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« 2015-Jul-03, 12:12 PM Reply #25 »
Phew. 

BRC reports today the Minister and RQ have given the green light to the tunnel construction project at Eagle Farm.   :no1:

Straddie will be back for the next 150 years.  That should see me out.  :/

Good to see Minister talking to race clubs and saying noice things. :clap2:

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« 2015-Jul-03, 07:57 PM Reply #26 »
Wot took him so long?

I'd hate to see a 'non-racing' person in the job  :whistle:

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« 2015-Jul-03, 09:03 PM Reply #27 »
In the Sat CM ......
Looks like the BRC is proactive in helping our brand

QUEENSLAND races will benefit from increased exposure on racing broadcaster Sky Channel after a positive meeting between industry heavyweights on Friday.  Angry over a perceived snub during the Queensland winter carnival, Brisbane Racing Club officials had a debrief with Sky bosses on Friday.  As a result, Queensland Saturday meetings will be given a full and extensive preview on Sky’s premium Thoroughbred Central channel.  It is only a trial but should fix the situation which saw Queensland pre-race interviews, mounting yard coverage and post-race analysis virtually non-existent on Sky during the carnival.

“I was encouraged by the meeting. We now have an opportunity to get Queensland better placed with Sky Racing coverage,’’ BRC chief executive Dave Whimpey said. “It is important that Queensland gets at least equal billing with the other states, and especially around Group 1 racing time. It is clear to us that NSW and Victoria took precedence during the winter carnival and we wanted that situation looked at.’’

Sky Racing 1 will still feature wall-to-wall live races but the Sky Thoroughbred Central channel is set to feature Queensland more prominently.  BRC officials have been promised the trial will start on Saturday in a deal which should be more palatable to Queensland punters.  Coverage of Saturday’s provincial NSW meeting in Newcastle will only feature live race coverage before Sky Thoroughbred Central crosses to extensive Queensland content.  A Sky spokesman said the issue of race scheduling on their broadcasts was complex and they were doing their best to please all parties.


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« 2015-Jul-03, 09:32 PM Reply #28 »
Ascot why wasnt it approved by the previous Liberal government, or previous board?

But don't let that get in front of your rose tinted glasses.

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« 2015-Jul-03, 09:36 PM Reply #29 »
In the Sat CM ......
Looks like the BRC is proactive in helping our brand

QUEENSLAND races will benefit from increased exposure on racing broadcaster Sky Channel after a positive meeting between industry heavyweights on Friday.  Angry over a perceived snub during the Queensland winter carnival, Brisbane Racing Club officials had a debrief with Sky bosses on Friday.  As a result, Queensland Saturday meetings will be given a full and extensive preview on Sky’s premium Thoroughbred Central channel.  It is only a trial but should fix the situation which saw Queensland pre-race interviews, mounting yard coverage and post-race analysis virtually non-existent on Sky during the carnival.

“I was encouraged by the meeting. We now have an opportunity to get Queensland better placed with Sky Racing coverage,’’ BRC chief executive Dave Whimpey said. “It is important that Queensland gets at least equal billing with the other states, and especially around Group 1 racing time. It is clear to us that NSW and Victoria took precedence during the winter carnival and we wanted that situation looked at.’’

Sky Racing 1 will still feature wall-to-wall live races but the Sky Thoroughbred Central channel is set to feature Queensland more prominently.  BRC officials have been promised the trial will start on Saturday in a deal which should be more palatable to Queensland punters.  Coverage of Saturday’s provincial NSW meeting in Newcastle will only feature live race coverage before Sky Thoroughbred Central crosses to extensive Queensland content.  A Sky spokesman said the issue of race scheduling on their broadcasts was complex and they were doing their best to please all parties.



Good too hear. But its a bit late, the carnival is over.....

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« 2015-Jul-04, 09:09 AM Reply #30 »
More Tunnel news today in the CM.....


THE urgency on a green light for Eagle Farm’s stalled tunnels project has finally hit home and work could begin before the end of the month. 
 
Insiders suggest it will take eight months from the starting point for the tunnels until Eagle Farm can race and that means work needs to start by August for the track to be ready for the winter carnival.“It’s no secret we need to get stuck into this project pretty quickly to have Eagle Farm open in time for the 2016 Winter Carnival,” BRC deputy chairman Richard Morrison said.  “If the approval comes through, the contractors can be working before the end of the month and under that scenario, barring a catastrophe, it will have us comfortably open in plenty of time before the carnival.  “We’re encouraged by the support of the Government for this major infrastructure project, which we view as very much a legacy project for the whole racing industry.”


