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Offline Jeunes

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« 2019-Jan-23, 05:47 PM Reply #25 »
Not putting below horses down but you can see how local support can push up a horse. Profiles are not flattering too for a vote which is surprising as RVL should be impartial.

No 7 on the list.

https://allstarmile.com.au/profiles.html#/horses/man-of-his-word

No 9 on the list

https://allstarmile.com.au/profiles.html#/horses/foundry


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« 2019-Jan-23, 06:14 PM Reply #26 »
You refer to Badger's Wood, voted Australia's Most Popular Racehorse in 2002 ahead of Northerly, Lonhro and Ethereal. 

You would reckon they would have learned from that mistake but here they are throwing $5million at the concept.

Australian racing is idiotic.  I don't like it anymore.


Badger's Wood would have crushed any of those three in a match race. 


All they needed to do was attach Acme rocket rollerskates to his hooves.


I've seen this done before. 

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« 2019-Jan-24, 12:58 PM Reply #27 »

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« 2019-Jan-25, 09:31 AM Reply #28 »
Assuming Racing Victoria don't  want this race to be treated as a joke, it is surely time for them to start acting proactively.

Tonight at Moonee Valley and tomorrow at Caulfield they must have people at the track actively advocating all patrons, who haven't voted for a horse, to vote for their choice. 

I think this weekend will be the last chance to influence the voting public so that they really do have the best field for the race. Of the class horses only Land Of Plenty has managed to work his way into the top after being out of it after the first couple of hours of voting. 

Whoever thought up the idea to pay $90 000 for places 6th through to 14th should be thinking about doing what  David Cameron did after the Brexit vote - fall on his or her sword. No wonder horses like Foundry and Man Of His Word  are maintaining their position in the top 10. I see where the owner of Man Of His Word is giving out free cheeseburgers for their vote for his horse. $90 000 (less jockey and trainer percentage) is a hell of a lot of burgers.

Unfortunately for all the Kiwi expats  Te Akau Shark came out of the field today.
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Offline Jeunes

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« 2019-Jan-27, 09:02 PM Reply #29 »
3 of the top 4 in the voting are at 100/1 to 200/1. The other one Autumn Sun is doubtful and not confirmed for the race.

Another 2 of the 10 are at 50/1 and 200/1.

Happy Clapper who is 20th has 741 votes while the 9th and 10th horse have 1670 and 1661 votes respectively.

Alizee is 14th and 1033 votes while Ringerdingding is 12th with 1379 votes.

There could be a huge spike near the end but let us see what happens. RVL will be happy if they get 6 G1 winners in the top 10 of votes giving them a chance of picking another top 4 G1 winners a chance.



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« 2019-Jan-28, 09:41 AM Reply #30 »
Having just read the Terms and Conditions of this race, I am thinking that Man Of His Word should be disqualified from the All Star Mile.

Condition No. 53 states a horse can be disqualified If a horse is subject to improper misconduct which leads to the  interfering or jeopardizing the fair and proper conduct of the competition.

Surely Bribery( in this case the cheeseburger) in any voting situation would constitute improper misconduct. 

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« 2019-Jan-28, 11:09 AM Reply #31 »
I've tried to find the breakdown of the prizemoney but the best I can do is a total of $5mil & the winner getting $2.25mil

Depending on how far down they pay there's a fair incentive for connections of the lesser lights in spruiking for votes  :chin:

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« 2019-Jan-28, 02:35 PM Reply #32 »
The prizemoney goes to last place and it is $90k.

https://www.racingvictoria.com.au/news/2018-12-11/nominations-now-open-for-the-all-star-mile

Thus for some in the race regardless if they come near the bottom it is $90k.

That is more than they will win for a normal Saturday metro race. Easiest $90k some of them will ever get from horse ownership.

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« 2019-Jan-28, 06:28 PM Reply #33 »
Thanks Jeunes   emthup

Found this in your link, 5th is $150k & 6th to 14th go home with $90k

https://cdn.racing.com/-/media/rv/files/2018/asm-comms-infographic-race-conditions-only

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Jan-28, 07:50 PM Reply #34 »

Freedom of information -- can we see the RVL file on the decision to stage this race?

The punting public, and the wider community, are surely entitled to be told who proposed what about this fiasco -- as well as the names of the RVL committee members that agreed to do so.

This is plainly an error of judgment that should ensure the Victorian government intervenes to run to ground those responsible and counsel them about external career development opportunities.

.......... and the Victorian government should ensure that the proposed 'race to the bottom' is abandoned if RV is otherwise unable to intervene to prevent a mockery being made of its responsibilities.


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« 2019-Jan-28, 09:38 PM Reply #35 »
Pete, the concept is a great idea if they actually raised the bar higher. Having minimum qualifications like a stakes win or G1 placed would increase the quality to rival some of the Sydney G1 autumn wfa races like the Ryder, All Aged etc.

Traditionally some of the Autumn wfa middle distances in Melbourne have very small fields so this is a great boost to Melbourne racing if they had a better field.




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« 2019-Jan-29, 08:48 AM Reply #36 »


Don't be smart

The idea of having qualifying conditions on the horses eligible to contest the race is beyond the current intellect in the RVL stable.

Traditionally, racing in Melbourne was the best and fairest in the world -- now it is vying with SA and QLD for the wooden spoon.

