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Looked at Sporting bet and they had Fawkner at 34 and Foreteller at 101 for the cup with a top 4 place. Am I missing something or do they have some inside info as the rest of the agencies have the horses at half the odds or less.

arakaan · « 2013-Oct-26, 08:00 PM **Reply #109** »

Quote from: Jeunes on 2013-Oct-26, 07:55 PM

Looked at Sporting bet and they had Fawkner at 34 and Foreteller at 101 for the cup with a top 4 place. Am I missing something or do they have some inside info as the rest of the agencies have the horses at half the odds or less.

26 and 51 on my screen?

Jeunes · « 2013-Oct-26, 08:03 PM **Reply #110** »

Quote from: arakaan on 2013-Oct-26, 08:00 PM

26 and 51 on my screen?

sorry meant sportsbet.com.au. They all sound the same these days.

http://www.sportsbet.com.au/horse-racing/futures-aus-nz/melbourne-cup/melbourne-cup-win-or-each-way-all-in-4-places-906200.html?QuickLinks

monologue · « 2013-Oct-28, 10:00 AM **Reply #111** »

Melbourne Cup penalty – Precedence gets 1kg
Clinton Payne - 28/10/2013
Racing Victoria chief handicapper Greg Carpenter has announced a 1kg penalty for Precedence in the 2013 Melbourne Cup.

The Bart and James Cummings-trained galloper became eligible for the weight increase by winning last Saturday’s Group II Moonee Valley Cup (2500m).

The 1kg penalty takes Precedence’s Melbourne Cup weight to 53kg.

"The penalty takes Precedence back to the same weight that he carried when running ninth to Green Moon in last year’s Melbourne Cup,” Carpenter said.

"The penalty’s the same as given to Vatuvei for winning the 2012 Moonee Valley Cup.”

A total of 47 horses were among the second declarations for the 2013 Melbourne Cup on Monday when they closed at 10am.

Precedence’s penalty moves him to equal 29th in the order of entry. The latest order of entry will be released on Monday afternoon.

Precedence has been nominated for Saturday’s Group I Mackinnon Stakes (2000m) at Flemington.

Clinton Payne

Courtesy of racenet

MagiC~* · « 2013-Oct-28, 03:09 PM **Reply #112** »

Has anybody got a link to last years complete race results ?

Wanted to see how far Mount Athos and Red Cadeaux finished behind Green Moon

Also is there a more detailed list of current nominated runners ?

Authorized · « 2013-Oct-28, 03:16 PM **Reply #113** »

Race 7 - Emirates Melbourne Cup (3200 METRES)
Of $6,000,000.1st $3,600,000, 2nd $900,000, 3rd $450,000, 4th $250,000, 5th $175,000, 6th $125,000, 7th $125,000, 8th $125,000, 9th $125,000, 10th $125,000 GROUP 1 Handicap, Minimum Weight 49kg, Apprentices cannot claim. Field Limit: 24

