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Offline PoisonPen7

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O.P. « 2018-Aug-16, 08:29 AM »
Thought I'd start a thread for discussion on this year's carnivals in Sydney and Melbourne and also a place I can post the fields on the "interesting" races.
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« 2018-Aug-16, 08:29 AM Reply #1 »
Race 7 - 4:00PM Sir John Monash P.B. Lawrence Stakes (1400 METRES)

Of $200,000.1st $120,000, 2nd $36,000, 3rd $18,000, 4th $9,000, 5th $5,000, 6th $4,000, 7th $4,000, 8th $4,000
Prize money contribution totalling 2% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution GROUP 2
Standard Weight for Age, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Maidens at time of entry are ineligible, Apprentices cannot claim.


No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight Hcp Rating
1 2290x1304x HARTNELL (GB) James Cummings Craig Williams 13 59kg 113
2 5x323529x4 BLACK HEART BART Darren Weir Brad Rawiller 2 59kg 113
3 3520x4184x HUMIDOR (NZ) Darren Weir Damian Lane 1 59kg 116
4 934100x21x BOOM TIME David & B Hayes & T Dabernig Cory Parish 10 59kg 109
5 x2x533x98x DANON LIBERTY (JPN) Darren Weir Mark Zahra 12 59kg 104
6 x55021443x BIG DUKE (IRE) Darren Weir Harry Coffey 3 59kg 107
7 867x28167x HARLEM (GB) David & B Hayes & T Dabernig Regan Bayliss 4 59kg 109
8 3x20081243 JUNGLE EDGE Mick Bell Kevin Forrester 15 59kg 108
9 1111312712 WIDGEE TURF Patrick Payne Billy Egan 9 59kg 104
10 32x11x5x0x RED CARDINAL (IRE) Darren Weir Ben Allen(a) 11 59kg 108
11 331x11111x KINGS WILL DREAM (IRE) Darren Weir John Allen 14 59kg 98
12 12741x780x MIGHTY BOSS Mick Price Michael Walker 7 58.5kg 104
13 3x1111x GRUNT (NZ) Mick Price Damien Oliver 6 58.5kg 106
14 10x23723x5 SHOWTIME Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes Dwayne Dunn 8 58.5kg 105
15 139x15233x HOLY SNOW Mick Price Michael Dee 5 58.5kg 87
16 0x70100331 MISS GUNPOWDER David & B Hayes & T Dabernig Jordan Childs 16 57kg 100

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« 2018-Aug-16, 08:30 AM Reply #2 »
Race 6 - 3:00PM WINX STAKES (1400 METRES)

Of $500,000.1st $287,000, 2nd $94,000, 3rd $49,500, 4th $22,250, 5th $12,250, 6th $5,000, 7th $5,000, 8th $5,000, 9th $5,000, 10th $5,000, Equine Welfare Fund $5,000, Jockey Welfare Fund $5,000. GROUP 1

Standard Weight for Age, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices cannot claim.


No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight Hcp Rating
1 2511x7389x CLASSIC UNIFORM Gary Moore Andrew Adkins 8 59kg 107
2 1611x22x04 RELIGIFY Chris Waller Jay Ford 1 59kg 107
3 16528x420x LIBRAN (IRE) Chris Waller Tommy Berry 11 59kg 105
4 111x11820x CABEZA DE VACA Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott Tim Clark 2 59kg 101
5 22x3620x40 INVICTUS PRINCE (GB) Matthew Smith Jason Collett 4 59kg 77
6 D211x29342 ORIENTAL RUNNER Garry Neale Bobby El-Issa 3 59kg 76
7 20x11130x2 KEMENTARI James Cummings Glyn Schofield 7 58.5kg 109
8 111x55462x ACE HIGH David Payne Tye Angland 10 58.5kg 106
9 11x13714x DíARGENTO Chris Waller James McDonald 9 58.5kg 104
10 11111x111x WINX Chris Waller Hugh Bowman 5 57kg 132
11 x111x0121x UNFORGOTTEN Chris Waller Kerrin McEvoy 6 56.5kg 105

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« 2018-Aug-16, 09:21 AM Reply #3 »
The current Caulfield Cup and Cox Plate favourites race on Saturday.

