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O.P. « 2018-Oct-16, 08:58 PM »
Stella Artois Caulfield Cup (2400 METRES)

Of $5,000,000.1st $3,000,000, 2nd $700,000, 3rd $350,000, 4th $200,000, 5th $150,000, 6th $120,000, 7th $120,000, 8th $120,000, 9th $120,000, 10th $120,000

Prize money contribution totalling 2% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution GROUP 1
Handicap, Minimum Weight 50kg, Apprentices cannot claim.


No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight Penalty
1 1x3195x111 BEST SOLUTION (IRE) Saeed Bin Suroor Pat Cosgrave 17 57.5kg
2 8x512433x4 THE CLIFFSOFMOHER (IRE) Aidan O'Brien Hugh Bowman 3 56.5kg
3 15x211250x CHESTNUT COAT (JPN) Yoshito Yahagi Yuga Kawada 13 55.5kg
4 x68139x437 JON SNOW (NZ) Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman Damian Lane 15 55.5kg
5 2144x1132x SOUND CHECK (GER) Michael Moroney Jordan Childs 16 55.5kg
6 55462x0241 ACE HIGH David Payne Damien Oliver 8 55kg
7 5041x8x791 THE TAJ MAHAL (IRE) Liam Howley James McDonald 19 55kg
8 x3x15x5331 DURETTO (GB) Andrew Balding Dwayne Dunn 1 54.5kg
9 21x1422225 RED VERDON (USA) Ed Dunlop Zac Purton 9 54kg
10 121x05x405 VENGEUR MASQUE (IRE) Michael Moroney Patrick Moloney 7 54kg
11 437829x794 VENTURA STORM (IRE) David & B Hayes & T Dabernig Regan Bayliss 11 54kg
12 1x780x0069 MIGHTY BOSS Mick Price Tim Clark 14 53.5kg
13 153x16x217 HOMESMAN (USA) Liam Howley Ben Melham 4 53kg
14 11111x4323 KINGS WILL DREAM (IRE) Darren Weir Craig Williams 6 53kg
15 732x03705x SOLE IMPACT (JPN) Hirofumi Toda Ryusei Sakai(a) 20 53kg
16 431105x024 GALLIC CHIEFTAIN (FR) Darren Weir Dean Yendall 2 52.5kg
17 2141x21316 NIGHTíS WATCH (NZ) Darren Weir Ben Allen(a) 18 52kg 1.0kg
18 311113x632 YOUNGSTAR Chris Waller Kerrin McEvoy 10 51.5kg
19e 114656x641 PATRICK ERIN (NZ) Chris Waller Corey Brown 12 52kg 2.0kg
20e 33x1x61812 JAAMEH (IRE) David & B Hayes & T Dabernig Cory Parish 5 50kg
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« 2018-Oct-16, 09:01 PM Reply #1 »
Caulfield Cup: Yucatan ruled out with fluid in joints

As the clock ran down to final declarations closing this morning for the $5 million Caulfield Cup, there was upheaval in spring betting markets as race plans changed and injuries put the features out of reach for others.

In the past 24 hours:

ē Yucatan, $101 to $4.60 favourite after his win in the Herbert Power Stakes at Caulfield on Saturday, was ruled out of the Caulfield Cup on Monday night, with fluid in the joints ruling out a quick back-up. The announcement followed handicapper Greg Carpenter imposing a 2.5kg penalty for the Melbourne Cup;

ē Godolphinís Emotionless had his spring campaign terminated with a pelvic injury;

ē Another much-touted member of the Godolphin team, Cross Counter, has been sidelined briefly with box rest with a lacerated leg; and

ē This morning, the Chris Waller-trained visitor Count Octave was added to those missing the carnival due to heat in a foreleg.

In other carnival developments, new Caulfield Cup favourite Youngstar galloped with new stable recruit Finche at Caulfield, the import leading in the gallop but Youngstar finishing on terms at the end of the gallop on the course proper.


https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/turf-thoroughbreds/caulfield-cup-yucatan-ruled-out-with-fluid-in-joints/news-story/1587d614338bee9bc67e6ce2e2d63272

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« 2018-Oct-16, 11:21 PM Reply #2 »
Would be interested in what specialweek thinks about the Japanese horses. Reckon you put them in as chances by default.

