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Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Feb-06, 09:06 PM Reply #50 »


RVL is short on brains ...........and long on hope as a strategy.

............... when will someone ring the bell!

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« 2019-Feb-06, 11:37 PM Reply #51 »
PP at least Racing Victoria have to include your selection.

I voted for D'Argento who ran 2nd to Hartnell in the Epsom.He will have to win the Orr Stakes on Saturday and his subsequent start to be any chance of making
the field.
 
And I still maintain there  is no way that Balf's Choice would be able to obtain 2000 votes, under the conditions stipulated ie one vote per person , in 24hours.

I have not checked the specific nature of the rules but does the voting go on email address or people’s name as there is a big difference as a link gets sent to you when you vote?

I voted for Happy Clapper but I doubt if he will get a run being a mature horse that wont have any lead up runs in Melbourne.

The voting is what people would have predicted I,e that people will vote for their horse and so will their friends.

I think the RVL will nominate Alizee, Land of Plenty,Ringerdingding and a smokie in Rekindling. Those are my tips.

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« 2019-Feb-07, 09:20 AM Reply #52 »
Even though it talks about entrants I would suggest Terms 4,5,6,&7 taken together would mean that  an individual person is only allowed to vote once.

The race, as it looks like shaping up at this stage, has lost all credibility so surely RV have to put  the best 4 1600m  horses into the race.

If  Rekindling was to go into the race then it surely would be seen as Rv kowtowing to LLoyd Williams.

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« 2019-Feb-07, 11:56 AM Reply #53 »
If I was the RVL, I would still invite Rekindling as he is a MC winner who has not raced  for more than a year. Thus there will be a lot more interest from the non racing public in a MC winner than Happy Clapper. I would prefer as a racing enthusiast for Happy Clapper to run but it comes down to publicity and appeal for the general public.

More people turned up for Bolt’s a league trial than some matches. Novelty wins the external fans on most occasions.

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« 2019-Feb-07, 03:54 PM Reply #54 »

I think the RVL will nominate Alizee, Land of Plenty,Ringerdingding and a smokie in Rekindling. Those are my tips.

Surely Hartnell would have to be one of the first choices  :what:

Le Romain is another one who doesn't appear to be in the top 10 but as a winner of the Cantala Stks and 2nd last Spring in the same race behind Best Of Days (is he nommed?).

The current top 10 a

1 Urban Ruler 7257
2 The Autumn Sun 6709
3 Grunt 3978
4 Moss 'n' Dale 3422
5 Man of His Word 3238
6 Mr Money Bags 3187
7 Balf's Choice 3086
8 Amphitrite 2899
9 Extra Brut 2891
10 Material Man 2810

The horses that ran the trifecta in the Cantala are all missing from the top 10 - Best Of Days (Goolphin/Cummings), Le Romain (Lees) and Peaceful State (Hayes).

The Epsom placegetters (Hartnell, D'Argento and Unforgotten) are not in the top 10.

The Toorak placegetters aren't there (Land Of Plenty, Hartnell and Siege Of Quebec).

The Doncaster placegetters are not in the top 10 either (Happy Clapper, Comin' Through and Arbeitsam).

Grunt beat Kings Will Dream and Jon Snow in the Makybe Diva - Grunt is third place. KOD is injured?? Jon Snow not there.

None of the placegetters from the Turnbull, George Main, Underwood, Caulfield Stks, Myer Classic or Australian Cup. The exciting Alizee is not a contender.


Of the horses in the top 10.....

Extra Brut was 3rd in the McKinnon - he is in ninth but the two horses that beat him, Trap For Fools and Latrobe are not in the top 10.

The #1 horse Urban Ruler last won in October 2017 in the Dual Choice Plate at Geelong. He was beaten in a Class 6 race at the Sunshine Coast two starts back.

There was a press release a month or two ago saying the The Autumn Sun will race in the traditional 3yo path in Sydney - Hobartville, Randwick Guineas - so the #2 choice and probably the best of the top 10 may not run in it. I reckon they might change their mind.

Grunt is a genuine contender given his love of the Flemington mile.

Moss 'n' Dale won the $500k Craven Plate at Randwick last start on a Heavy 9 and the listed Tokyo City in Adelaide the start before so probably has some claims.

Man Of His Word is a 6yo gelding trained at Tuerong who won a listed mile race in Brisbane in 2016 - hasn't won a race since.

Balf's Choice won a BM90 race 3 starts back in Adelaide.

Amphritite is the current 1000 Guineas champion.

Extra Brut looked to be an exciting prospect but given the events in recent days you have to wonder. His failure in the Norman Robinson in between convincing wins attracted a few comments at the time.

Material Man is a Group winner in WA.

