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Online Peter Mair

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O.P. « 2019-Nov-05, 08:28 PM »

DISTURBING DEVELOPMENT -- 100% Murdoch-owned racenet.com.au and punters.com.au


A snippet from a news-letter:

With the 100% Murdoch-owned racenet.com.au and punters.com.au, News Corp has gone heavily into gambling and gaming (wagering) as a key profit centre in Australia.


At best I can plead guilty to saying this was on the cards  -- but this is the first confirmation.

This is a disturbing development for most punters -- a dominant combination of compliant racing-media power is likely to extend -- however implicitly -- to the administrators already institutionalizing the 'inflated fields' corruption of the business of racing gambling.

Where is the ACCC when we need competition protected?

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« 2019-Nov-06, 07:18 AM Reply #1 »
News acquired Punters three or four years ago and Racenet deal was sorted 15 months ago.

The transaction was delayed several months as the ACCC investigated to approve.


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« 2019-Nov-06, 10:36 AM Reply #2 »
So what you are saying is the ACCC was doing its job?   emthup

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« 2019-Nov-10, 02:32 PM Reply #3 »


ACCC investigation of buy-out of Racenet

Thanks to antitab for the background.

It is a little surprising that the decision on the buyout was not well publicized -- some forum commentators were clearly unaware.

Was the ACCC report published -- is it available etc.

Some implications are a bit slow unfolding -- presumably the sense of publishing Sportsman is on the line.

Can we also get a line on the ownership of 'independent' form services remaining in hard copy-- for example Bet Busters, WinningPost, BestBets, TheForm (smh)

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« 2019-Nov-10, 03:18 PM Reply #4 »
Winning Post and Best Bets are owned by RVL. Don't know about the others

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« 2019-Nov-10, 04:42 PM Reply #5 »


Thanks 'sobig'


............... both Winning Post and Best Bets are probably slated for oblivion as 'hard copy' editions ....... but, as is, probably explains why news-corpse continues to print Sportsman ahead of all three going on-line and living on or not.

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« 2019-Nov-10, 05:52 PM Reply #6 »
Not something I knew about before it happened, as Pete says why wasn't there more publicity surrounding the take over??
Not a lot of time(none) for public debate, was there?
I must say it explains all the heavy handed censorship on Racenet, where  any criticism of Racenet a*se licking the establishment gets you banned i.e. an Everest Story every day ad nauseam, there are only really a handful of horses that can run in the race but Racenet can come up with at least 365 stories in the Year leading up to it, pretty much a story a day and sometimes multiple stories on any given day, who cares about the Everest....or even the Melbourne Cup when it's still a year away??.....but the Melbourne Cup doesn't get the Everest treatment, does it?? got to be kickbacks involved for it to make any sense!........You just can't point that out to them by way of a query?? don't know about Punters.com but no doubt would be similar.....Now

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« 2019-Nov-10, 08:21 PM Reply #7 »


A first step would be a copy of the report of the ACCC investigation


I have asked for a copy.

Last week Stephen Mayne put a comment on Crikey,

With the 100% Murdoch-owned racenet.com.au and punters.com.au, News Corp has gone heavily into gambling and gaming (wagering) as a key profit centre in Australia.

This drew a comment on a racing industry forum,

News acquired Punters three or four years ago and Racenet deal was sorted 15 months ago.

The transaction was delayed several months as the ACCC investigated to approve.

My question is about having access to the report of the ACCC investigation  -- is that possible please?

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« 2019-Nov-11, 10:45 AM Reply #8 »
Not something I knew about before it happened, as Pete says why wasn't there more publicity surrounding the take over??
Not a lot of time(none) for public debate, was there?
I must say it explains all the heavy handed censorship on Racenet, where  any criticism of Racenet a*se licking the establishment gets you banned i.e. an Everest Story every day ad nauseam, there are only really a handful of horses that can run in the race but Racenet can come up with at least 365 stories in the Year leading up to it, pretty much a story a day and sometimes multiple stories on any given day, who cares about the Everest....or even the Melbourne Cup when it's still a year away??.....but the Melbourne Cup doesn't get the Everest treatment, does it?? got to be kickbacks involved for it to make any sense!........You just can't point that out to them by way of a query?? don't know about Punters.com but no doubt would be similar.....Now
Bit surprised that it took you so long to see the censorship that's been going on at Racenet, Bronze Dave. ;).......been there for years.

