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Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Brian Mc on 2019-Jan-21, 10:35 AM
I see the nominations for this race have now closed. The race is scheduled for March 16 at Flemington. There are130 nominees; some aspiring to be champions , many, perhaps most, mired in mediocracy.
Apparently there is some sort of "peoples' choice" involved.  Can anyone fill out the details of how this is planned to work?
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: sobig on 2019-Jan-21, 01:49 PM
You can vote for a horse at Allstarmile.com.au

Top voted horses get in with (I think) 4 to be decided by RVL.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Jan-21, 02:17 PM
So if you can drum up enough support for your favourite horse, Radish, he'd get a start?
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: sobig on 2019-Jan-21, 02:47 PM
Must have been nominated and I think there was a condition on minimum rating allowed.

Having said that it is quite conceivable a number of runners would not get there without a public vote.
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Post by: Gintara on 2019-Jan-21, 02:54 PM
So if you can drum up enough support for your favourite horse, Radish, he'd get a start?

Currently leading the ranking is the Qld 'champ' Urban Ruler with 1391 votes  :unsu
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-21, 03:40 PM
Anyone know what the expectations of the total number of votes will be?

In order to vote, you have to register an email address and then validate it. Thus people cannot submit votes like some online polls. You can create fictitious emails but it is a lot more effort though.

The big rush will be near the end of voting like an online auction.
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Post by: ianb on 2019-Jan-21, 04:16 PM
Well let's hope there is a flood of voting later because, as it is, The Autumn Sun and Grunt are the only ones in the the top 10 at the moment who warrant a start.

If the voting ended the way it is the field would be a complete joke.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-21, 04:35 PM
The concept is good but it does leave a few questions regarding the quality.

If the conditions included a minimum qualifying method based on group or listed races wins or placings, field would be good. Even metropolitan wins will help too.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Jan-21, 05:08 PM
There are plenty of good horses nominated for the race including 1st and 2nd from last year's Epsom.

It's just that, at the moment, the better horses are not receiving the votes they deserve.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-21, 05:14 PM
There are plenty of good horses nominated for the race including 1st and 2nd from last year's Epsom.

It's just that, at the moment, the better horses are not receiving the votes they deserve.

That’s the problem if you don’t have minimum qualification. If the olympics finals was voted on the same method, the most populous countries will win.

Country horses or mass syndicated horses have a better chance to qualify than a horse like Happy Clapper etc.  if the VRC did a provincial or country championship with a similar format, it will make a great day of racing.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Jan-21, 05:37 PM
At this stage I agree with you.

Although the system seems to work in Japan,  perhaps the idea is actually flawed in Australia with it's syndication and multiple ownership of horses.

Wasn't there some sort of problem some years ago when Victorians were allowed to vote for their horse of the year and it was won by some little known bush horse?

Maybe that happened quite a few years ago in reality - I'm not sure about the time frame.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Jan-21, 07:01 PM
Wasn't there some sort of problem some years ago when Victorians were allowed to vote for their horse of the year and it was won by some little known bush horse?


Well that doesn't narrow it down much.

Seems to me most Victorian horses are little-known bush horses.



 
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: sobig on 2019-Jan-21, 07:04 PM
I note "strange" things can happen in Japan.

In the Arima Kinen last month even though all the best were included one of the top votegetters was the champion
steeplechaser Oju Chosan.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jan-21, 07:49 PM
The concept reinforces the stupidity of 5he general public. It’s why Macdonalds and soccer are popular
The votes so are are a disgrace  :lol:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: tontonan on 2019-Jan-21, 08:07 PM
At this stage I agree with you.

Although the system seems to work in Japan,  perhaps the idea is actually flawed in Australia with it's syndication and multiple ownership of horses.

Wasn't there some sort of problem some years ago when Victorians were allowed to vote for their horse of the year and it was won by some little known bush horse?

Maybe that happened quite a few years ago in reality - I'm not sure about the time frame.

You refer to Badger's Wood, voted Australia's Most Popular Racehorse in 2002 ahead of Northerly, Lonhro and Ethereal. 

You would reckon they would have learned from that mistake but here they are throwing $5million at the concept.

Australian racing is idiotic.  I don't like it anymore.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-21, 08:09 PM
Link below to horse profiles and current rankings.

https://allstarmile.com.au/profiles.html#/
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Jan-22, 10:44 AM
One day into the voting and very little has changed from the first day.

If they do this again next year they should have a field of 15 with only 5 being the people's choice selections.

At the moment 4 horses have to be selected from:

Happy Clapper, Le Romain, Redkirk Warrior, Hartnell ,Shoals,D'Argento,Alizee,Legends of Plenty,Te Akau Shark and the 3 Staying horses from the Williams Camp.

I suggest anyone who is reading this and intends to vote cast their vote for 1 of the above mentioned horses instead of The Autumn Sun who surely will make the field on votes.





Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Jan-22, 11:55 AM


It is time for RVL to take responsibility for good administration.

This voting option is not sensible but it is hardly the worst of RVL's failures to take responsibility.

......the worst, by far, is the nonsense of allowing connections to vote for (nominate) horses to run in races that will impede other runners while hoping to run 10th.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-22, 06:57 PM
The first two horses Urban Ruler and Autumn Sun have 3800 and 2700 votes respectively.

10th on the list has 900 odd votes while some of the better performed horses are in the 20s including Hartnell and Happy Clapper etc.

RVL will be happy that currently Autumn Sun, Grunt, Amphrite and Extra Brut are in the top 10 to add some class.

A couple in the top 10 have not won for a while or will be lucky to win a standard Saturday metropolitan race over the mile.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Jan-22, 07:59 PM


The whole thing is emerging as an embarrassment to RVL


Apart from being too-quickly conceived as a retaliation to initiatives from RNSW, allowing anyone to vote to select the field invites the show of disrespect that reflects the disenchantment of most punters with RVL.

....w ill RVL call in the cavalry to 'select' the field?

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Jan-22, 10:08 PM
Currently leading the ranking is the Qld 'champ' Urban Ruler with 1391 votes  :unsu

A "slight anomaly"?

Reminds me of the voting in a Blackadder episode

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Jan-23, 06:37 AM
Brilliant.

From now on we will just have to start  calling Chris Munce Baldrick.
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Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jan-23, 06:45 AM
Certainly fantastic tv
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Post by: Gintara on 2019-Jan-23, 02:10 PM
You just hope that the early rush to vote by all the syndicates gets evened out by the more seasoned race fan voting on quality  :unsu

Otherwise it could be one almighty fail for RV   :lol:

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Jan-23, 05:24 PM
The trouble is greed now comes in to play - something that Racing  has always had.

People now want to vote for a horse they see as one which will be in the race in order to get their free ticket to the race.Hence horses such as Man Of His Word,Mr Money Bags et al are maintaining their position in the vote. 

The only horse who has made any real progress up the ladder is Te Akau Shark. I assume this is because of the loyalty of all the expat Kiwis living in Australia.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-23, 05:47 PM
Not putting below horses down but you can see how local support can push up a horse. Profiles are not flattering too for a vote which is surprising as RVL should be impartial.

No 7 on the list.

https://allstarmile.com.au/profiles.html#/horses/man-of-his-word

No 9 on the list

https://allstarmile.com.au/profiles.html#/horses/foundry

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: firezuki on 2019-Jan-23, 06:14 PM
You refer to Badger's Wood, voted Australia's Most Popular Racehorse in 2002 ahead of Northerly, Lonhro and Ethereal. 

You would reckon they would have learned from that mistake but here they are throwing $5million at the concept.

Australian racing is idiotic.  I don't like it anymore.


Badger's Wood would have crushed any of those three in a match race. 


All they needed to do was attach Acme rocket rollerskates to his hooves.


I've seen this done before. 
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: tontonan on 2019-Jan-24, 12:58 PM
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Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Jan-25, 09:31 AM
Assuming Racing Victoria don't  want this race to be treated as a joke, it is surely time for them to start acting proactively.

Tonight at Moonee Valley and tomorrow at Caulfield they must have people at the track actively advocating all patrons, who haven't voted for a horse, to vote for their choice. 

I think this weekend will be the last chance to influence the voting public so that they really do have the best field for the race. Of the class horses only Land Of Plenty has managed to work his way into the top after being out of it after the first couple of hours of voting. 

Whoever thought up the idea to pay $90 000 for places 6th through to 14th should be thinking about doing what  David Cameron did after the Brexit vote - fall on his or her sword. No wonder horses like Foundry and Man Of His Word  are maintaining their position in the top 10. I see where the owner of Man Of His Word is giving out free cheeseburgers for their vote for his horse. $90 000 (less jockey and trainer percentage) is a hell of a lot of burgers.

Unfortunately for all the Kiwi expats  Te Akau Shark came out of the field today.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-27, 09:02 PM
3 of the top 4 in the voting are at 100/1 to 200/1. The other one Autumn Sun is doubtful and not confirmed for the race.

Another 2 of the 10 are at 50/1 and 200/1.

Happy Clapper who is 20th has 741 votes while the 9th and 10th horse have 1670 and 1661 votes respectively.

Alizee is 14th and 1033 votes while Ringerdingding is 12th with 1379 votes.

There could be a huge spike near the end but let us see what happens. RVL will be happy if they get 6 G1 winners in the top 10 of votes giving them a chance of picking another top 4 G1 winners a chance.


Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Jan-28, 09:41 AM
Having just read the Terms and Conditions of this race, I am thinking that Man Of His Word should be disqualified from the All Star Mile.

Condition No. 53 states a horse can be disqualified If a horse is subject to improper misconduct which leads to the  interfering or jeopardizing the fair and proper conduct of the competition.

Surely Bribery( in this case the cheeseburger) in any voting situation would constitute improper misconduct. 
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Jan-28, 11:09 AM
I've tried to find the breakdown of the prizemoney but the best I can do is a total of $5mil & the winner getting $2.25mil

Depending on how far down they pay there's a fair incentive for connections of the lesser lights in spruiking for votes  :chin:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-28, 02:35 PM
The prizemoney goes to last place and it is $90k.

https://www.racingvictoria.com.au/news/2018-12-11/nominations-now-open-for-the-all-star-mile

Thus for some in the race regardless if they come near the bottom it is $90k.

That is more than they will win for a normal Saturday metro race. Easiest $90k some of them will ever get from horse ownership.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Jan-28, 06:28 PM
Thanks Jeunes   emthup

Found this in your link, 5th is $150k & 6th to 14th go home with $90k

https://cdn.racing.com/-/media/rv/files/2018/asm-comms-infographic-race-conditions-only
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Jan-28, 07:50 PM

Freedom of information -- can we see the RVL file on the decision to stage this race?

The punting public, and the wider community, are surely entitled to be told who proposed what about this fiasco -- as well as the names of the RVL committee members that agreed to do so.

This is plainly an error of judgment that should ensure the Victorian government intervenes to run to ground those responsible and counsel them about external career development opportunities.

.......... and the Victorian government should ensure that the proposed 'race to the bottom' is abandoned if RV is otherwise unable to intervene to prevent a mockery being made of its responsibilities.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-28, 09:38 PM
Pete, the concept is a great idea if they actually raised the bar higher. Having minimum qualifications like a stakes win or G1 placed would increase the quality to rival some of the Sydney G1 autumn wfa races like the Ryder, All Aged etc.

Traditionally some of the Autumn wfa middle distances in Melbourne have very small fields so this is a great boost to Melbourne racing if they had a better field.



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Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Jan-29, 08:48 AM


Don't be smart

The idea of having qualifying conditions on the horses eligible to contest the race is beyond the current intellect in the RVL stable.

Traditionally, racing in Melbourne was the best and fairest in the world -- now it is vying with SA and QLD for the wooden spoon.

Sacred traditions protecting the quality of the racing in Melbourne have been discarded -- replaced by a dedication to inflate fields with runners content with running 10th -- such dereliction delivering the predictable rough-results that defraud the punters and fill the pockets of fixed-odds operators.

............ talk about a sad state of affairs
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jan-30, 08:55 PM
After today’s news about Weir, it was interesting to see in the top 10, Weir has 3 runners. They are Amphrite, Extra Brut and Land of Plenty. Ringerdingding is no 12.

The betting is not suspended or betting for the Weir runners. Fun times ahead.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-04, 04:54 PM
The latest All Star Mile votes below.

I personally think the connections of a few of them will be very happy as there is $90k minimum awaiting them if their horses get a start.

The ex Weir runners also has the new trainers listed too in the profiles.

If Amphrite and Extra Brut slip down the ratings, it is going to be a midweek race with a few G1 winners thrown in.

No 11 Ringerdingding is around 2050 votes and around 150 votes behind no 10 Material Man.

14 days left for voting.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-04, 07:29 PM

............  in Victoria, a racing royal commission beckons

It is an indictable offence to stage a race for which the friends of connections could engineer a no-hoper entry entitled to $90,000 for running 14th.

This is a serious error of judgment across the range of those responsible for racing in Victoria.

Even so, it pales into insignificance in the context of major industry players in Victoria committing 'industrial suicide' by displaying blatant disregard for the 'rules of racing' that no one should need written down -- cobalt, top-ups, jiggers are indicative of a fundamental problem in an industry under fire for the mess administrators have made of metropolitan racing with inflated fields and 'expenses' paid for running 10th.

The situation across the board is disgraceful -- and the idea that political corruption is responsible is looming ever larger.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-04, 07:31 PM
Mair, when will you be answering the questions that forum members have put to you
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-04, 08:00 PM
Forgot to post the links before.