Sacred traditions protecting the quality of the racing in Melbourne have been discarded -- replaced by a dedication to inflate fields with runners content with running 10th -- such dereliction delivering the predictable rough-results that defraud the punters and fill the pockets of fixed-odds operators.

............ talk about a sad state of affairs

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« 2019-Jan-30, 08:55 PM Reply #37 »
After today’s news about Weir, it was interesting to see in the top 10, Weir has 3 runners. They are Amphrite, Extra Brut and Land of Plenty. Ringerdingding is no 12.

The betting is not suspended or betting for the Weir runners. Fun times ahead.

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« 2019-Feb-04, 04:54 PM Reply #38 »
The latest All Star Mile votes below.

I personally think the connections of a few of them will be very happy as there is $90k minimum awaiting them if their horses get a start.

The ex Weir runners also has the new trainers listed too in the profiles.

If Amphrite and Extra Brut slip down the ratings, it is going to be a midweek race with a few G1 winners thrown in.

No 11 Ringerdingding is around 2050 votes and around 150 votes behind no 10 Material Man.

14 days left for voting.

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« 2019-Feb-04, 07:29 PM Reply #39 »

............  in Victoria, a racing royal commission beckons

It is an indictable offence to stage a race for which the friends of connections could engineer a no-hoper entry entitled to $90,000 for running 14th.

This is a serious error of judgment across the range of those responsible for racing in Victoria.

Even so, it pales into insignificance in the context of major industry players in Victoria committing 'industrial suicide' by displaying blatant disregard for the 'rules of racing' that no one should need written down -- cobalt, top-ups, jiggers are indicative of a fundamental problem in an industry under fire for the mess administrators have made of metropolitan racing with inflated fields and 'expenses' paid for running 10th.

The situation across the board is disgraceful -- and the idea that political corruption is responsible is looming ever larger.


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« 2019-Feb-04, 07:31 PM Reply #40 »
Mair, when will you be answering the questions that forum members have put to you

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« 2019-Feb-04, 08:00 PM Reply #41 »
Forgot to post the links before.

Tab market below.

https://www.tab.com.au/racing/2019-03-16/R/Racing%20-%20Futures/All%20Star%20Mile%20(All%20In)?futures=true

All star mile top 10.

https://allstarmile.com.au

Of the top 10 in voting, only Autumn Sun, Grunt and Extra Brut are in the top 10.

I am not sure if a Extra Brut will run as he is 2nd in the AJC Derby betting and it is 3 weeks after the Mile but then again he missed a run on the weekend due to the Weir affair.

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Feb-04, 08:34 PM Reply #42 »


................. there are no indiscreet questions ........ only indiscreet answers

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2019-Feb-05, 11:06 AM Reply #43 »

................. there are no indiscreet questions ........ only indiscreet answers

Gutless flog, you're a disgrace  :lol:

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Feb-06, 07:54 AM Reply #44 »


............  in Victoria, a racing royal commission beckons -- strike two

Many questions behind greatest scandal in local racing history

 If ever a royal commission was warranted, it is into the racing industry.


Dyson Hore-Lacy SC is a Melbourne barrister, former Fitzroy Football Club president and the brother of trainer Rick Hore-Lacy.[/i]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/many-questions-behind-greatest-scandal-in-local-racing-history-20190205-p50vwl.html

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« 2019-Feb-06, 10:21 AM Reply #45 »
Having been very dubious of the voting in this from the start -I am now amazed at what happened over night.

When I looked at the voting a few minutes ago I  find that somehow or other Balf's Choice has  increased his votes by 1 700 over night. I find it extremely hard to believe that these are legitimate votes.

Few horses  have increased by more than a few hundred over any night so where  1700 votes for Balf's Choice came from is certainly cause for worry.

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« 2019-Feb-06, 10:42 AM Reply #46 »
This seems more and more like the Logies.


Who's TV Week supporting? :chin:

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« 2019-Feb-06, 11:00 AM Reply #47 »
The whole concept . . well the voting side of it anyway . . is flawed

If a dumbo like me can see that, it doesn't say much for those entrusted to administer Racing Victoria

Doubt that the same systems will be in place next year . .

But you never know  :confused1:

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« 2019-Feb-06, 06:14 PM Reply #48 »
Note my comments on another thread that RVL seems to be heavy with marketing people and lawyers and light on people who know about horses.

This is why you get debacles like the time it took to deal with O'Brien, Moody, etc. and the new farce, the All Star Mile voting. Obviously run by marketers who have NFI and stables taking advantage of that.

FWIW I voted for Hartnell but it looks like he has no chance of making the field unless RVL includes him. He is arguably the highest rating miler in the country behind you know who.

The marketing people are bombarding me with follow up emails, including asking me to "share" my vote. As if I'm going to let all my family and friends and professional colleagues know that I voted for Hartnell - 95% of them wouldn't have a clue what it would be about.

This is obviously being run by young marketing people.

Why don't some of the older racing people (if there are any still left at RVL) step in and take charge and end this farce.

Who the f@#$% is Balf's Choice  :what:

Offline ianb

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« 2019-Feb-06, 07:21 PM Reply #49 »
PP at least Racing Victoria have to include your selection.

I voted for D'Argento who ran 2nd to Hartnell in the Epsom.He will have to win the Orr Stakes on Saturday and his subsequent start to be any chance of making
the field.
 
And I still maintain there  is no way that Balf's Choice would be able to obtain 2000 votes, under the conditions stipulated ie one vote per person , in 24hours.


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