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Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-May-15, 12:27 AM Reply #1825 »

My eyes re open and I see nothing,

That is not unusual with punters -- we get mesmerized with cant-lose favourites and do not smell the smoke.

I am not alone.

Tipsters appearing to have, on Sunday, exceptional skill  are more likely the beneficiary of a insider letting something slip.

The great need is for analysts like 'wily' and 'fours' to be recruited to a media tipping panel.

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« 2019-May-15, 09:03 AM Reply #1826 »
    Moved to applicable thread.
« Last Edit: 2019-May-16, 03:40 AM by pegasyber »

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« 2019-May-15, 05:39 PM Reply #1827 »
State Parliament is sitting at present for three days from 14th May there's a question on notice from John -Paul Langbroek to the Hon Hinchy under standing orders the minister has until 13th June to respond by email to the Table Office @ is the question:-

With reference to the 15 recommendations made in the final report of the Queensland Greyhound Racing Industry Commission of Inquiry aimed at improving integrity and animal welfare in the racing industry and the Queensland Government’s official response to initiate 75 activities to address these recommendations—
Will the Minister advise (a) the recommendations that are yet to be completed and (b) the government initiated activities yet to be completed?

From what I've seen so far up to lunch today it has been a pretty tame session .....not so tame back in 1985 when The Hon. Hinze was Racing minister introducing The Racing and Betting Act amendment bill ...lots of fire and robust debate from both sides of the House.....I'll post some highlights when I get a chance.

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« 2019-May-15, 11:31 PM Reply #1828 »

Put up or shut up

............pega ...there is no point posting 'insights' on Sunday ............... tell us on Friday!

Well Peter The Computer certainly knew, and knew that there was more than just one:

The computer is only human, after all, but it did take just 1.3 seconds to work the above out!

In any event pega you pale into irrelevance against analysts like 'wily' and 'fours' who can tell us (on Sunday) that they backed the long priced winners without any help from you (or anyone else).

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« 2019-May-16, 12:31 AM Reply #1829 »
Peter Mair,

Stop being a falsehood idiot!

Wily and I gave before the race tips.

I gave a whole thread of them.


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« 2019-May-16, 10:05 AM Reply #1830 »
Parliament's Notice paper todaty reveals that Mr Langbroek has asked  another question on notice to The Hon Hinchy ....who has until 14th June to reply.

Will the Minister advise for 2017-18 to 2018-19 to date (reported separately by financial year) the
number of (a) animal samples tested for prohibited substances and (b) animal samples that reported
positive for prohibited substances?

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« 2019-May-16, 04:42 PM Reply #1831 »
At last Racing Queensland have some sort of a win v Currie in the courts

Racing Queensland notes that the Supreme Court of Queensland today dismissed an application by Mr Ben Currie in which he sought to restrain future rejections of nominations by Racing Queensland.

The Court ordered Mr Currie to pay Racing Queensland’s costs of the application.

Racing Queensland will not be commenting further on this matter.

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« 2019-May-16, 08:00 PM Reply #1832 »
Thursday 16 May, 2019   
Mark Oberhardt

The Queensland Supreme Court has ruled RQ can refuse trainer Ben Currie's nominations.

Toowoomba trainer Ben Currie has failed in an application to the Supreme Court for a temporary order preventing Racing Queensland from refusing his nominations.

RQ invoked a recently revamped Australian Racing rule AR55 which it says allows it to refuse Currie's nominations.

It meant a large number of horses have been transferred from Currie's stables to other trainers so they can continue racing.

Currie sought an interlocutory injunction which would have prevented RQ implementing the rule until a full hearing and determination of the use of the rule.

After hearing several hours of legal argument, Supreme Court Justice Jean Dalton refused the application on Thursday.

Currie is listed to appear in the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal on Friday seeking a stay of a four-year disqualification.

Stewards imposed the disqualification after finding Currie guilty on two charges involving text messages which allegedly involved use of jiggers.

Currie's solicitor Michael O'Connor said his client was now considering his position in regards both applications.

The trainer still faces other charges yet to be heard by the Queensland Racing Integrity Commission arising from a raid on his stables in early April last year.

Obi has been busy reporting on the QCAT case involving Mark Currie as well as the above.

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« 2019-May-17, 01:33 PM Reply #1833 »
Way back in April 1985 the Racing Minister The Hon,.Hinze introduced The Racing and Betting Act Amendment Bill this was a time when the Fine Cotton ring in had been discovered ......the wide spread caffeine doping crisis due to contaminated testing sticks had not yet been resolved and the state opposition was calling for a Racing Commission to be established to replace the Principal Club the QTC to control the racing industry the time Harness Racing was administered by a board the QHRB which I think took over from the Trotting Control League....the governments reaction to doping  was to provide that registered vets should only administer treatments...a fine of $20K was proposed for anyone caught ....5 police officers were to be appointed under the racing portfolio after allegations criminals had infiltrated the racing industry and it was claimed by one honourable member that some bookies and jockeys had departed Brisbane for other more secure lodgings.... there were serious allegations against the TAB chairman Sir Edward Lyons aka "Top Level Ted".....Russ Hinze hisself who owned a string of pacers was also caught in the net when one of his returned a positive to caffeine......the problem of all the positives to this substance was eventually discovered by Dr Ken Donald.......Tom Burns paid a tribute to the late Jack Greig QRHB chief steward who I knew personally  a throughly competent and very appraochable official who was responsible for solving the Glendale Rex ring in at Rocklea some years before...Jack had a prodigious memory and it's a sad loss to harness racing that he didn't produce a memoire on his retirement.