Tab market below.

https://www.tab.com.au/racing/2019-03-16/R/Racing%20-%20Futures/All%20Star%20Mile%20(All%20In)?futures=true

All star mile top 10.

https://allstarmile.com.au

Of the top 10 in voting, only Autumn Sun, Grunt and Extra Brut are in the top 10.

I am not sure if a Extra Brut will run as he is 2nd in the AJC Derby betting and it is 3 weeks after the Mile but then again he missed a run on the weekend due to the Weir affair.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-04, 08:34 PM


................. there are no indiscreet questions ........ only indiscreet answers
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Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-05, 11:06 AM

................. there are no indiscreet questions ........ only indiscreet answers

Gutless flog, you're a disgrace  :lol:
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Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-06, 07:54 AM


............  in Victoria, a racing royal commission beckons -- strike two

Many questions behind greatest scandal in local racing history

 If ever a royal commission was warranted, it is into the racing industry.


Dyson Hore-Lacy SC is a Melbourne barrister, former Fitzroy Football Club president and the brother of trainer Rick Hore-Lacy.[/i]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/many-questions-behind-greatest-scandal-in-local-racing-history-20190205-p50vwl.html
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Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-06, 10:21 AM
Having been very dubious of the voting in this from the start -I am now amazed at what happened over night.

When I looked at the voting a few minutes ago I  find that somehow or other Balf's Choice has  increased his votes by 1 700 over night. I find it extremely hard to believe that these are legitimate votes.

Few horses  have increased by more than a few hundred over any night so where  1700 votes for Balf's Choice came from is certainly cause for worry.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Feb-06, 10:42 AM
This seems more and more like the Logies.


Who's TV Week supporting? :chin:
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Post by: arthur on 2019-Feb-06, 11:00 AM
The whole concept . . well the voting side of it anyway . . is flawed

If a dumbo like me can see that, it doesn't say much for those entrusted to administer Racing Victoria

Doubt that the same systems will be in place next year . .

But you never know  :confused1:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-06, 06:14 PM
Note my comments on another thread that RVL seems to be heavy with marketing people and lawyers and light on people who know about horses.

This is why you get debacles like the time it took to deal with O'Brien, Moody, etc. and the new farce, the All Star Mile voting. Obviously run by marketers who have NFI and stables taking advantage of that.

FWIW I voted for Hartnell but it looks like he has no chance of making the field unless RVL includes him. He is arguably the highest rating miler in the country behind you know who.

The marketing people are bombarding me with follow up emails, including asking me to "share" my vote. As if I'm going to let all my family and friends and professional colleagues know that I voted for Hartnell - 95% of them wouldn't have a clue what it would be about.

This is obviously being run by young marketing people.

Why don't some of the older racing people (if there are any still left at RVL) step in and take charge and end this farce.

Who the f@#$% is Balf's Choice  :what:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-06, 07:21 PM
PP at least Racing Victoria have to include your selection.

I voted for D'Argento who ran 2nd to Hartnell in the Epsom.He will have to win the Orr Stakes on Saturday and his subsequent start to be any chance of making
the field.
 
And I still maintain there  is no way that Balf's Choice would be able to obtain 2000 votes, under the conditions stipulated ie one vote per person , in 24hours.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-06, 09:06 PM


RVL is short on brains ...........and long on hope as a strategy.

............... when will someone ring the bell!
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Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-06, 11:37 PM
PP at least Racing Victoria have to include your selection.

I voted for D'Argento who ran 2nd to Hartnell in the Epsom.He will have to win the Orr Stakes on Saturday and his subsequent start to be any chance of making
the field.
 
And I still maintain there  is no way that Balf's Choice would be able to obtain 2000 votes, under the conditions stipulated ie one vote per person , in 24hours.

I have not checked the specific nature of the rules but does the voting go on email address or people’s name as there is a big difference as a link gets sent to you when you vote?

I voted for Happy Clapper but I doubt if he will get a run being a mature horse that wont have any lead up runs in Melbourne.

The voting is what people would have predicted I,e that people will vote for their horse and so will their friends.

I think the RVL will nominate Alizee, Land of Plenty,Ringerdingding and a smokie in Rekindling. Those are my tips.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-07, 09:20 AM
Even though it talks about entrants I would suggest Terms 4,5,6,&7 taken together would mean that  an individual person is only allowed to vote once.

The race, as it looks like shaping up at this stage, has lost all credibility so surely RV have to put  the best 4 1600m  horses into the race.

If  Rekindling was to go into the race then it surely would be seen as Rv kowtowing to LLoyd Williams.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-07, 11:56 AM
If I was the RVL, I would still invite Rekindling as he is a MC winner who has not raced  for more than a year. Thus there will be a lot more interest from the non racing public in a MC winner than Happy Clapper. I would prefer as a racing enthusiast for Happy Clapper to run but it comes down to publicity and appeal for the general public.

More people turned up for Bolt’s a league trial than some matches. Novelty wins the external fans on most occasions.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-07, 03:54 PM

I think the RVL will nominate Alizee, Land of Plenty,Ringerdingding and a smokie in Rekindling. Those are my tips.

Surely Hartnell would have to be one of the first choices  :what:

Le Romain is another one who doesn't appear to be in the top 10 but as a winner of the Cantala Stks and 2nd last Spring in the same race behind Best Of Days (is he nommed?).

The current top 10 a

1 Urban Ruler 7257
2 The Autumn Sun 6709
3 Grunt 3978
4 Moss 'n' Dale 3422
5 Man of His Word 3238
6 Mr Money Bags 3187
7 Balf's Choice 3086
8 Amphitrite 2899
9 Extra Brut 2891
10 Material Man 2810

The horses that ran the trifecta in the Cantala are all missing from the top 10 - Best Of Days (Goolphin/Cummings), Le Romain (Lees) and Peaceful State (Hayes).

The Epsom placegetters (Hartnell, D'Argento and Unforgotten) are not in the top 10.

The Toorak placegetters aren't there (Land Of Plenty, Hartnell and Siege Of Quebec).

The Doncaster placegetters are not in the top 10 either (Happy Clapper, Comin' Through and Arbeitsam).

Grunt beat Kings Will Dream and Jon Snow in the Makybe Diva - Grunt is third place. KOD is injured?? Jon Snow not there.

None of the placegetters from the Turnbull, George Main, Underwood, Caulfield Stks, Myer Classic or Australian Cup. The exciting Alizee is not a contender.


Of the horses in the top 10.....

Extra Brut was 3rd in the McKinnon - he is in ninth but the two horses that beat him, Trap For Fools and Latrobe are not in the top 10.

The #1 horse Urban Ruler last won in October 2017 in the Dual Choice Plate at Geelong. He was beaten in a Class 6 race at the Sunshine Coast two starts back.

There was a press release a month or two ago saying the The Autumn Sun will race in the traditional 3yo path in Sydney - Hobartville, Randwick Guineas - so the #2 choice and probably the best of the top 10 may not run in it. I reckon they might change their mind.

Grunt is a genuine contender given his love of the Flemington mile.

Moss 'n' Dale won the $500k Craven Plate at Randwick last start on a Heavy 9 and the listed Tokyo City in Adelaide the start before so probably has some claims.

Man Of His Word is a 6yo gelding trained at Tuerong who won a listed mile race in Brisbane in 2016 - hasn't won a race since.

Balf's Choice won a BM90 race 3 starts back in Adelaide.

Amphritite is the current 1000 Guineas champion.

Extra Brut looked to be an exciting prospect but given the events in recent days you have to wonder. His failure in the Norman Robinson in between convincing wins attracted a few comments at the time.

Material Man is a Group winner in WA.

Given the conditions RVL is going to be struggling to get a credible field together. Unless there are massive changes in the voting patterns they will have to choose 4 horses from some very high calibre candidates.

At this stage and as things stand I'd go for Alizee, Hartnell, Unforgotten and Le Romain. And that is leaving out some pretty handy horses.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-07, 04:38 PM
Best of Days will win 2 in a row and get an invite.
Resumes on Saturday  :thumbsup:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-07, 05:55 PM
PP, you have some good picks in your four but there will be politics at play.

Hartnell is one of my favourites but Australian Guineas will have an impact as will the next few weeks.

I do like Hartnell, Le Romain, Happy Clapper and D’Argento as they are good solid horses.

If Ringerdingding goes well in the Guineas, he will be a huge chance as a 3yo while Land of Plenty will be in if he goes well over his next two starts.

The unknown is the Weir factor ie will they pick any ex Weir runners and I am including Amphrite and Extra Brut in the list if they drop out of the top 10.

Speaking of top 10, I envisage an eBay like Auction for the final day of voting where everyone waits for the last few minutes to ramp up the numbers.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-09, 05:33 PM
The voting will be interesting after today’s racing.

There were some good runs today from outside the top 10. Next week is the Apollo Stakes and we will see a few Sydney horses stepping out.

Only a few hundred votes seperate 4-11 and with $90k minimum for the top 10, it is a big pay day for some.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-11, 09:19 AM
I've got a perfect solution to saving this race. Instead of selecting the first 10 in the votes select the horses situated in positions 8- 17.

This would then eliminate the five horses who are in the top 10 and are clearly not up to the class.

This would then give you:

Material Man, Amphitrie, Balf's Choice,Extra Brut,Alizee, Land of Plenty,Ringerdingding,Mystic Journey,Penny to Sell and Happy Clapper.

That only leaves 2 horses who are clearly not up to the standard. The next step is to eliminate Balf's Choice as it cannot have obtained those 2 000 votes legitimately over a 24 hour period last week .  Tom Melbourne who is 18th can take his place.

All RV have to do then is select The Autumn Sun and Grunt and 2 out of Hartnell, Le Romain and Redkirk Warrior.

The race has still got the feel good story of Penny to Sell who would clearly run last unless one of the other 13 runners injured itself.


Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-11, 10:05 AM
That should have been positions 8-17 not 7 - 14. I better amend the above.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-11, 06:53 PM
The race to number 1 has got more interesting with long time leader Urban Ruler being overtaken by Autumn Sun. This will please the RVL even though Autumn Sun is doubtful. I think stud value more than prizemoney will be more important to the owners.

Less than 7 days left and I think position 10 will have at least 5000 votes.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-12, 07:04 PM

'OCRACY" -- DEM or MOCK


Urban Ruler's prominence in voting has come about thanks to a reported 800 people in his ownership group, which races under the Hancox Racing No 7 Ltd syndicate.

He's not the only syndicated horse with a supposed lesser standing that has catapulted himself into voting prominence - Man Of His Word and Mr Money Bags are two others that loom large for a spot in the race for which there is a guaranteed $90,000 to connections for running last.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-13, 02:39 AM
As at 12th February

Pos Horse Votes
1 The Autumn Sun 8370
2 Urban Ruler 8057
3 Grunt 5330
4 Moss 'n' Dale 4037
5 Man of His Word 3969
6 Foundry 3913
7 Alizee 3864
8 Mr Money Bags 3849
9 Material Man 3807
10 Amphitrite 3730

Ladbrokes Market

Alizee 4.40
Land Of Plenty 6.00
The Autumn Sun 7.50
Mystic Journey 8.00
Grunt 10.00
Happy Clapper 11.00
Extra Brut 15.00
Ringerdingding 15.00
Amphitrite 17.00
D'Argento 17.00
Hartnell 17.00
Brutal 21.00
Homesman 21.00
Le Romain 21.00
Material Man 21.00
Shoals 21.00
Tom Melbourne 21.00
Best Of Days 26.00
Manuel 26.00
Melody Belle 26.00
Moss 'N' Dale 26.00
Shillelagh 26.00
Unforgotten 26.00
Brave Smash 31.00
Fifty Stars 31.00
Madison County 31.00
I Am A Star 41.00
Johannes Vermeer 41.00
Oohood 41.00
Oregon's Day 41.00
Rekindling 41.00
Trap For Fools 41.00
Verry Elleegant 41.00
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-13, 08:43 AM

Fixing this unfolding farce


.............. Does RVL have any room to move...........or does if have to hold tight and 'honour' a bad mistake?
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-13, 08:57 AM
Doesn’t need fixing this year
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-13, 11:52 AM
Elliott flags All-Star Mile rating change

Victoria Racing Club Chairman Amanda Elliott thinks a change to the minimum rating requirement for The All-Star Mile is necessary moving forward with the world's richest mile race.

More than 100,000 votes have already been cast towards the $5 million race in its inaugural year, rocketing the 110-rated The Autumn Sun to first spot.

But concerns have been raised regarding the quality of the field, with the 77-rated Urban Ruler currently in second position.

Speaking on RSN927's Racing Pulse on Wednesday morning, Elliott agreed that there's been an uneasiness surrounding the minimum rating requirement of 70 to get into the March 16 race.

"I think that it would be fair to say that the rating of 70 has probably shone a light on what could be a problem," Elliott said.

"You know it's the first year, it's a very interesting concept, it's a popular concept and we need to tweak it probably and I think that will be done hopefully, probably in a horse rating sense and probably should be.

https://www.racing.com/news/2019-02-13/news-elliott-flags-all-star-mile-rating-change
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-13, 06:06 PM

A no-star stuff-up

The 'wily one' saying

Doesn’t need fixing this year

..................................reveals role as unthinking administrator's pal

Victoria Racing Club Chairman Amanda Elliott admits:

"I think that it would be fair to say that the rating of 70 has probably shone a light on what could be a problem,"

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-13, 06:19 PM
There are clearly more problems with this race  than simply upping the ratings.

