Author Topic: 2018 MELBOURNE CUP (Read 31311 times)

Gintara · « 2018-Oct-27, 06:43 PM **Reply #50** »

A Tweet from @gramage_

Kings Will Dream is heading to Ballarat Vet Clinic after being pulled out of the Cox Plate. Vets say at this stage he is lame in the near hind, John Allen reported “it felt like he may have re-injured that heel and then in his stride it was like he was hitting a nerve.” @Racing

Authorized · « 2018-Oct-28, 02:17 PM **Reply #51** »

1   x3195x1111   BEST SOLUTION (IRE)   H   5   Saeed Bin Suroor   1   57.5kg      2
2   3326x11114   AVILIUS (GB)   G   5   James Cummings   2   54.5kg   1.5kg   6.5
3   184x817333   HUMIDOR (NZ)   G   6   Darren Weir   3   58kg      1.5
4   5462x02410   ACE HIGH   H   4   David Payne   4   55kg      3
5   x512433x43   THE CLIFFSOFMOHER (IRE)   H   5   Aidan O'Brien   5   56.5kg      3
6   45x8145335   OUR IDAHO (IRE)   H   6   Aidan O'Brien   6   56kg      3.5
7   57x150x11x   MAGIC CIRCLE (IRE)   G   7   Ian Williams   7   56kg      3.5
8   x6731x7694   WHO SHOT THEBARMAN (NZ)   G   10   Chris Waller   8   55.5kg      4
9   x3x56x0200   TOSEN BASIL (JPN)   H   7   Darren Weir   9   55.5kg      4
10   1796x4341x   MUNTAHAA (IRE)   G   6   John Gosden   10   55.5kg      4
11   5x211250x0   CHESTNUT COAT (JPN)   H   5   Yoshito Yahagi   11   55.5kg      4
12   144x1132x0   SOUND (GER)   H   6   Michael Moroney   12   55.5kg      4
13   3x41922515   ROSTROPOVICH (IRE)   H   4   Aidan O'Brien   13   51kg      4.5
14   1x69x2112x   MARMELO (GB)   H   6   Hughie Morrison   14   55kg      4.5
15   41x8x79159   THE TAJ MAHAL (IRE)   H   5   Liam Howley   15   55kg      4.5
16   11x24112x   CROSS COUNTER (GB)   G   4   Charlie Appleby   16   51kg      4.5
17   11113x6327   YOUNGSTAR   M   4   Chris Waller   17   51.5kg      5
18   0521x53330   EGG TART   M   5   Chris Waller   18   53kg      5
19   3x15x53314   DURETTO (GB)   G   7   Andrew Balding   19   54.5kg      5
20   2x436013x1   YUCATAN IRE (IRE)   H   5   Aidan O'Brien   20   54.5kg   2.5kg   5
~~21   443x005000   BIG DUKE (IRE)   G   7   Darren Weir   21   54kg      5.5~~
22   21x05x4059   VENGEUR MASQUE (IRE)   G   7   Michael Moroney   22   54kg      5.5
23   7829x79401   VENTURA STORM (IRE)   G   6   David & B Hayes & T Dabernig   23   54kg      5.5
24   x5x0x08030   RED CARDINAL (IRE)   G   7   Darren Weir   24   54kg      5.5
25   56164x5266   AUVRAY (FR)   G   8   Richard Freedman   25   54kg      5.5
26   1x14222250   RED VERDON (USA)   H   6   Ed Dunlop   26   54kg      5.5
27   13x655x1x3   FINCHE (GB)   H   5   Chris Waller   27   54kg      5.5
28   231130x341   RUNAWAY   R   4   Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott   28   52kg   1.5kg   6
29   53x16x2172   HOMESMAN (USA)   G   5   Liam Howley   29   53kg      6.5
30   58402x0080   ZACADA (NZ)   G   6   Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman   30   53kg      6.5
31   14513x0147   SIR CHARLES ROAD   G   5   Lance O'Sullivan & Andrew Scott   31   53kg      6.5
32   1x5x005770   NAKEETA (GB)   G   8   Iain Jardine   32   53kg      6.5
~~33   121x31x1x8   WITHHOLD (GB)   G   6   Roger Charlton   33   53kg      6.5~~
34   32x03705x0   SOLE IMPACT (JPN)   H   7   Hirofumi Toda   34   53kg      6.5
~~35   111x43236P   KINGS WILL DREAM (IRE)   G   5   Darren Weir   35   53kg      6.5~~
36   110328x277   OUR VENICE BEACH (IRE)   H   5   Liam Howley   36   53kg      6.5
37   337x351076   MISS ADMIRATION   M   4   Mick Price   37   50kg      6.5
38   x2188632x3   A PRINCE OF ARRAN (GB)   G   6   Charlie Fellowes   38   53kg      6.5
