to get near a break-even situation. Shame that they're the ones who cop most of the costs in running training and race meetings, yet all the earnings from betting go elsewhere to be handled as others think fit. emthdown
Who is to blame for this???
Did the race clubs negotiate their deals with the controlling bodies and Sky channel? Or were they dictated to?
If they were dictated to it is illegal to Federal law.
If they negotiated, all directors should hang their heads in shame and be promptly removed from their positions
You offering yourself as a director, DJH?I am part crazy, so....... maybe
Noble ambition. emthup The allowances paid to race club directors will set you up for life. :lol:Don't want allowances of any kind, and don't have hidden agendas.I just want the industry I love to survive and thrive.
DJH I thought Julia was already tasked with taking anything and everything in Australia forward.:lol: :lol: :lol:
techinally so is ted e.....but the bones of the soon to be departed will not have cured yet...so young ted e will have to train again and rightly so in the essence of time this era of queensland racing will be declared the most rorted/corrupted and divisional ever seen in the anals of bob bent.s history of racing in queensland...if you dont believe ted e djh try emailing by pigeon to jj atkins......fools and thiefs never prosper for long...note exception to the rule must be the awus dribblin bill and his sidekicks/dropkicks in son joe and bob bent.Am I missing something Ted??
the stakeholders will have a say djh so neck up :shutup:
Oh, right. :lol:
You got a team of 8 lined up to take over?
Early reports indicate that the Sydney race clubs are being offered a sweetener of $175 million to accept the merger recommendation. :clap2:
The Brisbane clubs were PENALISED $1 mill for merging. :rant:
DJHI will do that DD emthup
Just shoot them into the CEO....he'll be pleased to reply. Might even send you a complimentary for providing such useful feedback.
Readers of the C-M might be interested in an item on the Brisbane Racing Precinct in the "Prime Site" section of yesterday's edition (pp 90-91).
Said BRC Chairman, Kevin Dixon: "I can absolutely say that this plan is based on both racetracks continuing to be racetracks." :clap2:
Fire this morning destroyed the house at Eagle Farm previously occupied by the racecourse manager.
The 2010 Annual Report is available on the BRC website.
http://www.brc.com.au/about-the-brc/corporate-info/reports-publications/
Gratlog
In a post Bligh LNP Govt I suspect the Bentley days will quickly become a fond memory. Even Ted will be smiling LOL, and could reveal his true persona to us.
i see the annual report shows trainers fee revenue of $790,000 for 480 horses which averages to about $4.50 a day
flemington 2009 annual report states "At present, the cost per horse to train at Flemington is less than $1 per day" (pg 9)
anyone able to shed light on what are the stable rent fees and trainers fee they charge at brc?
Perhaps it is time for RQ to step up and provide all of the training for the Metro facilities and remove the cost/revenue from the BRC?
Perhaps it's time for RQ to do what the relevant legislation sets out - rather than spend millions acquiring racecourses.
Plus...do what the orginal TAB agreement was...which was to channel earnings from wagering to race clubs, rather than waste in on loans/gifts/whatever to race clubs impoverished due to RQL policies.
Now that will start a debate. :lol:
You make a very pointed statement p and it has been dismissed without proper reasoning by both norton & dubbledee.
Perhaps it is time for RQ to step up and provide all of the training for the Metro facilities and remove the cost/revenue from the BRC?
Gee will this start a debate :biggrin:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/gratlog/doom.jpg)
Just enquiring about a little on the history of Doomben.
Even DD and Norton weren't around when the straight six was finished :biggrin: but I was wondering did John Wren own Doomben in those days?
Perhaps MagiC can let us know how things are going with the new stabling at Sunshine Coast - this is the sort of show vadim is advocating.
i see the annual report shows trainers fee revenue of $790,000 for 480 horses which averages to about $4.50 a day
If the cost for stabling at EF is in fact around $10 a day - as an owner I'd be very satisfied to be paying that to have my horse stabled in a warm, dry, secure box, within walking distance of the best training facilities around SEQ. Trainers charge around $70 a day for training, so 15% towards my horse's lodging is very fair, IMO.]
