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Offline tontonan

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« 2018-Nov-04, 02:10 PM Reply #125 »

Thanks N -- I still cannot find any schedule for what is on 68/78.

I can.  I spent two minutes on Google and found three tv guides that listed the schedule. 

Try it. Google your city and 'tv guide'.  It's not rocket science.

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« 2018-Nov-04, 04:34 PM Reply #126 »


Thank you Tonto

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« 2018-Nov-04, 04:38 PM Reply #127 »
I can.  I spent two minutes on Google and found three tv guides that listed the schedule. 

Try it. Google your city and 'tv guide'.  It's not rocket science.

It was always there. Just Mair and his falsehoods again

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« 2018-Nov-04, 05:13 PM Reply #128 »
I can.  I spent two minutes on Google and found three tv guides that listed the schedule. 

Try it. Google your city and 'tv guide'.  It's not rocket science.

So Pete should google 'La La Land TV Guide'.

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« 2018-Nov-04, 06:20 PM Reply #129 »
Muntahaa certainly does need studying.
Supposedly highly strung....hmmm.
Up to Flemington Tuesday?
But something bout him , also..guess I am building my top 8 or so here.
Last minute bet, if he is settled, would be strategy..
no early bets for this fella..until he is striding up to the gates happily.

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« 2018-Nov-04, 06:23 PM Reply #130 »
He seems to have lost quite a few times to others also in the field  :chin:

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« 2018-Nov-04, 06:48 PM Reply #131 »
He was gelded at the end of the UK racing season last year and under went a re learning process.

Ebor winner Muntahaa can handle Melbourne Cup heat
LEO SCHLINK, Herald Sun
November 1, 2018 6:59pm

   
CHAMPION jockey Jim Crowley is confident notoriously volatile Muntahaa will cope with Melbourne Cup pressure as John Gosden attempts to add another golden touch to an incredible season.

Regarded as highly-strung – and highly talented – Muntahaa is following the same pathway to Flemington as previous Ebor Handicap winners Heartbreak City and Nakeeta.

While Heartbreak City (second in 2016) and Nakeeta (fifth in ’17) ran well without winning, Crowley believes the enigmatic Muntahaa can create history despite concerns over the horse’s fragility.

“Obviously you would have concerns (about his temperament)…but he’s growing up, he’s getting mentally better as he is gets older,” Crowley, Britain’s champion flat rider, said.

“Hopefully he can take it all in. He’s a strong traveler. He used to pull hard in his younger days but he’s got better in his last few starts.”

Crowley said Gosden had reformed the rebellious grey, curbing his cantankerous instincts.

“Things just weren’t going right for him at the time (as a young horse) and they gelded him,” Crowley said.

“John Gosden is just an unbelievable trainer and he decided to start again with him and take him back to square one.

“That’s why we saw him win the Ebor the way he did.

“He’s a strong traveller and in the Ebor he was the last horse off the bridle.

“He’s quick enough. He’s won over a mile and a half in Group races.”

Gosden has dominated European racing this season with superstars Enable, Cracksman and Stradivarius.

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« 2018-Nov-04, 06:54 PM Reply #132 »


Darryl Sherer
26 August 2018


Muntahaa and Weekender gave John Gosden the quinella in Saturday’s £500,000 Ebor Handicap (1m6f) at York with the winner a possible Melbourne Cup entry.

The top weight Weekender went for home early in the straight and struck the front briefly before Muntahaa (11/1) came though with a smooth challenge to win going away by 3-1/4 lengths over Weekender (15/2) with Sea The Lion (9/1) a further 1-3/4 lengths away third.

The 3/1 favourite Stratum found some trouble in running and never threatened as a winning chance, beaten 9-1/4 lengths into 12th place.

"His ability was never in doubt. It was just a case of getting him in good form mentally,” Angus Gold, racing manager to Muntahaa's owner Sheikh Hamdan Al Maktoum, told the Sporting Life.

“John said to me last week he had never had this horse better.”

Asked about a possible Melbourne Cup tilt, Gold was more cautious.

"If entries haven't closed yet, we'll put him in,” Gold said. “Whether he'd take to it mentally with the hustle and bustle, I don't know.”