Take the ex Lloyd Williams' horse Foundry for instance - he has a rating of 101, which he earned mainly by running in staying races. He hasn't raced for more than a year but is currently in 9th place.

There is no way he can be competitive in this race but because of his multitude of new owners he may yet get a start and simply by running will earn $90 000.

Another problem is the bribery - sorry marketing which has Man of His Word in 6th place. No one should be allowed to offer any financial inducement to get horses into the race.

And then I come back to Balf's Choice - now thank goodness in 12th place. Has anyone explained how he achieved 2 000 votes in 24 hours last week?
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-13, 06:38 PM
There are apt criticism of the voting process especially with the lower end of the spectrum and $90k for running last.

But at least we are talking about a 1600m WFA race that if run as a normal nomination race would not garner much attention. Like the Everest, there are positives and negatives for it.

If we reduced the number of G1 races around the country and improved cohesion around Australian racing, we could have a grand circuit of races for different ages and sexes. Then again Santa Claus could be real too.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Feb-13, 08:08 PM
Dear everyone

Remember me?

I wish we had this field selection process back in my day.

Regards

Cole Diesel
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: gunbower on 2019-Feb-13, 08:31 PM
JWH, Correct me if I am wrong , but didn't the horse you referred to win the Toorak and then the Caulfield Cup in successive starts before the "boxheads " who run MVRC declare he was not good enough to run in their Cox Plate. Nothing much has changed with Racing Administration. Still run by cretins.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-13, 09:02 PM
Cole Diesel was a good horse. CC win below.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=anO58BUSNxE

1989 Cox plate but you got to watch it for a bit. Good race.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEJcw9Q5yOI
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: gunbower on 2019-Feb-13, 09:23 PM
Jeunes, with all due respect I think he was a bit better than a "good horse ". Your standards are a bit different to mine.  A "good horse " is one that can win 4 or 5 Saturday metro races. Toorak and Caulfield Cup winners go into a different barn.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-13, 09:56 PM
Gun, you are right. I forgot the very. His wins were damn good.

It was a different era back then due to the lack of poker machine type racing like we have now. We could savour the races and relive some of the runs.

I maybe guilty of nostalgia but these days a group 1 race is usually followed within minutes by a race at a minor meeting.

Flip side is Sky Thoroughbred or Racing com channel do give good coverage.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: gunbower on 2019-Feb-13, 10:10 PM
How true Jeunes. I don't mind poker machine type racing . As a punter I view every race as an opportunity. Hopefully if we can both find another 20 years we can look back at the current racing with similar nostalgia. Here's hoping !
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-13, 11:06 PM
How true Jeunes. I don't mind poker machine type racing . As a punter I view every race as an opportunity. Hopefully if we can both find another 20 years we can look back at the current racing with similar nostalgia. Here's hoping !

   emthup
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-14, 11:27 AM
https://www.racing.com/news/2019-02-14/news-all-star-audit-reveals-illegal-voting

Some of those in the top ten couldn't keep up with group winners yet they're likely to be in Urban Ruler last at Doomben at its last run and the others out.... Autumn Sun the top rater is unlikely if that's the case why submit him in the first place  just a wasted vote. :thumbsd:

Giddy Up :beer:

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-14, 12:27 PM
https://www.racing.com/news/2019-02-14/news-all-star-audit-reveals-illegal-voting

Some of those in the top ten couldn't keep up with group winners yet they're likely to be in Urban Ruler last at Doomben at its last run and the others out.... Autumn Sun the top rater is unlikely if that's the case why submit him in the first place  just a wasted vote. :thumbsd:

Giddy Up :beer:

Well it gets interesting from a punting perspective doesn't it.

Amphitrite has dropped out of the top 10 but is effectively in the top 10 if you accept that The Autumn Sun won't run.

11 - Amphitrite (David, Ben Hayes & Tom Dabernig) 3971
12 - Balf's Choice (Ryan Balfour) 3542
13 - Land of Plenty (Ciaron Maher & David Eustace) 3284
14 - Tom Melbourne (Chris Waller) 3036
15 - Mystic Journey (Adam Trinder) 2862
16 - Ringerdingding (Chris Waller) 2720
17 - Happy Clapper (Patrick Webster) 2135
18 - Penny to Sell (Mick Sell) 1817
19 - Hellova Street (Scott Brunton) 1402
20 - Hartnell (James Cummings) 1275

I would be confident that Hartnell would get a nod from the VRC. Taken $20 which I think is overs considering his first up run in the Expressway.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-14, 04:06 PM
There are clearly more problems with this race  than simply upping the ratings.

Take the ex Lloyd Williams' horse Foundry for instance - he has a rating of 101, which he earned mainly by running in staying races. He hasn't raced for more than a year but is currently in 9th place.

There is no way he can be competitive in this race but because of his multitude of new owners he may yet get a start and simply by running will earn $90 000.

Another problem is the bribery - sorry marketing which has Man of His Word in 6th place. No one should be allowed to offer any financial inducement to get horses into the race.

And then I come back to Balf's Choice - now thank goodness in 12th place. Has anyone explained how he achieved 2 000 votes in 24 hours last week?

Well here's another problem with the race. Greg Carpenter says they have identified 2 500 invalid votes but it does not compromise the first 20 horses. Surely he must realise that if those votes were on the any of the first 10 horses at least another 5 000 votes were made on those horses.

Why? Because countless people are voting for horses in the top 10 so they can have a free trip to Melbourne.

I know it is too late now but surely those 2500 votes should be removed now - not after voting has closed.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-14, 04:21 PM
Ianb, I think they are going to review the isp addresses from all votes and all multiple votes will be eliminated

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-14, 04:43 PM
Wily, I have no doubt they are going to do that. However Glen Carpenter has been quoted as saying he will wait until the voting has closed before removing the multiple votes.

Horses in the top 10 or 15 are continuing to gain legitimate votes from people wanting to vote for a horse who is actually a chance of making the top 10.

If the illegal votes were removed now, people might be more inclined to vote for those better horses who are around positions 15 to 25.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-14, 06:12 PM

This shambles is not a 'GLITCH'

                                                              ...... and RVL did not wake up until a punter rang the media.

Racing Victoria is conducting an audit of the All-Star Mile voting process after it was revealed there was a glitch that has allowed individuals to vote multiple times.

RV has now reportedly removed the loophole which was exposed after a punter contacted Melbourne radio station RSN and said he had been able to vote multiple times under different email addresses.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-14, 07:30 PM
Thanks 4 the input harry hindsight   :lol:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-14, 07:39 PM

Will a 'blackout' pull the shades on a surprise recasting of the field?

RVL should just give a couple of rorters $90,000 to go away to rescue some semblance of a credible race.

RVL goes from bad to worse in the problem-management skills department -- we now need UN observers to monitor developments behind the blackout screen.

Voting for the All-Star Mile will close on Monday with a leaderboard blackout to take place over the weekend, commencing at midday on Friday.

Carpenter said the implementation of the blackout had always been the plan in order to build suspense before the announcement of the top 10 next week.

Urban Ruler, who sits second on the leaderboard, has been the subject of much discussion with the Munce-trained galloper holding a handicap rating of just 77.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-14, 08:13 PM
Ianb, I think they are going to review the isp addresses from all votes and all multiple votes will be eliminated

That could be interesting because some people could argue that mates could use the same computer at a friends place etc to vote when visiting them.

It will be a lot more accurate if they delayed the verification email by a hour or more. This means more chance of genuine votes as the ones trying to vote a lot in a day with fake emails etc would have to write passwords and logins etc to check and more cumbersome.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-14, 08:47 PM


Forget the delving into complexities,

.............. can we just agree that RVL made a big mess of what was intended to be a big race?

Next -- can we be told that someone at RVL was made accountable for the stuff-up and that, next year, the excitement of scoring a point against RNSW will be subordinated to proper administration.

When will the bell ring on an RVL admin out of its depth?
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-15, 06:54 AM
 I don't know what has  happened to me over night but  I actually agree with your last posting Peter.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-17, 01:21 PM
I voted for The Autumn Sun which isn't a runner apparently but I still get reminders to vote maybe the organisers feel sorry for me ....but I haven't bothered to test the exclusion system  and looking at the list nothing appeals very strongly maybe Happy Clapper although the poorly spellled Verry Elleegant would be a big chance after it showed up yesterday with a flashing second.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: arthur on 2019-Feb-18, 10:36 AM
Might yet not be too late for "Her Winxness" by today's press

Would upset a few  :whistle:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-18, 01:18 PM
Well let's hope she does get into the race.

It is the only way this year's race can be saved and it could also save the jobs of some people working for RV.

Somehow I doubt this will happen though. It would be the only time, other than the 2016 Doncaster, where Winx was  given a real challenge in the 30 run series.

Let's make it clear here though, I class her as the best horse that has run in Australia in my 54 years of following racing. It's just they haven't bothered to take  any risks with her ie she hasn't raced out of her optimum distance range (1400 to 2200) or been  tried  over seas.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Feb-18, 01:45 PM
Let's make it clear here though, I class her as the best horse that has run in Australia in my 54 years of following racing. It's just they haven't bothered to take  any risks with her ie she hasn't raced out of her optimum distance range (1400 to 2200) or been  tried  over seas.

Which has been the world's best horse over the past 10-20 years or so?

Frankel,, maybe?

Ove what distances did he run and how far was he travelled to compete?
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-18, 01:59 PM
I was thinking more of a comparison with  Australian horses like Black Caviar and So You Think who both went overseas and won.

The other horse that I had in mind was Kingston Town who would  win first up over 1200m but also ran ran 2nd in a  Melbourne Cup.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: fours on 2019-Feb-18, 02:19 PM
Hmmm,

I like a barely known WA horse that ran second in a Group 2 at 11 years of age....

Different criteria to most for sure.

Fours
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-18, 03:34 PM
I was thinking more of a comparison with  Australian horses like Black Caviar and So You Think who both went overseas and won.

The other horse that I had in mind was Kingston Town who would  win first up over 1200m but also ran ran 2nd in a  Melbourne Cup.

What distances did Black Caviar run over  :/

The reason we are still seeing Winx (and the reason we got to see so much of Black Caviar) is that they were looked after - which is the norm for the very best these days.

The days of horses running in the Caulfied Cup, Cox Plate, Cup then QE2 (like Gunsynd did in 1972) are long gone.

Put it this way. If Geoff Murphy trained Winx I'd doubt she would have raced much past being a 5YO.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-18, 04:11 PM
My point was that the first 2 went overseas and Kingston Town didn't but was able to win from 1200 to 3200.

Winx did neither.

I am sure the connections of Winx have learnt from what Black Caviar did. I also think that Peter Moody saw what he did with Typhoon Tracey and thought I can do better with Black Caviar by not taking risks.

It is probably more to do with the fact that almost every horse in Australia has Northern Dancer in their breeding now and therefore the breed is not as hardy as it used to be.  And don't forget steroids were rife in the 60s and 70s.

So You Think is only 7 or so years ago and he ran in the  Melbourne Cup after winning his second Cox Plate. No doubt if he had remained with Bart he would have had a seasoned Autumn campaign as well.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-18, 04:51 PM
I agree with you ianb
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Feb-18, 05:06 PM
Okay,  Black Caviar ran once overseas but she was held to distances she was proven at.

Winx has been criticised that" she avoided her main competition"but just like Kingston Town her campaign was mapped and the supposed" top opponents" had their campaigns mapped to avoid her not the reverse.




Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-18, 06:34 PM
Okay,  Black Caviar ran once overseas but she was held to distances she was proven at.

Winx has been criticised that" she avoided her main competition"but just like Kingston Town her campaign was mapped and the supposed" top opponents" had their campaigns mapped to avoid her not the reverse.

I don’t think Winx has avoided any of her main competition.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ratsack on 2019-Feb-18, 08:23 PM
all they had to do was go to the ARC last year , prob solved

easy to say !
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-18, 09:00 PM
The latest on the Mile with betting to be suspended.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/racing/racing-victoria-asks-bookies-to-suspend-betting-on-the-all-star-mile-20190218-p50ymr.html

Winx and Autumn Sun will not be running if reports are correct.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-19, 04:57 PM



What could be the point of such a too-long diversion about horses not being starters?

Is RVL persuading some connections to rescue the mess?

....... are UN observers monitoring what is happening behind the 'black curtain' ...... the results of an election that ended today should be available by tomorrow morning at the latest, if not tonight.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-19, 07:33 PM
Pete, what do you think of Peter Vlandys?
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-21, 10:52 AM
Top voted horses guaranteed a start in the All Star Mile mostly a lot of C&D graders....wild card to Happy Clapper .

My vote for Autumn Sun not starting means I and the thousands of others who voted for him get a second chance a lucky dip to share in the spoils.

https://justracing.com.au/2019/02/21/all-star-mile-top-votegetters-revealed/

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-21, 11:24 AM
For some reason or other Hartnell was recorded as having 0 votes when I looked 5 minutes ago - surely not every single vote he had was invalid - he had over 1300 before the black out period occurred.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-21, 08:49 PM

No star anything

Is anyone at RVL taking credit for the field being finalized -- are there 'emergencies' or will a should-be scratching be made to hobble around for $90,000.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-21, 09:42 PM
For some reason or other Hartnell was recorded as having 0 votes when I looked 5 minutes ago - surely not every single vote he had was invalid - he had over 1300 before the black out period occurred.

Hartnell’s votes shows around 1000 odd.

It is a better looking field with Alizee, Happy Clapper, Amphrite and Grunt compared to what it looked a week ago. The fact that horses like Hartnell, Le Romain, Land of Plenty, Extra Brut, Ringerdingding, Rekindling are not in top 10 is disconcerting when you see some of the runners that are in there.