Racing Minister Bill Byrne said a meeting of Government agencies, Racing Queensland and the Brisbane Racing Club had resolved key issues and a path was mapped out for the project which has been delayed for six months.


BTW Richard has a runner at Royal Caloundra today that is a great omen tip.  Trackstar in R3.

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« 2015-Jul-04, 09:26 AM Reply #31 »
Then there is some ALP indigestion over the Tatts deal.  That can't ne good for racing can it?  :/  This was a work in progress when the LNP unexpectedly lost the election.  The ALP allowed it to die on the vine.  Now the blame game plays out. 

Newman government deal with TattsBet costing taxpayers millions


A MAJOR wagering deal struck by the former Newman government has cost taxpayers millions in lost revenue after an exclusivity commitment was unable to be met. Attorney-General Yvette D’Ath has revealed State Cabinet has agreed to forgo $7.5 million in revenue from wagering company TattsBet after the Palaszczuk Government could not meet the LNP’s pledge to allow exclusivity over virtual racing products.  The decision to grant TattsBet exclusivity was made by the then Newman government in December, a month before the LNP lost power at the January 31 poll.


But Ms D’Ath said an existing exclusivity deal with fellow gambling company Keno was already in place at the time and would not expire until 2022.  She said the deal over the virtual racing products left the state in a position where it was impossible to satisfy exclusivity commitments to both TattsBet and Keno.  Ms D’Ath described the decision to accept the terms of the $7.5 million “get out” clause as the lessor of two evils with taxpayers otherwise potentially exposed to “hugely expensive” legal action. 
Cabinet was forced to accept the $7.5 million “get out” clause negotiated for TattsBet by former Treasurer Tim Nicholls as legislation could not be changed this year to allow its virtual wagering products.

Ms D’Ath blamed Mr Nicholls for the loss.  “It was monumental sloppiness by the LNP and it lies squarely at the feet of Mr Nicholls,” Ms D’Ath said.  “The LNP may have dumped him from the Treasury role but Queensland is haunted by constant and costly reminders of his slipshod work.”  Mr Nicholls could not be contacted for comment yesterday, but it is understood that under the deal the state had until June 30 to enter into a joint venture with TattsBet to produce a virtual racing product that was not in conflict with the Keno arrangement. 

It is understood Treasury obtained legal advice at the time which suggested the virtual racing product under consideration would not be in conflict with Keno’s own exclusivity deal.  An Opposition spokesman defended the decision to enter into the contract.  “The LNP made this a part of the original wagering agreement because we were confident we could get the deal done, and because it would mean even more money coming back to the people of Queensland,” he said.  “Not only will Queenslanders miss out on $7.5 million because Labor can’t get a deal done, they miss out a share of future profits from this partnership.”


Sarah Vogler in the Courier Mail
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« 2015-Jul-04, 02:05 PM Reply #32 »
Then there is some ALP indigestion over the Tatts deal.


Why would it be the ALP's indigestion  :what:

I would have though from reading the story the whole state is paying for incompetence of the previous government.  :shrug:

As for letting it die on the vine, if the story is right, wouldn't mopping up the mess be more apt?


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« 2015-Jul-04, 08:58 PM Reply #33 »
BTW Richard has a runner at Royal Caloundra today that is a great omen tip.  Trackstar in R3.

$5.90/$2.80  :thumbsup:

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« 2015-Jul-05, 09:45 AM Reply #34 »
Why would it be the ALP's indigestion  :what:

I would have though from reading the story the whole state is paying for incompetence of the previous government.  :shrug:

As for letting it die on the vine, if the story is right, wouldn't mopping up the mess be more apt?



Not quite.  The story is not quite factual, but seems to suggest the Attorney didn't consult properly with the Racing Minister.  The reality is that TABCORP holds a license in Qld to operate its cartoon racing as a product under it's Keno agreement.  Same as any State.  The license expires in 2022.  The exclusivity in the written contracts is for Keno games, not Virtual Racing.  There is no license for Virtual Racing per se in Qld, just Keno.