Here are some extracts from Hansard on the debate on the Bill:-

RACING AND BETTING ACT AMENDMENT BILL (No. 2) Second Reading—Resumption of Debate Debate resumed from 2 April (see p. 4810) on Mr Hinze's motion— "That the Bill be now read a second time."
Mr SHAW (Wynnum) (3.27 p.m.): : What else could go wrong with racing in Queensland? It has been the subject of very serious charges and has been linked with organised crime. Such suggestions were made in "The Age" tapes. Allegations have been made of jockeys rigging races and of threats being made to jockeys who would not take part. It was suggested that racing has been used for the purpose of laundering money from dmg activities or major crimes. Following the Fine Cotton ring-in, a great upsurge has occurred in the preference that Queensland horses have developed for coffee. I refer to the caffeine problem.

On an examination of the racing industry in Queensland, all of the facts lead to the conclusion that the industry is in a very unfortunate position. I think the Minister would have difficulty in denying that the racing industry has been beset of a great many, wide-ranging problems, and that indicates that a very serious inquiry should be made into changing the methods of administration in Queensland.

The Minister has an undisputed knowledge of the industry, and it must therefore be a fair question to ask him why he has not moved towards establishing a racing commission. Is it the fact that the Minister has been nobbled by the back-room boys of the National Party, or does the Minister have a legitimate reason for not supporting the establishment of a racing commission?

Mr Hinze: The principal racing clubs argued very strongly against it, as the honourable member would know. Mr SHAW: That may very well be so, and officials of racing clubs may have a great deal of expertise. I am not arguing against that. However, the fact remains that events over the last 12 months strongly indicate that a change is necessary, and the suggestion that a racing commission be established has been very widely supported.
I welcome the Minister's announcement that five full-time police will be attached to his department. That is something that the Opposition has publicly supported in the past. A great deal of good could come from that. I hope that the police will be able to build up contracts. Mr Hinze interjected. Mr SHAW: I am pleased to hear the Minister say that. That is the sort of thing that the Opposition has been seeking. That could be one of the major ways in which to attack the problems that are presently being created by criminal activities throughout the racing industry. The police would need to gain the confidence of certain people. Whether honourable members like it or not, that is the way in which investigations have always been carried out with the greatest effectiveness. People should be able to go to the police and tell them things in confidence. That is the way in which many of the problems in the racing industry could be overcome. The Opposition welcomes that move.

Mr PRICE: Yes. They are trying to get Daybreak Lover back into Queensland racing. He is still having a trot down south. Even before the Fine Cotton episode, some of the bookies in Brisbane were frightened even to field.
The Holloways, the Ogilvies and the Christensons flew off to Sydney to back their set-ups here in Brisbane. What has happened to the Fine Cotton episode? I have tried to follow that in the newspapers. It went a couple of mns in the court and all of a sudden it disappeared. It seems to me that the intent of the QTC is to avoid scmtiny at any cost.
What has happened to the top hoops? What about Cookie and Palmer and the others? What has happened to them? At the moment, apprentices are doing aU the mnning in Brisbane. Where have the top jockeys disappeared to? They were all round when this was going on. Obviously the scare has been put into them and they have gone into limbo or gone to Hong Kong or other places overseas.
 Somebody has tried to get them out of the industry. Obviously the public are deserting racecourses in droves. They do not have any confidence in the industry. Very shortly, the country areas will not have a racing industry at all. I sympathise with the Minister, because he feels deeply about the industry, but he has no answer at all. I cannot lay the blame at his feet, because I do not think even Dr Ken Donald knows anything about it. I come now to the issue of dmgs in the racing industry.

Mr PRICE: I point also to his impeccable record. This is the first time he has ever had a positive swab. Would I be right in saying that?
Mr Hinze: I would be feeling uncomfortable if it hadn't happened. Everybody else has had one. I would have to go and ask for one.
Mr PRICE: It must be terribly lonely up there. I meant the Minister's horse, of course.

 It is my honest belief that the thmst of reform measures is aimed at the wrong end of the operation. The Government is taking action against the wrong people. Govemment action will mean that the costs involved in racing will rise and will adversely affect the small operator, who is the grassroots participant of the industry, the person who holds the industry together.
 Instead of aiming at such people, the Minister should aim at the Lyonses and the Gallaghers who have been enjoying the benefit of such practices for the last 30 years. I invite the Minister to disagree with me on that statement. I now tum to the power given to authorise officers to enter racing venues, etc. In my view, it promotes the image of their being bully-boys knocking on doors saying, "Let me in."