39   x420x83783   LIBRAN (IRE)   G   8   Chris Waller   39   53kg      6.5
40   9066x9x390   PRIZE MONEY (GB)   G   6   Saeed Bin Suroor   40   52.5kg      7
41   31105x0248   GALLIC CHIEFTAIN (FR)   H   6   Darren Weir   41   52.5kg      7
42   4x39770x36   LORD FANDANGO (GER)   H   6   Archie Alexander   42   52.5kg      7
43   32x80x5625   SULLY (NZ)   G   4   Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young   43   51kg      7
44   x16313x507   MEGABLAST (NZ)   G   7   Darren Weir   44   52.5kg      7
45   x6x10x2468   DAL HARRAILD (GB)   G   6   Ciaron Maher & David Eustace   45   52.5kg      7
46   48x220x040   WALL OF FIRE (IRE)   H   6   Ciaron Maher & David Eustace   46   52.5kg      7
47   3x60x86420   ONE FOOT IN HEAVEN (IRE)   R   7   Chris Waller   47   52.5kg      7
48   114656x641   PATRICK ERIN (NZ)   G   7   Chris Waller   48   52kg   2.0kg   7.5
49   512226x960   REZEALIENT   G   4   David & B Hayes & T Dabernig   49   50.5kg      7.5
50   x04331x220   RISING RED (NZ)   G   5   Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young   50   51kg      8.5
51   61x16246x6   CASTERTON (IRE)   H   5   Chris Waller   51   51kg      8.5
52   x049632x0x   PENTATHLON (NZ)   G   7   John Wheeler   52   51kg      8.5
53   427x345353   ODEON (NZ)   G   5   Mathew Ellerton & Simon Zahra   53   51kg      8.5
54   1119x45842   NORTHWEST PASSAGE   G   5   Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott   54   50.5kg      9
55   1x22x33222   BRIMHAM ROCKS (GB)   G   5   Chris Waller   55   50kg      9.5
56   462L1x3300   SIN TO WIN (NZ)   G   6   David & B Hayes & T Dabernig   56   50kg      9.5
57   4421x22630   YOGI (NZ)   G   6   Darren Weir   57   50kg      9.5
58   x714911179   HARIPOUR (IRE)   H   5   Darren Weir   58   50kg      9.5
59   2333240x68   ORMITO (GER)   G   6   Darren Weir   59   50kg      9.5
60   33x1x61812   JAAMEH (IRE)   G   6   David & B Hayes & T Dabernig   60   50kg      9.5
61   164x0x0254   MIDTERM (GB)   G   6   Liam Howley   61   50kg      9.5
62   x31x0x1147   HIGH BRIDGE (GB)   G   8   Chris Waller   62   50kg      9.5
63   9x00640671   KELLSTORM (IRE)   H   6   Darren Weir   63   50kg      9.5
64   x780x00690   MIGHTY BOSS   H   4   Mick Price   64   53.5kg      4.5
65   6x63211752   TRAP FOR FOOLS   G   5   Jarrod McLean   65   53kg      6.5
66   141x213160   NIGHT’S WATCH (NZ)   G   5   Darren Weir   66   52kg   1.0kg   7.5
67   x6110x4850   LUVALUVA (NZ)   M   4   John Sargent   67   50kg      8
68   0x55211x31   SIXTIES GROOVE (IRE)   G   6   Darren Weir   68   50.5kg      9
69   12x0873521   AZURO (FR)   G   5   Darren Weir   69=   50kg      9.5
70   0x621x4520   HARRISON (GB)   G   6   Liam Howley   69=   50kg      9.5
71   331x03123   ILWENDO (GER)   H   5   Matthew Smith   69=   50kg      9.5
72   811725   MASTER OF REALITY (IRE)   H   4   Joseph O'Brien   69=   50kg      9.5
73   x995746415   MASTER ZEPHYR (GB)   G   7   Darren Weir   69=   50kg      9.5
74   4x02x67503   OPPOSITION (GB)   G   6   Chris Waller   69=   50kg      9.5
75   2230x02590   ROMANESQUE (IRE)   H   6   Jarrod McLean   69=   50kg      9.5
76   400x011902   THE LORD MAYOR (NZ)   G   4   Chris Waller   69=   50kg      9.5
77   1x3x338550   THE PENTAGON (IRE)   H   4   Aidan O'Brien   69=   50kg      9.5
78   131131   THINKIN’ BIG   C   3   Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott   69=   49kg      9.5

JWesleyHarding · « 2018-Oct-28, 02:43 PM **Reply #52** »

Auth

Are those scratchings actual ones or your anticipatory ones?

