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Offline firezuki

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O.P. « 2018-Oct-23, 08:43 AM »
Race 8 - Ladbrokes Cox Plate (2040 METRES)

Of $5,000,000.1st $3,000,000, 2nd $750,000, 3rd $375,000, 4th $250,000, 5th $200,000, 6th $100,000, 7th $100,000, 8th $75,000, 9th $75,000, 10th $75,000

Prize money contribution totalling 2% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution GROUP 1
Standard Weight for Age, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices cannot claim.


No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight Hcp Rating
1 x1121x0151 BENBATL (GB) Saeed Bin Suroor Oisin Murphy 3 59kg 123
2 4184x81733 HUMIDOR (NZ) Darren Weir Damian Lane 7 59kg 118
3 1111x43236 KINGS WILL DREAM (IRE) Darren Weir John Allen 4 59kg 116
4 x3326x1111 AVILIUS (GB) James Cummings Glyn Schofield 1 59kg 115
5 13714x3225 DíARGENTO Chris Waller Kerrin McEvoy 2 57.5kg 116
6 11x111x111 WINX Chris Waller Hugh Bowman 6 57kg 130
7 13x4192251 ROSTROPOVICH (IRE) Aidan O'Brien Ryan Moore 8 56kg 113
8 133115x521 SAVVY COUP (NZ) Michael & Matthew Pitman Chris Johnson 5 55.5kg 113
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« 2018-Oct-23, 08:53 AM Reply #1 »
Small field suits her.
Rostropovich to lead?

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« 2018-Oct-23, 10:00 AM Reply #2 »
Sorry FZ. You are right. Should have been a thread earlier but if you (or any forum member) wishes to start a thread on any race remember there are no restrictions on you doing so, and in fact we would encourage people to do this.

If you see a race that is interesting go ahead and kick off a thread. Doesn't have to be a Group race either.

We need more talk about the actual racing and less talk about other stuff IMO   emthup

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« 2018-Oct-23, 10:04 AM Reply #3 »
Small field suits her.
Rostropovich to lead?

Benbatl more than likely imho to lead. Sit and sprint tactics again.

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« 2018-Oct-23, 10:05 AM Reply #4 »
Small field suits her.
Rostropovich to lead?

Thought the same mate.

Small field means Hughie settles her at the back and doesn't have as many horses to get around. 

I can see him riding her like he did two years ago when Hartnell was in it. He just went around them to sit outside well before they turned then took the initiative to start the race home a bit earlier than usual. The rest is history.

If he rides her like he did in the Turnbull then it will be a nail biter.

Benbatl's 123 rating is nothing to sneeze at and a victory over him will enhance her international reputation.

Saw where Suroor was hoping it would be a wet track to give his horse a better chance. Someone should tap him on the shoulder and tell him that she is a swimmer   :biggrin:

One of the best Cox Plate fields I've seen.

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« 2018-Oct-23, 10:24 AM Reply #5 »
For depth of the field 1992 Cox Plate would have to be the best in my memory...


Let's Elope - Cups double, Australian Cup, multi WFA winner
Super Impose - Cox Plate, Melbourne Cup placegetter, multi G1 winner
Better Loosen Up - Cox Plate, Japan Cup, Australian Cup
Rough Habit - multi WFA winner, Cox Plate placegetter
Sydeston - Caulfield Cup, Tancred/BMW, twice Cox Plate placegetter
Mannerism - Caulfield Cup
Naturalism - Caulfield Stakes, second Japan Cup
Kinjite - Epsom, George Ryder, 3 x G1 winner
Slight Chance - 2 x Oaks winner, 5 x G1 winner
Burst - 3 x G1 winner
Prince Salieri - 2 x G1 winner
Coronation Day - 2 x G1 winner
Palace Reign - Caulfied Guineas
Muirfield Village - the only non Group 1 winner in the field.

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« 2018-Oct-23, 10:44 AM Reply #6 »
Bubba, I agree regarding the 1992 field and the actual race itself was brilliant except for the fall. A finish for the ages. If you ran the race 10 times, you may get 10 different winners.

Naturalism was a great AJC Derby winner along with the Rosehill Guineas.

Burst was a Slipper winner and the first of her sex to win the Triple G1 for the 2yos.

The only one from the master class of that year to miss running in that race was Veandercross.

Veandercross ran 2nd from memory to Naturalism twice in the Sydney 3yo triple series, 2nd to Mannerism in the CC and 2nd to subzero in the MC.

Freedman did something that year which has never been repeated by training the winners of the Big 3.

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« 2018-Oct-23, 12:03 PM Reply #7 »
It looks to be all over, the only logical problem was a traffic jam and that's gone now with an 8 horse field.

Some talk on the news that  the field might be down to 6 on race day ?