Racing and Betting Act Amendment Bill (No. 2) 9 April 1985 4955 I also refer to the appointment of five police officers who will be required to work in the racing industry to assist in investigations. That provision is particularly difficult for me to accept, especially when I am battling to have policemen appointed to the north-westem area of Queensland to service communities that presently are without police representation. In contrast to that, with a stroke of the pen, the Minister has been able to whip these officers out of a politicised arm of the Government and employ them at will.

Mr VEIVERS: I just mentioned that, Mr Speaker, because I believe it is very important from the Minister's point of view that he should clear the air. After all, one of his pacers has been caught in the caffeine problem. Those things are not good for the industry. Finally, is the Minister really in charge of racing in this State? He ought to be. His intentions are good, but he is not being given a fair go. I congratulate the Minister on the Bill, but I would like to hear him refute some of the allegations that have been circulated about him.
 The Minister should let people know who is the boss. The industry would then be well and tmly re-established and the return of the confidence of the public would be seen through the turnstiles and through the TAB

Hon. N. E. LEE (Yeronga) (4.57 p.m.): It gives me great pleasure to take part in this debate and congratulate the Minister for Local Govemment, Main Roads and Racing Mr Shaw: You don't have to do that. Mr LEE: I know that I do not have to do it, but it is a pleasure for me to do it.
1 believe, and I will say it again once more, that Mr Hinze is the best Minister for Racing Queensland has ever had. That includes Dr Edwards and even Sir Gordon Chalk, my former leader for whom I had a great deal of admiration. Therefore the Minister must be top class. He did not have to do much to do better than Dr Edwards; nevertheless, he has done a lot for the industry and I sincerely congratulate him. Racing and Betting Act Amendment Bill (No. 2) 9 April 1985 4963 The Minister has the positive support of the Queensland Racehorse Trainers Association. I have here a letter from the association that was delivered to the Minister and to other Cabinet Ministers only a few days ago. The association gives the Minister its total support.

 It has confidence in him. I will read part of the letter that sums it up— "We realise that Mr. Hinze may have some shortcomings in some areas—" that is fair enough; it is prepared to say that it will chastise him when it is necessary— "but his desire to bring Queensland Racing into the 20th Century and his own enthusiastic drive is nothing but spectacular and needs all government. Race Club and licencee support and gratitude." That puts it in a nutshell. The trainers' association supports the Minister, who is doing a very wise thing by bringing in this Bill, even though it has some shortcomings.

 Although some people say that the renewed success of the racing industry has a lot to do with the administration of the TAB by Sir Edward Lyons, most of the congratulations can be directed to the Minister. Sir Edward Lyons has had nothing to do with the administration of racing in Queensland.

 If the Minister had not taken money from the TAB and put it into the Racing Development Fund, racing in Queensland would have been a dead duck. He was game enough to take on Sir Edward Lyons. He took money from the TAB and stopped Sir Edward Lyons from investing it in Rothwells Ltd.

The Minister put the money into the racing industry to increase prize-money and to provide facilities for the public. As a result, more money has flowed 4964 9 April 1985 Racing and Betting Act Amendment Bill (No. 2) A Racing Codes Advisory Board is to be established. I suppose that that will be the start of a racing commission, although I hope that it is not. The board will comprise three members. To date, we do not know who those members will be, but we know that Dr Donald wUl be the chairman. It is important that the members who are appointed to the board should know something about racing. I appeal to the Minister not to appoint to the board anybody who may be a good friend of Sir Edward Lyons or somebody else. I doubt that he would do that.

 Nevertheless, I appeal to him not to appoint to the board somebody who may be a good friend but who may know nothing about racing. It is important that the three appointees understand and have a great knowledge of the racing industry.

 I am sure that, before the day is out, the Racing Minister will tell the House who those three members are, because it is very important. I am very pleased that he has just acknowledged that he will do so.

 Not only should the board advise the Minister, but it should also advise the Queensland Turf Club stewards of the findings, because it is important that they are made aware of them. If the board discovers that a new dmg is being administered, it is important that the Minister and the QTC stewards should know of that dmg, because the stewards will be responsible for much of the testing. Although many people bear a gmdge against the QTC, I feel that it has done a very good job. Only recently has the equipment been upgraded, and that may be one of the reasons why this dmg has been found, even though most of the positive swabs are returned in the country.
 The Bill provides that only a veterinary surgeon can treat a horse when it is in training. A horse or greyhound is deemed to be in training if, at the relevant time, it has been nominated for a particular race or races.

That provision is very unjust. If an owner or trainer wishes to nominate, for the Golden Slipper, the Oaks, the Derby or the Sires Produce a horse sired by, say. Copper Kingdom, which is the Minister's stallion, he may have to do so before the horse is broken in as a yearling. For the Golden Slipper, the horse must be nominated 12 months in advance. For many other races, including the Oaks and the Derby, the Prime Minister's Cup, the Elders, the Brisbane Cup and the Castlemaine Stakes—others are listed in this month's racing journal—horses must be nominated months before they are in training.