You certainly came under a lot of fire for your Everest views.........did you opt out or were you booted out?

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« 2019-Nov-12, 10:03 AM Reply #9 »
I was booted out, I didn't really have a view on the Everest race itself, so far they have been lucky that a Black caviar hasn't turned up, if one does they may find it hard to sell slots......to me and I am sure to 99% of punters it's just another race, as a punter if you back a $5 winner of the Everest you get the same money in your account as you do from a $5 winner of a Wyong maiden, judge the race on it's merits when the final field is announced and it has been a good race in the 3 years that it has been run so far, it was just the reporting on the Everest like that was all anyone was thinking about months or even a year out, no other race has had the coverage that the Everest gets, not even the Melbourne Cup back when the Cup really was "The race that stops a nation"
I have known about censorship on racenet from the beginning but it wasn't until they got so blatant with the Everest Coverage that it got sickening so I called them on it and was banned,
I thought "cash for comment" was illegal unless you stated that it was paid advertising, hasn't Alan Jones and John laws been burned for that multiple times? I use Racing and Sports more now......and Racing Rant where they really do "tell it like it is" and you can say what you like, even if they don't agree with you they never censor anything you have to say, I highly recommend them to any racing enthusiast and this is NOT "cash for Comment" I pay them a subscription fee($5 a week) they don't pay me............don't tell Pete though, if they find out I sent Pete to them they might ban me! Just kidding Pete........

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« 2019-Nov-20, 09:07 PM Reply #10 »


When does the  consolidation process start

The range of news-corpse interests in racing media begs the question of a sensible consolidation or a perhaps more worrying over-covering the market having a bet each-way.

A sense of paranoia is hardly ill-founded -- fears of news-corpse is about dominant monopolies and the misuse of media and corporate power.

................ intense interest in the racing industry is a worrying portent.


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« 2020-Jan-03, 01:30 PM Reply #11 »


Consolidating the news-corpse stable

............ it seems there is some 'cost cutting'  and repositioning going on that is affecting the quality of the products.

I do not see much sense in the the owner of 'the lot' continuing to publish the lot.

...... a possible shot across the bows today was the local TAB not having 'Bet Busters' available .... 'it costs too much and not in demand' .....  if Glenn Robbins sold his racing business interests to news-corpse, BB may be part of 'the lot' slated for burial.


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« 2020-Jan-03, 02:17 PM Reply #12 »
Interesting articles below. The first one seems off the tv whilst the new one gives more of a story.  Two different authors on same website. What is going on?

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/kiwi-jockey-wins-first-race-in-35-years-20200102

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/first-winner-for-30-years-like-winning-the-melbourne-cup-20200103

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« 2020-Jan-16, 09:07 PM Reply #13 »

Is Bet-Busters being withdrawn?

                            -- who owns it now -- has the price been increased?

As news-corpse consolidates its investment in 'racing media', familiar content seems to be withheld or repriced -- are TAB agencies cancelling subscriptions to Bet-Busters?

I can see no point in a monopoly position in the 'racing media' competing against itself.

To avoid attention, the rationalization will be gradual but inexorable.

... at some point news-corpse may demand that RNSW stop subsidizing 'the form' published in the SMH on Fridays .

.......... at some point the ACCC should step in to proscribe news-corpse enforcing a monopoly on media form guides.

People who know should speak up -- the risk of media interests corrupting  Australian racing need to be  recognized and addressed -- now.