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« 2018-Oct-17, 01:34 AM Reply #3 »
Ridden upside down by Childs in the Caulfield Stakes, I expect to see Homesman resume hostilities from his usual


postion with Melham back on board.  Should go very close.


Danger:  The Cliffsofmoher. 

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« 2018-Oct-17, 04:02 AM Reply #4 »
All,

Need to remember that the 2nd rater Japanese stayers quinelled the Cup with daylight 3rd when drugs were not involved.....

$$$$$$ spent on breeding ( Sunday Silence etc ) has given results.

Fours

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« 2018-Oct-17, 05:43 PM Reply #5 »
If these two Japanese run 1,2 it means an ordinary field.

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« 2018-Oct-18, 08:14 AM Reply #6 »
SounD check intrigues me.
 Took the $30

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« 2018-Oct-18, 08:24 AM Reply #7 »
Updated the OP with the barriers

No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight Penalty
1 1x3195x111 BEST SOLUTION (IRE) Saeed Bin Suroor Pat Cosgrave 17 57.5kg
2 8x512433x4 THE CLIFFSOFMOHER (IRE) Aidan O'Brien Hugh Bowman 3 56.5kg
3 15x211250x CHESTNUT COAT (JPN) Yoshito Yahagi Yuga Kawada 13 55.5kg
4 x68139x437 JON SNOW (NZ) Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman Damian Lane 15 55.5kg
5 2144x1132x SOUND CHECK (GER) Michael Moroney Jordan Childs 16 55.5kg
6 55462x0241 ACE HIGH David Payne Damien Oliver 8 55kg
7 5041x8x791 THE TAJ MAHAL (IRE) Liam Howley James McDonald 19 55kg
8 x3x15x5331 DURETTO (GB) Andrew Balding Dwayne Dunn 1 54.5kg
9 21x1422225 RED VERDON (USA) Ed Dunlop Zac Purton 9 54kg
10 121x05x405 VENGEUR MASQUE (IRE) Michael Moroney Patrick Moloney 7 54kg
11 437829x794 VENTURA STORM (IRE) David & B Hayes & T Dabernig Regan Bayliss 11 54kg
12 1x780x0069 MIGHTY BOSS Mick Price Tim Clark 14 53.5kg
13 153x16x217 HOMESMAN (USA) Liam Howley Ben Melham 4 53kg
14 11111x4323 KINGS WILL DREAM (IRE) Darren Weir Craig Williams 6 53kg
15 732x03705x SOLE IMPACT (JPN) Hirofumi Toda Ryusei Sakai(a) 20 53kg
16 431105x024 GALLIC CHIEFTAIN (FR) Darren Weir Dean Yendall 2 52.5kg
17 2141x21316 NIGHTíS WATCH (NZ) Darren Weir Ben Allen(a) 18 52kg 1.0kg
18 311113x632 YOUNGSTAR Chris Waller Kerrin McEvoy 10 51.5kg
19e 114656x641 PATRICK ERIN (NZ) Chris Waller Corey Brown 12 52kg 2.0kg
20e 33x1x61812 JAAMEH (IRE) David & B Hayes & T Dabernig Cory Parish 5 50kg

Those drawn out wide are going to have their work cut out.

Will never forget the ride by John Stocker on How Now in this race in 1976. She drew the extreme outside barrier and he had her one out one back as they left the straight the first time. Went on to win the race. One of the best Group 1 rides you will ever see.

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« 2018-Oct-18, 08:31 AM Reply #8 »
Caulfield Cup winners post war - my 10 best horses highlighted.

Very, very hard to go past Tulloch as the #1. Won by a space. Broke the track record. Controversy when the owner refused to let TJ start him in the Melbourne Cup. Given he was only unplaced once in his 50+ start career it is hard to imagine he wouldn't have won that as well.