Jeunes · « 2018-Oct-28, 02:53 PM **Reply #53** »

Kings Will Dream fights for life after fracturing his pelvis in Cox Plate; import hurt at Werribee
COX Plate casualty Kings Will Dream is in a critical condition after fracturing his pelvis and rupturing a blood vessel during the Cox Plate.

Herald Sun
October 28, 20183:17pm
COX Plate casualty Kings Will Dream is fighting for his life at the Ballarat Equine Clinic.
His managing owner Brad Spicer tweeted that Kings Will Dream fractured his pelvis and ruptured a blood vessel in the incident which he suffered in the early stages of the Cox Plate.
“The next 24 to 72 hours is critical as he will be monitored closely,” Spicer said.

Spicer said the good news was that the ruptured blood vessel had clotted overnight but the veterinary surgeons are still concerned that it can be disturbed.
Kings Will Dream was pulled out of the Cox Plate by his jockey John Allen after 500m as he said he felt uncomfortable.
Allen told stewards that the gelding struck himself upon leaving the barriers.

Kings Will Dream is in a critical condition

Jeunes · « 2018-Oct-28, 02:54 PM **Reply #54** »

Another update on MC runners

CAULFIELD CUP EYE-CATCHER INJURED
By Leo Schlink
DURETTO is the latest international to fall foul of Werribee’s Saturday morning trackwork curse.
Fourth in the Caulfield Cup, the English contender is now in doubt for the Melbourne Cup after injuring a leg while galloping on Saturday.
Racing Victoria stewards said the raider will undergo a bone scan on his nearside foreleg at the University of Melbourne’s equine centre on Tuesday.
Results of the scan will determine if the horse is fit to contest the November 6 Cup.
Duretto is currently restricted to box rest at the Werribee quarantine station.
He stormed into Melbourne Cup calculations with a strong-finishing fourth in the Caulfield Cup and is a TAB $17 chance.
He is the fourth international to suffer an injury at Werribee.
Hamada was euthanised after fracturing a leg during exercise, while Godolphin stablemate Emotionless has been spelled after fracturing his pelvis.
Cross Counter was restricted to box rest after needing stitches to a leg cut but is now back on target for the Melbourne Cup.

JWesleyHarding · « 2018-Oct-28, 02:59 PM **Reply #55** »

Quote from: Jeunes on 2018-Oct-28, 02:54 PM

Emotionless has been spelled after fracturing his pelvis.

Maybe this humour might be a little black so those easily offended turn away now.

I doubt whether "Emotionless" will be feeling that way with a fractured pelvis.

Jeunes · « 2018-Oct-28, 03:00 PM **Reply #56** »

From Canberra Times

Craig Williams gets the ride on Youngstar in the Melbourne Cup
By Chris Roots & Adam Pengilly
27 October 2018 — 7:48pm

Chris Waller has booked Craig Williams to ride Youngstar in the Melbourne Cup after Kerrin McEvoy opted to ride Godolphin raider Cross Counter.

Youngstar was one of the main victims of the slow tempo in the Caulfield Cup, getting back to last and charging to the line to run seventh. Waller had several jockeys hunting the ride on the Queensland Oaks winner.

“Once Kerrin made his decision, we had Joao Moreira and Brenton Avdulla in the mix but we have booked Craig, who can make the 51.5kg easily,” Waller said. "She has come through the Caulfield Cup very well and I think she will run the two miles right out."

Williams has won the Golden Slipper on Miss Finland, a Cox Plate on Pinker Pinker and Caulfield Cups with Southern Speed and Dunaden, leaving the Melbourne Cup as the last big one he needs for the grand slam.

The premier Sydney stable earlier in the week booked Zac Purton to ride Geelong Cup placegetter Finche in the race that stops the nation.

JWesleyHarding · « 2018-Oct-28, 03:01 PM **Reply #57** »

It was Youngstar that made me query Auth's scratching in the above post.

