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Offline wily ole dog

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« 2018-Oct-26, 07:43 AM Reply #25 »
If they loose they will spit the dummy and retire her :(

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« 2018-Oct-26, 04:18 PM Reply #26 »
Six weeks ago there was a lot of media discussion about the banning of Regu-Mate in Victoria.

Peter Moody at the time said that it played a very important part in Black Caviar's racing.

Since then I haven't really heard anything more about it.

I will be very interested to see how the mares and the  filly go in the Manikato tonight.

Given the Caulfield Cup form of those beaten by Winx 3 weeks ago, it might just be the year that one of the males can actually  beat her.

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« 2018-Oct-26, 08:49 PM Reply #27 »
The only time she has remotely looked vulnerable is when they have gone for home early and made her chase.

I'd love to see Benbatl take off about 800 from home and really put the foot down and try to gap them. Suspect the Weir camp would like to see this so Humidor may just get a suck along with her and produce in the last 100.

Doubt it will happen but reckon that's the only chance they have.

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« 2018-Oct-26, 09:09 PM Reply #28 »
In an interview a few hours ago Bowman said there's been talk about the Northern hemisphere contingent taking off early to test out her staying ability.

It's probably their only hope but I suspect her cruising speed is higher than theirs anyway.

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« 2018-Oct-26, 09:16 PM Reply #29 »
After the Caul. cup, you betcha that's what's gonna happen.
Their only chance is to pinch a gap at the 800, if, and only if, it has been a sit n Sprint, and Hugh is asleep. :nowink:
If they control a very slow pace for the first 1200, then Bowman will have to be mindful...thats all.
Personally, I think he will ride her close to Benbatl, within 3 lengths, the whole way.
Until she needs to show him a lesson at the 300m mark  :biggrin:

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« 2018-Oct-27, 06:16 AM Reply #30 »
Iím on Rostropovich. Heíll lead or sit on Bens back

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« 2018-Oct-27, 12:52 PM Reply #31 »
The way this track has played last night and today is her biggest danger.

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« 2018-Oct-27, 01:19 PM Reply #32 »
The way this track has played last night and today is her biggest danger.

Just had a mate text me the same.

Fingers crossed Hughie is awake  :bulb:

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« 2018-Oct-27, 01:31 PM Reply #33 »
The way he rode Charge suggests he might be.

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« 2018-Oct-27, 03:18 PM Reply #34 »
Channel 7 is giving sectionals in running.
We will know at the 1000 m mark whether we have an issue.
Winx will stalk the pace and will be close today...from the 1000.
Leads from 300.
Wins.. :no1:

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« 2018-Oct-27, 06:13 PM Reply #35 »
The sectionals were reading 5.9 for the 200m splits...hmmm.no.  :lol:

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« 2018-Oct-27, 07:09 PM Reply #36 »
Six weeks ago there was a lot of media discussion about the banning of Regu-Mate in Victoria.

Peter Moody at the time said that it played a very important part in Black Caviar's racing.

Since then I haven't really heard anything more about it.

I will be very interested to see how the mares and the  filly go in the Manikato tonight.

Given the Caulfield Cup form of those beaten by Winx 3 weeks ago, it might just be the year that one of the males can actually  beat her.

Well I hope that is the end of the Regu-Mate stuff.

The 7yo mare was pulling away from the 5yo Entire at the end.

Hope those that potted her didn't lose too much.

29 straight!!

Betfair should set up a virtual cemetery for those that have laid her over the past 3 and a bit years  :rip:

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« 2018-Oct-28, 10:42 AM Reply #37 »
Yes it certainly did with Winx - I'm not so sure about Egg Tart and Unforgotten though.

Another point about the race which will no doubt upset you  PP7.

Was D'Argento the infamous Waller pacemaker that I have been talking about elsewhere?

Never led before in his previous 11 starts but McEvoy had him bowling along in front in this race despite Benbatl and Rostropovich being known leaders.

By the way you'll be glad to know that I did actually get a percentage of the  Melbourne Quadrella yesterday. Sure it would have been a higher percentage if I had have stood Winx out instead of also putting her in  with Benbatl and Rostropovich.

I may have these various theories but I am not completely stupid. 

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« 2018-Oct-28, 11:10 AM Reply #38 »
Yes it certainly did with Winx - I'm not so sure about Egg Tart and Unforgotten though.

Another point about the race which will no doubt upset you  PP7.

Was D'Argento the infamous Waller pacemaker that I have been talking about elsewhere?