However the votes are in and the decisions have been made. Rules may change next year but this is only the first year so it could improve.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-22, 04:29 PM


However the votes are in and the decisions have been made. Rules may change next year but this is only the first year so it could improve.

This year is a farce but I don't think the concept is bad, just need some tweeting where the BM is raised if they want to stay WFA to get something that will be close to 'All Star' or they could go to handicap where you'd get a real spread of the weights  :chin:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-22, 08:14 PM
I agree this year is a farce but there is no point in making it a handicap because we already have the Doncaster. There were enough good horses nominated to make it one of the very best races of the season - it's just so few of them will get to run.

There are 6 horses out of the 11 horses, in the field so far, who simply don't merit being in the race.

I read somewhere that RV want this to be a Group1 race,

If  that's the case the  rules had better change next year..

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-22, 09:24 PM



RVL went from 'best' to 'worst'

Australian racing surely needs a royal commission to assess how RVL went from 'best' to 'worst' and is apparently only digging deeper the hole of incompetence into which it seems determined to reside.

No star nothing is evidence.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-23, 09:22 PM
Good to see Urban Ruler tuning up today for the All Star mile.

He rushed home from the tail of the field managing to get over the top of one other runner, finishing 11th of 12 and beaten 9.2L  :dry:

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-23, 10:31 PM
C’mon Gin, it is a different horse at Flemington.

On a more serious note, you would think Hartnell would get a start based on today or even Avilius but I doubt if the connections agree to the latter.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-24, 06:58 PM

Racenet  News
The All-Star Mile - introduce a mercy rule!
The All-Star Mile - introduce a mercy rule! Eddie the Eagle won our hearts - but Urban Ruler is a bridge too far!
Ben Dorries Article Author
Ben Dorries

24 February 2019
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Perhaps it’s time they introduce a mercy rule for the All-Star Mile.

Whatever the inclusive good intentions of the race, surely it was never intended that a horse that has been walloped by more than 17 collective lengths in its last two starts in Brisbane would start in the $5million race?

On the same day All-Star Mile favourite Alizee franked her star quality by sitting wide to win the Group I Futurity Stakes at Caulfield, Chris Munce’s grey gelding Urban Ruler was beaten out of sight at Eagle Farm again.

Can you imagine these two facing off at Flemington on All-Star Mile day?

It would be like a pub brawler going toe to toe with Muhammad Ali or a primary school batsman walking out to the middle to face Curtly Ambrose in a Test match.

The problem here doesn’t lay with Munce or with the Shelley Hancox syndicate which owns the five-year-old gelding.

I spoke to Hancox on Sunday afternoon and I totally agree with her points that they are only playing by the rules which have been set by the All-Star Mile organisers.

At this stage, Hancox says the syndicate plans to push onto the All-Star Mile with Urban Ruler.

And she points out that there are generally several Melbourne Cup horses which have no hope of winning, but no-one makes such a song and dance about them being in the field on the first Tuesday in November.

And certainly, given the All-Star Mile pays $90,000 for running last, and Urban Ruler has been selected by a public vote, can you blame them for wanting him a piece of the cash pie?

By having a nomination fee of just $500 and with every horse that runs guaranteed a minimum of 90 grand, organisers have created a rod for their own backs.

A much better plan, as Group I trainer Danny O’Brien suggested a few weeks ago, would be to pay back to 10th.

It would mean that horses that would surely finish in the bottom four, such as Urban Ruler, would probably think it was a waste of time.

Regardless, having a horse such as Urban Ruler in the race has now become comical and threatens to take away some of the gloss of the race which by its very name is meant to be full of stars.

And especially when you consider the likes of grand performer Hartnell, which was an eye-catcher in the Futurity, as well as Victoria Derby winner Extra Brut and the progressive Ringerdingding are yet to nail starts.

Some of these may yet be selected as wildcards, or elevated into the field if and when they decide to scrub Urban Ruler, but you get the point here.

Bookies have Urban Ruler at $101 for the All-Star Mile but given it went around $61 in a Class Six in Brisbane on Saturday and was beaten 9¼ lengths, it should dead set be $10001 in the All-Star Mile.

And even that is probably a touch of unders.

We’ve all had our fun over the years with such fabled sporting characters such as Eddie The Eagle, Eric The Eel and the Jamiacan Olympic bobsleigh team winning our hearts.

Aussie sports fans love an underdog, but the Urban Ruler situation is becoming ridiculous.

Stop the fight - it’s time for some common sense to prevail

ENDS

Hardly fair and too late now to change the conditions ...not a lot of gloss to begin with ....very embarrassing to have Urban Ruler in he can't keep up with class 6 he'll finish a long last.

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-24, 07:45 PM
They have taken down the direct link to the All Star Mile from the racing.com web site.

Must be a huge embarrassment.

And yet no-one to blame?

It is "we have learnt and will fix it up next year" - parroted by the loyal Victorian Racing media - the very same media that went apoplectic when Peter V'Landy's announced The Everest and The Championships.

There will be more mistakes made while they continue to have "token" board and exec appointments and non-racing people involved in the decision making process.

Fair dinkum some of the people from RVL and the VRC need to be tapped on the shoulder and told to shut their big mouths instead of opening up to the media. They are only making it more embarrassing.

The whole focus of what should have been a good race will be on the grey horse from Brisbane. He will get a big cheer from the crowd as he goes out on to the track.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-24, 08:27 PM
PP, the concept is good. They did not get the ratings right. Next year, it should improve.

The issue with the Championship, Everest and now the Mile is that is sucking oxygen from the other races in their own carnivals.

I remember the Melbourne and Sydney carnivals used to complement each other at times. Now it is a train wreck with only a handful of quality horses in each of the group races.

The Golden series set for November spring is going to expose the lack of quality again.

Time will tell if anyone is going to fold as the lack of quality won’t reduce turnover from the gamblers or attendance from the party crowd. It is the purists that have an issue with the concepts and race fields.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: gunbower on 2019-Feb-24, 08:36 PM
Jeunes, as per usual you are pretty much the voice of reason . Of course they haven't got everything right with this Melbourne race. But still it is not as cringe worthy as that disgrace in Sydney where assorted Chinese money launderers : middle eastern oil thieves etc have ingratiated themselves on the Australian racing stage much to the detriment of our Society and the real local Industry.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-24, 09:39 PM
Jeunes, as per usual you are pretty much the voice of reason . Of course they haven't got everything right with this Melbourne race. But still it is not as cringe worthy as that disgrace in Sydney where assorted Chinese money launderers : middle eastern oil thieves etc have ingratiated themselves on the Australian racing stage much to the detriment of our Society and the real local Industry.

Wasn't the last Melbourne Cup won by "Middle Eastern Oil Thieves" (to use your words)  :what:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-24, 09:53 PM


Integrity in the racing game is about 'administration'

The RVL set is embroiled in one scandal after another -- with the scandalized prepared to walk away -- and no one is pointing up the obvious that this lot could not run amok with a tank.

The ACME cleaning company should be called in to sweep the RVL crew out the door.

...............and then lets have a royal commission into RVL squandering the most valuable racing franchise on earth.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: gunbower on 2019-Feb-24, 10:58 PM
Quite right Poison . You are spot on. Go to that Country and see how much respect and not too mention dollars they afford the myriad of workers from what is referred to as the sub-continent.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Feb-24, 11:53 PM
Quite right Poison . You are spot on. Go to that Country and see how much respect and not too mention dollars they afford the myriad of workers from what is referred to as the sub-continent.

So you are proposing that RVL/VRC and RNSW/ATC stop their lobbying (you called it ingratiation) of getting international horses out here for our carnivals on the basis of "Human Rights abuses", and ban stables like Godolphin from operating and competing in Australia.

Have I got that right?

Can you expand on the "Chinese Money Launderers" for me. Not across that one.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-25, 11:54 AM
Urban Ruler is copping a pasting from the media and rightly so but let's not forget Foundry whose form is over  2400M and hasn't raced for more than a year.

Chris Munce could easily have done what Foundry's connections did and not start him before the race. Also I notice that  after running last in the Orr Stakes Moss'n'Dale is nowhere to be seen this weekend or last weekend. At least Man Of His Word is nominated for the weekend races.

We also shouldn't forget the great form of Balf's Choice whose last start was a 7th in Adelaide.



Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-25, 08:08 PM

No-stars for administrative integrity

The No-Star-Nothing is mainly an issue about the (in)competence of RVL.

I was disappointed to read Mick price was prepared to give it five years to prove the concept -- a ridiculous concept -- allowing most punters to show their disrespect for RVL -- should never have got a start -- and the 'no start' siren should have been pressed immediately that became evident.]

Not likely in an RVL that does not make mistakes as Victorian racing races to oblivion.

Who ever promoted it should get more than 5 years.

[....... and why would a jockey be open to a penalty for betting on a race in which he did not have a mount ....... this is called integrity-nuts.............. delivered with force from an administrator with no brains. Who is denied a 'bet' on the stock exchange?]
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-25, 08:21 PM
I don’t think anyone is arguing about the quality of the field apart from the top 6 or 7.

Even though RVL will lament the quality of some of the horses, it will attract a lot of publicity, good and bad. Like the Everest last year, due to the Opera House saga, most people knew about the Everest.

Rightly or wrongly, it will polarise interest. Is it good or bad for racing, time will tell.

Remember the big deal with Championship when it started, big publicity etc. Now a fixture but took a few years and now the publicity is non existent when compared to the Everest. However still a great couple of days.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: gunbower on 2019-Feb-25, 08:29 PM
Not saying we should ban anyone, just stop genuflecting in front of this lot. Think the mile race will eventually find its spot with a few modifications.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-25, 09:32 PM


GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME -- FROM THE OUTSET
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-27, 10:45 AM
Finally someone has shown some sense in regard to this race and I don't mean Greg Carpenter. I read where the connections of Melody Belle have knocked back the chance to be one of the wild card runners in the race.

They realize, unlike RVL, that beating horse of the ilk of Wyndspelle and The Bostonian is not exactly the form required to finish in the top 5 in the race. What they are doing is giving away $90 000. The difference with Melody Belle, as against the infamous 6 who are in the race, is she has a chance of winning more in another race.

Having said that, if we have other  stupid selections for the wild cards, then Melody Belle may well have been able to finish in the top 5.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-27, 11:13 AM
More will be revealed when Mystic Journey wins the Guineas on Saturday.
The voting public and the race club will have to hang their heads in disgrace
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Gintara on 2019-Feb-27, 12:57 PM
More will be revealed when Mystic Journey wins the Guineas on Saturday.
The voting public and the race club will have to hang their heads in disgrace

Check out Ringadingding's last 400 last week Wily  :whistle:

Regardless, what a cracking field  :thumbsup:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Feb-27, 06:08 PM
What I find interesting about the Guineas is that, of the 30 odd horses who ran in the Caulfield and Thousand Guineas only Amphitrite is backing up.

I do notice however that 1st,2nd and 3rd from the Derby are in the race.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Feb-28, 07:04 PM

...............the degeneration of this thread is indicative of the sense of incompetence to follow the race
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-28, 07:28 PM
What I find interesting about the Guineas is that, of the 30 odd horses who ran in the Caulfield and Thousand Guineas only Amphitrite is backing up.

I do notice however that 1st,2nd and 3rd from the Derby are in the race.

Extra Brut will join a select field if he wins.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Mar-02, 04:09 PM
More will be revealed when Mystic Journey wins the Guineas on Saturday.
The voting public and the race club will have to hang their heads in disgrace

Go you champ. I luv ya :no1:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Mar-02, 08:47 PM


.............. even Monty had MJ on top ................ but does it have any relevance to the no-star-nonsense?
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Mar-02, 09:14 PM
Mystic Journey would be a great pick but do the connections race her if they get an invite or go for a few softer options against her age or sex.

I would lean towards Ringerdingding too for an invite after today’s race. Hartnell should be in the mix too.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: sobig on 2019-Mar-02, 10:15 PM
Connections of MJ have said prior to today that they were interested in running, so I guess (assuming they do get a wild card) it will only depend on her pulling up well from today.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Mar-03, 01:12 PM
Mystic Journey would be a great pick but do the connections race her if they get an invite or go for a few softer options against her age or sex.

I would lean towards Ringerdingding too for an invite after today’s race. Hartnell should be in the mix too.

Surely they can't pick Ringerdingding - he's a Group2 winner with his 2 attempts at Group1 resulting in a 10th and a 4th placing.

I suspect that the connections of Mystic Journey would want their horse to represent Tasmania. If Hartnell is not selected, then RVL should not worry about trying to fix the All Star Mile next year but  simply not bother with the race ever again.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Mar-03, 09:15 PM


No captians picks

The farce of the no-stars-nonsense can only be corrected by abandoning the race and giving all 'elected' runners $90,000.

To now proceed to run a race with so 'unqualified' runners is to risk derision.

............. the state government needs to intervene to clean out RVL and restore order to Melbourne racing.



Title: All Star Mile
Post by: sobig on 2019-Mar-04, 01:39 PM
Wild cards announced this morning.