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« 2018-Oct-23, 05:23 PM Reply #8 »
Sorry FZ. You are right. Should have been a thread earlier but if you (or any forum member) wishes to start a thread on any race remember there are no restrictions on you doing so, and in fact we would encourage people to do this.

If you see a race that is interesting go ahead and kick off a thread. Doesn't have to be a Group race either.

We need more talk about the actual racing and less talk about other stuff IMO    emthup  


I just assumed there would be a thread.  I went through the list about three times and couldn't find one. 


Benbatl is a real threat and I think my guy Avilius might be too. 


Just hope she wins. 

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« 2018-Oct-24, 04:15 PM Reply #9 »
C'mon mate, there are no threats. :no:
Don't go soft about her now.  :lol:
She wins this by 6 if she wants.

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« 2018-Oct-24, 04:44 PM Reply #10 »
I've had a little on Humidor and plan to have a little more with today's announcement that the aim is for the track to be a good 4 all day.

Darren Weir's 6 month plan with Kings Will Dream was thwarted when he stumbled out of the barrier.
He has had a 12 month plan with Humidor however so will be hoping for a much better result.
 
Humidor has to find a length or two for sure but I feel he can with his better prep than last year.

When he won the Memsie on the good 4 it was hard to miss how straight he went......his bad habit of laying in is really noticeable when he is on firm ground.
Damien Lane described him as a beast the way he hit the line that day.

Blinkers 1st time since last Autumn and I hope the real pressure comes on at the 800 m.

Even if he fails I know in this race my horse is trying.
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« 2018-Oct-24, 04:51 PM Reply #11 »
For depth of the field 1992 Cox Plate would have to be the best in my memory...


Let's Elope - Cups double, Australian Cup, multi WFA winner
Super Impose - Cox Plate, Melbourne Cup placegetter, multi G1 winner
Better Loosen Up - Cox Plate, Japan Cup, Australian Cup
Rough Habit - multi WFA winner, Cox Plate placegetter
Sydeston - Caulfield Cup, Tancred/BMW, twice Cox Plate placegetter
Mannerism - Caulfield Cup
Naturalism - Caulfield Stakes, second Japan Cup
Kinjite - Epsom, George Ryder, 3 x G1 winner
Slight Chance - 2 x Oaks winner, 5 x G1 winner
Burst - 3 x G1 winner
Prince Salieri - 2 x G1 winner
Coronation Day - 2 x G1 winner
Palace Reign - Caulfied Guineas
Muirfield Village - the only non Group 1 winner in the field.

I would have 1992 slightly ahead of 2015. A couple of good ones out of the 70's deserving of mention


1992


1 SUPER IMPOSE (59) G. Hall 16/1
2 KINJITE (57) B. York 50/1
3 SLIGHT CHANCE (46.5) R. S. Dye 20/1
4 BETTER LOOSEN UP (59) S. D. Marshall 50/1
5 LET'S ELOPE (56.5) G. Childs 6/1
6 PRINCE SALIERI (59) S. Scriven 50
7 MANNERISM (56.5) D. Oliver (a) 16/1
8 CORONATION DAY (48.5) L. Cassidy 6/1
9 MUIRFIELD VILLAGE (48.5) S. King 12/1
10 BURST (46) P. Payne (a) 50/1
11 ROUGHT HABIT (59) J. Cassidy 10/1
12 SYDESTON (LR) (59) N. Wilson 200/1
13 NATURALISM (LR) (57) L. Dittman Evensf
14 PALACE REIGN (FELL) (48.5) P. Hutchinson 50/1






1971


1 TAUTO (9.4) L. Hill 12/1
2 IGLOO (9.0) E. Didham 11/4f
3 BEAU SOVEREIGN (7.11) A. Trevena 8/1
4 GUNSYND (9.0) R. Higgins 5/1
5 RAJAH SAHIB (9.4) R. Mallyon 9/2
6 TAILS (9.4) G. Howard 15/1
7 CLASSIC MISSION (7.11) R. Quinton 9/2
8 SILVER KNIGHT (9.0) H. White 16/1
9 CROWN LAW (9.4) B. Gilders 33/1
10 ROYAL SHAH (9.4) R. Setches 66/1
11 HAARLE (7.11) S. Aitken 16/1
12 NOT AGAIN (9.4) F. Reys 33/1
13 GALLIC TEMPLE (9.4) R. J. Hall 200/1






1977


1 FAMILY OF MAN (57) B. Thomson 10/1
2 RAFFINDALE (59) R. Higgins 3/1
3 VICE REGAL (57) G. Willetts 40/1
4 MARCEAU (48.5) S. Young (a) 100/1
5 UNAWARE (57) J. Stocker 9/2
6 STORMY REX (48.5) S. Burridge 40/1
7 BELMURA LAD (48.5) P. Trotter 50/1
8 SIR SILVER LAD (57) D. Wyatt 6/1
9 LUSKIN STAR (48.5) J. Letts 7/4f
10 HOW NOW (56.5) R. Mallyon 25/1
11 MING DYNASTY (57) H. White 20/1
12 FLIRTING PRINCE (48.5) R. Quinn (a) 160/1
13 LEFROY (48.5) B. F. Andrews 50/1
14 PELICAN POINT (48.5) G. Palmer (a) 50/1