Gintara · « 2018-Oct-28, 03:09 PM **Reply #58** »

Quote from: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Oct-28, 03:01 PM

It was Youngstar that made me query Auth's scratching in the above post.

Yeah I did a double take on that

Ace High still in markets as well

wily ole dog · « 2018-Oct-28, 03:13 PM **Reply #59** »

Hope he's wrong ive got a vrry nice double going with best solution

Authorized · « 2018-Oct-28, 03:21 PM **Reply #60** »

Quote from: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Oct-28, 02:43 PM

Auth

Are those scratchings actual ones or your anticipatory ones?

They were my anticipatory ones.

JWesleyHarding · « 2018-Oct-28, 03:35 PM **Reply #61** »

Thanks, a lot.

I'd better go now and retrieve my tickets.

Hope they haven't lit the BBQ yet.

Authorized · « 2018-Oct-28, 03:40 PM **Reply #62** »

From https://www.punters.com.au/news/likely-field-for-the-2018-melbourne-cup_173986/

Expected field for the 2018 Melbourne Cup
	Horse	Sex	Age	Trainer	Weight	Penalty
1	BEST SOLUTION (IRE)	H	5	Saeed Bin Suroor	57.5kg
2	AVILIUS (GB)	G	5	James Cummings	54.5kg	1.5kg
3	ACE HIGH	H	4	David Payne	55kg
4	THE CLIFFSOFMOHER (IRE)	H	5	Aidan O'Brien	56.5kg
5	OUR IDAHO (IRE)	H	6	Aidan O'Brien	56kg
6	MAGIC CIRCLE (IRE)	G	7	Ian Williams	56kg
7	WHO SHOT THEBARMAN (NZ)	G	10	Chris Waller	55.5kg
8	MUNTAHAA (IRE)	G	6	John Gosden	55.5kg
9	CHESTNUT COAT (JPN)	H	5	Yoshito Yahagi	55.5kg
10	SOUND CHECK (GER)	H	6	Michael Moroney	55.5kg
11	ROSTROPOVICH (IRE)	H	4	Aidan O'Brien	51kg
12	MARMELO (GB)	H	6	Hughie Morrison	55kg
13	THE TAJ MAHAL (IRE)	H	5	Liam Howley	55kg
14	CROSS COUNTER (GB)	G	4	Charlie Appleby	51kg
15	YOUNGSTAR	M	4	Chris Waller	51.5kg
16	DURETTO (GB)*	G	7	Andrew Balding	54.5kg
17	YUCATAN IRE (IRE)	H	5	Aidan O'Brien	54.5kg	2.5kg
18	VENGEUR MASQUE (IRE)	G	7	Michael Moroney	54kg
19	VENTURA STORM (IRE)	G	6	David & B Hayes & T Dabernig	54kg
20	AUVRAY (FR)	G	8	Richard Freedman	54kg
21	RED VERDON (USA)	H	6	Ed Dunlop	54kg
22	FINCHE (GB)	H	5	Chris Waller	54kg
23	RUNAWAY	R	4	Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott	52kg	1.5kg
24	JAAMEH (IRE)	G	6	David & B Hayes & T Dabernig	50kg

*Duretto is in some doubt pending the result of bone scans

Jeunes · « 2018-Oct-28, 03:58 PM **Reply #63** »

That is a brave field pick more than a week away but then again it is better than what most would have picked a few weeks ago.

No 3 Ace High is doubtful unless he has done really well over the last week

No 13 Taj Mahal did not anything much yesterday so unless he is going to be a pacemaker or have a good sit near the lead, it is hard to see him being competitive

No 14 Cross Counter is under an injury cloud but anticipated to start

No 16 Duretto is under a larger injury crowd

No 24 Jaameh has to win on Derby Day to qualify but Hayes reckons it is his best chance to win

JWesleyHarding · « 2018-Oct-28, 04:09 PM **Reply #64** »

"No 13 Taj Mahal did not anything much yesterday so unless he is going to be a pacemaker or have a good sit near the lead, it is hard to see him being competitive"

He sat out in the bleachers.

Authorized · « 2018-Oct-28, 04:10 PM **Reply #65** »

Jaameh, Is he NOT qualified ?

He can win on Saturday, In fact without even looking at the weights and field I expect him to win. But running on Saturday will ruin his chances on Tuesday, yet he can not get in on Tuesday if he does not win on Saturday.

What a conundrum.