Given the conditions RVL is going to be struggling to get a credible field together. Unless there are massive changes in the voting patterns they will have to choose 4 horses from some very high calibre candidates.

At this stage and as things stand I'd go for Alizee, Hartnell, Unforgotten and Le Romain. And that is leaving out some pretty handy horses.


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« 2019-Feb-07, 04:38 PM Reply #55 »
Best of Days will win 2 in a row and get an invite.
Resumes on Saturday  :thumbsup:

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« 2019-Feb-07, 05:55 PM Reply #56 »
PP, you have some good picks in your four but there will be politics at play.

Hartnell is one of my favourites but Australian Guineas will have an impact as will the next few weeks.

I do like Hartnell, Le Romain, Happy Clapper and D’Argento as they are good solid horses.

If Ringerdingding goes well in the Guineas, he will be a huge chance as a 3yo while Land of Plenty will be in if he goes well over his next two starts.

The unknown is the Weir factor ie will they pick any ex Weir runners and I am including Amphrite and Extra Brut in the list if they drop out of the top 10.

Speaking of top 10, I envisage an eBay like Auction for the final day of voting where everyone waits for the last few minutes to ramp up the numbers.

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« 2019-Feb-09, 05:33 PM Reply #57 »
The voting will be interesting after today’s racing.

There were some good runs today from outside the top 10. Next week is the Apollo Stakes and we will see a few Sydney horses stepping out.

Only a few hundred votes seperate 4-11 and with $90k minimum for the top 10, it is a big pay day for some.

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« 2019-Feb-11, 09:19 AM Reply #58 »
I've got a perfect solution to saving this race. Instead of selecting the first 10 in the votes select the horses situated in positions 8- 17.

This would then eliminate the five horses who are in the top 10 and are clearly not up to the class.

This would then give you:

Material Man, Amphitrie, Balf's Choice,Extra Brut,Alizee, Land of Plenty,Ringerdingding,Mystic Journey,Penny to Sell and Happy Clapper.

That only leaves 2 horses who are clearly not up to the standard. The next step is to eliminate Balf's Choice as it cannot have obtained those 2 000 votes legitimately over a 24 hour period last week .  Tom Melbourne who is 18th can take his place.

All RV have to do then is select The Autumn Sun and Grunt and 2 out of Hartnell, Le Romain and Redkirk Warrior.

The race has still got the feel good story of Penny to Sell who would clearly run last unless one of the other 13 runners injured itself.


« Last Edit: 2019-Feb-11, 10:08 AM by ianb »

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« 2019-Feb-11, 10:05 AM Reply #59 »
That should have been positions 8-17 not 7 - 14. I better amend the above.

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« 2019-Feb-11, 06:53 PM Reply #60 »
The race to number 1 has got more interesting with long time leader Urban Ruler being overtaken by Autumn Sun. This will please the RVL even though Autumn Sun is doubtful. I think stud value more than prizemoney will be more important to the owners.

Less than 7 days left and I think position 10 will have at least 5000 votes.

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« 2019-Feb-12, 07:04 PM Reply #61 »

'OCRACY" -- DEM or MOCK


Urban Ruler's prominence in voting has come about thanks to a reported 800 people in his ownership group, which races under the Hancox Racing No 7 Ltd syndicate.

He's not the only syndicated horse with a supposed lesser standing that has catapulted himself into voting prominence - Man Of His Word and Mr Money Bags are two others that loom large for a spot in the race for which there is a guaranteed $90,000 to connections for running last.

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« 2019-Feb-13, 02:39 AM Reply #62 »
As at 12th February

Pos Horse Votes
1 The Autumn Sun 8370
2 Urban Ruler 8057
3 Grunt 5330
4 Moss 'n' Dale 4037
5 Man of His Word 3969
6 Foundry 3913
7 Alizee 3864
8 Mr Money Bags 3849
9 Material Man 3807
10 Amphitrite 3730

Ladbrokes Market

Alizee 4.40
Land Of Plenty 6.00
The Autumn Sun 7.50
Mystic Journey 8.00
Grunt 10.00
Happy Clapper 11.00
Extra Brut 15.00
Ringerdingding 15.00
Amphitrite 17.00
D'Argento 17.00
Hartnell 17.00
Brutal 21.00
Homesman 21.00
Le Romain 21.00
Material Man 21.00
Shoals 21.00
Tom Melbourne 21.00
Best Of Days 26.00
Manuel 26.00
Melody Belle 26.00
Moss 'N' Dale 26.00
Shillelagh 26.00
Unforgotten 26.00
Brave Smash 31.00
Fifty Stars 31.00
Madison County 31.00
I Am A Star 41.00
Johannes Vermeer 41.00
Oohood 41.00
Oregon's Day 41.00
Rekindling 41.00
Trap For Fools 41.00
Verry Elleegant 41.00

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« 2019-Feb-13, 08:43 AM Reply #63 »

Fixing this unfolding farce


.............. Does RVL have any room to move...........or does if have to hold tight and 'honour' a bad mistake?

