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Offline Jeunes

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« 2019-Feb-13, 11:06 PM Reply #75 »
How true Jeunes. I don't mind poker machine type racing . As a punter I view every race as an opportunity. Hopefully if we can both find another 20 years we can look back at the current racing with similar nostalgia. Here's hoping !

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« 2019-Feb-14, 11:27 AM Reply #76 »
https://www.racing.com/news/2019-02-14/news-all-star-audit-reveals-illegal-voting

Some of those in the top ten couldn't keep up with group winners yet they're likely to be in Urban Ruler last at Doomben at its last run and the others out.... Autumn Sun the top rater is unlikely if that's the case why submit him in the first place  just a wasted vote. :thumbsd:

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« 2019-Feb-14, 12:27 PM Reply #77 »
https://www.racing.com/news/2019-02-14/news-all-star-audit-reveals-illegal-voting

Some of those in the top ten couldn't keep up with group winners yet they're likely to be in Urban Ruler last at Doomben at its last run and the others out.... Autumn Sun the top rater is unlikely if that's the case why submit him in the first place  just a wasted vote. :thumbsd:

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Well it gets interesting from a punting perspective doesn't it.

Amphitrite has dropped out of the top 10 but is effectively in the top 10 if you accept that The Autumn Sun won't run.

11 - Amphitrite (David, Ben Hayes & Tom Dabernig) 3971
12 - Balf's Choice (Ryan Balfour) 3542
13 - Land of Plenty (Ciaron Maher & David Eustace) 3284
14 - Tom Melbourne (Chris Waller) 3036
15 - Mystic Journey (Adam Trinder) 2862
16 - Ringerdingding (Chris Waller) 2720
17 - Happy Clapper (Patrick Webster) 2135
18 - Penny to Sell (Mick Sell) 1817
19 - Hellova Street (Scott Brunton) 1402
20 - Hartnell (James Cummings) 1275

I would be confident that Hartnell would get a nod from the VRC. Taken $20 which I think is overs considering his first up run in the Expressway.

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« 2019-Feb-14, 04:06 PM Reply #78 »
There are clearly more problems with this race  than simply upping the ratings.

Take the ex Lloyd Williams' horse Foundry for instance - he has a rating of 101, which he earned mainly by running in staying races. He hasn't raced for more than a year but is currently in 9th place.

There is no way he can be competitive in this race but because of his multitude of new owners he may yet get a start and simply by running will earn $90 000.

Another problem is the bribery - sorry marketing which has Man of His Word in 6th place. No one should be allowed to offer any financial inducement to get horses into the race.

And then I come back to Balf's Choice - now thank goodness in 12th place. Has anyone explained how he achieved 2 000 votes in 24 hours last week?

Well here's another problem with the race. Greg Carpenter says they have identified 2 500 invalid votes but it does not compromise the first 20 horses. Surely he must realise that if those votes were on the any of the first 10 horses at least another 5 000 votes were made on those horses.

Why? Because countless people are voting for horses in the top 10 so they can have a free trip to Melbourne.

I know it is too late now but surely those 2500 votes should be removed now - not after voting has closed.

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« 2019-Feb-14, 04:21 PM Reply #79 »
Ianb, I think they are going to review the isp addresses from all votes and all multiple votes will be eliminated


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« 2019-Feb-14, 04:43 PM Reply #80 »
Wily, I have no doubt they are going to do that. However Glen Carpenter has been quoted as saying he will wait until the voting has closed before removing the multiple votes.

Horses in the top 10 or 15 are continuing to gain legitimate votes from people wanting to vote for a horse who is actually a chance of making the top 10.

If the illegal votes were removed now, people might be more inclined to vote for those better horses who are around positions 15 to 25.

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« 2019-Feb-14, 06:12 PM Reply #81 »

This shambles is not a 'GLITCH'

                                                              ...... and RVL did not wake up until a punter rang the media.

Racing Victoria is conducting an audit of the All-Star Mile voting process after it was revealed there was a glitch that has allowed individuals to vote multiple times.

RV has now reportedly removed the loophole which was exposed after a punter contacted Melbourne radio station RSN and said he had been able to vote multiple times under different email addresses.

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« 2019-Feb-14, 07:30 PM Reply #82 »
Thanks 4 the input harry hindsight   :lol:

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« 2019-Feb-14, 07:39 PM Reply #83 »

Will a 'blackout' pull the shades on a surprise recasting of the field?

RVL should just give a couple of rorters $90,000 to go away to rescue some semblance of a credible race.

RVL goes from bad to worse in the problem-management skills department -- we now need UN observers to monitor developments behind the blackout screen.

Voting for the All-Star Mile will close on Monday with a leaderboard blackout to take place over the weekend, commencing at midday on Friday.

Carpenter said the implementation of the blackout had always been the plan in order to build suspense before the announcement of the top 10 next week.

Urban Ruler, who sits second on the leaderboard, has been the subject of much discussion with the Munce-trained galloper holding a handicap rating of just 77.

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« 2019-Feb-14, 08:13 PM Reply #84 »
Ianb, I think they are going to review the isp addresses from all votes and all multiple votes will be eliminated

That could be interesting because some people could argue that mates could use the same computer at a friends place etc to vote when visiting them.