Lets have a look:
I understand they are leasing in 16 box lots
On a 6 month lease each box would cost $70/month, 2 year lease $65 & 5 years $62.50.
If you were to say lease 48 boxes over 5 years then this reduces to 57.50.
The leasing arrangement gives access to 8 horse walkers (ratio 1:32 horses), sandroll (1:32), hosedown (1:16).
On top of this there is a charge for training of $15/week which allows access to grass gallops and the pool.
Should you require grass jump-outs they cost $20.
Therefore as a comparision say we take 32 boxes on a 5 year lease then cost per horse;
62.50/month + $15/week = $750/annum + $780/annum = $1,530/365 = $4.19/day
Oops hold fire.
If I am going to compare apples with apples (Norton phrase) I should add that the BRC also charge an extra $4.00/day for track fees.
Therefore the comparision is $14.33/day versus $4.19/day for Sunshine Coast.
i.e approximatley 29.23% of BRC cost.
I understand that the SCTC cost/day might refelct the cost of training on the Gold Coast in time.
vadim, thanks for that.
I notice you have no argument wuth the facts :biggrin:
That 5-year package of 32 boxes would be attractive to how many trainers in SEQ? One???
Surely you are remarking in jest. There are two or three trainers alone @ BRC who are in that category alone. Perhaps if the BRC rate continues they all might end up at the SCTC or the GCTC thus ending the junket currently extended to the club. What have I said previously about shutting the gate on participants :no:
I know it for a fact that it does not cost $65/horse for services. Try something closer to less than $20 - that wiill be the driving factor :nowink:
My own view - and from what I can ascertain it's shared by many others - is that the EF training facilities are way better than what's on offer at SC.
And who might you be referring to? Name some names ;)
I don't hear of anyone wanting to leave EF and head north. You might know more on that???
Will all depend on the cost eventually. The club has a major problem with debt collecting as has been made obvious in the recent past. I wonder why?
But I wasn't asking about costs...
Becasue you have no justifiable answers!
The questions were, is anyone in there, and how much are they paying. I gather there were a lot of introductory offers over the Carnival at mates' rates? Would that be true?
vadim, you're letting past events impact on your objectivity. Ya used to wanna throw rocks at QTC, now ya starting on BRC. :unsu Ya gotta take Jooooolia's advice and move on. ;)
Just a few comments...
1. Feel free to name any names you like. I'm not an apologist for anyone. :nowink:
2. You seem somewhat irritated that BRC is using a legitimate income source (stabling built by QTC from its own funds to help owners and trainers during EI) in order to stem their losses - due to their commitment to provide training and racing facilities. Or would you prefer to see them go down the gurgler completely and let Bob take over?
3. What BRC does at EF with their stabling over the Winter Carnival is purely a decision for them. (If they provide accommodation - free or otherwise - for horses racing over the Carnival - that's their business.) What happens at SC is another matter. The five star SC facilities were built with money that should have been directed into prize-money. Building a spelling farm for southern horses during the winter would not be my idea of good value for money.
4. Re the number of trainers attracted by the option at SC - yes there are numerous potential customers, but where are they? Nowhere to be seen at SC. They prefer EF with its numerous training options.
5. You continue to bleat about costs of EF stabling/training. Yes they are high, but that's the price of training these days, I guess. Market forces will determine the future of EF. As an owner I'd much prefer to pay the going rate than see money that should be going into prizemoney siphoned to support my personal "hobby".
6. So we can get all the info re SC except how many trainers are in the new complex and what they're paying. We all know what the advertised rate is. :shutup: And how's the big international quarantine station going up there? :lol:
BRC is starting to get good crowds again at the races, and things might get even busier once the Spring carnival goes big time in the south.