Kings Will Dream is unbeaten in Australia for Darren Weir and finished off last campaign with an emphatic 5 length win in the Mornington Cup

Winx nearly got beat when resuming over 1400m this time last year and I'd say this year's race is stronger than that. Having said that she looked pretty good in her last trial.

It is interesting to look at the two races tomorrow from a stable perspective and work out the races they will be set for:

Darren Weir

Black Heart Bart - plenty of rich races for him and has been inoculated for Hong Kong in December. Weir's tip for the race.
Humidor - a close 2nd to Winx in the Cox Plate last year - has also been penned in for Hong Kong
Danon Liberty - my form guide says he has had his past 11 starts over 1600m so you'd be thinking Emirates. Currently $51 for the Epsom so have snuck him into a couple of doubles.
Big Duke - last year ran 2nd in the Metrop, won the St Leger and then 4th in the Cup. Very few horses as consistent at 2400m or more. Have also put him into some small doubles at the $41/$11 on offer for the Cup.
Red Cardinal - failed in last year's Cup and not raced since.
Kings Will Dream - current Caulfield Cup favourite and on the 2nd line in the Cup

Chris Waller

Religify - Group horse who may pick up a minor black type race.
Libran - 2nd in the MV Cup last year probably his standard. Creditable 8th in the Cup.
D'Argento - conspicuous grey  who won the Rosehill Guineas before coming from near last to run 4th in the Doncaster. A chance in anything he runs in.
Winx - The fact she is racing in a Group 1 race named after her says it all.
Unforgotten - Oaks winner who took some time last campaign to get warmed up. Didn't show a lot of interest in racing if I recall correctly and a bit of a worry if she displays this trait as a mare.

Team Hayes

Boom Time - last year's Caulfield Cup winner is prominent in markets. Had a weird 2 start campaign in May with a romp home with 59 kg in an open handicap.
Harlem - Australian Cup winner who looked a little over the top by the time he got to Sydney. Some nice races for him at WFA to target.
Miss Gunpowder - Would be targeting the Myer Classic you'd think.

Godolphin

Kementari - 2nd favourite for the Everest so no doubt what race he is getting ready for. Probably a fair question is what is he doing running in a 1400m race 2 months out.
Hartnell - Interesting to note that he won the Autumn equivalent of this race first up (at a decent $6 too with my money on him). Didn't go on with it after that.

Honorable Mentions

Ace High is currently 2nd favourite for the Caulfield Cup - usually takes a few runs to peak. VRC Derby winner who was 2nd to Levendi in the Autumn Derby.

Grunt - 5 starts for 4 wins at his past 4 starts including the Australian Guineas most recently. Didn't go to Sydney so would be nice and rested.




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« 2018-Aug-16, 10:08 AM Reply #4 »
I find it interesting that racing scribes and punters believe certain horses "take a few runs to peak" like it is something peculiar to the horse itself......when in fact it can't peak until the trainer wants it to peak.......it is not the horses choice............if he wanted it to peak earlier it probably would (if the trainer is any good) not a criticism, just an observation

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« 2018-Aug-16, 11:53 AM Reply #5 »
Tell you what.
If we get more than 10 people register I'll throw in a $50 shared multi or parlay for the person who picks the most winners on the races that PP decides to highlight over the carnivals.

3,2,1 basis

thoughts?

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« 2018-Aug-16, 11:54 AM Reply #6 »
Tell you what.
If we get more than 10 people register I'll throw in a $50 shared multi or parlay for the person who picks the most winners on the races that PP decides to highlight over the carnivals.

3,2,1 basis

thoughts?

Count me in   :biggrin:

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« 2018-Aug-16, 01:09 PM Reply #7 »
And me

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« 2018-Aug-16, 02:01 PM Reply #8 »
and me

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« 2018-Aug-16, 04:47 PM Reply #9 »
I know this is off topic but why is it the 'Sir John Monash P B Lawrence Stakes'.  J J Liston was dumped a while back so why not dump P B Lawrence now or are we waiting until he dies or something. What is the fixation with Monash when he already had a race, a freeway, a university, a council and perhaps more named after him. If he was alive I suspect there would be a push to declare him emperor (not just a lowly field marshal) and dump Lord Melbourne's name and rename the Melbourne Cup. 

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« 2018-Aug-16, 05:33 PM Reply #10 »
As well as the two "bigger" races that PP7 dissects, there are a number of other black-type races thia weekend.  These feature quite a few Spring hopefuls (and others with form still to be disclosed.) 