A horse could be in a paddock when it is nominated for a race. If an accident occurs to the horse, even if it is not in training, it cannot be treated. Many owners send their horses to good trainers because they use dmgs to cure illnesses, such as colic. I do not mean that caffeine or those sorts of dmgs are used. Trainers may apply poultices and administer dmgs, such as penicillin. Although those dmgs are not listed, it would still be very costly for the owners particularly and also trainers if only a vet can treat a horse after it has been nominated for a particular race.

 Until I spoke to the Minister, it had been my intention to move an amendment to this clause on behalf of the Liberal Party so that treatment could not be administered within seven days of a horse being nominated for a race. The clause at present is unjust, especially when a horse is nominated for the Golden Slipper. That must be done 12 months in advance, which could be the maximum period. As Opposition members have said, the imposition of a fine of $20,000 or imprisonment for two years or both is pretty steep. The amount is not chickenfeed. I would like to know if a dmg is administered to a horse within the seven days, who in fact is fined— the owner, the strapper or the trainer? Is it the person who is found administering the dmg, or is it the responsibility of the trainer, who in turn passes it back to the owner? If it is the responsibility of the trainer only, there will not be many trainers left in Queensland.

 I cannot be convinced that the Minister's trainer would administer a dmg. I assure the House that my trainer, Jimmy Atkins, and others such as Roy Dawson, Tommy Dawson and Eric Kirwan are not stupid enough to administer dmgs, even before the introduction of this penalty. People such as that have a great pride in what they have done for racing. I am sure they are not the types of men to lower their standards and Racing and Betting Act Amendment Bill (No. 2) 9 April 1985 4965 principles and administer dmgs just for the lousy few bob that they might get from a bet on the side or from additional prize-money.

Mr Innes: Is it tme that you gave up punting when the bookies refused to accept the Ic coin? Mr DAVIS: That is very good. I will just pause and wait for the laughter. The honourable member for Yeronga stated also—and I must agree—that the computerisation of the TAB has made a difference to betting. The telephone accounts and agency betting now close two minutes prior to starting-time. 1 recall that, in the early days of the TAB, one of the great claims by the anti-gambling Government was that Queensland would not have TAB agencies anywhere near hotels.
 I notice now that even down at the Hacienda in the Valley

 Mr Hinze: You don't go to the Hacienda, do you? Mr DAVIS: I go past the Hacienda. It happens to adjoin my electorate. I notice that a TAB agency has been established there. Mr Burns: What about the pub down at Oxenford? Mr DAVIS: I am told that the same thing applies. The ALP supported the policy of locating TAB agencies away from hotels. However, this pro-gambling Government, as it now is, has changed its tune and put agencies in hotel bars.

 Mr Hinze: What do you prefer? Mr DAVIS: I prefer to have agencies in close proximity to the patrons. If my memory serves me correctly, the $20,000 penalties highlighted in the Bill have been available under the Act. If that is so, why have they not been acted upon? 4968 9 April 1985 Racing and Betting Act Amendment Bill (No. 2) Last Saturday, I attended the races in my old home town of Toowoomba. I congratulate the Toowopmba Turf Club on its amenities, which have improved considerably over the last 18 months. They are first-class amenities. The computer tote operates up to one minute before the start of Brisbane and interstate races. That is a marvellous facility for the people of Toowoomba. It is amazing that similar facilities are not made available locally.

I refer to the Rocklea trots. The former member for Archerfield, Kev Hooper, repeatedly sought support from various Racing Ministers for such a facility. I cannot remember which Liberal Minister stopped betting at Rocklea on Brisbane races. If it was not the member for Nundah (Sir William Knox) who bowed to pressure from the QTC it would have been Sir Llewellyn Edwards. What a trifling, piffling attitude on the part of the QTC, which did not receive one jot of additional support as a result! I was at Rocklea on the day that the late Ted Walsh, as Treasurer, opened the facility that permitted betting on Brisbane and interstate races.
The reason was to reduce the amount of SP betting on the south side of Brisbane. The QTC, which thought it may benefit from additional patrons, exerted pressure on the Government to stop betting at Rocklea on local races. On the last occasion that I mentioned this, the Minister said that a TAB agency would be set up. How can that be compared with the facUities at Toowoomba, Callaghan Park and Townsville? There is no comparison. The name of the game is to encourage people to race-tracks. I am sure that the Minister would agree. Poor attendances are of concern to the industry. Members on both sides of the House have said that the doping scandal and the Fine Cotton affair have damaged the racing industry.
 On each occasion that t
Members on both sides of the House have said that the doping scandal and the Fine Cotton affair have damaged the racing industry. On each occasion that the Racing and Betting Act has been debated, I have said that the handling of the Fine Cotton incident by the QTC stewards was pathetic. There is absolutely no comparison between their action and the inquiry conducted in Sydney. That illustrated the difference between the two administrations.
Mr R. J. Gibbs: It is an absolute indictment on Queensland's administrators. Mr DAVIS: That is so.
The Minister has not answered questions asked by our spokesman (Mr Shaw), by the member for Port Curtis (Mr Prest) and by me. When did the stewards know about the ring-in of that horse? They must have known about a minute after the race. Mr Shaw: Someone told me that they found out when a fellow in the crowd yelled it out.