Year Winner
2017 Boom Time (AUS) 2011
2016 Jameka (AUS) 2012
2015 Mongolian Khan (AUS) 2011
2014 Admire Rakti (JPN) 2008
2013 Fawkner (AUS) 2007
2012 Dunaden (FR) 2006
2011 Southern Speed (AUS) 2007
2010 Descarado (NZ) 2006
2009 Viewed (AUS) 2003
2008 All The Good (IRE) 2003
2007 Master O'Reilly (NZ) 2002
2006 Tawqeet (USA) 2002
2005 Railings (AUS) 2001
2004 Elvstroem (AUS) 2000
2003 Mummify (AUS) 1999
2002 Northerly (AUS) 1996
2001 Ethereal (NZ) 1997
2000 Diatribe (AUS) 1996
1999 Sky Heights (NZ) 1995
1998 Taufan's Melody (GB) 1991
1997 Might And Power (NZ) 1993
1996 Arctic Scent (AUS) 1992
1995 Doriemus (NZ) 1990
1994 Paris Lane (AUS) 1990
1993 Fraar (USA) 1988
1992 Mannerism (AUS) 1987
1991 Let's Elope (NZ) 1987
1990 Sydeston (AUS) 1985
1989 Cole Diesel (AUS) 1985
1988 Imposera (NZ) 1984
1987 Lord Reims (NZ) 1981
1986 Mr. Lomondy (NZ) 1980
1985 Tristarc (NZ) 1981
1984 Affinity (NZ) 1979
1983 Hayai (NZ) 1979
1982 Gurner's Lane (NZ) 1978
1981 Silver Bounty (NZ) 1977
1980 Ming Dynasty (AUS) 1973
1979 Mighty Kingdom (AUS) 1976
1978 Taksan (NZ) 1973
1977 Ming Dynasty (AUS) 1973
1976 How Now (NZ) 1972
1975 Analight (NZ) 1971
1974 Leilani (NZ) 1970
1973 Swell Time (NZ) 1969
1972 Sobar (NZ) 1969
1971 Gay Icarus (AUS) 1967
1970 Beer Street (AUS) 1966
1969 Big Philou (NZ) 1965
1968 Bunratty Castle (IRE) 1964
1967 Tobin Bronze (AUS) 1962
1966 Galilee (NZ) 1962
1965 Bore Head (AUS) 1959
1964 Yangtze (AUS) 1961
1963 Sometime (NZ) 1958
1962 Even Stevens (NZ) 1957
1961 Summer Fair (NZ) 1958
1960 Ilumquh (NZ) 1955
1959 Regal Wench (AUS) 1954
1958 Sir Blink (NZ) 1955
1957 Tulloch (NZ) 1954
1956 Redcraze (NZ) 1950
1955 Rising Fast (NZ) 1949
1954 Rising Fast (NZ) 1949
1953 My Hero (NZ) 1947
1952 Peshawar (AUS) 1948
1951 Basha Felika (AUS) 1947
1950 Grey Boots (NZ) 1945
1949 Lincoln (AUS) 1942
1948 Red Fury (AUS) 1943
1947 Columnist (AUS) 1942
1946 Royal Gem (AUS) 1942

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« 2018-Oct-18, 09:04 AM Reply #9 »
Each to their own but I dunno how you rated Gurner's so highly.

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« 2018-Oct-18, 11:28 AM Reply #10 »
Sobarís 1972 win was a superb one. He looked like the next superstar in the spring of 1972 but on his overall record not among the top 10 horses on that list

Youíll never get full agreement on a top 10 list PP! Iíd  have Letís Elope and probably Doriemus in front of Ming Dynasty and Gurnerís Lane (as good as they both were).. Gay Icarus is also a bit forgotten now.

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« 2018-Oct-18, 11:42 AM Reply #11 »
Diatribe was massive but donít mention the cups doubl  :shutup: :shutup: :shutup: :shutup: :shutup: :mad: :mad:  :sweat:

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« 2018-Oct-18, 12:10 PM Reply #12 »
Sobarís 1972 win was a superb one. He looked like the next superstar in the spring of 1972 but on his overall record not among the top 10 horses on that list

Youíll never get full agreement on a top 10 list PP! Iíd  have Letís Elope and probably Doriemus in front of Ming Dynasty and Gurnerís Lane (as good as they both were).. Gay Icarus is also a bit forgotten now.

I considered Let's Elope.

But her star shone brightly very briefly, and she did carry light weights.

Doriemus is a worthy contender for the top 10 given he won one and finished second to Might And Power.

Ming Dynasty beat Kingston Town and Hyperno in the 1980 Caulfield Cup. He won the 1977 Cup as well and had many other highlights including a stirring win over subsequent Melbourne Cup winner Arwon in the Metropolitan conceding him a  bit of weight.