Mystic Journey
Hartnell
Hawkshot
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Mar-04, 06:11 PM
Field for All-Star Mile:

Happy Clapper (Trainer: Pat Webster)

Hartnell (James Cummings)

Material Man (Justin Warwick)

Grunt (Mick Price)

Moss ‘N’ Dale (Peter Gelagotis)

Foundry (Terry Kelly)

Man Of His Word (Dean Krongold)

Balf’s Choice (Ryan Balfour)

Mr Money Bags (Robbie Griffiths)

Urban Ruler (Chris Munce)

Alizee (James Cummings)

Hawkshot (David & Ben Hayes & Tom Dabernig)

Mystic Journey (Adam Trinder)

Amphitrite (David & Ben Hayes & Tom Dabernig)

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Mar-04, 06:35 PM
Bit surprised regarding Hawkshot but then again no recognised leader otherwise too.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Dave on 2019-Mar-05, 12:37 PM
For mine there are only 4 horses that I could consider backing and it will come down to the price offered compared to the price I assess them at as to which horse my money is on, the Horses are Happy Clapper, Alizee, Hartnell and Grunt, they are the proven class in the race, that is not to say they are the only chances though and if the price ain't right I may not even bet in the race,
This race has a really long tail, even Foundry who is a Group One winner and does go well fresh at times could surprise, hard to see it but will be well into triple figures and would love to see it win, just to see Pete's head explode!!
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Mar-05, 08:13 PM

Napoleon and Churchill made mistakes

RVL has joined many mistakers -- will they surrender before the defeat is played out?

............. RVL does NOT make mistakes!
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Mar-05, 11:51 PM
Bit surprised regarding Hawkshot but then again no recognised leader otherwise too.

Happy Clapper has a poor record in Melbourne. He is obviously an exceptional horse - he has won a Doncaster-Epsom double which is a highly recognized feat in itself, and also run 2nd in both races.

Then you can add a Canterbury Stakes to his Group 1 resume. A Villiers wiin and seconds to "the great mare" twice over a mile (and a Ryder as well) makes his mile credentials beyond question.

His only placed effort in 5 Melbourne runs was 2nd to Tosen Stardom in the 2017 McKinnon. He bled from both nostrils in his last Melbourne start.

Having said all that, and referring to Jeunes point about pace, why wouldn't they ride him a bit aggressively like they did in the Chipping Norton?

There are effectively only about 5 or 6 open class Group 1 horses in the race (of which he is one) and the way Flemington plays sometimes it is hard to get past the horse on the rails up front.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Mar-09, 05:12 PM

RVL just does not get it -- this farce should never be repeated

Surely no one at RVL would give credibility to the promotional nonsense for a race that should not be run except to honour a promise that should never have been made.

Is starry-eyed publicity of this ilk to continue for the next week?

What demographic does RVL believe is its target audience?

                                              ................ the richest mile race in the world.

Flemington will erupt with excitement on All-Star Mile Raceday when the richest 1600m race in the world is run by horses selected by fans and a huge party ignites the famous Front Lawn.

In a first for Australian racing, fans have determined ten runners of the 14 in the nation’s newest feature race, the $5 million The All-Star Mile (1600m), with a further four wildcard entries. ........................ not only will it be the richest mile in the world but set to be one of the most thrilling.


It’s just one week until Flemington erupts with excitement
on The All-Star Mile Raceday on Saturday 16 March, 2019 –

Show us your All-Star Mile style by dressing in colours to support your favourite all-star horse.


As an exclusive voter offer, Victoria Racing Club is offering you 50%*^ off general admission tickets.


There is something gone well awry at RVL.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Mar-09, 09:09 PM
I just checked the Tab pre noms market for The Ryder and it is an interesting market.

The 2nd fav Autumn Sun is headed towards the Guineas, 3rd and 4th Fav Alizee and Happy Clapper are booked for the Mile so cant see them backing up. Kemetari is 5th fav but had a shocker today.

If the Mile was designed to take some horses and attention away from the Sydney Autumn carnival, it certainly has worked.

The depth is not there and I feel for the quality in a few years for the carnivals if the clashes between Sydney and Melbourne continue.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Mar-10, 09:07 AM

.....................the clashes between Sydney and Melbourne

After RNSW put a bulldozer through RVL -- as reflected in the quality of the races now run -- the attempt to hit back, with the shambles of no-star nonsense, has only emphasized the incompetence of RVL.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Mar-10, 05:29 PM

The best race to be run this year!

How wrong can one be -- my misgivings are misplaced.

A senior Racing Victoria official has declared next Saturday’s inaugural $5million All-Star Mile at Flemington is “the strongest race in Australia so far in 2019.”

There have been 12 Group Is run and won in Australia this year by turf stars including Winx, The Autumn Sun, Alizee and Sunlight but Greg Carpenter insists the All-Star Mile is a stronger race than all of them.


https://www.racenet.com.au/news/big-call--all-star-mile-strongest-race-in-australia-so-far-in-2019-20190310
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Mar-10, 09:22 PM
There is an interesting theory behind the strongest race concept as told to me by someone as I have not analysed it so far.

With reserves etc, there is a chance there is more G1 winners racing in the All Star Mile than any other race. So it is not the quality based on Winx races but sheer G1 winners.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Mar-11, 10:59 AM
There is no point in considering the reserves when it is highly unlikely that they will get a run. All Carpenter has to do, to see what a farce the race is, is to compare the field with the actual runners in the Orr Stakes.

If the 3 year olds run the placings then I'll be more than happy to say I was wrong.  I suspect I won't be though. 
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Mar-11, 01:33 PM

Can we see the RVL file on the development of the ASM race,

.... to see the rationale, the expectations, the confidence that the customers would vote seriously rather than game the system, the prospect of racegoers wearing special colours et al et al

Or do we have to wait for the royal commission.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Mar-11, 02:47 PM
Get on the board and you’ll be able to see everything in the decision making process. Oh, that’s right, that’s what you’re angling for  :lol:

You’ll be right at home Peter , in amongst all that self interest that you claim exists :bulb:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Mar-13, 11:44 AM


People sure are talking about it

The All-Star Mile was conceived mostly to try to get more buzz around autumn racing in Melbourne.

“We listened to everyone who said autumn is great racing but we can’t get the crowds – no-one really talks about racing in that period like they do in the spring,” Carpenter said.

“The creation of the All-Star Mile was to try and get engagement and conversation during the autumn.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Mar-13, 08:54 PM


Everest lessons for RVL -- give-away free members tickets!

RVL does not seem to realize that RNSW -- aka ATC -- simply handed out free members tickets to ensure an Everest crowd  -- and the journos did not report it.

RVL is so hankering for a crowd for the 'greatest race' it is offering half-price tickets

The weather is looking perfect for a day at the races and with three days remaining, there’s still time to secure 50%*^ off general admission tickets. Don’t miss the kick-off of Australia’s most electrifying new raceday!

..... half-price is too-much ......... give away free tickets........... and still they wont come!
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ratsack on 2019-Mar-13, 09:32 PM

Everest lessons for RVL -- give-away free members tickets!

RVL does not seem to realize that RNSW -- aka ATC -- simply handed out free members tickets to ensure an Everest crowd  -- and the journos did not report it.

RVL is so hankering for a crowd for the 'greatest race' it is offering half-price tickets

The weather is looking perfect for a day at the races and with three days remaining, there’s still time to secure 50%*^ off general admission tickets. Don’t miss the kick-off of Australia’s most electrifying new raceday!

..... half-price is too-much ......... give away free tickets........... and still they wont come!

the man who would shoot bambi . boo santa and know SFA about marketing ?
keep the punters interested or they move on , hard to understand i guess
Pete , i think you would kill the game ? against keeping MY sport in the spotlight ?

more prize money , bad

more runners bad


less P Mair good

move on !
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Mar-14, 06:34 AM
Spot on Rats, spot on
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Mar-14, 08:24 AM


Marketing essentials :  Product  Price  Place  Promotion

The first priority is to have a good product -- RVL falls at the first hurdle

The price is accordingly excessive -- ordinary punters in NSW have to endure ads on 2KSKY explaining that 'no money to enjoy life' may follow betting on Melbourne races.

The 'place' is of course on-course --  no one goes because they do not want to be there

.........................and as for the promotion.......'dare to be great' without thinking is a hope but not a strategy for success.

Saturday will illustrate the story:  4 dire-strait races -- 2 each of 1400&1600m races with inflated fields of 16 -- and a 2000m race with 16 starters.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Mar-14, 10:07 AM
You obviously failed at university
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Mar-14, 03:58 PM

The excitement is building ahead of the day

......................... in Saturday's $5 million All-Star Mile,  three runners race against the clock to prove their fitness. Urban Ruler (100/1) was displaying signs of lameness when put under the eye of vets...... fellow outsider Foundry (33/1) and Western Australian entry Material Man (125/1) are also in danger of being withdrawn from The All-Star Mile.

These horses only had to be kept sound to collect $90,000.

Race 5 is a bottler -- a BM80 over 2000m with 16 + three emergencies - distributing $150,000 of punters taxes.

This looks seriously impossible and I'm pretty happy to give it a miss from a punting perspective. For the sake of a tip..............................Verdict: Pass.


What a day   --------------- we are in Melbourne for sure!
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Mar-14, 04:36 PM

Race 5 is a very good race with some nice up and coming staying horses.

I suggest you do some form Peter.....oops, thats right, you dont do that
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Mar-14, 05:44 PM

Is that a white flag!

RVL is starting to realize the consequences of its ASM nonsense.

................. it  will be controversial if the Urban is Ruled unfit ......... is the trainer saying anything?

A top All-Star Mile official says the fact that $201 pop Urban Ruler has a lowly 75 rating is not the biggest issue.

“The problem is Urban Ruler has come back from a spell and not been competitive,” Greg Carpenter Racing Victoria’s executive general manager for racing said, of the Chris Munce-trained grey gelding that has been beaten by a combined total of more than 17 lengths in his two starts since resuming in Brisbane.



https://www.racenet.com.au/news/non-competitive-form--not-rating--the-issue-for-urban-ruler-in-all-star-mile-20190313
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Mar-15, 11:04 AM
Finally some good news for the organisers of the race. Foundry was found to be lame and has been scratched.

Fortunately for RVL Le Romain stayed in Melbourne and now we have one of the horses that really should have been in the race now being able to start. Now instead of 4 genuine chances and 3 maybes(the 3 year olds) we have 5 genuine chances.

Which makes it even harder for the likes of Urban Ruler and Balf's Choice. They genuinely should be $10 000 to win as they cannot possibly win.

I'm not saying they should be $2 500 a place as there are only a limited number of horses with the ability to race at this standard and you never know, but I'd have to give up punting forever if those horses that are listed at $100 were able to win.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Mar-15, 11:26 AM


In the circumstances any 'vets advice' should be accompanied by explanatory statements from trainers.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Mar-15, 02:22 PM


The hype keeps flowing

Tomorrow history will be made with the running of The All-Star Mile at Flemington – the first race of its kind in Australia and the world’s richest mile race.


Putting aside the runners that should not be in the race at all -- it should be a reasonable race for the top 6 in the market, but nothing to get excited about.

.............and one should not forget the outcome last year  when the Quadrella paid $8,000 and the 4 F4's contributing to this averaged $5,5000.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Mar-16, 02:20 PM
Race 5 is a very good race with some nice up and coming staying horses.

I suggest you do some form Peter.....oops, thats right, you dont do that

Well, th favourite salutes,
Baby, there was no surprise there :whistle:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: pegasyber on 2019-Mar-16, 02:23 PM
  dOUBT THE COMPUTER CAN PICK THIS ONE, BUT MIGHT AS WELL SEE IT TRY:

VF140817 FL81603F * RACE NAME ID* [ FL81603F  2019. ALL-STAR MILE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 1600 mtrs]. COMPRUN 03-15-2019. AT 07:09:16 RESULT  [    13   2   11    15    ~    4   14            ]

 
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: fours on 2019-Mar-16, 02:53 PM
look what the cat dragged in!

Fours
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: firezuki on 2019-Mar-16, 04:16 PM
Hartnell a certainty beaten.  Because I backed him.


Complete crap ride. 
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Mar-16, 05:45 PM
Happy Clipper again disappointing in Melb. Snuck into 8th spot.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Mar-16, 08:43 PM
Interestingly the six longest priced commodities finished last six.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Mar-16, 09:04 PM
Possibly an error but Racing.com shows the distribution of prizemoney in the All Star Mile as nil for the four which finished at the tail..so if correct no $90K for Urban Ruler whose trainer Chris Munce is $500 lighter for putting paw paw cream on the nags lips.

https://www.racing.com/form/2019-03-16/flemington/race/8/results


Giddy Up :beer:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: sobig on 2019-Mar-16, 09:55 PM
Is an error $90,000 to all unplaced runners (6th to 14th) in the race conditions
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Brian Mc on 2019-Mar-17, 06:51 AM
Just under two months ago I started this thread.
In that initial post I mentioned the word "mediocracy".  There was a fair amount of that both in the promotion of the race and in  the final field. 
Yet that field did have quite a few worth-while horses and, in the winner, an absolute bottler of a filly. To run three and four wide all the way and to put paid to her rivals with nonchalance was the mark of yet another mare that will give us enjoyment over the next few years.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Mar-17, 08:06 AM
More will be revealed when Mystic Journey wins the Guineas on Saturday.
The voting public and the race club will have to hang their heads in disgrace

Amazing win. Geez I luv this girl.  :heart: :heart: :heart:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Mar-17, 09:27 AM


Attendance at Flemington?

