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Race 7 - 3:00PM - Emirates Melbourne Cup - 3200 METRES

Of $6,000,000.1st $3,600,000, 2nd $900,000, 3rd $450,000, 4th $250,000, 5th $175,000, 6th $125,000, 7th $125,000, 8th $125,000, 9th $125,000, 10th $125,000 GROUP 1 Handicap, Minimum Weight 49kg, Apprentices cannot claim. Field Limit: 24

No Horse Jockey Trainer Wg Margin Odds
1st 6 FIORENTE(5) Damien Oliver Gai Waterhouse 55 3-20.30 $7.50/$7F
2nd 3 RED CADEAUX(23) Gerald Mosse Ed Dunlop 56.5 0.8L $61/$61
3rd 15 MOUNT ATHOS(22) Craig Williams Luca Cumani 54 2.3L $11/$13
4th 19 SIMENON(12) Richard Hughes William Mullins 53.5 2.5L $17/$20
5th 8 DANDINO(4) Ryan Moore Marco Botti 54.5 3.5L $11/$10
6th 10 FAWKNER(8) Nicholas Hall Robert Hickmott 54.5 6.0L $15/$16
7th 9 ETHIOPIA(14) Rhys McLeod Pat Carey 54.5 7.0L $81/$81
8th 5 BROWN PANTHER(6) Richard Kingscote Tom Dascombe 55 7.3L $19/$20
9th 13 SUPER COOL(13) Corey Brown Mark Kavanagh 54.5 7.7L $41/$41
10th 17 VOLEUSE DE COEURS(21) James McDonald Michael Moroney 54 8.0L $17/$18
11th 1 DUNADEN(1) Jamie Spencer Mikel Delzangles 58.5 8.7L $41/$61
12th 12 SEVILLE(9) Hugh Bowman Robert Hickmott 54.5 8.9L $17/$18
13th 4 SEA MOON(7) Steven Arnold Robert Hickmott 56.5 9.4L $12/$11
14th 16 ROYAL EMPIRE(11) Kerrin McEvoy Saeed Bin Suroor 54 10.4L $20/$21
15th 11 MOURAYAN(19) Brenton Avdulla Robert Hickmott 54.5 11.7L $151/$151
16th 20 IBICENCO(17) Luke Nolen Peter G Moody 53 12.1L $61/$71
17th 7 FORETELLER(15) Craig Newitt Chris Waller 55 12.8L $31/$31
18th 14 MASKED MARVEL(2) Michael Rodd Robert Hickmott 54.5 14.1L $31/$41
19th 22 DEAR DEMI(16) Chris Munce Clarry Conners 51 14.8L $21/$21
20th 18 HAWKSPUR(18) Jim Cassidy Chris Waller 53.5 19.1L $16/$16
21st 2 GREEN MOON(10) Brett Prebble Robert Hickmott 57.5 44.1L $41/$31
22nd 23 TRES BLUE(20) Tommy Berry Gai Waterhouse 51 54.1L $21/$26
23rd 24 RUSCELLO(24) Chad Schofield Ed Walker 50 56.3L $51/$51
FF 21 VEREMA(3) C-P Lemaire Alain de Royer Dupre 53
$16/$17
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2013-Aug-20, 08:00 AM

You have one strike FZ, keep this bullshit off the main Racing Boards.

Lets get this back on topic please guys  Thumb Up
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One of the best wraps I've read regarding PDL ... and there are some terrific videos as well as a bonus:

http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/08/19/puissance-de-lune-is-the-cup-in-the-bag-or-are-bookies-mad/

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Past winners top Cup weights

17 September 2013

The weights for Australia’s most famous horse race, the $6.2 million Emirates Melbourne Cup, have been released today by Racing Victoria (RV) Executive General Manager – Racing, Greg Carpenter, with two familiar names sitting atop of the 134 entries.

French star Dunaden is likely to carry the number one saddlecloth for the second year running after again being allotted topweight for ‘the race that stops a nation™’.

A winner of the 2011 Cup when carrying 54.5kg, the Mikel Delzangles-trained eight-year-old has been given 58.5kg for the coveted 3200-metre handicap at Flemington on 5 November.

Unplaced in last year’s Cup when carrying 0.5kg more, Dunaden will again need to end a streak stretching more than 60 years if he is to join Peter Pan (1932-34) as the only multiple winner of the Cup in non-consecutive years.

“Dunaden has been allotted the topweight for the second year running, however I have reduced his weight by 0.5kg to 58.5kg in recognition of the fact he was beaten almost 10 lengths by Green Moon in last year’s race when favourite,” Carpenter said.