Mr DAVIS: They probably did. The Minister would know that time and time again a minute after a race, the stewards have conducted strip searches of jockeys in case a jigger has been used. Time and time again, the stewards have prevented horses from starting in a race, yet a mmour was rife that there was a ring-in on that day and the stewards allowed the horse to start. By doing so, they provided a bonanza for practically every book-maker in Queensland and Australia.
The Sydney stewards did not muck about. They did not conduct a prolonged inquiry, as occurred in Queensland. The Sydney stewards conducted an investigation into the Fine Cotton ring-in and, in a short time, they ascertained who the culprits were. The offenders are no longer enjoying the sport of racing as they have been warned off courses in Australia.
The Minister has asked for a royal commission, and the Opposition spokesman supported the holding of such an inquiry. I believe that holding a royal commission is the only way in which to clean up the racing industry—not merely the Fine Cotton scandal but also the incidence of doping. As I previously mentioned, the legislation already provides for a penalty of $20,000, and that penalty has not yet been acted upon. 1 ask the Minister why the same monetary penalty and the same period of imprisonment would now constitute a deterrent?
Racing and Betting Act Amendment Bill (No. 2) 9 April 1985 4969 Mr Eaton: The Govemment is waiting for a couple more ring-in scandals. Mr DAVIS: That could be the case. However, the question that must be asked is why these illegal practices do not occur in New South Wales, Victoria and South Australia—the three other main States involved in racing?
Mr Hinze: You tell us. Mr DAVIS: I am asking the Minister why. It is certain that the Minister is on the right track, and I cannot understand why he did not go ahead and hold a royal commission. The problems that I have mentioned affect not only the gallops but also trotting.
The problems have spread throughout the industry, and the Minister has been involved. I would have thought that the best course to follow would be for the Minister to conduct a royal commission if he is fair dinkum. I am certain that the Minister's statements in relation to the original instance were tme and correct, and the Opposition supported the Minister's suggestion of a royal commission.
 A royal commission is the appropriate way to deal with these problems because, if the problems are allowed to continue—and the honourable member for Port Curtis has already referred to the Picnic in the Park incident, and anybody who is associated with racing would know that a horse that is 20/1 on to 40/1 on and is given a hit benefits no-one—it will obviously be a serious and sinister situation. I make those points whilst, at the same time, acknowledging that the Minister is doing an extremely good job with the racing industry. However, the cold facts of life are that, until proper answers are given in Parliament about the Fine Cotton scandal, the Opposition will regard the performance of the Minister as less than that of a top administrator.

Mr BURNS (Lytton) (5.33 p.m.): Following the remarks made by the honourable member for Brisbane Central, I must say that I, too, was surprised at the lack of action on the part of racing stewards in the Fine Cotton affair.
 I was surprised because, over a period, I have spent some time with Mr Jack Greig, Mr Arty Belford and Mr Jack Haggarty and other people associated with trotting. I have been pleasantly surprised, not only at their expertise which was known to me, but also by the fair and impartial way that they administered trotting. The system of identification used in trotting, which is first class, is a system of handing out papers on which the horse is clearly identified by any mark that it may have had not only at birth but also gained over a lifetime of racing.
 Of course, many horses do develop saddle-sores and other marks, and they are recorded on the card, but freeze-branding is a clear and easy method of identification of a horse. Mr Lee: Where did you leam about that? I have accused you wrongly. Mr BURNS: I know that the honourable member for Yeronga accused me wrongly but for some time at Royal National Association shows I have had an opportunity of working with Mr Jack Greig, who would be one of the best stewards ever produced in Australia.
 Many of the top stewards who presently work in Hong Kong, Western Australia and the south were trained by him. He was the first person involved when trotting was established in Queensland. Mr Greig was the only fellow who, at that stage, could have been selected as a trotting steward. He taught himself to be a steward and taught his helpers to be stewards along with him. It was an education to work with some of those fellows and watch them work. For the benefit of the honourable member, I will tell him a story about Jack Greig.

 One night at the Exhibition we were listening to the caU of a race at the trots and he said to me, "The third horse is dead." Late that night there was an announcement of a steward's inquiry, and the driver concemed got himself into a little bit of trouble over 4970 9 April 1985 Racing and Betting Act Amendment Bill (No. 2) his handling of that horse. Jack Greig was so smart that he was able to listen to the call of a race and say, "That horse is not getting a fair go." Back in the days when they were both involved in racing. Jack Greig and Arty Belford were involved in one of the most successful prosecutions of a ring-in case ever. Arty Belford was very much responsible for the success of the Metropolitan Trotting Club at Rocklea.