A five-year-old son of Dansili, Muntahaa was gelded at the end of last season. As a three-year-old he defeated Marmelo by six lengths to win his Maiden on the synthetic surface at Kepnton over a mile and a half.

Prior to the Ebor he finished fourth behind Best Solution in the Group II Princess Of Wales’s Stakes over a mile and a half at Newmarket and is rated a $34 for the Melbourne Cup with Sportsbet.

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« 2018-Nov-04, 08:55 PM Reply #133 »


Is it published when was Ventura Storm gelded, please? 

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« 2018-Nov-05, 06:16 AM Reply #134 »
why do you want to know

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« 2018-Nov-05, 06:59 AM Reply #135 »

Is it published when was Ventura Storm gelded, please?
It can be difficult to find exactly when a horse was gelded.

I'm sure I heard D.Hayes state that Ventura Storm was gelded and had a wind operation after the Sydney cup.


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« 2018-Nov-05, 07:15 AM Reply #136 »
Yes he did Nem :thumbsup:
Also appeared in all the form guides thus highlighting the dishonest question by Mair

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« 2018-Nov-05, 08:45 AM Reply #137 »
Williams firm in his belief track needs more water
MATT JONES


BIG CHANCE: Nick Williams.

NICK Williams, the owner of Melbourne Cup favourite Yucatan, has implored Flemington track manager Liam O’Keeffe to “turn the taps on” ahead of tomorrow’s meeting after concerns over the firmness of the track for Derby Day on Saturday.

The track was rated a good three on Saturday but Williams, who also has The Cliffsofmoher running tomorrow, said the track needed more water despite the forecast for rain today and tomorrow.

O’Keeffe did apply 5mm of irrigation to the track shortly after Saturday’s meeting.

“I was fortunate that I was a spectator on Saturday and I’m pleased we didn’t have any of our horses there because I can guarantee you there are a lot of sore horses to come out of that race day,” Williams said.

“I spent a fair bit of time in the mounting yard and I probably had 10 or 15 jockeys tell me it was ridiculously firm and it’s something the authorities need to look at.”

Williams received support from Magic Circle’s trainer Ian Williams but not from Charlie Fellowes, who will saddle up Saturday’s Lexus Stakes winner A Prince Of Arran.

“Leave the track alone,” he said at Werribee yesterday.

Despite the track worries, Williams said the strong international presence meant the Cup was no longer just the race that stopped a nation.

“It’s getting close to the race that stops the world,” he said.

The Aidan O’Brien-trained five-year-old Yucatan will again be partnered by jockey James McDonald but has eased slightly as favourite after drawing wide in gate 23.

Williams warned rivals that the $6 Ladbrokes favourite was going even better than when he won the Group 2 Herbert Power Stakes (2400m) at Caulfield on October 13.

“He was more impressive than we could have hoped for and I can certainly say that after talking to Aidan’s people, he has come on from the race,” Williams said. “Hindsight has shown us that we’ve done the right thing in skipping the Caulfield Cup with him.”ENDS

Leave the track alone the weather is predicted to bring some moisture......I hope the track manager doesn't lissen to Williams.

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2018-Nov-05, 09:03 AM Reply #138 »

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« 2018-Nov-05, 09:12 AM Reply #139 »
Arthur,

See Wednesdays papers!

Your journalists writes off my roughy -love that!

Fours


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« 2018-Nov-05, 10:40 AM Reply #140 »
Watched ABC news last night and they ran an item on the Cup. Typically ABC it was all negative about the race...too many internationals in the race.....we should breed more stayers....race is losing its appeal to Australians... Adam Sangster lamenting the under-usage of his staying stallions .... Mick Kent saying how difficult to get a runner in the race..etc etc

I know most on this forum would agree with most of those sentiments, however I doubt the race is losing its appeal to the average Australian. Most of the crowd at the Cup would not know one end of a horse from the other, they attend for the party, however, because from the middle of the year, the Cup has travelled the world from the UK & Ireland and to school kids, nursing homes, community centres all over Australia  I believe the race has been taken to a new level in the non-racing community.


Either the ABC was unaware of the Cup's travels over the past 6 months or for their own reasons were downplaying the relevance of the Melbourne Cup.
« Last Edit: 2018-Nov-05, 05:51 PM by Bubbasmith »

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« 2018-Nov-05, 11:29 AM Reply #141 »
This forum seems hung up on 'positivity' issues. 