	Horse	Trainer	Ballot	Weight	Penalty	Hcp Rating
1	DUNADEN (FR)	Mikel Delzangles	2	58.5kg	118
2	GREEN MOON (IRE)	Robert Hickmott	3	57.5kg	116
3	RED CADEAUX (GB)	Ed Dunlop	4	56.5kg	114
4	SEA MOON (GB)	Robert Hickmott	5	56.5kg	113
5	BROWN PANTHER (GB)	Tom Dascombe	11	55kg	110
6	FIORENTE (IRE)	Gai Waterhouse	8	55kg	112
7	FORETELLER (GB)	Chris Waller	12	55kg	112
8	DANDINO (GB)	Marco Botti	14	54.5kg	110
9	ETHIOPIA	Pat Carey	13	54.5kg	110
10	FAWKNER	Robert Hickmott	1	54.5kg	1.5kg	107
11	MOURAYAN (IRE)	Robert Hickmott	16	54.5kg	110
12	SEVILLE (GER)	Robert Hickmott	17	54.5kg	1.0kg	107
13	SUPER COOL	Mark Kavanagh	6	54.5kg	113
14	MASKED MARVEL (GB)	Robert Hickmott	22	54kg	108
15	MOUNT ATHOS (IRE)	Luca Cumani	20	54kg	109
16	ROYAL EMPIRE (IRE)	Saeed Bin Suroor	21	54kg	109
17	VOLEUSE DE COEURS (IRE)	Michael Moroney	7	54kg	110
18	HAWKSPUR	Chris Waller	9	53.5kg	110
19	MR MOET	Adam Durrant	24	53.5kg	108
20	SIMENON (IRE)	William Mullins	23	53.5kg	107
21	IBICENCO (GER)	Peter G Moody	26	53kg	1.0kg	103
22	JET AWAY (GB)	David Hayes	30	53kg	106
23	KELINNI (IRE)	Chris Waller	25	53kg	109
24	MORIARTY (IRE)	Chris Waller	28	53kg	110
25	MY QUEST FOR PEACE (IRE)	Peter G Moody	27	53kg	106
26	PRECEDENCE (NZ)	Bart & James Cummings	29	53kg	1.0kg	102
27	VEREMA (FR)	Alain de Royer Dupre	15	53kg	110
28	FORGOTTEN VOICE (IRE)	Nicky Henderson	32	52.5kg	105
29	MOUDRE	Ciaron Maher	33	52.5kg	103
30	MR O’CEIRIN (NZ)	Ciaron Maher	31	52.5kg	0.5kg	103
31	SILENT ACHIEVER (NZ)	Roger James	19	52.5kg	112
32	JULIENAS (IRE)	Gai Waterhouse	34	52kg	108
33	DEAR DEMI	Clarry Conners	18	51kg	104
34	TRES BLUE (IRE)	Gai Waterhouse	10	51kg	110
35	ARALDO (GB)	Michael Moroney	37	50.5kg	0.5kg	90
36	GRIS CARO (GB)	Jake Stephens	42	50.5kg	95
37	IRONSTEIN	Gerald Ryan	38	50.5kg	98
38	MOTIVADO (GB)	David Hayes	39	50.5kg	93
39	BASS STRAIT (NZ)	David Hayes	43=	50kg	89
40	CARAVAN ROLLS ON (GB)	Peter Chapple-Hyam	43=	50kg	9.5
41	GARUD (IRE)	Michael Moroney	43=	50kg	85
42	KINGDOMS (NZ)	John O'Shea	35	50kg	85
43	LET’S MAKE ADEAL	Nigel Blackiston	40	50kg	90
44	OPINION (IRE)	Chris Waller	43=	50kg	93
45	RUSCELLO (IRE)	Ed Walker	43=	50kg	78
46	SHOREHAM	Saab Hasan	36	50kg	98
47	VAQUERA (NZ)	Gai Waterhouse	41	50kg	9.5

MagiC~* · « 2013-Oct-28, 03:18 PM **Reply #114** »

Thanks Auth

Have added to the opening post

Authorized · « 2013-Oct-28, 03:19 PM **Reply #115** »