Wenona · « 2018-Oct-28, 05:08 PM **Reply #66** »

I think that's a loose use of the word Qualified.

Jaameh ran third in a Group 3 race over 2500m at Flemington on October 6th, so in terms of passing the ballot conditions he is qualified.

He is just so far down the order of entry with 50kg he is very unlikely to make the top 24 without winning on Saturday.

Why do you think he couldn't do the Shocking double - I know you had no qualms about his chances in the big one.

It's a very similar situation - Shocking missed the Caulfield Cup as a scratched emergency as well from memory.

Authorized · « 2018-Oct-28, 06:01 PM **Reply #67** »

Actually I take that back. Just looking at form more closely, for some reason I had this idea that he was doing super racing really fresh but he hasn't been being kept fresh he has raced quite consistently on a 2 to 3 week basis, so I take that back. Obviously it would depend on how hard a run he has.

Jeunes · « 2018-Oct-28, 06:27 PM **Reply #68** »

Also noticed that Weir does not have a runner too.

Quite intrigued by that as he has been picking up some nice races too this spring.

I stand to be corrected but Aidan seems to have the most runners in the top 24 at the moment.

The weather seems ok too which will be interesting for a few runners.

gunbower · « 2018-Oct-28, 06:51 PM **Reply #69** »

What a disgrace this race has become. It used to be this nation's major event. Sadly no more thanks to the donkeys who run the VRC.
Really couldn't care less any longer.

Wenona · « 2018-Oct-28, 07:23 PM **Reply #70** »

I actually find it a more interesting race.

My betting on the race has reduced dramatically over the last few years but I actually find the fact the raiders come intriguing though I do kind of miss following your selected locals through their lead ups and early doubles are now clearly out.

I have sympathy for local trainers who want more qualifying/staying races throughout the year but really it's not like there's a batch of good local stayers missing out.

gunbower · « 2018-Oct-28, 07:47 PM **Reply #71** »

Wenona, my punting on the Cup has also diminished . It is now zero. Prefer to wait to Kyneton Cup day on the Wednesday.

Wenona · « 2018-Oct-28, 07:51 PM **Reply #72** »

The other big factor in my Melbourne Cup betting drop was the overseas corporates coming to Australia and making me close my off-shore accounts.

PoisonPen7 · « 2018-Oct-28, 07:58 PM **Reply #73** »

Has definitely lost local interest. Don't look forward to the race like I once did.

Ladbrokes have an interesting market. Barriers. Only 113%

Barrier 5	$17.00	5.88%
Barrier 6	$17.00	5.88%
Barrier 7	$17.00	5.88%
Barrier 8	$17.00	5.88%
Barrier 9	$17.00	5.88%
Barrier 10	$17.00	5.88%
Barrier 11	$17.00	5.88%
Barrier 14	$17.00	5.88%
Barrier 17	$17.00	5.88%
Barrier 1	$21.00	4.76%
Barrier 4	$21.00	4.76%
Barrier 19	$21.00	4.76%
Barrier 22	$21.00	4.76%
Barrier 2	$26.00	3.85%
Barrier 3	$26.00	3.85%
Barrier 12	$26.00	3.85%
Barrier 13	$26.00	3.85%
Barrier 15	$26.00	3.85%
Barrier 16	$26.00	3.85%
Barrier 20	$26.00	3.85%
Barrier 21	$26.00	3.85%
Barrier 23	$26.00	3.85%
Barrier 18	$31.00	3.23%
Barrier 24	$31.00	3.23%
TOTAL		113.06%

Jeunes · « 2018-Oct-28, 09:53 PM **Reply #74** »

If all the state racing bodies worked together, we will be seeing more and more of these o/s horses racing before the cup.

Defending champions and top 5 weights will be the first to qualify. I would then go on all WFA winners over 2000m and beyond with all Australian Derby and Oaks winners to automatically qualify. Then give the winners of the Sydney Cup and Metropolitan automatic qualification. The winner of the CC and placegetters automatically qualify. Then you throw a few more Victorian based staying handicaps such as the Lexus, Moonee Valley Cup, Geelong Cup, Herbert Power and St Leger and the winners get in.

If you have too many then you go on weights. This stops many o/s runners that are pitched in at the weights who win a group or listed race automatically qualifying.

I am not saying we should stop o/s runners running in the race. Far from it, I just think we should get them to qualify majority of the time in Australia unless they are the type of horse like the CC winner etc with high class WFA form in Europe.

It also makes the public get a better understanding of the runners too.