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Offline Peter Mair

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O.P. « 2019-Sep-12, 07:53 PM »

2019 MELBOURNE CUP


In my mind RVL has been working for years to wreck the cup as a national focal point -- once a great race for Australasian racing hopefuls -- before the 'asian' reference was inappropriate and then not 'in spades' as none come.

The spectacle of the Melbourne racing-set pandering to its social superiors in Europe has become passe -- an embarassment.   Give it away for the sake of local pride --  pirate contenders may win but usually not the favoured ones looking for a summer holiday in their twilight years.

Commonsense demands that RVL runs the 'cup' in Europe --  humbly sending a few local contenders over -- while still broadcasting it live at Flemington and doing the usual hoopla on the Monday in Melbourne .

Can the iconic cup be saved?

Norman Harvey has been putting the slipper in with a kick unlikely to clear the top of Everest.

The saviour of the day may well be someone who does not belong at the races.

Taylor Swift to rock the Melbourne Cup

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/taylor-swift-to-rock-the-melbourne-cup-20190912


Race 7 - 3:00PM Lexus Melbourne Cup (3200 METRES)

Of $7,750,000.1st $4,400,000, 2nd $1,100,000, 3rd $550,000, 4th $350,000, 5th $230,000, 6th $160,000, 7th $160,000, 8th $160,000, 9th $160,000, 10th $160,000, 11th $160,000, 12th $160,000

Prize money contribution totalling 2% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution GROUP 1
Handicap, Minimum Weight 49kg, Apprentices cannot claim.


No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight
1 12x1x1x434 CROSS COUNTER (GB) Charlie Appleby William Buick 5 57.5kg
2 211x11x1x1 MER DE GLACE (JPN) Hisashi Shimizu Damian Lane 2 56kg
3 7250x14335 MASTER OF REALITY (IRE) Joseph O'Brien Frankie Dettori 1 55.5kg
4 2x0x1322x3 MIRAGE DANCER (GB) Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young Ben Melham 13 55.5kg
5 37x3264413 SOUTHERN FRANCE (IRE) Ciaron Maher & David Eustace Mark Zahra 14 55.5kg
6 3344465881 HUNTING HORN (IRE) Aidan O'Brien Seamie Heffernan 11 55kg
7 220x344216 LATROBE (IRE) Joseph O'Brien James McDonald 22 55kg
8 4x1x723516 MUSTAJEER (GB) Kris Lees Damien Oliver 6 55kg
9 251557x790 ROSTROPOVICH (IRE) David & B Hayes & T Dabernig Dwayne Dunn 12 55kg
10 423x2411x7 TWILIGHT PAYMENT (IRE) Joseph O'Brien Hugh Bowman 19 55kg
11 x1x34x5125 FINCHE (GB) Chris Waller Kerrin McEvoy 4 54kg
12 8x49x58321 PRINCE OF ARRAN (GB) Charlie Fellowes Michael Walker 8 54kg
13 1x6x237x4x RAYMOND TUSK (IRE) Richard Hannon Jamie Spencer 3 54kg
14 x196112x31 DOWNDRAFT (IRE) Joseph O'Brien John Allen 15 53.5kg
15 2x53220224 MAGIC WAND (IRE) Aidan O'Brien Ryan Moore 24 53.5kg
16 2x30x80709 NEUFBOSC (FR) David & B Hayes & T Dabernig Luke Nolen 23 53.5kg
17 00x048x070 SOUND (GER) Michael Moroney James Winks 10 53.5kg
18 1514132x41 SURPRISE BABY (NZ) Paul Preusker Jordan Childs 20 53.5kg
19 531x212224 CONSTANTINOPLE (IRE) David & B Hayes & T Dabernig Joao Moreira 7 52.5kg
20 322x17135 IL PARADISO (USA) Aidan O'Brien Wayne Lordan 17 52.5kg
21 x11111x467 STEEL PRINCE (IRE) Anthony Freedman Brett Prebble 16 52.5kg
22 0141x59195 THE CHOSEN ONE (NZ) Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman Tim Clark 18 52kg
23 1x36621x42 VOW AND DECLARE Danny O'Brien Craig Williams 21 52kg
24 x059x87873 YOUNGSTAR Chris Waller Tommy Berry 9 52kg
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« 2019-Sep-12, 08:27 PM Reply #1 »
Read the article and my 'excitement-meter' went through the roof . .