There is nothing in the ABC article that suggests that the Cup is any less popular with the public than it has always been and unlike some of the commercial carriers the ABC has no vested interest in talking up the race or joining in the hype.     Why everything the ABC covers needs to be portrayed as some sort of conspiracy is beyond me. 

All the issues covered in the article have been done over a thousand times in racing forums and they are perfectly valid.   All Aunty is doing is exposing them to a broader public who is otherwise being bombarded by racing positivity, hype and spin.   There is balance in that.

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« 2018-Nov-05, 12:07 PM Reply #142 »
The VRC , who run the Cup, are part of the 'establishment ', which is the complete apathy of lefty ABC

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« 2018-Nov-05, 12:56 PM Reply #143 »


Here's old Bubba (reds under every bed) Smith carrying on like a pork chop again.
 

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« 2018-Nov-05, 01:31 PM Reply #144 »
This is what we need to liven up the Melbourne Cup thread - a good old political stoush!!

Let's get into it   :biggrin:

The ABC are part of the "New Age Politically Correct".

Following Horse Racing = Gambling = Vermin Filth (but somewhat hypocritically it is OK to have a flutter on the Cup).

They would have been buoyed by the reaction to The Everest Opera House beat up so why shouldn't The Cup cop some as well.

Melbourne Cup in need of fairytale horse to capture nation's heart

It might be going a bit far to suggest Winx has ruined this Melbourne Cup.

But for the equine day-tripper, the absence of the highest-profile horse from Australia's biggest race seems a bit like Virat Kohli not playing Test matches or Cristiano Ronaldo absenting himself from the World Cup.

...

As many have bemoaned, the domination of so-called "international raiders" and foreign-bred horses imported specifically for the race has unquestionably diminished the romance.

Not just because the so-called bush battlers have next to no chance of even making the field, but because we have very little time to get to know the fly-in-fly-out runners or even the locally trained imports before the starter's light is flashing.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-05/melbourne-cup-2018-missing-fairytale-horse-to-capture-hearts/10464082

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« 2018-Nov-05, 02:36 PM Reply #145 »
Only four runners have been sired by horses that have sired previous winners - Vengeur Masque, Youngstar, Ace High and Red Cardinal.

Year Winner Sire Runners This Year
2017 Rekindling High Chaparral Ace High, Youngstar
2016 Almandin Monsun Vengeur Masque
2015 Prince Of Penzance Pentire
2014 Protectionist Monsun Vengeur Masque
2013 Fiorente Monsun Vengeur Masque
2012 Green Moon Montjeu Red Cardinal
2011 Dunaden Nicobar
2010 Americain Dynaformer
2009 Shocking Street Cry
2008 Viewed Scenic

Galileo is the sire of 101 stakes winners and is the sire of Cliffsofmoher and Yucatan, as well as Frankel who is the sire of Finche and Rostropovich.

Zabeel is represented by Zacada.

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« 2018-Nov-05, 04:11 PM Reply #146 »
Zacada being by Zabeel would then make him the 5th runner......or is this just a last 10yr thing?

Better give the other grandson of Galileo, Cross Counter a mention just in case he wins.

Never stops though because Who Shot Thebarman is a grandson of Sir Tristram.

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« 2018-Nov-05, 04:34 PM Reply #147 »
 

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« Last Edit: 2018-Nov-07, 05:51 AM by pegasyber »

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« 2018-Nov-05, 06:19 PM Reply #148 »

THE LETSGOHORSERACING tip for the MELBOURNE CUP is the FAVORITE YUCATAN despite his wide draw.
Our heart tells us that James Cummings can continue the Cup dynasty of his grand-father with rising staying star AVELIUS but our head points to YUCATAN after his freakish win in the Herbert Power.
YOUNGSTAR was our original tip until Kerrin McEvoy jumped off to ride CROSS COUNTER so we relegated this pair and decided to stick with that four for our TRIFECTA BET.

YUCATAN – AVELIUS – CROSS COUNTER - YOUNGSTAR 

Giddy Up :beer:



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« 2018-Nov-05, 06:26 PM Reply #149 »
Thanks arsey


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