 The Minister now intends to set up a Racing Codes Advisory Board. It seems to me that the Minister is building another little empire. Queensland has a Commissioner of Main Roads (Eric Finger) and a Director of Local Govemment (Harold Jacobs), and I would not be surprised if, before very much longer, it has a full-scale department of racing no longer an appendage of the Department of Local Government. The racing industry is a massive State-wide operation. Perhaps the Minister is building a place for himself in the future. Mr Lee: Do you believe the Minister would make a good commissioner for racing? Mr BURNS: I would not mind seeing him in that position; it would get him out of our hair in this place.
 Mr Hinze: Why don't you recommend it? Mr BURNS: I will, but, quite tmthfuUy, I do not think that Ted Lyons would accept the Minister. Ted Lyons has the ear of the Premier, and the Minister mns second on that score. So whatever recommendation I make will have to be approved by Ted Lyons before the vacancy is filled. The Bill provides that the Racing Codes Advisory Board may initiate consideration of and inform the Minister on matters touching the administration of racing and betting in this State.

I want to raise a matter conceming the TAB, which is very much under the Minister's control and something which he should investigate. Is the Minister aware of the concern in racing circles that $6,000 and then $10,000 has been taken from the TAB—I think it was punting money—and used contrary to the express policies of the board?
I am asking the Minister these questions now because his advisers are here. Is it tme that the TAB carries a substantial sum of cash so that, on request, it can provide holders of telephone betting accounts with money credited to their accounts? In other words, if I have two or tbf ee grand in my telephone betting account and I go along and ask the TAB to give me $1,500 or $2,000, my telephone betting account is checked and if I have sufficient in credit I am entitled to get the money by cash or cheque.
 I want to know whether on a number of occasions a senior board member directed the manager to order those who operate the telephone betting accounts system at TAB headquarters to pay out sums, the largest of which was $10,000, against the board member's telephone account?
 Is it tme that that action was taken after those who ran the telephone betting accounts system had said that the board member's account carried a virtual nil balance? Is an internal audit carried out each moming to ensure that all cash and other securities are credited to the TAB?
 I understand that each moming there is an internal audit and that the people who hold up to $40,000 in cash have to justify that amount and show that they have it on hand or have paid it out. Was it necessary on at least one occasion for the manager to send a driver to this senior board member seeking the return of money drawn in that fashion prior to the intemal audit?
 I understand that on that occasion—it was a Wednesday during the holding of the national TAB conference in Brisbane—the board member took ten grand of the TAB's money to the races. However, the money did not front up before the internal audit was conducted the next moming. I understand that a driver had to go out and chase the money up, and the money was finally retumed.
 Who authorised the system that would allow that particular person to take money from the TAB, use it that day and overnight, and retum it the next moming? Racing and Betting Act Amendment Bill (No. 2) 9 April 1985 4971
If those allegations are denied, will the Minister ask the manager and the people who mn the TAB telephone betting section to table in this House affidavits setting out the facts? Will he at the same time check and table the computer print-outs of the TAB telephone betting accounts on the days that the board member directed that that cash be withdrawn for his personal use?
 It is important that the Minister get to the bottom of those allegations, because the TAB is the punter's area; it is where we put our money. As the Minister and most members know, I bet regularly. I like a punt. I like to punt with the bookies if I can. Most of us are not able to attend racecourses and we bet with the TAB. We argue that the percentages that the TAB takes from the pool are too high, and we like to think that the money that we invest with the TAB goes either into the racing industry or is honestly handled by the TAB management. It is important that the questions that I have asked are answered. Mr Shaw: If a bank teller did that, he would go to gaol.
Mr BURNS: It is suggested that those people are doing exactly what the little bank teller generally ends up in gaol for—taking a little money out of an account on Wednesday, going to the races and hoping that he can replace the money on Thursday morning and be able to keep a little for himself He can get away with it for a while, but anyone who has punted for any time knows that a person cannot continue to do that.
One of my friends told me to back one of his horses in the first race last Saturday. I must say that I am substantially poorer for the friendship. Mr Hinze: It was not Tristram's Edition? Mr BURNS: Yes, it was Tristram's Edition. Mr Hinze: Your friend is not sitting in the House now?

Mr BURNS: I will not go any further with that matter. That is a lesson for anyone who punts on the advice of owners. Every owner thinks that he owns a "Phar Lap" From listening to the advice of owners, I have left a lot of money in book-makers' bags.
 I agree with what the honourable member for Yeronga (Mr Lee) said about hobby trainers.
When things get big in this State we tend to push the little bloke out. Some of the most honest trainers that I have met in racing have been those who train one or two horses. They have been highly successful, particularly in country areas.
 I remember years ago attending a race-meeting in the bush. A horse was winning many six-furlong races round St George. One day the horse's trainer said to me, "Come home and have a beer with me." He lived in the poorest house in the town. While he was raising that horse, he worked in the meatworks and at all sorts of jobs round the town. It was a locally bred horse. He would not have made a fortune out of the horse. The Govemment is saying that every time a trainer such as the one to whom I have referred wants to give a horse a needle he will have to get a vet. I do not know the availability of vets in all country towns, and I do not know what they charge.