Silver Shadow: Fiesta; Oohood; Outback Barbie/
Up and Coming: Smart Elissim.
Show County: Le Romain.
Toy Show: Luvaluva.
Vain: Rock Hard; The August.
Quizette: Sunlightl; Thrillster.

It's a very interesting time of the racing year.


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« 2018-Aug-16, 06:38 PM Reply #11 »
I know this is off topic but why is it the 'Sir John Monash P B Lawrence Stakes'.  J J Liston was dumped a while back so why not dump P B Lawrence now or are we waiting until he dies or something. What is the fixation with Monash when he already had a race, a freeway, a university, a council and perhaps more named after him. If he was alive I suspect there would be a push to declare him emperor (not just a lowly field marshal) and dump Lord Melbourne's name and rename the Melbourne Cup.

There is a large hospital named after him as well. 

Monash was undoubtedly a great man, not only in the military either, but it is a good point you make.  I think we have reached honorific overload.  He was very local to Caulfield.  He lived there, he went to school at Scotch just up the road from the racecourse and he is buried in Brighton General Cemetery, again down the road from Caulfield.  But naming two races after him within a month of one another is over the top. 

I notice that the Racing Australia website now has a History button on black type races with results back to 1999/00. 

Lately the former Liston Stakes has been named The Charge of the Light Horse PB Lawrence Stakes (2017) and the Back to Caulfield Western Front Commemoration PB Lawrence Stakes (2016).  The day has always had a military theme and traditionally hosted the Corps of Commissionaires Handicap on the undercard, but this year it seems to have been replaced by a Legacy Badge Appeal Handicap instead.  (Maybe there aren't any Commissionaires left !)

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« 2018-Aug-16, 09:12 PM Reply #12 »
in thanks WOD 

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« 2018-Aug-17, 10:15 PM Reply #13 »
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« 2018-Aug-17, 11:53 PM Reply #14 »
OK. We are kicking off.

Will start a separate thread.

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« 2018-Aug-18, 07:53 AM Reply #15 »
Hope to see a good roll up

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« 2018-Aug-18, 08:23 AM Reply #16 »
I know this is off topic but why is it the 'Sir John Monash P B Lawrence Stakes'.  J J Liston was dumped a while back so why not dump P B Lawrence now or are we waiting until he dies or something. What is the fixation with Monash when he already had a race, a freeway, a university, a council and perhaps more named after him. If he was alive I suspect there would be a push to declare him emperor (not just a lowly field marshal) and dump Lord Melbourne's name and rename the Melbourne Cup.

Think that this is the first year they have done that?  Liston (Lawrence) Stakes days honours return servicemen and the time Caulfield spent as an army base during WWII so they normally have army displays and exhibits. So not sure if this is a one off thing this is or a on going change, they might change the name every year to honour someone else I suspect.

https://mrc.racing.com/calendar/2018-08-18/pb-lawrence-stakes-day

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« 2018-Aug-18, 08:26 AM Reply #17 »
There is a large hospital named after him as well. 

Monash was undoubtedly a great man, not only in the military either, but it is a good point you make.  I think we have reached honorific overload.  He was very local to Caulfield.  He lived there, he went to school at Scotch just up the road from the racecourse and he is buried in Brighton General Cemetery, again down the road from Caulfield.  But naming two races after him within a month of one another is over the top. 

I notice that the Racing Australia website now has a History button on black type races with results back to 1999/00. 

Lately the former Liston Stakes has been named The Charge of the Light Horse PB Lawrence Stakes (2017) and the Back to Caulfield Western Front Commemoration PB Lawrence Stakes (2016).  The day has always had a military theme and traditionally hosted the Corps of Commissionaires Handicap on the undercard, but this year it seems to have been replaced by a Legacy Badge Appeal Handicap instead.  (Maybe there aren't any Commissionaires left !)

Sorry just saw this question has already been answered, and by the look of the above it looks like they are just changing the name every year to honour another person/group, so the Monash is probably for this year only.

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« 2018-Aug-18, 09:03 AM Reply #18 »
Think that this is the first year they have done that?  Liston (Lawrence) Stakes days honours return servicemen and the time Caulfield spent as an army base during WWII so they normally have army displays and exhibits. So not sure if this is a one off thing this is or a on going change, they might change the name every year to honour someone else I suspect.

https://mrc.racing.com/calendar/2018-08-18/pb-lawrence-stakes-day

That nails it Deli.  Do you know if Monash was ever a member of the club ?     