“Whilst Dunaden enjoys a weight reduction, history still presents a significant challenge as no original topweight has won the Cup since Comic Court in 1950. In fact 20 of them have tried and not one of them has placed so he will rightly claim a place in history if triumphant.”

Second in the weights on 57.5kg is the Robert Hickmott-trained, Lloyd Williams-owned defending champion Green Moon, with his high profile imported stablemate Sea Moon and 2011 runner-up Red Cadeaux both allotted 56.5kg – 1kg more than he carried in 2012.

Last year’s runner-up Fiorente, a winner of the Group 2 Dato Tan Chin Nam Stakes (1600m) at Moonee Valley on Saturday, rises 1.5kg to 55kg, whilst the commanding TAB favourite Puissance de Lune has 54.5kg – the weight carried to victory in the last three Cups.

“Green Moon was allotted 53.5kg, but the record books will show that Brett Prebble rode 1kg overweight to win the 2012 Emirates Melbourne Cup with 54.5kg,” Carpenter explained.

“From a handicapping viewpoint he rises 4kg to 57.5kg which is 0.5kg less than Americain (2010) and Dunaden (2011) were asked to carry the year after winning their Cup.

“The Gai Waterhouse-trained Fiorente, who was most impressive winning the Dato Tan Chin Nam Stakes on Saturday, rises 1.5kg on his second placing 12 months ago, but does meet Green Moon 1.5kg better for that defeat.

“Fiorente is striving to become the fifth horse to win the Cup a year after running second, with grand mare Empire Rose the last to do it in 1988 when carrying 53.5kg to victory.”

Dunaden or Green Moon, if victorious, would become just the sixth multiple winner of the Cup joining Makybe Diva (2003, 04, 05), Think Big (1974-75), Rain Lover (1968-69), Peter Pan and inaugural winner Archer (1861, 62) in racing’s most distinguished group.

Michael Burn, Chairman of the Victoria Racing Club (VRC), said this year’s 153rd edition represents a significant milestone in the Cup’s evolution and that the release of weights sets the scene for another exciting chapter in its history.

“The release of the weights confirms the high quality of this year’s Emirates Melbourne Cup entries,” Burn said. “We are excited to see such a depth of talent amongst the entries, both Australian and international, as we mark 20 years since the first international winner of the Cup, Vintage Crop.”

Other notable entries and their weights are:

  • It’s A Dundeel (56kg) – NZ star who was a four-time Group 1 winner at three. He has the same weight as So You Think was allotted as a four-year-old in 2010.
  • Foreteller (55kg) – Chris Waller-trained import who meets Cup favourite Puissance de Lune 0.5kg worse for his triumph in the Group 1 Makybe Diva Stakes last start.
  • Dandino (54.5kg) – UK-trained, Australian-owned last start winner of the American St Leger. His stablemate Jakkalberry ran third in the 2012 Cup carrying 1kg more.
  • Ethiopia (54.5kg) – 2012 ATC Derby winner who has raced just once since finishing unplaced in last year’s Melbourne Cup. Rises 1kg from his 2012 Cup weight.
  • Super Cool (54.5kg) – One of only a trio of three-year-olds to have won the Australian Cup, the Mark Kavanagh-trained gelding is the second highest weighted four-year-old.
  • Mount Athos (54kg) – Luca Cumani-trained English stayer has been allotted the same weight he carried into a fast finishing fifth place in the 2012 Cup.
  • Hawkspur (53.5kg) – Queensland Derby winner who is now third favourite for the Cup with TAB ($12) after blitzing his rivals in the Chelmsford Stakes in Sydney last start.
  • Jet Away (53kg) – Highly rated import who is unbeaten in two Australian starts for master trainer David Hayes. He is yet to pass the first ballot clause for the Cup.
  • Verema (53kg) – Owned by the Aga Khan and trained by 2010 Cup winner Alain de Royer Dupre, the mare is charged with delivering a third French victory in four years.
  • Leading Light (52.5kg) – Aidan O’Brien-trained 2013 English St Leger winner who would become just the fourth Northern Hemisphere three-year-old to start in the Cup.
  • Tres Blue (51kg) – Another Northern Hemisphere three-year-old colt, the last start French Group 2 winner was a late entry for premier trainer Gai Waterhouse.

First acceptances for the Melbourne Cup will be taken at 12 noon on Tuesday 8 October.

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2013-Sep-18, 10:47 AM

Ahzeemah weight is a disappointment to me.
At this stage I liked him, Verema, and my lovely fella Ethiopia.
Royal Descent a smokey but think her day comes earlier.
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2013-Oct-01, 08:46 PM

Rumour floating there may be a surprise guest caller for this year's Cup.
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2013-Oct-01, 09:00 PM

Does anyone know if Leading Light is coming?