Only 54 days to the Melbourne Cup . .


I have only two questions . .

Who is Taylor Swift?? . . and . . What team does he play for??

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« 2019-Sep-13, 04:42 PM Reply #2 »

What runneth over -- the cup or the vocal orifice of RVL?.

Taylor Swift is going to be MASSIVE -- up to 750 million people will be watching the race  -- like Super Bowl day.

Where do you get this stuff from  -- I want some before it becomes illegal.

It just cant be true  -- even Australians are over it --  just still take the day off to get hammered.

Q. 'What do you do when you cant run racing?'

A. 'Run a pop concert so it will look like people came to the races.'



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« 2019-Sep-21, 08:19 PM Reply #3 »


Oh no -- Oh yes

US superstar Taylor Swift is a scratching from the 2019 Melbourne Cup.

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« 2019-Sep-22, 01:53 PM Reply #4 »
Well more importantly than some singer who activists may or may not have got to is the horses  :whistle:

Finche was great yesterday, 2nd up of running 4th in last years Cup

Steel Prince produced a cracking last 200m split, he's ready to win now as the distances increase & he draws better.

Rostropovich got home well 1st up last week in the Makybe Diva

Care to add anything Pete?

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« 2019-Sep-22, 05:59 PM Reply #5 »
Bringham Rocks went from 201/1 to 26/1 for the Caulfield Cup after his win yesterday. Wonder if he will go onto the big one as he may have qualified but could be low down on the entry list.

Very Elegant solid yesterday but not sure if they will aim her for the cups as lacked some zing.


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« 2019-Sep-22, 06:48 PM Reply #6 »
Forgot about Brimham Rocks Jeunes  :shy: Although he's never struck me as good enough since coming to Australia.

Laurie Sainsbury tipped him on Racenet yesterday at big odds too   emthup

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« 2019-Sep-22, 08:14 PM Reply #7 »


Care to add anything Pete?

Not especially today.

The 'cup' weights are published and that helps to get the top-weights on a loose rein but weight-penalties can be given to winners (e.g. Finche -- 54kg) of races, other than WFA events, and that is a warning sign of cup-runners not expected to win.

The more general explanation for growing community disinterest is about the pandering to imported runners likely to boost the credibility of the cups, internationally if they run well.

However that may work --  attracting second-rate foreign discards --  it 'wrecks' the cups as local events holding the attention of the national community -- the Melbourne community is apparently beyond any semblance of commonsense -- not just racing events.  It is the weather.

Why a national icon event would have been destroyed by RVL in its pandering quest for global relevance is the lingering question.

The national population -- some 25 million -- is about one-third of one-percent of the global population -- that is close to irrelevant in the normal course -- it is a worry that horse racing, mainly absolute rubbish, is so deeply ingrained in the local economy -- the politically contrived 'apparent' popularity of racing is well worth a national corruption inquiry.

That said I love racing -- fair contests among qualified runners  -- but not the inflated-field nonsense akin to a game of bagatelle [--  a game in which small balls are hit and then allowed to roll down a sloping board on which there are holes, each numbered with the score achieved if a ball goes into it, with pins acting as obstructions.]

....... the best thing to happen to Australian racing was Prince of Penzance winning a cup -- at 100/1 ---- it underlined the stupidity of money grubbing administrators wrecking a national icon to feather their corrupt nest.





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« 2019-Sep-25, 09:56 AM Reply #8 »
According to your dribbling logic Prince of Penzance shouldn't have even been in the cup!!

Perhaps you could set out the guidelines for next years cup and let the VRC know how the race should be run.

If you love fair contests only bet in Set Weights races. Handicaps are by definition unfair contests! And that's racing.

If you want to see the same horse win every week have a fair contest.

Do you really believe you are right and everyone else is wrong?

Insane?

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« 2019-Sep-28, 09:55 PM Reply #9 »


Dare to be great -- is RVL, or its minions, funding the costs of traveling these imports?