Tatts identified this some time ago and brokered a deal with the LNP Govt & RQ to include a new Virtual Racing product owned by UBet, the profits of which would be split 50/50 with RQ as partners.  It was legitimate and lawful, but a new license was required under the Gaming Act.  The license was a work in progress when Premier Newman called an unexpected early election.  With no activity in the Dept of Racing for this to be revived by the new Labor Government, it is believed that TABCORP has moved its lobbying to the Attorney's Dept to prevent a Tatts license being granted.  The Attorney has accepted the TABCORP position without testing it with Tatts (it is public knowledge that Tatts CEO could not get a meeting with the Minister for Racing), and cancelled the Tatts application and paid them $7.5M for defaulting.

It is far from a "clean up".  That is why the news reports says each side is blaming the other.  The public pays for it, and racing misses out on an income stream.  :sad:

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« 2015-Jul-05, 09:47 AM Reply #35 »
$5.90/$2.80  :thumbsup:

Pleased you found it JP.  Omen bets always work.    :biggrin:

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« 2015-Jul-05, 09:53 AM Reply #36 »
Richard also part-owns POP 'N' SCOTCH.

We won't talk about that, though.  Fair dinkum....  :chin:

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« 2015-Jul-05, 11:50 AM Reply #37 »
Not quite.  The story is not quite factual, but seems to suggest the Attorney didn't consult properly with the Racing Minister.  The reality is that TABCORP holds a license in Qld to operate its cartoon racing as a product under it's Keno agreement.  Same as any State.  The license expires in 2022.  The exclusivity in the written contracts is for Keno games, not Virtual Racing.  There is no license for Virtual Racing per se in Qld, just Keno.

Tatts identified this some time ago and brokered a deal with the LNP Govt & RQ to include a new Virtual Racing product owned by UBet, the profits of which would be split 50/50 with RQ as partners.  It was legitimate and lawful, but a new license was required under the Gaming Act.  The license was a work in progress when Premier Newman called an unexpected early election.  With no activity in the Dept of Racing for this to be revived by the new Labor Government, it is believed that TABCORP has moved its lobbying to the Attorney's Dept to prevent a Tatts license being granted.  The Attorney has accepted the TABCORP position without testing it with Tatts (it is public knowledge that Tatts CEO could not get a meeting with the Minister for Racing), and cancelled the Tatts application and paid them $7.5M for defaulting.

It is far from a "clean up".  That is why the news reports says each side is blaming the other.  The public pays for it, and racing misses out on an income stream.  :sad:

So you say (if we are to believe you)

The main crux I get from the story is the Libs couldn't get it done and the new government has to clean it up yet somehow you are blaming this on the current government.  :chin:

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« 2015-Jul-05, 02:21 PM Reply #38 »
Gintara, don't fixate on blame. Which bit about a revenue stream lost to racing and a $7M cost to the taxpayer don't you understand?

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« 2015-Jul-05, 08:32 PM Reply #39 »
Nathan Excelby reports:

CONFIRMATION this week that Tatts Group’s initial application for Virtual Racing has been knocked back is the latest blow for racing in Queensland.  Virtual Racing was a key element of last year’s 30-year agreement between Tatts and Racing Queensland, with estimates having the project worth $15-$20 million to the industry in its first year.

Punters would be familiar with similar-type products in pubs and clubs, but those they see at the moment are operated by Tabcorp and deliver no return to local racing.  It is believed Tatts Group still has not met anyone from the new government.  Tatts has kept at arm’s length of the industry overhaul enacted last month and so far has been silent on every issue.


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THE restructure and “Jack the Slasher” motto at Racing Queensland continues with the new-look hierarchy set for a showdown over jockeys’ WorkCover and a potential restructure of the education and training unit.  The latter has been flagged to come under the umbrella of Racing Operations, or the general manager, Operations and Animal Welfare.  Changes to the training unit made in April last year were seen as vital to the education and safety of young apprentice riders.

One of the new powerbrokers at RQ sought advice from a former high-ranking RQ official through the week.  The now-ousted official no doubt was surprised at the gesture given he had not heard from the official since he left the building, and has so far not returned the call.
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« 2015-Jul-05, 09:03 PM Reply #40 »
So why wasn't the issue with Virtual racing resolved with the previous Governance?