.......... has the number been published................ a sweeping shot of the stands before the ASSM had mainly empty seats.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Bubbasmith on 2019-Mar-17, 12:02 PM
Peter, over this weekend in Melbourne, unlike in the Spring when racing has little competition, we have the F1 Grand Prix, the semi finals of the AFLW, semi finals of the premier district cricket, and ALeague  soccer, is it any wonder the horse racing does not pull in the crowds as in the Spring ,

I reckon the AFLW and the premier district cricket would pull in 3,000 all up, however the F1 would  drag a few away from the races, however, as most would agree, racing  on course attendances are in rapid decline and face a dire future.

Before much longer they will be racing for ribbons in South Australia and  Tasmania ,
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Mar-17, 07:45 PM
The crowd was 16,000 for the All Star Mile. I personally think it is disappointing compared to the other major races in Victoria.

It will be interesting to see what next year’s crowd would be as the Everest 2nd year crowd hit 40k.

Not a bad start but was it worth the hype, prizemoney etc?

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Mar-18, 09:45 AM


.....................the Everest 2nd year crowd hit 40k.


That may be -- but the number of complimentary 'members tickets' distributed by RNSW  was politely disclosed in references to the 'packed' members stand on the day .

RVL could have done that but Melbourne is more gentlemanly -- full of the good intentions and hopeful aspirations that paved the road to the 'helluva mess' that the ASSM became.

RVL is coming close to being redundant to the future of racing in Australia -- at every step and turn it goes the wrong way.

Paying substantial prize money down to 10th was a step into the void.


.... the small mercy is that whatever RVL does next is irrelevant until late-September.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-May-27, 08:39 AM


ONE STAR FALLS -- will  All Star Mile be run again?


A new challenge for RVL chief 'Miles' Thompson  -- to redeem an astonishing embarrassment.

..............from the SMH this morning:

The inaugural $5 million All Star Mile at Flemington ran for the first time in March.

Then, for reasons unknown, the woman who came up with the whole thing departed.

Racing Victoria’s chief commercial officer Jane Ballantyne has been made redundant.



Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Aug-13, 08:17 PM


A star falls from heaven again -- RVL continues to astonish

Last year, RVL eventually realized that 'letting the punters vote' for 'popular starters' was a stupid thing to do.

Given a year to regroup and put the '(no) star mile' on a sound footing RVL has not passed the test.

The new offering is a hybrid combining 'punter votes' (read stable follower votes) and the 'no-wild-card' discretion for RVL to over-ride the 'elected' pick of class captain chosen by the voting class-clowns.

We now have a shambles -- the clowns can now vote for BM 80 horses to get a run while RVL can make the clown vote irrelevant by selecting top-class runners.

That should sort out the 'winner' but it does not deal with the wasteful distribution of subsatntial racing funds to those 'elected' runners finishing down to last  -- all this with the prospect still of a field inflated with the 'elected' no-hopers running amok and delivering an unfair outcome.

..... one can only wonder what is going on at RVL   ........... astonishing decisions determined to lose the race with RNSW.

Be very wary of the (no) star mile to be run in 2020.



Title: All Star Mile
Post by: napes on 2019-Aug-14, 10:29 AM
If there was an all stars for dribblers you would be the first one in.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2019-Aug-14, 11:48 AM
What they have really done is got rid of Foundry (who was scratched anyway) and Urban Ruler. Balf's Choice,Man Of His Word and Mr Money Bags would still be able to run.

An additional 5 instead of 4 is a step in the right direction and the dropping of the prize money for the no hopers to $50 000 is also a plus.

I think the rules are far too liberal for the 3 year olds- bench mark 70 and a placing in a listed race is far too easy for them.

Good to see the NZs able to vote. However I'm thinking that there will be some sort of rort come out of NZ( maybe half the field will be from NZ). The $50 000 for the last 5 horses will mean a lot more to them than for horses in Australia.

So overall an improvement Mr Carpenter but I fear the race will still end up like this year.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Aug-14, 07:45 PM


What do the professional members of the racing media clan think?

........ clearly, not much usually -- but they could make this a special focus given the needed thought is minimal.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Aug-25, 08:26 PM


The abject humiliation of the 'professional and independent' racing media



It's started: a steady flow of promotional hype from RVl for the 'no' star mile to be run next March-- beware the ides!

Following are extracts from the first salvo -- presenting fundamental changes to the character of the event as 'remaining the same'.

The racing media men would be reading this self-evident tripe but dare not say a word about either, the implicit admission of a major mistake last year, or the continuing ingrained nonsense of a 'race' determined to win favour when a BM 70 or 80 rated horse beats the RVL's  handpicked 'best' .

When a Robin Hood shafts the Sheriff --and one will --  it will mainly expose the shortcomings of running races with inflated fields on metropolitan tracks in Victoria that are not suited to the event.

Consider this nonsense:

............... exciting new changes to the second running of The All-Star Mile for 2020........New Zealand residents to help shape the field ......... core structure of The All-Star Mile will (?) remain the same............... addition of a fifth wildcard ......two ‘win and you’re in races’ ................ change in the allocation of prize-money for horses finishing outside the top five .... $120,000  for sixth to eighth .......$100,00  for ninth and tenth and $50,000 for 11th to 15th.


The original All-Star Mile in March was (not) a tremendous success

The changes to the conditions will ensure that The All-Star Mile is a contest befitting of its (low/no) status, whilst retaining the unique opportunity for fairy-tale stories to emerge and dreams to be realised.

As we saw last year, the world’s richest mile has the power to transcend international boundaries and become a talking point for racing across the globe, and so we look forward to seeing a field of the best local and international runners here on 14 March.”
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Aug-25, 08:43 PM

The abject humiliation of the 'professional and independent' racing media



It's started: a steady flow of promotional hype from RVl for the 'no' star mile to be run next March-- beware the ides!



So youbelieve they should not promote their products  ;)
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Aug-27, 07:18 PM


The plain insincerity of RVL

If anyone was pretending to host and promote the 'worlds richest mile race' -- surely, they would make a day of it.

Recall the no-ASM  day last year -- one feature does not make for a good day's racing.

RVL really made a day-of-it last year:  a real mess of it --  the supporting program was the usual low-grade, inflated field nonsense.

.............. four F4s averaged some $20k, three 1.5k -- and the quadrellas paid 10k and 5k.

Those outcomes, while consistent with RV's racing rubbish, show no intention to back up a very expensive distribution of prize-money with a complementary good support program.

NOT EVEN RVL HAS ITS HEART IN THIS FARCE!




Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Aug-27, 09:44 PM


Stars in the eyes of RVL -- dare to be great!


The Moonee Valley Racing Club has a grand vision to transform the Group I Moir Stakes into the “best and richest 1000m race in the world” and a key stepping stone towards The Everest

As with other initiatives, the hope is to take a free-ride on a mountain race in Sydney -- RVL leveraging off the ATC.

Do not forget that the F4 on this race last year paid some $20,000.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Aug-29, 05:14 PM

Two races in one -- RVL confuses efficiency with product quality

RVL has managed to combine  into one race the concepts of both the Everest and the Kosciusko races to be run in Sydney on Caulfield cup day.

In Melbourne this race is known as the the All-Star-Mile and the No-Star-Mile  -- two races in one -- and it is run to distract attention from the Sydney autumn carnival.

Because all the good horses will be in Sydney in March, the 'fast' and 'slow' halves of the Star race are selected, respectively,  by RVL and minor-stable voting blocs.


Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Dec-12, 07:59 PM


RVL digs in -- but the star won't shine

RVL has a self-destructive streak -- when you make a mistake dig the hole deeper!

The latest nonsense is a psuedo-survey of which promotional image punters consider best to promote the no-star mile.

Push-polling trying to contrive a survey to generate interest in a non-event.

RVL would do better to talk to ordinary punters about why they are unable to win these days -- and then stop inflating fields to  make the races unfair as 10th-placers clutter the fields.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2019-Dec-22, 04:14 PM

Ready, Fire, Aim -- RVL  has another plan to mock racing gambling

While we are waiting for the no-star mile to not twinkle in March.

In all fairness entry to the track on the day should be free.


Rapid racing to fire up at Flemington


In a bid for a more punchy and action-packed racing format, Flemington will host a rapid-fire Sunday card in February with condensed gaps between races and an innovative jockey challenge.

One of the fresh elements of the day, on February 9, will be a jockey challenge where seven of Victoria’s premiership-leading country riders will take on seven of the jockeys from the big smoke for a rapid racing trophy.

The meeting will feature a card of seven straight-course races run over distances ranging from 1000m to 1200m, with a sawn-off program with 30-minute gaps between races.


https://www.racenet.com.au/news/rapid-racing-to-fire-up-at-flemington-20191222
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2020-Jan-10, 05:44 PM
On checking the nominations for the 2020 All Star Mile  I notice that Te Akau Shark isn't among them - I would have thought that it was exactly the right race for him- especially since the Kiwis are allowed to vote this year.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: nemisis on 2020-Jan-10, 07:07 PM
Melody Belle for the All Star Mile and Te Akau Shark for the Queen Elizabeth Stakes in Sydney.

I think they are doing the right thing.

Te Akau Shark is a big horse who likes a bit of give in the ground.......I would  worry about him at Flemington on one of those so called good 3s.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: sobig on 2020-Jan-10, 07:09 PM
The All Star Mile is at Caulfield this year so the track could be even firmer than Flemington would be.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2020-Jan-15, 05:53 PM
The All Star Mile voting commences tomorrow and I suspect that Star Missile will head the early voting . Like his half brother from last year (Urban Ruler) Star Missile is owned by one of those Hancox Syndicates which have at least 800 members.

Unlike Urban Ruler, Star Missile does have some promising form leading into the race. I suspect that form won't be good enough but you never know how far a progressive horse can go.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Jan-16, 06:44 PM


..........................    sit back and watch an administrative and marketing tragedy unfold
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Jan-23, 06:40 AM

..........................    sit back and watch an administrative and marketing tragedy unfold

What’s your opinion on below as a marketing inducement?

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/corporate-bookie-gets-all-star-mile-slot-20200122
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Jan-23, 07:18 PM

Ducking and weaving to correct a big mistake

RVL would sell their soul -- and not admit that the messiah was in Sydney selling the Everest.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Jan-23, 07:37 PM
PvL in Sydney and you are left right out 😂
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Jan-23, 09:16 PM


Pauline would ask -- 'please explain, princess?'
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Jan-24, 07:19 AM
It’s simple Peter
Whilst RVL & PVL are doing stuff to support the industry, you are not.
Remember , you got sacked :bulb:

  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Jan-24, 02:06 PM
It’s simple Peter
Whilst RVL & PVL are doing stuff to support the industry, you are not.
Remember , you got sacked :bulb:

  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

Even better, it was so bad this had to happen   :lol:

Australia’s leading consumer racing advocate Peter Mair is being axed by a special act of Parliament brought on by Racing Minister Dick Face.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: nemisis on 2020-Jan-24, 03:22 PM
There have been many decent, honourable people that have been 'moved' out of the way by a politician before.......Donald Trump has only got mobsters left.  :lol:

I can't remember what Peter Mair was doing in his role as "punter's advocate" back then .......maybe he will explain.....I would hope it wasn't "inflated fields".  :biggrin:

Credit to him for putting his name to every comment.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Jan-24, 05:18 PM
There have been many decent, honourable people that have been 'moved' out of the way by a politician before.......Donald Trump has only got mobsters left.  :lol:

I can't remember what Peter Mair was doing in his role as "punter's advocate" back then .......maybe he will explain.....I would hope it wasn't "inflated fields".  :biggrin:

Credit to him for putting his name to every comment.


Nem, his ego results in him putting his name to stuff. A desperate form of self promotion. A pity that what he posts exposes why he was sacked.

Jeunes posted a rather self flagellating letter that Mair wrote about his “achievements” on another thread.

 Sadly for Mair it just highlighted what a fool he is and why he was sacked
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Feb-10, 07:09 PM

Armchair Punter raises question -- 'is smoking 'something' still allowed in the Racenet bunker?'


ALL-STAR MILE DESTINED FOR GREAT HEIGHTS

There’s little doubt in my mind the All-Star Mile has now claimed the title as Australia’s No.2 ‘mile’ after the Doncaster and I reckon there’s a good chance it will be challenging for the top spot in years to come.
All-Star Mile on target to becoming a juggernaut

The clock is ticking down to the All-Star Mile and I’ve got to admit to being pretty excited about not only this edition but the overall future of the race.


.................. the concept of this race is fatally flawed ...... combining 'punters picks' with 'promoters selections' entails staging a contest of 'can wins' and 'no-hopers' while risking the consequences of an inflated field delivering a 'blowout' result --  a knockout to the concept of punters voting in contenders.

Let the owners put bucks up to decide the field -- skin in the game counts!

Contenders for the best races should have the best ratings and the best recent form ----  punter 'votes' are compromised by allegiances to runners unlikely to be qualified.

... that the very idea of the no-star mile devalues racing is, alas, consistent with the apparent determination of RVL and the Victorian government to devalue the legacy entrusted to them.


Title: All Star Mile
Post by: gunbower on 2020-Feb-10, 09:06 PM
Wily, after reading many of Mairs' ramblings the question that often intrigues me is ; Why was he appointed to anything in the first place ? Who thought that he had some special skills that could enhance the Industry in the first place ? Suggest that selection panel have not been used again.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Feb-11, 06:33 AM
Gun, the good news is someone woke up to his ineptness   :lol:

Oh & I voted for the west aussie, Regal Power :thumbsup:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Feb-11, 08:36 AM



A WFA EVENT


Allowing and encouraging voting for runners in a WFA event is hardly sensible.