No better place to watch a Spring classic than at the local races if you can't go south for the real thing. Certainly was fun last Sat for this Forumite. Pic is courtesy of the terrific website www.horseracingonly.com.au
The first Polo event to be held at Doomben takes place on 23 October.
http://www.doombenpolo.com.au/
If ya wanna see last year's event (in Sydney) take a peek at this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VahgBHOSEzk
And Killarney's Ace in the opening event on the old AP. :clap2:
I pretty sure RW suffered a terrible injury to an eye in a polo accident a year or so back.
Vadim
You will have to go to Polo without me to hold your chukka for you. I am at rehearsals that day for the canonisation of Mary McKillop (I am one of her miracles).
Norton while your there can you please ask why we keep drawing out in the carpark at each start....and the same carpark I might add. :whistle:I'm sure connections of some of you main opponents would willingly swap. :yes:
Norton while your there can you please ask why we keep drawing out in the carpark at each start....and the same carpark I might add. :whistle:
Vadim
You will have to go to Polo without me to hold your chukka for you. I am at rehearsals that day for the canonisation of Mary McKillop (I am one of her miracles).
I don't know---it must be the lasped Catholic in me--a few recent "miracles" have happened to me in the last few years:-
-love bagging Ted---but deep down I reckon he is ok---its either him or me on the wrong politic side---who knows :beer:
:o
Chuggers
DD is known in closed circles as Mr Never Makes A Mistake. Resistance is pointless, although he was wrong once back on October 19 in 1976 when he suggested, as navigator in a car, that I should turn left when the better course was to go right. He was actually above Mary McKillop on the official list for Sainthood but she pre-deceased him. All the better for DD and rest of us.
BTW, can you name me a Kiwi saint? I reckon they are about as rare as gold medals at Dehli.
Chuggers
DD is known in closed circles as Mr Never Makes A Mistake. Resistance is pointless, although he was wrong once back on October 19 in 1976 when he suggested, as navigator in a car, that I should turn left when the better course was to go right. He was actually above Mary McKillop on the official list for Sainthood but she pre-deceased him. All the better for DD and rest of us.
BTW, can you name me a Kiwi saint? I reckon they are about as rare as gold medals at Dehli.
Love it--I get your drift :biggrin:
I've had similar situations in my young life.
Is DD a Kiwi ?? That would be good to know if it is the case---then I know what angle to debate on.
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Chuggers
The bloody place would have sunk into the Pacific by now if DD was a Kiwi. No, Vadim is the Kiwi amongst us.
DD likes his sheep but (hopefully) it is limited to the crumbed lamb chops they used to serve at the now defunct QTC lunches when Vadim and Mono needed a clean suit and tie after each venture to the swill.
Is DD a Kiwi ?? That would be good to know if it is the case---then I know what angle to debate on.
If it's a MILLION millions, BRC will need a loan. :sad:
Ah, they've got to you on this one, too, eh, vadim? :sad:
Letter to Members from BRC Chairman
14th December, 2010
Could have sworn this was the same letter we received three years ago :lol:
We do not know which pieces of existing information Mr. Bentley says he has not received.
It is my guess we will be told
The Board appreciates member’s patience during this master planning process.
:sleep:
We are working towards lodgement of the Preliminary Approval before the end of this year or in the first couple of weeks of January. or
BRC Newletter on the Master Plan is attached for those interested.
And vadim, I would have bet yesterday's winnings that you'd come out swingin' on this. :lol:
I've been around Brisbane races for a while and have never seen a letter that even closely resembles what's just been mailed out. You seem to have - but just like Bob's $100 million valuation of AP, ya having a lend of us.
As for the distribution process, I'd guess that members who have provided email addresses get theirs by email. :whistle:
DD I am just a very frustrated and keen Metro race goer - nothing else.
You know the history as well as anyone - we have not progressed in anyway over the last two years and certainly not from the time we struggled to get the amalagmation up.
We do have a new facility at Doomben which has been appreciated by all. Some adjustment to the broadcast would be a further enhancement.
No on is complaining about the small things it is the larger plan.
No stables on course for our trainers - promised over five years ago. This would save most of them an inordinate amount of time early morning getting horses on & off the track.
Conitinuing letters and propganda re the progress of the development application depsite having a special committee set up to fast track the process by the Lord Mayor.