2015


1 WINX 55.5kg Hugh Bowman $4.60
2 CRITERION 59kg Michael Walker $6.00
3 HIGHLAND REEL 56kg Ryan Moore $8.00
4 PORNICHET 59kg Kerrin McEvoy $61.00
5 HARTNELL 59kg James McDonald $16.00
6 FAWKNER 59kg Damien Oliver $21.00
7 THE CLEANER 59kg Noel Callow $18.00
8 GAILO CHOP 59kg Brad Rawiller $21.00
9 PREFERMENT 57.5kg Nash Rawiller $14.00
10 HAPPY TRAILS 59kg Mark Zahra $21.00
11 AROD 59kg Craig Williams $8.50
12 MOURINHO 59kg Vlad Duric $41.00
13 KERMADEC 57.5kg Glen Boss $9.00
14 COMPLACENT 59kg James Doyle $21.00

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« 2018-Oct-24, 05:13 PM Reply #12 »
BetEasy are offering $2.00 Winx to win the Cox Plate, subject to a maximum bet of $25. :what: :what: The CEO of  BetEasy ,Matthew Tripp, was asked  on Racing .Com  how much it could cost the company if Winx won ,he replied "millions "

Doing the figures if his company lost $1 million it would mean 40,000 punters took advantage of those odds and if they lost $2 million 80,000 punters would have grabbed those odds.
 
Tripp did not give any indication as to whether those punters were already on their books or whether they would be new punters, enticed by those odds, regardless I think Tripp was  embellishing those " millions " to promote his BetEasy brand.
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« 2018-Oct-24, 06:18 PM Reply #13 »
I think Tripp was  embellishing those " millions " to promote his BetEasy brand.

You've got a very suspicious mind  :shutup:

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« 2018-Oct-24, 06:45 PM Reply #14 »
C'mon Arthur, I did not come down in that last sun shower

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« 2018-Oct-24, 08:21 PM Reply #15 »
I think we're about the same vintage . .



I might have been born yesterday . .

But it was in the morning  :beer:

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« 2018-Oct-24, 08:58 PM Reply #16 »
Gee just one question. Is this the same Tripp family who for many years ignored the laws of this Land and contributed absolutely zip to this Industry while they ran either off shore or illegal SP outlets or some new mob who contribute heavily to the coffers of the Australian Racing Industry and its participants and employees ? Just wanted to know.

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« 2018-Oct-25, 07:36 AM Reply #17 »
Gee just one question. Is this the same Tripp family who for many years ignored the laws of this Land and contributed absolutely zip to this Industry while they ran either off shore or illegal SP outlets or some new mob who contribute heavily to the coffers of the Australian Racing Industry and its participants and employees ? Just wanted to know.

You are not wrong

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« 2018-Oct-25, 04:55 PM Reply #18 »
I am really surprised Waller opted for the same path as last year.

Out of all her 28 straight wins, the least impressive was last year's Cox Plate where she had a three week break between the Turnbull and the Cox Plate.

He has opted for exactly the same races this year.

And I think this year's Cox Plate has more depth.

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« 2018-Oct-25, 05:17 PM Reply #19 »
I've had the same thoughts PP,  I thought it might have been an issue last year but then she broke her own track record.

The 3 week break between runs is a little unusual in this part of the world but no doubt Waller is giving her enough work to compensate.


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« 2018-Oct-25, 06:14 PM Reply #20 »
I just want her to go to the Mackinnon after she wins.

If she loses, god I pray they donít spit the dummy and retire her  :no:

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« 2018-Oct-25, 10:51 PM Reply #21 »
Why go to the MacKinnon?  Exactly what would be the point? 


She's here for the Plate.  Win it and spell. 

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« 2018-Oct-26, 12:30 AM Reply #22 »
I watched Winx live a few times in Sydney and last was on Slipper day.

The course atmosphere is unbelievable when she returns to scale compared to when she heads out. You are scared she will lose even though you are only backing another horse for the place or run 2nd.

If she runs in the Mackinnon and that is hoping all is well this weekend, it will be her last race in Melbourne ever. She will never get an audience in Sydney like she will get in Flemington.

She has nothing to prove but it will be nice for her to bow out in front of 50k plus.


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« 2018-Oct-26, 06:11 AM Reply #23 »
Why go to the MacKinnon?  Exactly what would be the point? 


She's here for the Plate.  Win it and spell.


Just believe racehorse should race if they are fit and well.

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« 2018-Oct-26, 07:28 AM Reply #24 »
They have hinted at retirement if she loses.
No chance.


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