.... on the other hand, RVL policy inflates fields with no-hopers -- those voted-in meet this preference.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Feb-11, 10:00 AM
Those voted out (sacked) are no hopers as well as you know only too well peter  :lol:   :lol:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Feb-11, 10:40 AM
The All Star Mile has way to goto meet the Everest hype. Saying that it has more hype than the Sydney autumn races so far.

If it brings more people to racing, it should be a good thing PM.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Feb-11, 11:12 AM


Putting on unfair racing is never a good thing


                                           If it brings more people to racing, it should be a good thing

New people attracted to dud racing on a dud day out will not come back  -- lost forever.

Like most of the racing RVL is promoting these days, a no-star-mile featuring cluttering also-rans as well as the very best is likely to be unfair to the best horses and their connections.

It is almost that RVL has a death wish for this race -- it will be scrapped when the cluttering delivers a bradbury-boilover.

........ never forget 'tears i cry' leading in a $1m First4 after the Flemington track was 'off'  -- the TIC was then a G1 weighted-out certainty.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: sobig on 2020-Feb-11, 03:33 PM
Looking at the voting so far I do not see any "no hopers" making the field and this promises to be an excellent race.

The concept is basically the sane as the Arima Kinen in Japan which was the 6th highest ranked world last year
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Feb-11, 07:01 PM
Looking at the voting so far I do not see any "no hopers" making the field and this promises to be an excellent race.

The concept is basically the sane as the Arima Kinen in Japan which was the 6th highest ranked world last year

Yes, looking like Mair is wrong again.  :lol:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Feb-11, 07:43 PM
This is dedicated to PM and Tears I Cry. I could be wrong but in those days there were no corporates as we know now so the pools were much bigger.  Also there was a jackpot on the race as in those says jackpots used to roll on to the next race or similar. That may partially explain the big dividend. You don’t get many F4 pools that get to $1m now.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=40HXkzXDInU
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Feb-11, 08:27 PM


No 'bradburys' suggests a managed outcome

A capacity for RVL to learn from mistakes -- voted bradbury-runners -- is encouraging.

How did they do it?

Is the field of candidates now limited to credible runners?

BM 80 is not a credible WFA entitlement.

To be eligible for the race, horses must have satisfied new minimum performance criteria over the previous year at the close of nominations, as well as have an increased minimum handicap rating of 80 if aged four and above, with three-year-olds remaining at last year’s minimum rating of 70.

Is the voting managed to exclude 'bradburys'?

Presumably, with RVL deciding 4wild card nominations,  the inclination to run 'elected' runners is a function of prize-money for running 14th?

....... how much does the horse running last get paid .......... $90k was suggested last year..... this year?  $50k

Owners Prizemoney First $2,250,000 Second $720,000 Third $360,000 Fourth $210,000 Fifth $150,000 Sixth to Eighth $120,000 Ninth and Tenth $100,000 Eleventh to Fifteenth $50,000


This is inviting no-hopers from a syndicated-stable able to swamp the ballot-boxes at the cut-off.

................... as the voting stands, a well organized stunt could start a bradbury or two or three, hoping for the best, but most likely to be impeding the fair-chance of a better and well-qualified runner.

...... this race is a disgrace ....... RVL is covering its initial stupidity with a still risky strategy begging for a bradbury to win and destroy the concept of democracy determining race fields

...... be mindful .............. the Trumpster and Scott from marketing, et al, starting favourite!
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Feb-17, 10:05 PM


Real-time voting -- slow-time counting

The n-s-m is starting to smell from the head down.

If voting for the no-star mile field were a modern electronic election process, the votes would be published within minutes of the cut-off -- what we are being told is that 'connections now must wait four days' to know if they got a start.

That is not right -- it smacks of a vote for a Ned Kelly, as class-captain, which the teaches may not like -- and eastern-bloc rulers 'managing' wishes of the people they may want to 'correct'.

Was there a free vote or not? -- if RVL does not trust 'free votes' why would they not change the selection process to rule out those hoping to run last!

The present n - s - m concept is not credible -- allowing punters and stables to vote is nonsednse.


This is disturbing:

Aristia was right on the cusp of an All-Star Mile start when voting went into the blackout stage but connections now must wait four days to find out if the mare has a shot at a huge payday next month.

Aristia was just inside the top 10 when the voting tallies went dark at 10pm last Friday night but voting remained open until midnight on Sunday.

The runners voted into the All-Star Mile will be announced on Thursday.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Feb-17, 10:46 PM
PM, I thought you gave up betting on Melbourne racing.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Feb-18, 06:28 AM
Just another lie from Mair  :lol:

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2020-Feb-18, 10:45 AM
I don't have a problem with them taking 4 days to make sure there is none cheating the system.

However I think they should have waited until at least this weekend before closing the vote.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Feb-18, 02:34 PM

Surely not -- racing folk 'cheating'

How could RVL have put a voting system in place that allows cheating.

Perhaps the AEC could run the ballot -- and deliver the results promptly.

That said, who has an incentive to cheat? ....how is it done?  and ....... how is it detected?

On my last look not many had voted -- and that does invite a swamping last-minute rush to vote.


Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Feb-18, 02:39 PM

Some other misapprehensions to be addressed

Not betting on MM racing does not imply not taking an interest in protecting most punters that do.

Other posted misapprehensions about my representative role, previously let go through to the keeper, are probably also best corrected .... and I will address that matter soon.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Dave on 2020-Feb-20, 01:43 PM
Really punters are sometimes like a bunch of old sheila's....why does anyone care what a race is worth or how they pick the field etc.......all total BS from a punting perspective.....when you see the final field you decide if it is a betting race or not.....end of story.......only connections should concern themselves with stuff like that, why does anyone else even care? just gossip, Punters opinions on prizemoney and the politics of racing are always going to be ignored cos they have no relevance and no one really cares.........
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Feb-20, 08:42 PM


Punters (and owners) care -- they pay the freight


When funds contributed by punters pay the prize-money, it is important that the punters, and the owners, get a fair run for the money they put up.

Too often they do not -- paying generously for no-hoper runners to run 10th is a corruption of the idea of a fair go -- these 'cant wins' turn a fair race into a pinball game as they block 'could wins' in the run.

........ the composition of the field matters a lot ... the no-star-mile is corrupted by allowing 'populist votes' to inflate the field with runners that should not be there.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Feb-20, 08:48 PM

Punters (and owners) care -- they pay the freight


When funds contributed by punters pay the prize-money, it is important that the punters, and the owners, get a fair run for the money they put up.

Too often they do not -- paying generously for no-hoper runners to run 10th is a corruption of the idea of a fair go -- these 'cant wins' turn a fair race into a pinball game as they block 'could wins' in the run.

........ the composition of the field matters a lot ... the no-star-mile is corrupted by allowing 'populist votes' to inflate the field with runners that should not be there.


“No stars”? Are you seriously going to claim this?

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Feb-21, 06:49 PM
Hey Pete, are you waiting till after the event to answer the question.

Come on, be the advocate that you claim, tell us who isn’t a star or who shouldn’t be in the field
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Feb-22, 08:57 PM
After today, you have to wonder who else will make the field?

I would go left field and go for Miss Siska or even Castlevecchio.

I just think there may be a couple of drop outs after the Australian Guineas.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Feb-23, 10:17 PM


Do not mix  'good and better' with 'also-runners['/b]

A voting-entry option is just wrong -- punters should not be faced with wfa-weights for elected but unqualified runners.

..... and qualified runners should not be faced with a buffeting bagatelle of no-hopers.

The NSM concept is typical Melbourne-madness -- promoting a 'democracy' of numbers in a den of thieves is plain nonsense.

............ RVL does not want a Ned-Kelly to be a class-captain mocking its ratings.

The rules will be changed -- hopefully before a Bradbury wins.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Feb-24, 06:37 AM

“No stars”? Are you seriously going to claim this?
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Feb-24, 08:50 AM


.........some-stars is not all-stars

The problem is that the race is two-in-one -- one race for the stars and another race for the cant-wins but can disrupt.

.................................... akin to putting 'mines' in some lanes for Olympic running events.

It will come unstuck because it is an ill-founded concept -- and RVL is too slow to concede that and fix the rules.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Feb-24, 09:54 PM
The problem is a Mair doesn’t have the integrity to tell us who shouldn’t be in the field

Much easier for him to disingenuously snipe from the sideline and cross his fingers for the cards to fall his way  :lol:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Dave on 2020-Feb-25, 12:28 PM
Keep on going wily, I think good Ole Pete is weakening and about to change his mind, what d'ya reckon, eh?
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Feb-25, 07:48 PM

Pete's weaknesses are legendary, as you know

........... once the field is declared for the no-star-mile, everyone will know the horses that, bar a Bradbury,  have 'no hope' and should not be there.

                      ... even the kennel-kids will know and the results will say what they should have.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Feb-26, 07:02 AM
Most big races have horses that have no chance. The Derbies, Cups, Slipper , WFA etc.

Why should the All Star Mile be singled out for this? If we follow your reasoning, then you should be equally critical of other races. I am sure being an ex Punters representative that you will be aghast at other races including races in other states too containing no hopers.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Dave on 2020-Feb-26, 03:25 PM
Jeunes, you, wily and a few others here must have terrible migraines.....the result of banging your head against a brick wall.......protracted arguing with Pete isn't a sign of intelligence.....you're standing in quicksand.......You can't win.....
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result,
Trying to convince Pete he is wrong fits that's the best definition of insanity I have ever heard of and I am sure Albert Einstein would agree!
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Feb-26, 09:04 PM
Jeunes, you, wily and a few others here must have terrible migraines.....the result of banging your head against a brick wall.......protracted arguing with Pete isn't a sign of intelligence.....you're standing in quicksand.......You can't win.....
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result,
Trying to convince Pete he is wrong fits that's the best definition of insanity I have ever heard of and I am sure Albert Einstein would agree!

One of your best.  :lol:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Feb-26, 09:25 PM


...........................one problem for the 'kennel kids' is that Pete is not usually wrong

                   ...... repitiituous endorsements of Pete being 'wrong' only illustrate their own limitatiions.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Feb-27, 06:20 AM

...........................one problem for the 'kennel kids' is that Pete is not usually wrong

                   ...... repitiituous endorsements of Pete being 'wrong' only illustrate their own limitatiions.

What do you mean “not usually wrong”? Does this mean your views have been wrong before?
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Dave on 2020-Feb-27, 03:56 PM
Jeunes, Pete is a Legend in his own mind....Nuff said!
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Mar-01, 08:32 PM


.................... thirteen sleeps until some stars shine

 ...... while  some 'elected' no-stars will get far too much for simply impeding others that might have shined.

Only in Victoria would such a nonsense be considered competitively 'cutting edge' in racing administration.

The best result for all concerned is that some Bradbury cops-the-lot ......... prompting an investigation of why RVL allowed unqualified runners to be 'elected' -- as distinct from being accepted to run on their proven recent form.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Mar-01, 08:49 PM
PM, below are fields of the 2 Group 1 races in Sydney on the weekend. Don’t you think no hopers in fields also apply to these races too.

https://www.tab.com.au/racing/2020-02-29/RANDWICK/S/R/6

In the Surround there were at least 3/11 who were 40/1 or longer.

https://www.tab.com.au/racing/2020-02-29/RANDWICK/S/R/7/Win

In the time honoured Chipping Norton, there were 5/13 who were 70/1 or longer.

Thus Racing NSW has this problem too that you have brought up. Does this mean that you will criticise V’Landys and Racing NSW too?
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Mar-02, 05:51 AM

Inflated fields also corrupt metropolitan races in Sydney

I accordingly deplore the ATC following RVL over the cliff, inflating fields by paying no-hopers to run 10th.

I will not, however, be mentioning the name of a royal-highness who is inclined to hurt feelings.

There is nonetheless something different about racing in Sydney -- field sizes are usually smaller and the tracks not so inclined to unfair outcomes in the 1400 to 1600m range (an acute problem for Caulfield and Flemington).

......in Sydney the corruption is mainly about inflated fields in sprints at Rosehill ..... especially for 2ryo -- and notorious problems with Canterbury and Warwick Farm, tracks rarely used for Saturday racing.

The 'test' for me is the success rate of the selections made by Shane Montgomery in the SMH -- he got everything right at Flemington on Saturday --- reflecting the smaller fields and well disclosed form.

Almost invariably the contrast with SM tips  is so sharply in favour of Sydney -- and against Melbourne -- that one wonders why punters bet on Melbourne races at all.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: pwa54 on 2020-Mar-02, 08:53 AM
Back to the All-Star Mile, Black Heart Bart, Fierce Impact and Superstorm are the wildcards. Fifty Stars has accepted.

It's a quality field and should be a great race.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Mar-02, 10:43 AM

Let us reflect on this: It's a quality field and should be a great race.


The race should be a great race and it may prove to be so in time -- but, again, not this time.

The quality and fairness of the race will always be compromised while ever unqualified runners can get a run based on a popular vote.

The policy development unit at RVL is off with the pixies -- problem is,  this much is just too true:

The All-Star Mile is a race like no other in Australia. It's the only race in Australia where you choose the horses that run. Vote for your favourite horse ............. ...

Beyond that it seems they are intending to start 15 runners over the 1600 at Caulfield -- do not do it  -- this start is notoriously unfair with more than 10 runners.

Predictably there are two races in one  -- one good, one bad and a disturbing prospect of a mess.

The raw material is there for a good WFA race -- half the likely field is rated over 110 and a few at 110.

About half the likely field  is slated to start at 50/1+  -- hopefully this 'race-two' lot will take $50k from an emergency keen to run or politely drop back  -- but they wont -- they will try to do a bradbury  ------ and very likely impede runners in the race with prospects.