Can we afford this self funding project? I don't know but it is fair to say we haven't progressed too far in three years depsite the content of the recent letter.
The RQ infrastructure plan shed plans for the rest of the state but not one $ for the Metro area depsite the obvious need and the input the area has into TAB turnover.
Personally I think the whole debacle is just a poilitical stand-off between the two boards. It is about time they started to be civil and talk to each other. But then there is always the next election :mad:
I will personally arrange a meeting between the Boards to see if there is not some common ground. Now see if that is picked up :rolleyes:
Had showers from about noon. Meeting was never in doubt though, and in the end everyone was very happy to get through the day.
As an aside to all of the previous post I wonder what the BRC's official position is on RQ's current infrstructure plan is?vadim, rather than sitting up late at night pondering on such matters, why not drop a line to the CEO of BRC?
BRC Junior membership numbers increased during the week.
If breeding counts for anything, he'll be a good punter. :rolleyes:
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I wonder why the BRC doesn't provide audible announcements in the betting rings?DJH
Many times I have had to strain my ears to try and hear what the non punters in the outer areas are being told.
The most recent example was the abandonment of the last at Doomben on Sunday?
It was barely audible in the betting ring. Only the distant sounds from the other sections rang through.
This seems to be the case at both EF and Doomben.
Any reason why the punters in the betting rings are not told of track upgrades/downgrades/late scratchings etc???
Do we get an clues on the stallion and/or dam?On the spear side, although domiciled interstate, the grand-dam has made her presence felt on Brisbane racecourses over the years.
DDNorton, that sort of hogwash appeals to the audience he's going after.
I note that Dr Phil has accused race club committees such as yours of "raping" racecourse patrons, committing atrocities and violations I dare not enquire about here :o .
Um. Is that akin to bringing racing into disrepute? :whistle: Or is it true? >:(
Gawd, don't tell me a well known Forumite who has been pictured once of twice here is now a grandmother.
Well, congrats dear lady.
Richo! :bleh: I'll always be younger than you lol[/b]
I might blur it a little between stated age and chronological age as most women are entitled too :yes: buuuuuuuuuuut I'm not quite 85 years old yet! lol
To all the polite posters :) it's great to be a nan, I have no doubt Max will be into horses as both sides of the family are :)
Max turns his head and smiles at the telly whenever Eagle farm is on :love:
Very good promo today by the BRC with their $1 day emthup
A good crowd turned up to take advantage.
I was a bit dissapointed that it cost me $4 for a bottle of water when I could have bought a coke for $1 :what:
Other than that was a good raceday, which got people coming to the racetrack
I would expect it cost the BRC a fair bit though?
emthup
The Sunday Markets will happen.
Last I heard a traffic island was required at the junction of McGill Avenue and Lancaster Road. This is just one of the numerous obstacles that a race club has to overcome these daze.
Probably the last of racing's assets that aren't mortgaged.
Whatever it takes, but a.s.a.p.
They'd be all questions for the CEO of BRC, Garduen. He'll respond pretty quickly if you flick him an email.
I note you're a local resident...have you participated in the community info sessions, etc?
This week's Brisbane Development E-Newsletter:
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the conversion of the members’ car park into public parkland at the corner of Lancaster and Kitchener roads.
The up market townhouses lost :sad: big money last
Development within Eagle Farm racecourse will have a range of heights up to a maximum of a dozen storeys but there will be a maximum of five storeys fronting Nudgee Rd.
I recall the Mein St corner development as a tower unit 7 storeys :sad:
Aged care accommodation and community facilities are supported within Doomben with a maximum height of five storeys.
:what: Is this a compromise as it has never been published/advocated before?
Maximum heights of three storeys will be allowed along Lancaster Rd
Not so sure that this draft helps the proposed commercial development and the self-funding proposals
Just see that Brett's Wharf is closing due to the traffic problems in that area
vadim, good that you can see a lot of positives in the outcome. emthup
Norton, no need to try second-guessing me. :lol:
The sea-food platter at BRSSC would feed you, me, vadim, mono and Barry Baldwin.
Chuggers, I will join you if can suffer me. Discuss details later.
For how long? :bop:I dunno how long the Club can keep it going for
Seems a bit odd dubbles.......would be a big demand now catering for the combined members on their big day.It seems odd to me, too, Arsenal. That's what I posted the info.
Guy I know who joined BRC said he was told his guest badges don't give access to the members bar on Stradbroke day.
Seems a bit odd if true. :whistle:
Ant word on the cost benefit analysis of the pie in the sky dreams of the BRC board ?
Should be a cracker of an AGM this year when the treasurer has to answer to how much of the members cash has been wasted on consultants for something that will never happen.
Maybe the treasurer (who I beleive wanders these corridors) can answer the question on how much of member's land is being wrapped up in a gift box and being delivered to the offices of Watpac ? :/ :/ :/
You still going to have a job after the next election outsider ;)
I hear that the flea market is dead in the water and the only people who are happy with what has gone on are the consultants who have made been paid big $.
If they can't get a flea market up, how are they going to get a major development up ?
Under the BRC Constitution there is no Treasurer. That role now comes within the office of the CEO. I am told there is a Finance Committee but I do not know its terms of reference.
Why the sudden declaration the BRC plans are pie in sky? Genuine question...I have not heard of any dramatic changes that would cause doubt. Why do you say it will never happen. Possible change in Premier should guarantee the approved development can proceed. Campbell Newman launched the thing as far as I recall.
The joint venture matter was disclosed at day one.....no surprise there. Rumour is that aspects of the RQL plan could be joint venture, so there is a benchmark for you. The RNA Project already is with Lend Lease.
Please enlighten.
There's some light reading matter available in BRC's offices.
The rock-throwers won't wanna believe it, but the Master Plan Application has gone to Council.
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If RQL wants to do a significant redevelopment of Deagon to take trots and dogs (lights, power, roads, buildings, water, sewerage, car parks, noise etc) does it have to follow a similar path as BRC has done to Council? Remember this would be the building of an Interdom venue. If that is the case, would we see EF well under way before Deagon even starts?
Thank you Garduen. That all makes sense to an old health care professional.
As an aside I am not convinced that the benefits of the ULDA outweigh its limitations. I know of at least one ULDA project that is "forced" by the political process without due regard for citizens. And that Paul Lucas is now Minister for ULDA matters. Having served under PL previously, I am not a fan of his methods nor do I believe he is competent in any ministry. But that is for another debate for another day.
BTW good EW chance in Melbourne today. R6 #7 Can Do. Up in class here but will give a show.
Hey Vadim. Just an aside. One of the Funtantes owners told me yesty it has been almost two years since a win, but she has still earned decent prizemoney in the meantime. Gee she has been unlucky.:sad: :sad:
Being an unrefined goon who has never been to "markets", is it common practice to charge an entry fee?
There's some light reading matter available in BRC's offices.
The rock-throwers won't wanna believe it, but the Master Plan Application has gone to Council.
Monday last week I contacted some of the usual cronies I hang out with at the races to let them know the better half and I were booking a table for lunch in the 10,000 room or on the Terraces for the Racefest race day (BC planned to be here) and to get back to me asap if interested. As always there were a few who were straight in while a couple who were umming and ahhing to the point last night (still seats available) where I said I'm booking tomorrow, let me know before then. Of course go to book today but 'sold out'. Shaping up to be a busy carnival if only the rain can stay away!
Vadim I didn't read anywhere where Vintage said it was on 10,000 race day...his only mention was of the 10,000 room.
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Construction of the new Doomben betting ring is well under way.
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I know where the holes in the fence are at Doomben, so if anyone gets there late and gets locked out, just give me a call.
How can the BRC not afford to clean bird c*ap off the seats but can afford $180k for a Development Application ? .. and thats just the council fee .. need to plus plus plus the consultants fees. :/ :/Welcome to the forum, uate.
RNA....same principle as the BRC model.
Printing costs must be higher in Brisbane.
The 156 page racebook from the Gold Coast Prime Ministers Cup meeting was $5.00.
I will be happy to part with $8.00 for a racebook which in time may well be a collecters item.
I know where the holes in the fence are at Doomben, so if anyone gets there late and gets locked out, just give me a call.
Was nice to see a racecourse packed to the rafters again. Problem is that there were probably too many
All eyes were on BC in the mounting yard, which is now behind the members Stand. Even Alan Thomas, our revered SKY caller, took time out from the cans to watch in awe. If only he had known about the mob below trying to share his view, he would have locked the door. Or would he?
Thanks to a couple of committee people who popped into our box to make sure all was well.
Bring on the 10,000. :clap2:
Chuggers, I'll handle the general chatter with the lovelies thank you-can't have you getting into strife with the lovely Juggers can we........
Vadim, true to form, chose the private suite once the exclusive use of Russ Hinze. That's Vadim standing in the box at the far left of the top of the main stand. Wonder if he found any money under the seats.
The only way you could have taken this photo Norton would have been from the marquee set aside exclusively for the Black Caviar brigade. Obviously swanning it again.vadim
In all seriousness though congratulations to the Club. A great day for all those that attended. Witnessed a couple of altercations from afar but having wandered through the crowd on two or three occasions most seemed well behaved and enjoying the atmosphere.
The Club did well to get the new facilities up and running principally for Members.
Onwards and upwards. A terrific start to the Carnival in Brisbane.
Hey mono any reason it took till almost midday to post? Big day / night I take it? Bit of a Sunday morning sleep in?
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Cameras have come a long way since the Box Brownie.
Wait til i learn how to use mine and you will show some respect.
DD, I wasn't going to criticise your underexposure but will now. :rolleyes:
The printing is readable for old people. :unsu
As it is for punters, has any thought been given to make it not only readable but also edible?
You would have been welcome in vadim's tent. You certainly were a point of discussion. A few Forumites were there.
Get real.
I found something wrong :)
Can anyone tell me why we can't get fixed odds through the TAB at the BRC? :sad:
The other TAB tracks have it available.
Apparently Tabcorp have the contract to supply the oncourse Totes at BRC tracks.
The cost of software to enable them to provide Unitab Fixed odds is prohibitive I am told.
Why Tabcorp have the contract I don't know :chin:
Reading through the email for Saturdays 10,000. Can someone explain this to me please:
Dress Code Structured Racewear
WTF?
I heard the racebooks were OK. I'm just dirty I forgot to get someone to get me one for a keepsake. :sad:
I will get you one next week if you like.
I doubt I will be buying them for myself anymore. I may have to get best bets, God forbid
Good news that all facilities at Eagle Farm were back operational today after 4 months' closure to allow fire safety installations.
When I walked onto the course today I had no idea whether I'd win or lose, but I was at least confident I wouldn't get burnt. :sweat:
Not betting with the on course bookies?
The list is too long GW :lol::lol: Cappish DJH.........................................cappish! :lol: Now I understand!
Yeah, I s'pose the Tatts members could pick up a bus in Edward Street and head south-west. Would be a day to remember, for sure.
I think the RED CARD should go to RISA and the dumb clucks at the BRC who signed off on the new style racebook....the most overpriced piece of rubbish ever released on the gullible public at the exorbitant price of $8. :thumbsd:
Bigger and more unwieldy than the normal racebook with lots of full page colour advertisements which should have kept the cost down unless they were freebies.
To start with the weights weren't shown on the form page ,you needed a magnifying glass to read the small print on the preview pages where they did remember to include weights, colour was overdone,there was no form for Adelaide or Rockhampton or for the other meetings Townsville and Belmont which didn't' worry me but Gold Coast form wasn't included at a previous meeting when it always was in the old style book at a more affordable price of $5.
I've always bought a racebook at every meeting I've ever been to.....but that's it for me NO More. :stop:
Yes Arsy
You can see that these racebooks were designed and overviewed by people that have got very little idea when it comes to the most important person in racing - the punter.