Look at the horses Ming Dynasty beat in the 1977 Caulfield Cup

1 MING DYNASTY H. White 54
2 UNAWARE J. Stocker 56.5
3 SALAMANDER E. Didham 55.5
4 FAMILY OF MAN R. Higgins 55.5
5 GOLD AND BLACK J. Duggan 57
6 IMPELLER P. Trotter 48.5
7 HOW NOW R. Mallyon 56.5
8 BATTLE HEIGHTS R. Lang 57.5
9 SIR SERENE P. Cook 52
10 VAN DER HUM R. Skelton 57.5
11 VICE REGAL G. Willetts 56
12 SHAITAN R. Taylor 56
13 LADY BLINTZ A. Trevena 50
14 TULLA HONEY J. Letts 50.5
15 ROYAL CADENZA B. Thomson 56.5
16 VACUUM R. Dawkins 53.5
17 HYPERNO B. Andrews 52
18 DENISE'S JOY P. Hyland 54.5

and the 1980 Caulfield Cup

1 MING DYNASTY E. Didham (58)
2 HYPERNO H. White (59)
3 KINGSTON TOWN M. Johnston (60)
4 COSMIC PLANET W. Harris (46)
5 YASHMAK J. Miller (55)
6 STAR DYNASTY R. Quinton (50.5)
7 OUR EPILOGUE R. Skelton (53.5)
8 AMARLA M. Baker (51.5)
9 CUBACADE J. Walker (53)
10 MY BROWN JUG R. Higgins (56)
11 REGIMENTAL HONOUR G. Hall (54.5)
12 BRINDISI R. Selkrig (52.5)
13 BIT OF A SKITE G. A. Ryan (54.5)
14 BRAVA JEANNIE M. Goreham (52)
15 BIG PRINT P. Jarman (54.5)
16 LOWAN STAR W. Treloar (51.5)
17 BOLD DIPLOMAT G. Willetts (52.5)
18 MR INDEPENDENT P. Hyland (53)

Let's Elope carried only 48.5 kg and beat a far inferior field to either of Ming Dynasty's cups IMHO.

1 LET'S ELOPE Steven King (48.5)
2 IVORY WAY M. Clarke (50.5)
3 ROYAL CREATION L. Cassidy (53.5)
4 LORD REVENIR G. Cooksley (54)
5 CASTLETOWN N. Harris (56.5)
6 SHIVA'S REVENGE S. Marshall (53.5)
7 JUST A DANCER J. Cassidy (56.5)
8 PRINCE SALIERI D. Gauci (53.5)
9 BOLD RANCHER D. Beadman (53)
10 COOL CREDIT P. Den Hertog (51)
11 SYDESTON L. Dittman (58.5)
12 MANTLEPIECE H. White (53.5)
13 DR GRACE R. S. Dye (56.5)
14 WEEKEND DELIGHT G. Childs (50.5)
15 LEE'S BID C. Carmody (51)
16 LIVISTONA LANE B. Compton (52.5)
17 PRINCESS PUSHY P. Hutchinson (49.5)
18 MAGNOLIA HALL B. York (52)

Similarly, Doreimus had only 52 kg and once again I don't think the field that Doreimus beat was particularly strong.

1 DOREIMUS D. Oliver (52)
2 COUNT CHIVAS R. Giffiths (53)
3 BEAUX ART D. Taggart (51)
4 PROTARA'S BAY G. Boss (53.5)
5 FEW ARE CHOSEN L. Cassidy (51.5)
6 LOVE DANCE B. Prebble (49)
7 ELECTRONIC R. Dye (48)
8 YES INDEED R. Caddigan (52)
9 THE PHANTOM CHANCE G. Hall (57)
10 WAIKIKAMUKAI D. Gauci (50.5)
11 STARSTRUCK M. Miller (54)
12 IT'S ALL IN FUN S. Scriven (55.5)
13 PINDI A. Mathews (51.5)
14 ALL OUR MOB G. Cooksley (54)
15 DOUBLE TAKE J. Didham (52)
16 OPPRESSOR B. York (53)
17 UNSOLVED A. Findlay (51.5)
18 ALCOVE P. Payne (54)

So I cannot have either Let's Elope or Doreimus ahead of "The Ming".

Gurner's Lane would be more contentious I agree. He had some great 3YO battles with Veloso and Grosvenor - both in the race.

1 GURNER'S LANE B. Thomson (53.5)
2 GALA MASCOT K. Forrester (49)
3 VELOSO R. Quinton (48)
4 CARRINGBUSH R. Heffernan (54)
5 PORT CARLING M. Pay (51)
6 SILVER BOUNTY E. Didham (57.5)
7 GROSVENOR B. Clements (47)
8 COSSACK PRINCE M. Clarke (46)
9 PARAPARAP N. Barrett (50.5)
10 ASTROLIN P. Alderman (49.5)
11 QUEEN'S ROAD A. Cooper (52)
12 BIRCHWOOD H. White (53.5)
13 LANCELOTTO W. Harris (50)
14 JUST A DASH P. Cook (57.5)
15 WELLINGTON ROAD B. Andrews (48.5)
16 LADY ICE D. Brereton (47.5)
17 BREWERY BOY G. Willetts (55.5)
18 SHERACO J. Stocker (51.5)

From my time Ethereal would have to be a candidate but she only carried 50 kg and beat a moderate field - Sky Heights and Celestial Show filling the placings in the 2001 C. Cup.

And before that some of the "old timers" might give us an opinion on Even Stevens, Gay Icarus, Sobar and a few others.

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« 2018-Oct-18, 12:27 PM Reply #13 »
Gay Icarus in the 1971 Cup beat an outstanding field. Conceded weight to Gunsynd. That is impressive!!

1 GAY ICARUS R. Mallyon (9.2)
2 IGLOO R. Higgins (8.5)
3 BIG PHILOU N. Waymouth (8.13)
4 GUNSYND G. Moore (8.13)
5 ARCTIC SYMBOL P. Hyland (8.9)
6 TAILS G. Howard (9.5)
7 UPSTAIRS R. Setches (7.11)
8 BEAU SOVEREIGN S. Aitken (7.2)
9 GENTY'S PRIDE B. Gilders (7.8)
10 TAVEL G. Pretty (8.11)
11 AHJAY P. Haitana (8.13)
12 BAGHDAD NOTE E. J. Didham (9.4)
13 LINCOLN'S INN H. White (7.11)
14 SPECTRE B. Andrews (8.3)
15 BROOKBY HILL J. Stocker (7.13)
16 ONCIDON K. Langby (8.5)
17 JAN'S BEAU F. Reys (8.8)
18 LATIN KNIGHT W. Camer (7.7)

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« 2018-Oct-18, 12:31 PM Reply #14 »
The 1972 Cup had Gunsynd and Gay Icarus engaged. Harry White got Sobar home with the lightweight of 48 kg (geez you'd be struggling to get an A Grade jockey down to 48 kg these days).

Apart from them and Scotch And Dry and Lord Nelson a lot of the names are unfamiliar to me - just before my time.

1 SOBAR H. White (48)
2 STORMY SEAS L. Olsen (54.5)
3 GUNSYND R. Higgins (62)
4 GRAND SCALE R. Durey (46.5)
5 GAY ICARUS R. Mallyon (62)
6 HAARLE J. Duggan (48.5)
7 SHARIF B. Gilders (51.5)
8 GLEN LANG G. Lambie (48.5)
9 KAZANLIK J. Stocker (50.5)
10 HAMPTON'S PRIDE J. Miller (52)
11 LAELIA T. Finger (52.5)
12 POLE STAR G. Edge (53)
13 GOSSIPER L. Hill (52)
14 FAIR SHARE R. B. Martin (46.5)
15 LORD NELSON P. Cook (49.5)
16 SCOTCH AND DRY P. Hyland (53)
17 AHJAY S. Aitken (54)
18 LAUREL OAKS R. Taylor (52.5)


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« 2018-Oct-18, 12:32 PM Reply #15 »
Mmm  Iíd rate those fields quality slightly differently
1; 1977  Ming
2; letís Elope
3; 1980 Ming
4; Doriemus
5; Gurners

But really I think #4&5 were fairly average

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« 2018-Oct-18, 12:34 PM Reply #16 »
Now youíve spannered by adding more years  :lol:

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« 2018-Oct-18, 12:38 PM Reply #17 »
Upon reflection I would replace Gurner's Lane with Gay Icarus in my top 10 now I had a look at the field he beat and his record - he had a big year in 1971