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« 2015-Jul-06, 09:10 AM Reply #41 »
The golf club has the Keno version ...trots....horses...maybe dogs ....they seem to run alternatively...all betting options are available with a separate screen for Keno...I haven't bothered with it but if any of the old guys who used to frequent the far end of the grandstand at EF and who bet  in running would tear their hair out  with some unexpected results with leaders having a clear margin close to home getting swamped in the last few strides. I'll enquire what's in it for the club......probably not a lot. :shrug:

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2015-Jul-06, 10:11 AM Reply #42 »
So why wasn't the issue with Virtual racing resolved with the previous Governance?

I suspect it was with the tunnels file somewhere and got lost.   :whistle:  Those unexpected election results can be a real pain sometimes.

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« 2015-Jul-06, 01:34 PM Reply #43 »
The golf club has the Keno version ...trots....horses...maybe dogs ....they seem to run alternatively...all betting options are available with a separate screen for Keno...I haven't bothered with it but if any of the old guys who used to frequent the far end of the grandstand at EF and who bet  in running would tear their hair out  with some unexpected results with leaders having a clear margin close to home getting swamped in the last few strides. I'll enquire what's in it for the club......probably not a lot. :shrug:

Giddy Up :beer:

Arsie, the cartoon Racing product we see in Qld right now is a Keno Game. No more, no less.  It is called Keno Racing and is not even specified as a sub category of Keno in the license agreement with Qld Govt. 

The Tatts intention is / was to add a dissimilar product named Virtual Racing to it's TAB or UBet suite of products....dissimilar in so as not to be challenged over copywrite / ownership  by TABCORP.  Maybe the cartoons show camels ridden by monkeys and no running rail or grandstand backgrounds.  The same principle was used with the introduction of flexibetting in Qld where the flexbet is determined by a different algorithm. It is all about legal semantics.  So as long as the product is not identical, with the stroke of a pen the Government can approve another bet type into the UBet catalogue, under its own license.  This is what the LNP intended to do, but held an election instead.  Clearly the new ALP Government had/ has no intention of accepting policy and unfulfilled strategies of its predecessor....a brand new start from a clean slate were the words of the Premier in Parliament.

The irony is that TABCORP  lawyers have got into the Attorney's ear and claimed their copywrited Keno product known as Keno Racing has precedence over any newcomer.  And that is far from watertight.  UBet's Virtual Racing needs only to be legally different.  The flexibet example is proof.  The punter only sees the similarities, not the differences.  It is a pity the Attorney is similar in this case.

It seems that the Attorney has accepted the position of TABCORP without even assessing UBet's Virtual Racing product.  No one has seen it yet. 

The Racing Minister surely should not dismiss a legitimate revenue stream for both Government AND Industry so flippantly.......that would be madness.  One can only assume the Attorney has not discussed this with the Racing Minister and has chosen to pay out taxpayers money to default on the previous Government's agreement.  Pure madness and everyone loses.  :tears:

Now as for the public interest in the product, obviously Virtual Racing doesn't achieve the punting levels of a Cox Plate, but people will bet on anything from time to time.  Thing of Virtual Racing as the drip tray of gaming.  It ensure that every prospect of attracting revenue is covered.  You run a virtual race every two minutes, there are no costs (prizemoney, track maintenance, form guides etc) so every race returns a profit to the operator.  Think of it as minting 5 cent pieces slowly but continuously.....eventually it all adds up to significant revenue over time.

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« 2015-Jul-06, 02:22 PM Reply #44 »
It seems that the Attorney has accepted the position of TABCORP without even assessing UBet's Virtual Racing product.  No one has seen it yet. 

We can hardly lay the blame on the current decision makers and reading between the lines I don't think you are. Don't be so shy in noting the failings of the past three years.

The point being that the LNP were derelict in their duty to the racing Industry. You would have thought with the Treasurer sitting in the epicentre of racing in Queensland it might have achieved more in their three years spell. Coupled with an inadequate control body and we got what we deserved.


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« 2015-Jul-06, 03:14 PM Reply #45 »
We can hardly lay the blame on the current decision makers and reading between the lines I don't think you are. Don't be so shy in noting the failings of the past three years.

The point being that the LNP were derelict in their duty to the racing Industry. You would have thought with the Treasurer sitting in the epicentre of racing in Queensland it might have achieved more in their three years spell. Coupled with an inadequate control body and we got what we deserved.