It will be a lot more accurate if they delayed the verification email by a hour or more. This means more chance of genuine votes as the ones trying to vote a lot in a day with fake emails etc would have to write passwords and logins etc to check and more cumbersome.

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« 2019-Feb-14, 08:47 PM Reply #85 »


Forget the delving into complexities,

.............. can we just agree that RVL made a big mess of what was intended to be a big race?

Next -- can we be told that someone at RVL was made accountable for the stuff-up and that, next year, the excitement of scoring a point against RNSW will be subordinated to proper administration.

When will the bell ring on an RVL admin out of its depth?

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« 2019-Feb-15, 06:54 AM Reply #86 »
 I don't know what has  happened to me over night but  I actually agree with your last posting Peter.

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« 2019-Feb-17, 01:21 PM Reply #87 »
I voted for The Autumn Sun which isn't a runner apparently but I still get reminders to vote maybe the organisers feel sorry for me ....but I haven't bothered to test the exclusion system  and looking at the list nothing appeals very strongly maybe Happy Clapper although the poorly spellled Verry Elleegant would be a big chance after it showed up yesterday with a flashing second.

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« 2019-Feb-18, 10:36 AM Reply #88 »
Might yet not be too late for "Her Winxness" by today's press

Would upset a few  :whistle:

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« 2019-Feb-18, 01:18 PM Reply #89 »
Well let's hope she does get into the race.

It is the only way this year's race can be saved and it could also save the jobs of some people working for RV.

Somehow I doubt this will happen though. It would be the only time, other than the 2016 Doncaster, where Winx was  given a real challenge in the 30 run series.

Let's make it clear here though, I class her as the best horse that has run in Australia in my 54 years of following racing. It's just they haven't bothered to take  any risks with her ie she hasn't raced out of her optimum distance range (1400 to 2200) or been  tried  over seas.

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« 2019-Feb-18, 01:45 PM Reply #90 »
Let's make it clear here though, I class her as the best horse that has run in Australia in my 54 years of following racing. It's just they haven't bothered to take  any risks with her ie she hasn't raced out of her optimum distance range (1400 to 2200) or been  tried  over seas.

Which has been the world's best horse over the past 10-20 years or so?

Frankel,, maybe?

Ove what distances did he run and how far was he travelled to compete?

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« 2019-Feb-18, 01:59 PM Reply #91 »
I was thinking more of a comparison with  Australian horses like Black Caviar and So You Think who both went overseas and won.

The other horse that I had in mind was Kingston Town who would  win first up over 1200m but also ran ran 2nd in a  Melbourne Cup.

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« 2019-Feb-18, 02:19 PM Reply #92 »
Hmmm,

I like a barely known WA horse that ran second in a Group 2 at 11 years of age....

Different criteria to most for sure.

Fours

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« 2019-Feb-18, 03:34 PM Reply #93 »
I was thinking more of a comparison with  Australian horses like Black Caviar and So You Think who both went overseas and won.

The other horse that I had in mind was Kingston Town who would  win first up over 1200m but also ran ran 2nd in a  Melbourne Cup.

What distances did Black Caviar run over  :/

The reason we are still seeing Winx (and the reason we got to see so much of Black Caviar) is that they were looked after - which is the norm for the very best these days.

The days of horses running in the Caulfied Cup, Cox Plate, Cup then QE2 (like Gunsynd did in 1972) are long gone.

Put it this way. If Geoff Murphy trained Winx I'd doubt she would have raced much past being a 5YO.

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« 2019-Feb-18, 04:11 PM Reply #94 »
My point was that the first 2 went overseas and Kingston Town didn't but was able to win from 1200 to 3200.

Winx did neither.

I am sure the connections of Winx have learnt from what Black Caviar did. I also think that Peter Moody saw what he did with Typhoon Tracey and thought I can do better with Black Caviar by not taking risks.

It is probably more to do with the fact that almost every horse in Australia has Northern Dancer in their breeding now and therefore the breed is not as hardy as it used to be.  And don't forget steroids were rife in the 60s and 70s.

So You Think is only 7 or so years ago and he ran in the  Melbourne Cup after winning his second Cox Plate. No doubt if he had remained with Bart he would have had a seasoned Autumn campaign as well.

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« 2019-Feb-18, 04:51 PM Reply #95 »
I agree with you ianb

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« 2019-Feb-18, 05:06 PM Reply #96 »
Okay,  Black Caviar ran once overseas but she was held to distances she was proven at.

Winx has been criticised that" she avoided her main competition"but just like Kingston Town her campaign was mapped and the supposed" top opponents" had their campaigns mapped to avoid her not the reverse.





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« 2019-Feb-18, 06:34 PM Reply #97 »
Okay,  Black Caviar ran once overseas but she was held to distances she was proven at.

Winx has been criticised that" she avoided her main competition"but just like Kingston Town her campaign was mapped and the supposed" top opponents" had their campaigns mapped to avoid her not the reverse.

I donít think Winx has avoided any of her main competition.

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« 2019-Feb-18, 08:23 PM Reply #98 »
all they had to do was go to the ARC last year , prob solved

easy to say !

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« 2019-Feb-18, 09:00 PM Reply #99 »
The latest on the Mile with betting to be suspended.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/racing/racing-victoria-asks-bookies-to-suspend-betting-on-the-all-star-mile-20190218-p50ymr.html

Winx and Autumn Sun will not be running if reports are correct.


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