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« 2019-Feb-13, 08:57 AM Reply #64 »
Doesn’t need fixing this year

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« 2019-Feb-13, 11:52 AM Reply #65 »
Elliott flags All-Star Mile rating change

Victoria Racing Club Chairman Amanda Elliott thinks a change to the minimum rating requirement for The All-Star Mile is necessary moving forward with the world's richest mile race.

More than 100,000 votes have already been cast towards the $5 million race in its inaugural year, rocketing the 110-rated The Autumn Sun to first spot.

But concerns have been raised regarding the quality of the field, with the 77-rated Urban Ruler currently in second position.

Speaking on RSN927's Racing Pulse on Wednesday morning, Elliott agreed that there's been an uneasiness surrounding the minimum rating requirement of 70 to get into the March 16 race.

"I think that it would be fair to say that the rating of 70 has probably shone a light on what could be a problem," Elliott said.

"You know it's the first year, it's a very interesting concept, it's a popular concept and we need to tweak it probably and I think that will be done hopefully, probably in a horse rating sense and probably should be.


https://www.racing.com/news/2019-02-13/news-elliott-flags-all-star-mile-rating-change

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« 2019-Feb-13, 06:06 PM Reply #66 »

A no-star stuff-up

The 'wily one' saying

Doesn’t need fixing this year

..................................reveals role as unthinking administrator's pal

Victoria Racing Club Chairman Amanda Elliott admits:

"I think that it would be fair to say that the rating of 70 has probably shone a light on what could be a problem,"


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« 2019-Feb-13, 06:19 PM Reply #67 »
There are clearly more problems with this race  than simply upping the ratings.

Take the ex Lloyd Williams' horse Foundry for instance - he has a rating of 101, which he earned mainly by running in staying races. He hasn't raced for more than a year but is currently in 9th place.

There is no way he can be competitive in this race but because of his multitude of new owners he may yet get a start and simply by running will earn $90 000.

Another problem is the bribery - sorry marketing which has Man of His Word in 6th place. No one should be allowed to offer any financial inducement to get horses into the race.

And then I come back to Balf's Choice - now thank goodness in 12th place. Has anyone explained how he achieved 2 000 votes in 24 hours last week?

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« 2019-Feb-13, 06:38 PM Reply #68 »
There are apt criticism of the voting process especially with the lower end of the spectrum and $90k for running last.

But at least we are talking about a 1600m WFA race that if run as a normal nomination race would not garner much attention. Like the Everest, there are positives and negatives for it.

If we reduced the number of G1 races around the country and improved cohesion around Australian racing, we could have a grand circuit of races for different ages and sexes. Then again Santa Claus could be real too.

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« 2019-Feb-13, 08:08 PM Reply #69 »
Dear everyone

Remember me?

I wish we had this field selection process back in my day.

Regards

Cole Diesel

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« 2019-Feb-13, 08:31 PM Reply #70 »
JWH, Correct me if I am wrong , but didn't the horse you referred to win the Toorak and then the Caulfield Cup in successive starts before the "boxheads " who run MVRC declare he was not good enough to run in their Cox Plate. Nothing much has changed with Racing Administration. Still run by cretins.

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« 2019-Feb-13, 09:02 PM Reply #71 »
Cole Diesel was a good horse. CC win below.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=anO58BUSNxE

1989 Cox plate but you got to watch it for a bit. Good race.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEJcw9Q5yOI

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« 2019-Feb-13, 09:23 PM Reply #72 »
Jeunes, with all due respect I think he was a bit better than a "good horse ". Your standards are a bit different to mine.  A "good horse " is one that can win 4 or 5 Saturday metro races. Toorak and Caulfield Cup winners go into a different barn.

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« 2019-Feb-13, 09:56 PM Reply #73 »
Gun, you are right. I forgot the very. His wins were damn good.

It was a different era back then due to the lack of poker machine type racing like we have now. We could savour the races and relive some of the runs.

I maybe guilty of nostalgia but these days a group 1 race is usually followed within minutes by a race at a minor meeting.

Flip side is Sky Thoroughbred or Racing com channel do give good coverage.

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« 2019-Feb-13, 10:10 PM Reply #74 »
How true Jeunes. I don't mind poker machine type racing . As a punter I view every race as an opportunity. Hopefully if we can both find another 20 years we can look back at the current racing with similar nostalgia. Here's hoping !


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