Never led before in his previous 11 starts but McEvoy had him bowling along in front in this race despite Benbatl and Rostropovich being known leaders.

By the way you'll be glad to know that I did actually get a percentage of the  Melbourne Quadrella yesterday. Sure it would have been a higher percentage if I had have stood Winx out instead of also putting her in  with Benbatl and Rostropovich.

I may have these various theories but I am not completely stupid.

So the Regu-Mate conspiracy theory is replaced by the D'Argento conspiracy theory.

 :sleep:

Does not upset me at all   :biggrin:

No one posting I have seen has said that they think you are "completely" stupid. Well done to you getting the quaddie.

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« 2018-Oct-28, 11:38 AM Reply #39 »
2.03.47 secs....overall
35.62 secs ...last 600.
Was the grey really a pacemaker?
Was there any pace? ;)
Maybe the overseas boys were trying to go steady, real steady...
Would love to find 200 splits for whole race...only then can we reminisce or rake over coals..
What a dominant easy win.
She was , like Makybe' s year, just dominant.
But she has done it 4 times. Unreality.

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« 2018-Oct-28, 12:34 PM Reply #40 »
I was staggered by the lack of initiative by the 2 invaders.
The grey led by default

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« 2018-Oct-28, 12:40 PM Reply #41 »
The splits are here Shogun --> https://www.racing.com/form/2018-10-27/moonee-valley/race/9/results

She's run the fastest splits through the 800, 600, 400 & 200 of the race.

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« 2018-Oct-28, 02:15 PM Reply #42 »
I was staggered by the lack of initiative by the 2 invaders.
The grey led by default

Not quite so sure of this - Winx's time was fractionally faster than So You Think's and Sunline's fastest wins as well as Might and Power's win.

They led all the way in those respective races.

People can say it was a slowly run race but the time as far as I can work out was the third fastest (behind Winx's 2017 and 2015 wins) since the introduction of the StrathyAyr track in 1995.



 


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« 2018-Oct-28, 02:46 PM Reply #43 »
Thanks ian, I wasnt aware of that.

just watched the replay. Maybe we can forgive Rostropovich as he clearly got his tongue over the bit which certainly would have affected his breathing

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« 2018-Oct-28, 02:53 PM Reply #44 »
The times say it all.
A decent fast enough Cox Plate....hmmm...so they weren't going slow...
So, in that sense, we saw a pacemaker.
I actually thought Waller was gonna do that...if the overseas horses gave it up...which they did.
No stewards enquiry however.
Ah ah.
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« 2018-Oct-28, 04:48 PM Reply #45 »
Dargento's owners just got the most profitable 6th place in history I reckon.   :biggrin:

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« 2018-Oct-28, 04:53 PM Reply #46 »
The times say it all.
A decent fast enough Cox Plate....hmmm...so they weren't going slow...
So, in that sense, we saw a pacemaker.
I actually thought Waller was gonna do that...if the overseas horses gave it up...which they did.
No stewards enquiry however.
Ah ah.
  :lol:

They told the stewards Dargento was going forward. Track playing as it was also helped them see legit. I have no doubt Dargento was there to do it's best but also at the same time to ensure the 2 raiders couldn't dictate the race. Looks like dargento up'ed the pace all the way from the mile out so he did make it a test and not a sit sprint.

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« 2018-Oct-28, 07:51 PM Reply #47 »
Thanks Gin for referring me to those sectionals  emthup
Well summed up Ara, where do you find out stewards declarations? Certainly not on Channel 7 coverage...
If I had of known that, I woulda put another $2 on her to win...  :lol:  ;)

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« 2018-Oct-28, 07:55 PM Reply #48 »
Not quite so sure of this - Winx's time was fractionally faster than So You Think's and Sunline's fastest wins as well as Might and Power's win.

They led all the way in those respective races.

People can say it was a slowly run race but the time as far as I can work out was the third fastest (behind Winx's 2017 and 2015 wins) since the introduction of the StrathyAyr track in 1995.

Yeah and she did it easily, Hughy was very kind to her in the last 200 - she was still at cruising speed.

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« 2018-Oct-28, 08:02 PM Reply #49 »
If you watch 5 and 6 year olds playing junior Rugby League they tend to cluster around the middle of the field.

Invariably the fastest boy on the field gets into dummy half, picks the ball up and runs around the entire defence and sprints away and scores

In similar fashion, horses like Black Caviar and Winx are simply too fast for their opposition. It doesn't matter whether there is early pace or if they walk. These horses simply have the superior ability to run past all their rivals.



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