Three of Europeís leading stables dominate the second shipment of the 16 Northern Hemisphere raiders that entered quarantine overnight.

The 16 gallopers will do 14 days in pre-export quarantine facilities in Newmarket (UK) and County Tipperary (Ireland) before arriving in Melbourne on Saturday, October 12.


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« 2019-Oct-04, 08:05 AM Reply #10 »
Find it absolutely fascinating that most of the oxygen from the Racing media is about the Everest with a few stories scattered about the Cups.

I think the VRC has lost the PR battle with NSW in regards to this. Saying that the most disappointing thing about this weekend is the lack of promotion for the Sydney G1s this weekend for the Epsom, Metropolitan and Flight Stakes.

A few years ago this weekend was a big deal in Sydney. Randwick in Saturday and GF on Sunday. Last year I was at the track and it was not even half full.

Racing landscape has really changed in the last few years with the advent of the Championship, Everest etc. I will be intrigued to see how the races stack up after the Everest as I canít blame the owners / trainers to chase the money rather than G1 glory.

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« 2019-Oct-04, 10:08 PM Reply #11 »

...............Last year I was at the track and it was not even half full.

The critical question is, why you would expect 'anyone' to be on-course?

Any sensible punter would be betting from home -- knowing that it offers the best access to the best information with no impediments to betting on the other, inferior, major meeting of the day with the Mexicans.

........just why racing administrators want people on-course is a mystery ... the punters know that being on course is a disadvantage and that they will be screwed for a drink and a feed.

Do not go!

The fanciful nonsense is about to unfold as the administrators in NSW rig the deal to create the impression that 'there is a crowd on course' -- distributing free-entry to the members stand is a marketing deception. Tell us 'how many?'

Do not go to the track -- no need to,  it is a disadvantage.

...... more importantly 'not going' makes it clear that we do not trust administrators to give punters a fair deal in any respect.


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« 2019-Oct-05, 07:03 AM Reply #12 »
Pete, Racing or sport on tv is different to being there live. There is a gambling aspect to both and social too.

There is nothing better than watching the horses thunder past you with the yelling of the jockeys and punters alike.

That is what makes racing special when you are at the track at times. We try to goto at least one big meeting per year.

Winx on tv and live are two different experiences. That is Racing.


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« 2019-Oct-05, 07:23 AM Reply #13 »

........  live racing 'at the track'

I have been to the track around the world and always appreciate the experience and the differences.

The thunder of hooves and the rumble of excitement can be enjoyed at lesser meetings.

On the big days there can be a sense of the occasion but most casual patrons have nothing to gain -- could not pick Winx from a lineup without the colours....... would not know how to assess the condition of a horse in the mounting yard et al.

Punters at home these days are provided with guidance for 'pick of the yard' etc and, ahead of that, are at home for the pre-race media rather than traveling to the track --- on a day like today, with the hope of good racing in both capitals, it is best to be at home.
 

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« 2019-Oct-05, 08:05 AM Reply #14 »
Pete, I agree partially with you.

Watching the grand final is better on tv as you see more. However the atmosphere and spectacle makes up for it in a large way.

Same with racing, I prefer less crowded meetings but sometimes you want to see the really good horses.

Last year, we were in a marquee thanks to a mate who got some tickets from a company he works with. The Marquee was overpriced with some reality stars and sports people floating around. The crowd in the marquee rarely went outside to watch a race and were more intent on partying. My mates and I spent our time watching the horses live etc and we thoroughly enjoyed the racing.

The fact is carnivals like the Everest etc help fill the coffers for the dead months. As someone from ATC told us, people deride the carnivals or partying but they pay the bills. Most steadfast gamblers will baulk at paying $10 for a beer while the partygoers will spend $100 on average on food and beverage.

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« 2019-Oct-22, 04:34 PM Reply #15 »
GOLD MOUNT, QAFILA OUT OF MELBOURNE CUP
Monday 21 October, 2019
English stayer Gold Mount has been retired after suffering a suspensory injury during the Caulfield Cup.

Trained by Ian Williams, Gold Mount finished 12th, beaten just over four lengths, in Saturday's $5 million Caulfield Cup (2400m).