Year Race Name Status Distance
1970 VATC Burwood Handicap Pr 8F
1971 AJC Australasian Champion Stakes Pr 2000m
1971 AJC Chipping Norton Stakes Pr 10.5F
1971 AJC Queen Elizabeth Stakes Pr 12F
1971 VATC Caulfield Cup Pr 12F
1971 VATC Caulfield Stakes Pr 10F
1971 VATC St George Stakes Pr 9F
1971 VATC Underwood Stakes Pr 10F
1971 VRC Australian Cup Pr 10F
1971 VRC Blamey Stakes Pr 10F
1973 VRC Craiglee Stakes Pr 1600m

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« 2018-Oct-18, 12:48 PM Reply #18 »
Upon reflection I would replace Gurner's Lane with Gay Icarus in my top 10 now I had a look at the field he beat and his record - he had a big year in 1971

Year Race Name Status Distance
1970 VATC Burwood Handicap Pr 8F
1971 AJC Australasian Champion Stakes Pr 2000m
1971 AJC Chipping Norton Stakes Pr 10.5F
1971 AJC Queen Elizabeth Stakes Pr 12F
1971 VATC Caulfield Cup Pr 12F
1971 VATC Caulfield Stakes Pr 10F
1971 VATC St George Stakes Pr 9F
1971 VATC Underwood Stakes Pr 10F
1971 VRC Australian Cup Pr 10F
1971 VRC Blamey Stakes Pr 10F
1973 VRC Craiglee Stakes Pr 1600m

42 starts, 12 wins (6 x Group 1), 6 seconds and 5 thirds. 

Last run was a slashing 4th to leilani in the 1974 CC

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« 2018-Oct-18, 12:53 PM Reply #19 »
Gay Icarus was very good in a strong field. Sobarís win was as spectacular as any I saw or heard until Might and Powerís. Sobar was slaughtered by Harry White in the 1972 Derby and was never the same afterwards. Even Stevens just before my time but he beat the handicapper and by all accounts won both Cups easily.

You make a strong case for Ming, a great grey. Didnít he end up at Randwick as a clerkís horse?

Mannerism benefitted from Shane Dye adding an extra furlong to Veandercrossí distance but won with a good weight and from memory a good field in 1992. Sheís a bit underrated but not top 10.

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« 2018-Oct-18, 12:59 PM Reply #20 »
Gay Icarus got only the one win from his last 15 starts. He was still very competitive though but a length or two short of his very best as a 3 and 4yo

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« 2018-Oct-18, 02:06 PM Reply #21 »
Gay Icarus got only the one win from his last 15 starts. He was still very competitive though but a length or two short of his very best as a 3 and 4yo

Gurner's had no wins from last 13 starts with only 2 placings in those 13.

 

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« 2018-Oct-18, 04:51 PM Reply #22 »
Has anyone been watching some of the Best 10 CCs on the Victorian Racing channel.

It does bring back a few memories watching the mares Letís Elope, Etheral, Mannerism and Tristarc win. A couple of very handy geldings in Might and Power, Northerly and Sydeston were featured too.

Nowadays you sometimes are betting blind and if you ask me the last 5 CC winners, I probably will struggle to name them.

It used to be a great leadup race but now trainers avoid it for penalties for MC if they win. It does devalue it a bit.

I also canít remember the last time a 3yo ran in it. Beau Zam comes to my mind as I remember him running 2nd to Lord Reims as a kid.

If the VATC increases the prizemoney to $5 million or swopped it with the Guineas meeting, it may increase the prospect of more MC runners targeting the CC and thus more locals can identify with the runners. It will help boost the profile too.

Gone are the days where stayers are running every 2nd week or so to get fit. Thus a 3 week gap will help the runners too.

I hope the CC never becomes the way some G1s have become as an afterthought with a sponsor name overrides the history.
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« 2018-Oct-18, 05:42 PM Reply #23 »
I'm coming in rather late to this discussion.  I also realise that all of us have our biases, small or large.
This old-timer sees things rosier and rosier the further one goes back.  So it's probably not surprising that I include Royal Gem , Columnist and Even Stevens in my top ten post-war Cuo winners.  Leave out Gurner's Lane and.with some reluctance the grey's, Ming Dynasty's, two wins.  Tulloch's as the best of the lot.

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« 2018-Oct-18, 08:09 PM Reply #24 »
I backed Tristarc with confidence and coupled her with Our Sophia in the quinella (many times)


to complete probably my best day punting back in the day.  Nobody bought a drink that night cept me.


So   .......   Tulloch. 


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