Arsenal are you sure that the racebook that has been in use over the carnival was'nt just a "carnival only " style racebook?
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The spin doctors at QR seems like they have found new jobs at the QTC sorry BRC
It's a Masterpiece imo......Well Done PR person & KD :no1:As Kevin Dixon wrote:
I'm sending some suggestions to Darren Condon about the Racebook ....it's no bloody good the way it is....why they changed from the old format is a mystery.
The current book is way too large and unweildy......... should go back to how it was.
The horse Name and Number is in bold type but the barrier. jockey and trainer are not and are harder to see where they are ..........while they stood out in the old format.
Using alternative line shadings on the fields in the pre race page makes it more difficult to see and it's superfluous imo and the jockey silks in greyscale are a waste of ink.
And including comments on each runner isn't necessary imo.
Still no form for the ancilliary meetings Gold Coast is the most obvious omission it was always in the old book as was Adelaide not in the current one.
It's noticeable that very few patrons stop at the Racebook Kiosk as they enter the course so they either won't pay the $6 price or don't need a book.
I realise it's likely that racebooks wouldn't make a profit or even cover costs and if the regular clients drop off due to dissatisfaction the loss will be greater.
Email sent. :thumbsup:
Received an out of office reply ....he's on hols till 26 July. :tears:
Be a nice surprise when he resumes work fresh and ready to get stuck into it. :lol:
funny that he is again on holiday...I received similar response to an email I sent off recently. :embarrassed:
A bit of prime real estate owned by Brisbane Racing Club is set to be auctioned next month.
http://www.harcourts.com.au/Property/View/QAS4599/Hendra-60-Gordon-Street
Great potential for someone who would like to spend their life looking down the back straight at Eagle Farm. :love:
Why sell. The NEW RQL will be looking for digs soon. Racing Victoria resides at the top of the Flemington Straight, why not Racing Qld at the top of the EF straight. Charge them rent though.
A bit of prime real estate owned by Brisbane Racing Club is set to be auctioned next month.
http://www.harcourts.com.au/Property/View/QAS4599/Hendra-60-Gordon-Street
Great potential for someone who would like to spend their life looking down the back straight at Eagle Farm. :love:
Far be it for me to complain.....I'm still waiting patiently for the BRC to respond to my complaint about the new style racebooks. :o
It's been about one month ......maybe I should have complained to Bob he seems to respond more promptly. :shutup:
I notice on Sunday on the Retro show that Duff's book is more like the style I'm advocating we revert to. :thumbsup:
The Queensland Racing proposition for Doomben gave members an undertaking that Doomben would remain a racing and training venue for 99 years
I wonder if that was the same undertaking, that Albion Park would not have been sold :chin:
and the same undertaking that the Trainers at Deagon, would not have to move.
Ahh, that's right, it was under another entity, Queensland Racing, not Racing Queensland, so therefore undertaking was invalid :o
Hang on, wasn't the offer to buy Doomben, also offered by the deceased QR, so therefore, the undertaking not to sell, would also have been invalid :shrug:
thanks alot DD :lol: was a good night and was pleasing to see some other people recognized for their efforts in racing was very humbling for joe zoppi to recieve his award and very deserving for him bruce and david the guys behind the scenes :no1: :no1: :no1:
They were saying that 80% barely earn more than the basic wage. Would that be right?
Ta for the info PD.
emthup
I see no harm at all in the B&W jockey "colours" and in fact, I use them often during the running of a race. It's not correct to say they serve no purpose. They quickly show if the jackets are striped, and whether there are armbands, etc. Way ahead of the written description of the colours.
I would like them to offer free WiFi on course.Pay for ya own ya miserable bugger. Next thing you'll want free phones, and a pre-paid taxi driven by Miss World.
a pre-paid taxi driven by Miss World.
I get WiFi at McDonalds. And at major airports outside Australia. C'mon old man get with it. You know all those young Gen Y's expect it.And how many Maccas have you been into that are the size of a racecourse? and with as many customers?