Unbelievably they will be paid $50,000 for 'being popular' -- if they were charged $100,000 to get a start to run 10th -- probably none would pay up.

The appeal of the race will fall away further if some of the fancied runners drawing badly are scratched or otherwise saved for another day  -- as a few with high profiles should be.

This story is unfolding .... it is unlikely to have a happy ending ..... and wont until the story line is changed to exclude popular no-hopers.

[pwa54 does not say much but is usually on the pace when he has a go -- not this time I suggest.]

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Mar-02, 06:19 PM


Do the ASM conditions invite selling a popular-vote slot for $50,000+?


....... which 'emergencies' get a run ... is the  $50,000, guaranteed, for running 15th, tantamount to a card that can be parlayed into an 'acceptance fee' opportunity for another horse to get a run.

.....can an owner of a 'no-hoper' is guaranteed $50k, simply for running last,  sell that slot to an 'emergency' .............with a two-to-one prospect of  getting $100k running 9th or 10th?

The whole ASM concept makes a parody of practical concepts of proper racing administration -- nonsense run mad is attachments to democracy among  Melbourne's  Murray-river-wetbacks.

................talk about a river running upside down through Melbourne ...........RVL is a regular swimmer, risking drowning.


Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Mar-02, 06:56 PM
Inflated fields also corrupt metropolitan races in Sydney

I accordingly deplore the ATC following RVL over the cliff, inflating fields by paying no-hopers to run 10th.

I will not, however, be mentioning the name of a royal-highness who is inclined to hurt feelings.

There is nonetheless something different about racing in Sydney -- field sizes are usually smaller and the tracks not so inclined to unfair outcomes in the 1400 to 1600m range (an acute problem for Caulfield and Flemington).

......in Sydney the corruption is mainly about inflated fields in sprints at Rosehill ..... especially for 2ryo -- and notorious problems with Canterbury and Warwick Farm, tracks rarely used for Saturday racing.

The 'test' for me is the success rate of the selections made by Shane Montgomery in the SMH -- he got everything right at Flemington on Saturday --- reflecting the smaller fields and well disclosed form.

Almost invariably the contrast with SM tips  is so sharply in favour of Sydney -- and against Melbourne -- that one wonders why punters bet on Melbourne races at all.

Pete, who is the Royal Highness you refer to? Is it V’Landys or someone on the forum who does not like criticism of V’Landys?
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Mar-02, 08:32 PM


                  ................. you tell me
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Mar-02, 08:44 PM

                  ................. you tell me

That is why I am asking as I was intrigued by your choice of words. I am unsure if it is a throwaway line or you actually have a valid reference. I have no idea who you are referring as there are a lot of highnesses around everywhere in sport. Some more than others.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: nemisis on 2020-Mar-02, 09:14 PM
I'll give you a couple of clues Jeunes.

He is a man of modest height (5 foot 9 inches with his platforms on) who has who has described himself as a "Greek god."
His surname at school was Vlandis.    :lol:   :lol:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Mar-02, 10:15 PM
I'll give you a couple of clues Jeunes.

He is a man of modest height (5 foot 9 inches with his platforms on) who has who has described himself as a "Greek god."
His surname at school was Vlandis.     :lol:     :lol:

So PM is scared of offending him? It does not make sense considering how much he thinks of some racing bodies.

Has PM met his match with V’Landys?
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Mar-03, 07:48 AM
It's so funny and typical that Mair couldnt answer a simple fcking question  :lol:

The blokes as weak as piss
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Mar-03, 07:54 AM

APOLOGY TO PETER V’LANDYS

I have been asked, and so agree, to cease making defamatory statements about Peter V’landys in any online or other forum and to post the following apology on this forum (www.racehorsetalk.com.au) where the statements appeared.

I previously made some statements criticising Peter V’Landys in his role as CEO of RacingNSW.
Those statements were without foundation. I wish to sincerely apologise to Peter V’landys for any hurt or embarrassment my statements caused him, and I acknowledge the good work he continues to do as CEO, as well as his many contributions to the racing industry for which he so deservedly received the Order od Australia.

Peter Mair
3 March 2014
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: fours on 2020-Mar-03, 09:19 AM
Peter mair,

You continue to make statements without any foundation.

It's why you get called an idiot.

Fours
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Mar-03, 09:57 AM
APOLOGY TO PETER V’LANDYS

I have been asked, and so agree, to cease making defamatory statements about Peter V’landys in any online or other forum and to post the following apology on this forum (www.racehorsetalk.com.au) where the statements appeared.

I previously made some statements criticising Peter V’Landys in his role as CEO of RacingNSW.
Those statements were without foundation. I wish to sincerely apologise to Peter V’landys for any hurt or embarrassment my statements caused him, and I acknowledge the good work he continues to do as CEO, as well as his many contributions to the racing industry for which he so deservedly received the Order od Australia.

Peter Mair
3 March 2014



Yet you continue   :lol:  :tin: :bulb:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Mar-03, 09:58 AM
Has Peter got an Order of Australia?

Perhaps that’s why he’s so, so bitter :bulb:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Mar-03, 10:25 AM


TODAYS DATE -- JUST SIX YEARS AGO


APOLOGY TO PETER V’LANDYS

                                                            ...................

Peter Mair
3 March 2014


Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Mar-03, 01:57 PM

TODAYS DATE -- JUST SIX YEARS AGO


APOLOGY TO PETER V’LANDYS

                                                            ...................

Peter Mair
3 March 2014


Ok, PM. That clears up a few things regarding why I see RVL mentioned a lot with your posts but not much of Racing NSW.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Mar-03, 03:04 PM

TODAYS DATE -- JUST SIX YEARS AGO


APOLOGY TO PETER V’LANDYS

                                                            ...................

Peter Mair
3 March 2014



Makes a mockery of everything you post in these threads.....from every aspect :bleh:

As if anyone needed any proof of that :bulb:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: nemisis on 2020-Mar-03, 05:26 PM
Catalyst is out with a bruised fetlock and going home.

Also from the Australian Guineas......Soul Patch's career finished with a tendon injury and Alabama Express at the vet clinic .
The absolute carnage on Melbourne's metro tracks continue.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2020-Mar-03, 05:45 PM
I'm hoping a few more of the  horse currently in the field fail their vet check.

At the moment other than Alligator Blood and Melody Belle there is not much to enthuse about the horses currently in the race.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Mar-03, 06:21 PM

Six years is a long time -- things change.

No need to name names -- no one-person is responsible for what happens .

RVL went from top-dog in Australian racing to failing -- across the board -- in terms of management and racing policy. Victorian race clubs squabbling for the spoils was up against a coordinated monopoly in NSW.

...... after Rob Hines left in 2012, RVL was a downhill racer ... over the cliff  paying big-bucks for10th.

Conversely, RNSW was going, in a canter, from 2nd to 1st -- putting lengths on RVL.

Some of it was about 'additional funds' for NSW racing but it was mainly about superior tactical  management at RNSW, then effectively 'working' with a one-club ATC.

It was a 'united' front  -- up against a rabble .

I am inclined to discount 'headline names' when the board of RNSW is so bi-partisan politically stacked and coordinated by a former ABC CEO -- the power in the background has been a government determined to buy the racing industry -- probably begging RNSW to ask for more.

All this while RVL was on a road to perdition -- shortening stride dramatically in the run.

RNSW did follow 'over the cliff' with big-bucks for 10th  -- but that did not work to inflate fields as it did in Victoria.

Both RVL and RNSW are to be derided as unbridled monopolists exploiting a captive market -- people like me addicted to racing gambling.

The exploitation is on display day after day -- but especially on Saturdays.

In NSW, highway-robbery races are delivering rough-results in the early quadrellas   -- and the 'get out stakes' is usually a low-grade benchmark event inducing punters to over-bet on the main quadrella.

Even so -- using the Monty benchmark for tipsters --racing in Sydney on Saturdays is a far superior gambling entertainment for most punters.

.............. the contrast with the situation in Melbourne could hardly be more stark .......... the main beneficiaries of RVL policies on inflated fields contesting low-quality racing, with predictably rough-results, are fixed-odds betting operations and betting syndicates.

..... properly advised  most punters would shun Melbourne metropolitan racing ... but most Victorian punters seem to be slow learners  -- unable to grasp that races will not run true to disclosed form.

I now go overseas to avoid 'cup-week' and most Melbourne racing in October. Just a rort!

Occasional Saturdays to the contrary -- like last Saturday -- are rare exceptions.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Mar-03, 06:38 PM

Over-hyped madness is underscored.......... All-Star Mile merchandise on sale now

Who put money up to produce these items offered for sale -- and who will buy them?

Contact details for both lots would be a priceless commercial advantage.


The All-Star Mile merchandise on sale now

The All-Star Mile 2020 official merchandise range is now available to purchase online. A cap, stubby holder, polo t-shirt and vest are available to purchase. Secure your piece today ahead of The All-Star Mile Raceday
.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Mar-03, 06:59 PM
I don’t think Alligator Blood is a shoo in as people think. Streets of Avalon might kick up to lead and depends what happens then. The barrier draw will be important for this.

The field is not bad based on what is available in Australia at the moment except for Te Aku Shark and a few from the Chipping Norton field.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Mar-03, 08:24 PM
Ripper of a field :clap2:
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Mar-03, 10:26 PM


.......kennel kids excel!

'I don’t think' ...............says jeunes --  as if we did not know!

...... and the not wily one is proclaiming a 'ripper of a field' even as it falls away with connections avoiding a run.......... and bradburys hanging in hoping for a bradbury field.

There is no 'breeding value' attaching to the winner of a corrupted race ... as distinct from wining a race for properly qualified runners of lesser value.

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Mar-03, 11:22 PM

.......kennel kids excel!

'I don’t think' ...............says jeunes --  as if we did not know!

...... and the not wily one is proclaiming a 'ripper of a field' even as it falls away with connections avoiding a run.......... and bradburys hanging in hoping for a bradbury field.

There is no 'breeding value' attaching to the winner of a corrupted race ... as distinct from wining a race for properly qualified runners of lesser value.

Couldn’t you make the same argument for the relevance of the Everest or the Golden Eagle to breeding or is that state taboo for you now?

Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Mar-04, 07:16 AM


Could not agree more -- dare-to-be-great promotional stunts are to be deplored.

My views on the stunts pulled by RNSW are readily accessible -- the Everest, as a race, does have some credibility even as the hype and 'free-tickets' stunts reflect poorly on those responsible .

The special offense inherent in the some-stars-mile is the inclusion of runners 'elected' being paid $50,000 for running last and very likely to be an impediment to a fair race.

....the story will unfold over the next two weeks.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Antitab# on 2020-Mar-04, 07:21 AM
Pete

How did the favourite runners perform in the inaugural All Star Mile.

How many people went to Randwick for the three running's of the Everest?

Both seem like brilliant ideas to me that have worked perfectly.
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Mar-04, 05:16 PM
Catalyst out of the All Star Mike.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/catalyst-taken-to-ballarat-vet-clinic-20200303
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Mar-11, 08:01 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/bGWsv0gN/326343-E5-5-B89-4284-B492-E6558-EF58-F7-E.png) (https://postimg.cc/bGWsv0gN)
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Mar-11, 08:04 AM
Bugger, can’t make that 8mage bigger


Cracking good field. Can’t wait for the  race
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: ianb on 2020-Mar-11, 03:19 PM
I'm hoping a few more of the  horse currently in the field fail their vet check.

At the moment other than Alligator Blood and Melody Belle there is not much to enthuse about the horses currently in the race.

Having now seen the emergencies I don't think any of them deserve a start.

Although there is nowhere near the tail that this race had last year, in my opinion the race lacks the genuine class of last year.

When you consider a horse like So Si Bon actually is able to make the field and  not be without a chance of at least running a place (especially if  there is rain about) then the race really does lack quality.



Title: All Star Mile
Post by: firezuki on 2020-Mar-14, 04:02 PM
WA dominate.  These are two very good horses. 


Pike finally salutes away from home. 
Title: All Star Mile
Post by: Peter Mair on 2020-Mar-16, 07:05 PM


NOT HAPPY STEPHEN --  a second offence also misses the mark!

Any idea that RVL should be shielded from  outrage about both 'inflating the field' and -- worse -- including 'voted-in runners' in a WFA event, deserves harsh criticism of any racing 'insider' defending the present conception of the some-star-mile

 It was pretentious nonsense  for RVL to put it up .........and the nonsense only gets worse when some 'insider' becomes complicit in promoting the fundamental nonsense ........ suggesting a further 'tweak' to outlaw rubbish runners cluttering the field.

...... did Melody Belle get  fair go?

ALL STAR MILE GETTING BETTER ... BUT

I reckon there is still a bit of tinkering to do with the All-Star Mile but it certainly appears to have cemented its place on the Australian racing calendar with this year’s edition a step up from 2019.

The West Aussies certainly made their mark taking the quinella with two gun gallopers in Regal Power and Superstorm while 10-time Group I winner Melody Belle flew the Kiwi flag proudly in third.

There were Group I winners littered throughout the field but I’d still prefer to see a further lift in minimum ratings to raise the standard of the bottom rated horses.

As they say in AFL ‘you are only as good as your bottom six’ and in the case of the All-Star Mile the bottom few will continue to hold the race back as they have virtually no hope.


Title: All Star Mile
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Mar-16, 09:03 PM
What’s wrong a Mair, you couldn’t find the winner?  :lol:

Go you good thing :clap2: