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Offline Brian Mc

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O.P. « 2019-Jan-21, 10:35 AM »
I see the nominations for this race have now closed. The race is scheduled for March 16 at Flemington. There are130 nominees; some aspiring to be champions , many, perhaps most, mired in mediocracy.
Apparently there is some sort of "peoples' choice" involved.  Can anyone fill out the details of how this is planned to work?

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« 2019-Jan-21, 01:49 PM Reply #1 »
You can vote for a horse at Allstarmile.com.au

Top voted horses get in with (I think) 4 to be decided by RVL.

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« 2019-Jan-21, 02:17 PM Reply #2 »
So if you can drum up enough support for your favourite horse, Radish, he'd get a start?

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« 2019-Jan-21, 02:47 PM Reply #3 »
Must have been nominated and I think there was a condition on minimum rating allowed.

Having said that it is quite conceivable a number of runners would not get there without a public vote.

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« 2019-Jan-21, 02:54 PM Reply #4 »
So if you can drum up enough support for your favourite horse, Radish, he'd get a start?

Currently leading the ranking is the Qld 'champ' Urban Ruler with 1391 votes  :unsu

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« 2019-Jan-21, 03:40 PM Reply #5 »
Anyone know what the expectations of the total number of votes will be?

In order to vote, you have to register an email address and then validate it. Thus people cannot submit votes like some online polls. You can create fictitious emails but it is a lot more effort though.

The big rush will be near the end of voting like an online auction.

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« 2019-Jan-21, 04:16 PM Reply #6 »
Well let's hope there is a flood of voting later because, as it is, The Autumn Sun and Grunt are the only ones in the the top 10 at the moment who warrant a start.

If the voting ended the way it is the field would be a complete joke.

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« 2019-Jan-21, 04:35 PM Reply #7 »
The concept is good but it does leave a few questions regarding the quality.

If the conditions included a minimum qualifying method based on group or listed races wins or placings, field would be good. Even metropolitan wins will help too.


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« 2019-Jan-21, 05:08 PM Reply #8 »
There are plenty of good horses nominated for the race including 1st and 2nd from last year's Epsom.

It's just that, at the moment, the better horses are not receiving the votes they deserve.

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« 2019-Jan-21, 05:14 PM Reply #9 »
There are plenty of good horses nominated for the race including 1st and 2nd from last year's Epsom.

It's just that, at the moment, the better horses are not receiving the votes they deserve.

Thatís the problem if you donít have minimum qualification. If the olympics finals was voted on the same method, the most populous countries will win.

Country horses or mass syndicated horses have a better chance to qualify than a horse like Happy Clapper etc.  if the VRC did a provincial or country championship with a similar format, it will make a great day of racing.

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« 2019-Jan-21, 05:37 PM Reply #10 »
At this stage I agree with you.

Although the system seems to work in Japan,  perhaps the idea is actually flawed in Australia with it's syndication and multiple ownership of horses.

Wasn't there some sort of problem some years ago when Victorians were allowed to vote for their horse of the year and it was won by some little known bush horse?

Maybe that happened quite a few years ago in reality - I'm not sure about the time frame.

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« 2019-Jan-21, 07:01 PM Reply #11 »
Wasn't there some sort of problem some years ago when Victorians were allowed to vote for their horse of the year and it was won by some little known bush horse?


Well that doesn't narrow it down much.

Seems to me most Victorian horses are little-known bush horses.



 

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« 2019-Jan-21, 07:04 PM Reply #12 »
I note "strange" things can happen in Japan.

In the Arima Kinen last month even though all the best were included one of the top votegetters was the champion
steeplechaser Oju Chosan.

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« 2019-Jan-21, 07:49 PM Reply #13 »
The concept reinforces the stupidity of 5he general public. Itís why Macdonalds and soccer are popular
The votes so are are a disgrace  :lol:

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« 2019-Jan-21, 08:07 PM Reply #14 »
At this stage I agree with you.

Although the system seems to work in Japan,  perhaps the idea is actually flawed in Australia with it's syndication and multiple ownership of horses.

Wasn't there some sort of problem some years ago when Victorians were allowed to vote for their horse of the year and it was won by some little known bush horse?

Maybe that happened quite a few years ago in reality - I'm not sure about the time frame.

You refer to Badger's Wood, voted Australia's Most Popular Racehorse in 2002 ahead of Northerly, Lonhro and Ethereal. 

You would reckon they would have learned from that mistake but here they are throwing $5million at the concept.

Australian racing is idiotic.  I don't like it anymore.

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« 2019-Jan-21, 08:09 PM Reply #15 »
Link below to horse profiles and current rankings.

https://allstarmile.com.au/profiles.html#/

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« 2019-Jan-22, 10:44 AM Reply #16 »
One day into the voting and very little has changed from the first day.

If they do this again next year they should have a field of 15 with only 5 being the people's choice selections.

At the moment 4 horses have to be selected from:

Happy Clapper, Le Romain, Redkirk Warrior, Hartnell ,Shoals,D'Argento,Alizee,Legends of Plenty,Te Akau Shark and the 3 Staying horses from the Williams Camp.

I suggest anyone who is reading this and intends to vote cast their vote for 1 of the above mentioned horses instead of The Autumn Sun who surely will make the field on votes.






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« 2019-Jan-22, 11:55 AM Reply #17 »


It is time for RVL to take responsibility for good administration.

This voting option is not sensible but it is hardly the worst of RVL's failures to take responsibility.

......the worst, by far, is the nonsense of allowing connections to vote for (nominate) horses to run in races that will impede other runners while hoping to run 10th.

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« 2019-Jan-22, 06:57 PM Reply #18 »
The first two horses Urban Ruler and Autumn Sun have 3800 and 2700 votes respectively.

10th on the list has 900 odd votes while some of the better performed horses are in the 20s including Hartnell and Happy Clapper etc.

RVL will be happy that currently Autumn Sun, Grunt, Amphrite and Extra Brut are in the top 10 to add some class.

A couple in the top 10 have not won for a while or will be lucky to win a standard Saturday metropolitan race over the mile.

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Jan-22, 07:59 PM Reply #19 »


The whole thing is emerging as an embarrassment to RVL


Apart from being too-quickly conceived as a retaliation to initiatives from RNSW, allowing anyone to vote to select the field invites the show of disrespect that reflects the disenchantment of most punters with RVL.

....w ill RVL call in the cavalry to 'select' the field?


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« 2019-Jan-22, 10:08 PM Reply #20 »
Currently leading the ranking is the Qld 'champ' Urban Ruler with 1391 votes  :unsu

A "slight anomaly"?

Reminds me of the voting in a Blackadder episode


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« 2019-Jan-23, 06:37 AM Reply #21 »
Brilliant.

From now on we will just have to start  calling Chris Munce Baldrick.

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« 2019-Jan-23, 06:45 AM Reply #22 »
Certainly fantastic tv

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« 2019-Jan-23, 02:10 PM Reply #23 »
You just hope that the early rush to vote by all the syndicates gets evened out by the more seasoned race fan voting on quality  :unsu

Otherwise it could be one almighty fail for RV   :lol:


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« 2019-Jan-23, 05:24 PM Reply #24 »
The trouble is greed now comes in to play - something that Racing  has always had.

People now want to vote for a horse they see as one which will be in the race in order to get their free ticket to the race.Hence horses such as Man Of His Word,Mr Money Bags et al are maintaining their position in the vote. 

The only horse who has made any real progress up the ladder is Te Akau Shark. I assume this is because of the loyalty of all the expat Kiwis living in Australia.


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