I don't care who is to blame.  Here is a revenue stream racing would benefit from and no one has done OR is doing anything about it.  "We got what we deserved" concedes you are content to lose this revenue.  I find it ironic that people criticized Steve Dickson for wasting hot air with his boasting, but hot air comes cheap.  This Minister is actually costing the Industry cash with the indifference shown. 

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« 2015-Jul-06, 03:31 PM Reply #46 »
I'm beginning to form the view that the minister is not in charge.

The Premier is. And what she knows about the racing industry could be written on the edge of an aspirin.

We saw this early in the piece when the racing ship was rudderless for so long, and not a peep from the ostensible racing captain.

She's the one with the 'nads here. The rest of them seem to be pretty spooked and neutered!

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« 2015-Jul-06, 03:38 PM Reply #47 »
Ditto the tunnels funding.  Sure the LNP stuffed it, but the Minister has still sat on it for FIVE months.  Another impost on revenues with Eagle Farm closed and going nowhere.  My guestimate, purely out of my hat and it is probably more, is that every day Eagle Farm remains inoperative, the Industry is at least 1% down in revenue.  Forget who is to blame, someone in power should be doing something, yet it took Dave Whimpy at last resort to go do it himself and shirtfront the Minister.  I can imagine the conversation"

Minister:  Who are you?
Dave: I run Eagle Farm.
Minister:  Oh, nice niche farming.  We like entrepreneurs Dave. Nice to see you.  I am the Minister for Agriculture.  How many eagles do you farm at your place?
Dave: Er no Minister, it is a racetrack.
Minister:  Oh, one of those dog people are you?
Dave:  No Minister, its a racetrack for horses.
Minister:  Oh, do you race on Farms these days?  That might be an issue for the Tourism mob not me.  Have you tried meeting with them?
Dave: No Minister,  Eagle Farm is the showcase gallops racetrack in Qld.  The big one out near the airport.  They run the Stradbroke there.
Minister:  Are you sure.  Anna told me they run the Stradbroke at Doomben.  I have heard of Doomben.  And I even have a racecourse up in my Rocky electorate.  
Dave: (Sigh) Yes Minister.  You should know they usually run the Stradbroke at Eagle Farm but it is broken, and we need you to free up an agreement to fix it.  
Minister:  Oh.  That must be what that IOU for $12M was for.  Wendy, what did you do with those papers we were going to throw out.  The ones that were in Dicko's top drawer.  
Wendy:  Here they are Minister, I recycled them as serviettes in the tea room.  You can still read them through the coffee stains if you squint hard.  
Minister:  Best print up a new set Wendy.  See if Dicko kept the file.
Wendy:  YES MINISTER

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« 2015-Jul-06, 04:06 PM Reply #48 »
I don't care who is to blame.  Here is a revenue stream racing would benefit from and no one has done OR is doing anything about it.  "We got what we deserved" concedes you are content to lose this revenue.   I find it ironic that people criticized Steve Dickson for wasting hot air with his boasting, but hot air comes cheap.  This Minister is actually costing the Industry cash with the indifference shown. 

How can you possibly assume that? I am simply stating a fact that we blew it when it wasn't nailed down in the first instance. Why note it as a future source of income and not follow-up? The flexi dividend you correctly mentioned earlier is all about catching up.

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« 2015-Jul-06, 06:09 PM Reply #49 »
How can you possibly assume that? I am simply stating a fact that we blew it when it wasn't nailed down in the first instance. Why note it as a future source of income and not follow-up? The flexi dividend you correctly mentioned earlier is all about catching up.

Your statement is noted.  Everyone knows now that Seagull and the LNP were not the most efficient implementers of strategy.   Big boo to them.  The business literature is full of examples of project and strategy failure.  The successful business excels at not only strategy, but implementation. 

But the LNP left town in January.  The Seagull left in June but, by his own admission, was not granted audience with the Minister since February, and was effectively a shadow regime thereafter.  All the while this project (and Eagle Farm tunnel funding) languished.  And now the Industry bleeds $1M + pa whilst a caretaker CEO and Chair runs the show.  The rule is that whoever wears the crown owns the problem.  And the new mob's honeymoon is over.  Time to deliver boys and girls.   

My point is that people are entitled to question the competence of the current owners of Racing in Qld.


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