In other news I happy to report the Corps of Commissionaires still exists.  It was established in Britain in 1859 to provide employment and welfare support for veterans of the Crimean War, a war which is very much commemorated in and about Caulfield with many street names derived from the conflict (Caulfield was made a municipality in 1857).

The Corps was established in Australia in 1939 (in NSW) and in Victoria in 1946.  They are best known these days as the custodians of the Shrine of Rememberance .   

Caulfield was one of several racecourses on crown land that was used for military purposes during WW2.  Others include Randwick and Williamstown.  Williamstown never reopened after the war and the clubs fixtures (including the Liston Stakes, the Underwood Stakes and the Orr Stakes) were conducted on other Melbourne tracks before they came to settle at Caulfield before the original Melbourne Racing Club was incorporated into the VATC. The Melbourne Racing Club itself had been formed out of an amalgamation 15 years earlier of the Williamstown Racing Club, which lost its course after the war, and the Victorian Trotting and Racing Association, which raced at Ascot and Mentone (which also closed in the 1940's).

The Melbourne Racing Club had been building a new course at Sandown Park  but encountered financial difficulties. The project was able to continue through to completion following the 1963 merger with the VATC.

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« 2018-Aug-31, 02:48 PM Reply #19 »
Race 7 - 4:10PM New Zealand Bloodstock Memsie Stakes (1400 METRES)

Of $1,000,000.1st $600,000, 2nd $180,000, 3rd $90,000, 4th $45,000, 5th $25,000, 6th $20,000, 7th $20,000, 8th $20,000

Prize money contribution totalling 2% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution GROUP 1
Standard Weight for Age, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Maidens at time of entry are ineligible, Apprentices cannot claim.

Rail Position: Out 6m Entire Circuit


No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight Hcp Rating
1 1262x1213x HAPPY CLAPPER Patrick Webster Mark Zahra 7 59kg 118
2 x323529x49 BLACK HEART BART Darren Weir Brad Rawiller 4 59kg 113
3 x11257x8x1 VEGA MAGIC Hayes & Dabernig Damien Oliver 6 59kg 114
4 520x4184x8 HUMIDOR (NZ) Darren Weir Damian Lane 3 59kg 116
5 x200812436 JUNGLE EDGE Mick Bell Kevin Forrester 5 59kg 108
6 81111329x1 DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR Tony McEvoy Jamie Kah 9 59kg 102
7 31x11111x4 KINGS WILL DREAM (IRE) Darren Weir John Allen 11 59kg 102
8 0x11130x24 KEMENTARI James Cummings Glyn Schofield 8 58.5kg 109
9 3x1111x5 GRUNT (NZ) Mick Price Luke Currie 1 58.5kg 106
10 0x23723x51 SHOWTIME John Hawkes Dwayne Dunn 2 58.5kg 109
11 3x222415x5 OREGONíS DAY Mick Price Michael Dee 10 57kg 106

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« 2018-Aug-31, 05:00 PM Reply #20 »
 Think am in wrong place.
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« 2018-Sep-16, 01:41 AM Reply #21 »
Happy Clapper bled from both nostrils today so out for 3 months - trip to Melbourne has been a disaster  :sad:

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« 2018-Sep-16, 06:16 PM Reply #22 »
Send him to the USA

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« 2018-Oct-06, 11:00 PM Reply #23 »
Grunt was extremely disappointing in the Turnbull - he has a habit of this.

Trainer Mick Price was worried there might be something wrong with him changing legs. There must be some chance we have seen the last of him this year.

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« 2018-Oct-07, 11:07 AM Reply #24 »
Grunt, I feel could be another victim of that flint like surface that was put as a good 3 on Makybe Diva Stakes day.
He hasn't galloped fluently since.
That track that day has certainly claimed some victims......seems that Michelle Payne was indeed spot on.

I will never forget The Phantom who was so devastating in The Mackinnon Stakes and yet so disappointing in the Cup 3 days later.
It was always a mystery to me until I heard Jim Cassidy explain that he just jarred right up on Mackinnon day, some years later.

Rupert Legh also lost Brutal, who won on that day as well, to injury.

In a couple of weeks he has lost Chautauqua, Brutal and now Grunt.


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