No	Horse	JRace 7 RESULTS 3:00 PM EST Emirates Melbourne Cup(GROUP 1) 3200m Prize Money $6,000,000 ockey	Trainer	Wg	Margin	Odds
1st	14	GREEN MOON(5)	Brett Prebble	Robert Hickmott	54.5	3-20.45	$18/$20
2nd	11	FIORENTE(2)	James McDonald	Gai Waterhouse	53.5	1.0L	$31/$31
3rd	3	JAKKALBERRY(19)	Colm O'Donoghue	Marco Botti	55.5	2.3L	$71/$81
4th	24	KELINNI(10)	Glen Boss	Chris Waller	51.0	3.0L	$18/$19
5th	8	MOUNT ATHOS(8)	Ryan Moore	Luca Cumani	54.0	3.2L	$7.50/$7.50
6th	13	GLENCADAM GOLD(7)	Tommy Berry	Gai Waterhouse	53.5	4.0L	$41/$41
7th	16	MOURAYAN(3)	Hugh Bowman	Robert Hickmott	53.5	4.7L	$26/$26
8th	4	RED CADEAUX(18)	Michael Rodd	Ed Dunlop	55.5	5.7L	$9.50/$9.50
9th	21	PRECEDENCE(20)	Blake Shinn	Bart Cummings	53.0	5.9L	$101/$101
10th	17	MY QUEST FOR PEACE(1)	Corey Brown	Luca Cumani	53.5	6.1L	$17/$18
11th	2	AMERICAIN(12)	Damien Oliver	Alain de Royer Dupre	58.0	6.5L	$8/$7.50
12th	7	CAVALRYMAN(6)	Frankie Dettori	Saeed Bin Suroor	54.0	7.5L	$26/$31
13th	6	VOILA ICI(13)	Vlad Duric	Peter G Moody	55.0	7.8L	$101/$101
14th	1	DUNADEN(16)	Craig Williams	Mikel Delzangles	59.0	9.8L	$7/$7F
15th	18	NIWOT(15)	Dwayne Dunn	Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes	53.5	9.9L	$61/$71
16th	20	LIGHTS OF HEAVEN(17)	Luke Nolen	Peter G Moody	53.0	10.7L	$17/$20
17th	5	WINCHESTER(22)	Jamie Mott	John Sadler	55.5	10.9L	$61/$61
18th	9	SANAGAS(4)	Nicholas Hall	Bart Cummings	54.0	11.3L	$41/$51
19th	15	MALUCKYDAY(9)	Jim Cassidy	Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes	53.5	11.7L	$15/$17
20th	12	GALILEO'S CHOICE(11)	Patrick Smullen	Dermot K Weld	53.5	11.8L	$15/$16
21st	22	UNUSUAL SUSPECT(23)	Glyn Schofield	Michael Kent	53.0	11.9L	$151/$151
22nd	23	ZABEELIONAIRE(24)	Craig Newitt	Leon Corstens	52.0	12.1L	$31/$51
23rd	19	TAC DE BOISTRON(21)	Olivier Doleuze	Michael Kent	53.5	13.3L	$71/$101
24th	10	ETHIOPIA(14)	Rhys McLeod	Pat Carey	53.5	63.3L	$21/$21

MagiC~* · « 2013-Oct-28, 03:27 PM **Reply #116** »

What are your thoughts on Varema Matty ?

Authorized · « 2013-Oct-28, 03:29 PM **Reply #117** »

Not fast enough.

wordedmeat · « 2013-Oct-28, 04:06 PM **Reply #118** »

matty what about royal empire??

bronx · « 2013-Oct-28, 04:08 PM **Reply #119** »

this might also help with some form......
http://www.racingvictoria.net.au/racing/race.aspx?meet_code=854409&race_code=5032580

TRES BLUE comes into this with a bit of form.
But like most O/S horses they fail to have a lead up run to show their wares to the public of their actual potential for the cup.

Maybe they all should be made to start in at least one lead up event prior to getting a start in the cup.

chalky · « 2013-Oct-28, 04:10 PM **Reply #120** »

How about Voleuse De Coeurs and Simenon?

Who is your early pick Autho of the raiders?

Authorized · « 2013-Oct-28, 04:36 PM **Reply #121** »

Quote from: wordedmeat on 2013-Oct-28, 04:06 PM

matty what about royal empire??

Certainly fast enough - Yes

MagiC~* · « 2013-Oct-28, 04:39 PM **Reply #122** »

For the moment, I am settling on Hawkspur down in the weights (hoping for a better ride, good alley and being able to be more forward than his last two) from Falkner and having a stab at Red Cadeaux, thought his run was ok considering the way it was run last year

Authorized · « 2013-Oct-28, 04:39 PM **Reply #123** »

Quote from: chalky on 2013-Oct-28, 04:10 PM

How about Voleuse De Coeurs and Simenon?

Who is your early pick Autho of the raiders?

Royal Empire and Mount Athos.

wily ole dog · « 2013-Oct-28, 04:41 PM **Reply #124** »

The field certainly has more depth this year. Last year I got it down to only 10 who were capable of filling a placing. It's looking likely that the whole field will have stong chances