 Mr Lee: They are very expensive. Mr R. J. Gibbs: You should watch "A Country Practice" Mr BURNS: My friend the honourable member for Wolston says that I should watch "A Country Practice" I think that I would rather take the interjection from the honourable member for Yeronga, who assures me that vets are very expensive. That provision has been put in the Bill by a man who has a lot of money and who sees the answer to the problem in employing someone at a high price. Most farmers and people who own pony-club horses know that it costs a lot of money to bring in a vet. Many trainers would administer a needle and handle a horse as well as any vet. An Honourable Member: Or better. 4972 9 April 1985 Racing and Betting Act Amendment Bill (No. 2) Mr BURNS: Or better, as an honourable member interjects. I cannot see the reason for the inclusion of that provision in the Bill. I rose to ask particular questions about the TAB, and I would like some answers.

 Hon. R. J. HINZE (South Coast—Minister for Local Government, Main Roads and Racing) (5.44 p.m.), in reply: I thank those honourable members who have made a contribution to the debate. Perhaps I should try to answer the last speaker first. The honourable member for Lytton (Mr Bums) made a number of serious accusations. Obviously I am not in a position to answer them at this time. I do not know where the information came from.
They have to be regarded as serious accusations and obviously answers will have to be provided at an appropriate time. I have been Minister for Racing for four and a half years and I am sure that honourable members would agree that I have tried, through the Racing and Betting Act, to transform and upgrade the industry State-wide. Over the last few months, a sad series of events has occurred and, over the last eight or nine weeks, my many public comments show clearly that the problems are of great concem to me.
Today I have not heard any honourable member say that he knows the answer. Many proposals have been put forward and much time has gone into trying to resolve the problems. I join with all honourable members in giving Ken Donald the highest commendation that can be awarded to a public servant in the State at this time. I am sure that the root of the problem will eventuaUy be reached, but it has certainly not been reached yet.
It is tme to say that all honourable members who have contributed to the debate have been generally supportive of the measures contained in the Bill and I am grateful that they have acknowledged my interest in the industry. I thank the Opposition spokesman, the honourable member for Wynnum, for his comments. He cited as one example a vague reference to Hayden Haitana, who, according to media reports, told pohce that he would be looked after by me. Obviously, that allegation is too stupid to be answered. Along with three other people, Mr Haitana has been charged in the Queensland courts and, according to the State's laws, they have been remanded for a further month or so. That is not to say that they have been successful or that they have been let off in any way. It simply means that the law is taking its ordinary course.

 I want to see an end to the Fine Cotton affair as quickly as everybody else in Queensland. In a very vague and non-specific way, the honourable member for Wynnum raised suggestions that racing in Queensland is linked with organised crime and that evidence for that allegation was contained within "The Age" tapes.

 My simple comment to that is that I have never resisted in any way a full investigation by appropriate authorities into those allegations. I dispute very strongly the aUegation raised during the debate that the doping problem is exclusively a Queensland problem or that my counterparts in chaise of racing interstate have sought to dismiss the problem by saying that it is a Queensland problem only. As honourable members would be aware, I have written to all Ministers in charge of racing initially seeking their support in tracking down the sources of the doping of horses and generally urging their support for the adoption of a broad national strategy to address the problem. I have been most heartened by their response, and I pay a particular tribute to my Victorian colleague, the Honourable Neil "Nipper" Trezise, who sent the senior officer of the Victorian Police Racing Squad to Queensland to help in our inquiries.

Other Ministers interstate have expressed their concern to me and, in response to my letter, they have indicated their full co-operation. The honourable member for Wynnum raised two further matters, namely, the administering of dmgs within a specific period by veterinarians and the exclusion of the Racing and Betting Act Amendment Bill (No. 2) 9 April 1985 4973 public and media from inquiries. As I indicated during his speech, amendments will be introduced to address those problems.

 The honourable member for Mount Isa raised the question that the definition of "dmg" may not cover newly developed synthetic dmgs. I draw the attention of the honourable member to the Bill, which defines illegal dmgs and adds the important rider of including any further dmgs that can be added from time to time by regulation of the Govemor in Council.
 The honourable member for Mount Isa also asked why caffeine did not appear in the blood of horses. In fact, few blood samples are collected and the testing laboratory is still developing blood-sampling techniques. Urine is by far the best substance for analysis. Saliva swabs are of little value and will be abandoned entirely in the future. The honourable member also asked why no metabolites had been detected. I am advised that metabolites take between four and six hours on average to be formed in measureable quantities following the administration of caffeine.
That technical answer should answer his query. The honourable member suggested that split samples should be taken for the protection of trainers and that up to six samples could be used. I agree that split samples with Govemment seals are necessary, although two samples are a practical proposition, given the amount of urine available for any test.
 The honourable member for Mount Isa also asked what a dmg is compared with a treatment. I assure him that "dmg" will be defined by the Act and regulations. My advice is that quantitative caffeine levels are unscientific and that the law throughout the world in racing jurisdictions makes any level of dmg illegal. When the honourable member described fentanyl as a relaxant for horses, he seemed to be confused. In fact, along with other narcotics, it is a major stimulant for horses and its effect is increased fourfold by small doses of caffeine administered with it.