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« 2020-Sep-14, 09:25 PM Reply #14 »


'NO MORE NEWS' .................. is Racenet ducking accountability


.......among other things. I like to go back over  'racenet lays' , 'big bookies tips' and 'late mail' et al.

For some reason, Racenet is now cutting off access to previous 'news posts' ......and that makes accountability difficult ............... 'big bookies' is suspect for its 'lays' ....and the 'late mail' is often prescient.

............... Racenet readers should have access to at least the past 6 days of 'news' postings.


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« 2020-Sep-14, 09:36 PM Reply #15 »

'big bookies' is suspect for its 'lays'

So you are saying Peter that the big bookies come on to Racenet and give their "lays", knowing full well that these are their best bets and that they are hoping that people will not back them and that will benefit the bookies financially?

You do know how bookmaking works with percentages and all that?

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« 2021-May-07, 09:12 PM Reply #16 »

A SLOW DEATH FOR ONE OR THE OTHER?



Today, a couple of Racenet menu favourites also got a run on Punters.com.

While one may wonder why 'limited-news' is running two overlapping services for punters (and bookmakers), it may be that Racenet is to be the 'form site' while PDC is to become the 'opinion page'

.... as any restructure is put in place ............. one might hope that the regularly-winning 'lays' nominated by the 'big bookies' would be re-mamed 'get ons'.



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« 2021-May-07, 09:32 PM Reply #17 »
Can't wait for your head to explode when Foxbet becomes the new biggest player in town.

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« 2022-Jan-11, 08:25 AM Reply #18 »
No surprise to see something like this happening but they would want a vastly improved offering to get anyone to pay for it?

In it's current form the website / form offering is horrible.  :shutup:

 

 

 

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« 2022-Jan-11, 08:45 AM Reply #19 »
Oh well, I’ll have to find a new black book which, given the errors the current one is riddled with,  is no loss   :lol:

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« 2022-Jan-11, 11:55 AM Reply #20 »
I've got no issues with Racenet's one Wily  :shrug:

I don't use Punters now other than to cross check trials on HK racing, so I wouldn't be paying for it as I find the layout and information provided terrible.

That said I'm not against subscription services and I'm surprised they chose Punters where to try it as opposed to Racenet which has far better info imho  :chin: but then maybe I'm different as it's the data I want as opposed to tips or comments which seems to be what Punters is.

I honestly doubt those running these sites realise what they have & what they could be  :bulb: Racenet has all the frame work but has been left to float with minimal maintenance, they don't act on feedback or give lip service  :shutup: not to mention the diabolical app they produced.  :dry: it just seems such a waste of a good platform.



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« 2022-Jan-11, 02:03 PM Reply #21 »
The problem I have with racenet now is the navigation

For example,in the past when I would click on “Taree R5” in the image below it would take me directly to that race

Now it takes me to “today’s racing” where I then have to click on Taree and the the race number. Sudden it’s 3 extra steps





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« 2022-Jan-11, 03:05 PM Reply #22 »
By the way, you can add Cabsav to your BB after today’s run :whistle:

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« 2022-Jan-11, 03:07 PM Reply #23 »
No doubt about Murdoch....he is consistent.
Remember Pay TV.....no adds we were told.....become as bad as commercial TV
Murdoch destroyed Super Rugby ..Didn't have a clue about the game and stated publicly that he couldn't care if no one went to the game.
Tried to get his puppets installed into power  when the Broadcasting rights were up for renewal.

Can't see what info Punters could be offering that's not available freely on Racing.com, RNSW or Hong Kong....etc
Murdoch couldn't care less about people who put money on horses.....remember that.

I'll be interested to see if this goes anywhere......but we will never ever know will we?
Surely there can't that many stupid gullible punters out there.....could there?????

What on earth is a Murdoch forum????  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:
Wonder what country he'll turn to to deal with complaints.

Was a great day in my life when he lost the rugby......I wouldn't give him 1 cent.





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« 2022-Jan-11, 03:43 PM Reply #24 »
Who can forget he Tried to destroy Rugby League as well


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