Think O'Brien placed with one who was placed in a Leger, so you would think a Leger winner has to be a huge hope.
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2013-Oct-01, 09:05 PM

Being aimed at the Arc.
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2013-Oct-01, 09:06 PM

Rumour floating there may be a surprise guest caller for this year's Cup.


Greg Miles is struggling for form.
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2013-Oct-01, 09:12 PM

Rumour floating there may be a surprise guest caller for this year's Cup.



I bet he will be over the moon with that news
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2013-Oct-01, 09:14 PM


I bet he will be over the moon with that news


lloyd williams  Shrug
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2013-Oct-03, 10:41 AM

http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=1102719&category=0
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2013-Oct-03, 12:48 PM

Would the headline be more factual if it said "Chinese & Kiwi's Swoop"
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2013-Oct-03, 12:49 PM

Would the headline be more factual if it said "Chinese & Kiwi's Swoop"


I don't know would it? Who are the new owners?
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2013-Oct-03, 05:54 PM

Not sure who mate but Moroney on the radio suggested they were Chinese with aussie involvement
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2013-Oct-05, 05:26 PM

As far as Australian trained horses are concerned Masked Marvel and Fiorente look a morale exacta this far out.
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2013-Oct-05, 05:49 PM

Reckon Hawkspur might have a say in that.
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2013-Oct-26, 07:55 PM

Looked at Sporting bet and they had Fawkner at 34 and Foreteller at 101 for the cup with a top 4 place. Am I missing something or do they have some inside info as the rest of the agencies have the horses at half the odds or less.
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2013-Oct-26, 08:00 PM

Looked at Sporting bet and they had Fawkner at 34 and Foreteller at 101 for the cup with a top 4 place. Am I missing something or do they have some inside info as the rest of the agencies have the horses at half the odds or less.


26 and 51 on my screen?
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2013-Oct-26, 08:03 PM

26 and 51 on my screen?


sorry meant sportsbet.com.au. They all sound the same these days. shy

http://www.sportsbet.com.au/horse-racing/futures-aus-nz/melbourne-cup/melbourne-cup-win-or-each-way-all-in-4-places-906200.html?QuickLinks

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2013-Oct-28, 10:00 AM

Melbourne Cup penalty – Precedence gets 1kg
Clinton Payne - 28/10/2013
Racing Victoria chief handicapper Greg Carpenter has announced a 1kg penalty for Precedence in the 2013 Melbourne Cup.

The Bart and James Cummings-trained galloper became eligible for the weight increase by winning last Saturday’s Group II Moonee Valley Cup (2500m).

The 1kg penalty takes Precedence’s Melbourne Cup weight to 53kg.

"The penalty takes Precedence back to the same weight that he carried when running ninth to Green Moon in last year’s Melbourne Cup,” Carpenter said.

"The penalty’s the same as given to Vatuvei for winning the 2012 Moonee Valley Cup.”

A total of 47 horses were among the second declarations for the 2013 Melbourne Cup on Monday when they closed at 10am.

Precedence’s penalty moves him to equal 29th in the order of entry. The latest order of entry will be released on Monday afternoon.

Precedence has been nominated for Saturday’s Group I Mackinnon Stakes (2000m) at Flemington.

Clinton Payne

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2013-Oct-28, 03:09 PM

Has anybody got a link to last years complete race results ?

Wanted to see how far Mount Athos and Red Cadeaux finished behind Green Moon

Also is there a more detailed list of current nominated runners ?
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2013-Oct-28, 03:16 PM

Race 7 - Emirates Melbourne Cup (3200 METRES)
Of $6,000,000.1st $3,600,000, 2nd $900,000, 3rd $450,000, 4th $250,000, 5th $175,000, 6th $125,000, 7th $125,000, 8th $125,000, 9th $125,000, 10th $125,000 GROUP 1
Handicap, Minimum Weight 49kg, Apprentices cannot claim.

Field Limit: 24
HorseTrainerBallotWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
1DUNADEN (FR)Mikel Delzangles258.5kg118
2GREEN MOON (IRE)Robert Hickmott357.5kg116
3RED CADEAUX (GB)Ed Dunlop456.5kg114
4SEA MOON (GB)Robert Hickmott556.5kg113
5BROWN PANTHER (GB)Tom Dascombe1155kg110
6FIORENTE (IRE)Gai Waterhouse855kg112
7FORETELLER (GB)Chris Waller1255kg112
8DANDINO (GB)Marco Botti1454.5kg110
9ETHIOPIAPat Carey1354.5kg110
10FAWKNERRobert Hickmott154.5kg1.5kg107
11MOURAYAN (IRE)Robert Hickmott1654.5kg110
12SEVILLE (GER)Robert Hickmott1754.5kg1.0kg107
13SUPER COOLMark Kavanagh654.5kg113
14MASKED MARVEL (GB)Robert Hickmott2254kg108
15MOUNT ATHOS (IRE)Luca Cumani2054kg109
16ROYAL EMPIRE (IRE)Saeed Bin Suroor2154kg109
17VOLEUSE DE COEURS (IRE)Michael Moroney754kg110
18HAWKSPURChris Waller953.5kg110
19MR MOETAdam Durrant2453.5kg108
20SIMENON (IRE)William Mullins2353.5kg107
21IBICENCO (GER)Peter G Moody2653kg1.0kg103
22JET AWAY (GB)David Hayes3053kg106
23KELINNI (IRE)Chris Waller2553kg109
24MORIARTY (IRE)Chris Waller2853kg110
25MY QUEST FOR PEACE (IRE)Peter G Moody2753kg106
26PRECEDENCE (NZ)Bart & James Cummings2953kg1.0kg102
27VEREMA (FR)Alain de Royer Dupre1553kg110
28FORGOTTEN VOICE (IRE)Nicky Henderson3252.5kg105
29MOUDRECiaron Maher3352.5kg103
30MR O’CEIRIN (NZ)Ciaron Maher3152.5kg0.5kg103
31SILENT ACHIEVER (NZ)Roger James1952.5kg112
32JULIENAS (IRE)Gai Waterhouse3452kg108
33DEAR DEMIClarry Conners1851kg104
34TRES BLUE (IRE)Gai Waterhouse1051kg110
35ARALDO (GB)Michael Moroney3750.5kg0.5kg90
36GRIS CARO (GB)Jake Stephens4250.5kg95
37IRONSTEINGerald Ryan3850.5kg98
38MOTIVADO (GB)David Hayes3950.5kg93
39BASS STRAIT (NZ)David Hayes43=50kg89
40CARAVAN ROLLS ON (GB)Peter Chapple-Hyam43=50kg9.5
41GARUD (IRE)Michael Moroney43=50kg85
42KINGDOMS (NZ)John O'Shea3550kg85
43LET’S MAKE ADEALNigel Blackiston4050kg90
44OPINION (IRE)Chris Waller43=50kg93
45RUSCELLO (IRE)Ed Walker43=50kg78
46SHOREHAMSaab Hasan3650kg98
47VAQUERA (NZ)Gai Waterhouse4150kg9.5

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Thanks Auth  Thumb Up

Have added to the opening post
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No
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JRace 7RESULTS 3:00 PM EST Emirates Melbourne Cup(GROUP 1) 3200m
Prize Money $6,000,000 ockey
Trainer
Wg
Margin
Odds
1st
14
54.5
3-20.45
$18/$20
2nd
11
53.5
1.0L
$31/$31
3rd
3
55.5
2.3L
$71/$81
4th
24
51.0
3.0L
$18/$19
5th
8
54.0
3.2L
$7.50/$7.50
6th
13
53.5
4.0L
$41/$41
7th
16
53.5
4.7L
$26/$26
8th
4
55.5
5.7L
$9.50/$9.50
9th
21
53.0
5.9L
$101/$101
10th
17
53.5
6.1L
$17/$18
11th
2
58.0
6.5L
$8/$7.50
12th
7
54.0
7.5L
$26/$31
13th
6
55.0
7.8L
$101/$101
14th
1
59.0
9.8L
$7/$7F
15th
18
53.5
9.9L
$61/$71
16th
20
53.0
10.7L
$17/$20
17th
5
55.5
10.9L
$61/$61
18th
9
54.0
11.3L
$41/$51
19th
15
53.5
11.7L
$15/$17
20th
12
53.5
11.8L
$15/$16
21st
22
53.0
11.9L
$151/$151
22nd
23
52.0
12.1L
$31/$51
23rd
19
53.5
13.3L
$71/$101
24th
10
53.5
63.3L
$21/$21
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2013-Oct-28, 03:27 PM

What are your thoughts on Varema Matty ?
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2013-Oct-28, 03:29 PM

Not fast enough.
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matty what about royal empire??
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2013-Oct-28, 04:08 PM

this might also help with some form......
http://www.racingvictoria.net.au/racing/race.aspx?meet_code=854409&race_code=5032580

TRES BLUE comes into this with a bit of form.
But like most O/S horses they fail to have a lead up run to show their wares to the public of their actual potential for the cup.

Maybe they all should be made to start in at least one lead up event prior to getting a start in the cup.
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