He had been scheduled to progress to the Melbourne Cup before the injury was confirmed.,

"It's a tough game, and setbacks are part of the sport, but Gold Mount will enjoy a peaceful retirement," Ian Williams Racing said on Twitter.

"He gave us some great times this year, and thank you for all kind messages and support."

South Australian Derby winner Qafila has also been ruled out of the Melbourne Cup with the Lindsay Park stable telling stewards on Monday the four-year-old mare would not be running in the November 5 race.

Qafila, who finished 17th in the Caulfield Cup, was 27th in the latest Melbourne Cup order of entry released on Monday.

ENDS

Bad luck about Gold Mount I thought he raced well in the Caulfield Cup to be a chance on Tuesday week.

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2019-Oct-23, 02:36 PM Reply #16 »
Burger, I was all over Gold Mount. Took a heap of doubles on Saturday

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« 2019-Oct-25, 05:46 AM Reply #17 »

Cox Plate confusion as Cups infection spreads


The cultural cringe that sees RVL pandering to the hit-and-run aspirations of 'unknown' horses, is working its magic on the Cox Plate as well as the Cups.

The presence of 'unknowns' in the big races is spoiling their appeal.

This extract from the morning press is illustrative:

Bookmakers reported mixed interest in Lys Gracieux after Tuesday's barrier draw as Australian racing officials simultaneously grapple with an animal welfare crisis and a decline in betting on some of the country's biggest races.

"It is a strange Cox Plate because every good judge wants to tell you the Japanese horse is unbeatable, but none of them want to back it," BlueBet's Michael Sullivan said.

"They are worried about the Valley for the first time, but having said that they don't want to back anything to beat her. There is no interest in it compared to what I would usually expect, so it will continue to follow the trend of the spring and be down on turnover."

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« 2019-Oct-27, 09:44 AM Reply #18 »

Cox Plate day devalued by hit-and-run raiders

......... how can RVL continue to devalue the racing gambling experience by accepting unknown entrants.

2KSKY are saying up to 12 unknowns in the M(essed) Cup on 5 November

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« 2019-Oct-27, 01:08 PM Reply #19 »
No it wasn't Peter.

What it highlighted was what most of us who really think about racing knew - we have very good sprinters still but without the 2 outstanding Australian middle distance horses of the last 10 years (Winx and So You Think) our middle distance/staying horses  continue to  have a long way to go.

Surely you don't want to go back to the days when moderates like Tawriffic and What A Nuisance won the best race in Australia.

Having said that I am baffled at how Il Paradiso can make the field purely on the basis of a 3rd in a 4 horse Group2 race.

On his form he surely has too much weight .

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« 2019-Oct-27, 01:23 PM Reply #20 »
If Mer De Glace wins Damien Lane will become the first ever jockey to win The Slipper, Caulfield Cup, Cox Plate and Melbourne Cup in the one calendar year.

You'd like to have shares in him   :lol:

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« 2019-Oct-27, 01:41 PM Reply #21 »
First there different trainers
 

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« 2019-Oct-27, 03:10 PM Reply #22 »

The racing gambling experience -- is devalued

........ it was yesterday and the week before and the week before..........

The point has nothing to do with where the better horses may be based.

........ it is about fit-and-run horses being 'unknown' to Australian punters then unable to have a sound opinion of their prospects.

The recent history of the Melbourne Cup is testament to the bookmaking confusion caused by unknown runners.

One consequence is that it is no longer a good race-betting experience -- it is now just an excuse for a day off and over-indulging.

One might also say it has gone the way of Australian culture more generally -- nothing to be pleased about.





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« 2019-Oct-28, 01:30 AM Reply #23 »
If Mer De Glace wins Damien Lane will become the first ever jockey to win The Slipper, Caulfield Cup, Cox Plate and Melbourne Cup in the one calendar year.

You'd like to have shares in him   :lol:

First there different trainers

 :what:

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« 2019-Oct-28, 08:47 AM Reply #24 »
Typo

"Three" not "there"

Just saying the Slipper, CC and Cox Plate were all for different trainers so even more notable. imo


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