As a final remark on the contribution of the honourable member for Mount Isa— I took him to task on this—might I tell him and the House that, when the new Racing and Betting Act came into effect in July 1981, the tmstees of the Mount Isa racecourse reserve, which caters for horse-racing and greyhound-racing, were forgiven repayment of $254,563 and have subsequently received, on my approval, $148,492. Of that total grant, $30,240 was for repairs to track and fencing for horse-racing and the balance—by far the great majority—was for greyhound facilities. I hope that I have been able to clear up the matter of funding. That club has not been entirely without funds from the Racing Development Fund.

 The member for Port Curtis expressed concem that veterinarians would be required to administer all treatments as well as dmgs. I again assure the House and the honourable member that "dmgs" will be defined by the Act and regulations.

 The member for Ashgrove asked for advice about findings of my committee of inquiry into the doping scandal. When I nodded at the time, I was thinking that he wanted the names of the members of that committee. They are Dr Ken Donald, Mr Fred Manahan and Mr Mark Vilgan, who is a solicitor with Walsh, Fitzgerald and Halligan. Progress is being made by eliminating various possibilities, and some material gathered by the committee is already being considered by my colleague the Attomey- General and Minister for Justice.

 Perhaps I should also say that today it has been necessary for me to discuss a certain matter with the Attomey-General and Minister for Justice, and I believe that summonses will be issued on some people within the next day or two.
 As usual, the honourable member for Yeronga made an excellent contribution to the debate, as might be expected from someone whose interest in the industry is as intimate and, in terms of winners, possibly more distinguished than mine. The honourable member said that the House had the right to know the findings of my committee of 4974 9 April 1985 Racing and Betting Act Amendment Bill (No. 2) inquiry. I can only repeat what I said in reply to the honourable member for Ashgrove— that any detailed comment at this stage could prejudice those inquiries, which are both active and continuing. I assure the honourable member for Yeronga that I am giving very careful consideration to his comments, and I take on board the most important of them.

 The member for Brisbane Central (Mr Davis) is an old racing man. He referred to Rocklea, a place that some of us like to go to. Many people like to experience the atmosphere of the type of racing conducted there. I have had many an enjoyable day out there, the last one being only a few weeks ago. Mr Innes: Leave it at Rocklea. Don't take it away.
 Mr HINZE: I assure the honourable member for Sherwood that the facility will be left at Rocklea, but I will try to allocate some funds in an endeavour to tidy up the grounds. However, I do not believe that the show society should remain in control of that land; it should come under the control of the racing industry. Under those circumstances some funds could be allocated to Rocklea. Mr Innes: Not the DPI farm. Mr HINZE: No, the Racing Branch does not want to go over to the DPI land. The DPI has made a request for something like $lm for that land. The Racing Development Fund cannot stand that sort of expenditure for the purchase of land. Therefore, racing will remain at Rocklea, but I will try to have some developmental work done on the site as it exists.

 Mr Davis: Make sure they can bet on races in Brisbane. Mr HINZE: The honourable member for Brisbane Central suggested that the punters at Rocklea be allowed to bet on races in Brisbane.
He quite rightly said that the objection came from the principal club. The members of the principal club said, "You spent so much money on our track. Perhaps the people should come to Eagle Farm." I know that the honourable member will use the argument that they still will not go to Eagle Farm. He will say that the person who goes to Rocklea wants to go to Rocklea and nowhere else.
 It has solved the problem of SP betting in that area. I have already indicated to the House during this debate that I intend to move some minor amendments to the Bill, and I am sure that all honourable members will agree with the amendments when I introduce them shortly. I think that it will be possible to overcome some of the problem areas in the Bill that were referred to by honourable members. I thank all honourable members for their contribution to the debate.

 I make no apology for the fact that I will introduce a number of amendments to the Bill. I see nothing wrong with that. I accept the amendments, and I am prepared to include them. It is not tme that the Bill has been mshed through the House. It was introduced last week. Mr Lee: That makes you a good Minister; you accept an amendment. Mr HINZE: The honourable member is a good bloke, too. As the racing industry itself faces the demands and the challenges of the future, so must the Act reflect positive responses to those demands and challenges. While it is my privilege to be Minister in charge of racing, I will ensure that the Act reflects the best ways of ensuring the integrity—I emphasise the word "integrity"—of the racing industry. Motion (Mr Hinze) agreed to. Racing and Betting Act Amendment BUI (No. 2) 9 April 1985 4975 Sitting suspended from 5.57 to 7.15 p.m.

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The funniest line in all of this is how someone could possibly mention Russ Hinze and Integrity in the same sentence.