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Offline wily ole dog

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« 2019-Feb-27, 11:13 AM Reply #125 »
More will be revealed when Mystic Journey wins the Guineas on Saturday.
The voting public and the race club will have to hang their heads in disgrace

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« 2019-Feb-27, 12:57 PM Reply #126 »
More will be revealed when Mystic Journey wins the Guineas on Saturday.
The voting public and the race club will have to hang their heads in disgrace

Check out Ringadingding's last 400 last week Wily  :whistle:

Regardless, what a cracking field  :thumbsup:

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« 2019-Feb-27, 06:08 PM Reply #127 »
What I find interesting about the Guineas is that, of the 30 odd horses who ran in the Caulfield and Thousand Guineas only Amphitrite is backing up.

I do notice however that 1st,2nd and 3rd from the Derby are in the race.

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« 2019-Feb-28, 07:04 PM Reply #128 »

...............the degeneration of this thread is indicative of the sense of incompetence to follow the race

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« 2019-Feb-28, 07:28 PM Reply #129 »
What I find interesting about the Guineas is that, of the 30 odd horses who ran in the Caulfield and Thousand Guineas only Amphitrite is backing up.

I do notice however that 1st,2nd and 3rd from the Derby are in the race.

Extra Brut will join a select field if he wins.

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« 2019-Mar-02, 04:09 PM Reply #130 »
More will be revealed when Mystic Journey wins the Guineas on Saturday.
The voting public and the race club will have to hang their heads in disgrace

Go you champ. I luv ya :no1:

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« 2019-Mar-02, 08:47 PM Reply #131 »


.............. even Monty had MJ on top ................ but does it have any relevance to the no-star-nonsense?

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« 2019-Mar-02, 09:14 PM Reply #132 »
Mystic Journey would be a great pick but do the connections race her if they get an invite or go for a few softer options against her age or sex.

I would lean towards Ringerdingding too for an invite after today’s race. Hartnell should be in the mix too.

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« 2019-Mar-02, 10:15 PM Reply #133 »
Connections of MJ have said prior to today that they were interested in running, so I guess (assuming they do get a wild card) it will only depend on her pulling up well from today.
« Last Edit: 2019-Mar-03, 02:11 PM by sobig »

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« 2019-Mar-03, 01:12 PM Reply #134 »
Mystic Journey would be a great pick but do the connections race her if they get an invite or go for a few softer options against her age or sex.

I would lean towards Ringerdingding too for an invite after today’s race. Hartnell should be in the mix too.

Surely they can't pick Ringerdingding - he's a Group2 winner with his 2 attempts at Group1 resulting in a 10th and a 4th placing.

I suspect that the connections of Mystic Journey would want their horse to represent Tasmania. If Hartnell is not selected, then RVL should not worry about trying to fix the All Star Mile next year but  simply not bother with the race ever again.

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« 2019-Mar-03, 09:15 PM Reply #135 »


No captians picks

The farce of the no-stars-nonsense can only be corrected by abandoning the race and giving all 'elected' runners $90,000.

To now proceed to run a race with so 'unqualified' runners is to risk derision.

............. the state government needs to intervene to clean out RVL and restore order to Melbourne racing.




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« 2019-Mar-04, 01:39 PM Reply #136 »
Wild cards announced this morning.

Mystic Journey
Hartnell
Hawkshot

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« 2019-Mar-04, 06:11 PM Reply #137 »
Field for All-Star Mile:

Happy Clapper (Trainer: Pat Webster)

Hartnell (James Cummings)

Material Man (Justin Warwick)

Grunt (Mick Price)

Moss ‘N’ Dale (Peter Gelagotis)

Foundry (Terry Kelly)

Man Of His Word (Dean Krongold)

Balf’s Choice (Ryan Balfour)

Mr Money Bags (Robbie Griffiths)

Urban Ruler (Chris Munce)

Alizee (James Cummings)

Hawkshot (David & Ben Hayes & Tom Dabernig)

Mystic Journey (Adam Trinder)

Amphitrite (David & Ben Hayes & Tom Dabernig)

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2019-Mar-04, 06:35 PM Reply #138 »
Bit surprised regarding Hawkshot but then again no recognised leader otherwise too.

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« 2019-Mar-05, 12:37 PM Reply #139 »
For mine there are only 4 horses that I could consider backing and it will come down to the price offered compared to the price I assess them at as to which horse my money is on, the Horses are Happy Clapper, Alizee, Hartnell and Grunt, they are the proven class in the race, that is not to say they are the only chances though and if the price ain't right I may not even bet in the race,
This race has a really long tail, even Foundry who is a Group One winner and does go well fresh at times could surprise, hard to see it but will be well into triple figures and would love to see it win, just to see Pete's head explode!!

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Mar-05, 08:13 PM Reply #140 »

Napoleon and Churchill made mistakes

RVL has joined many mistakers -- will they surrender before the defeat is played out?

............. RVL does NOT make mistakes!

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« 2019-Mar-05, 11:51 PM Reply #141 »
Bit surprised regarding Hawkshot but then again no recognised leader otherwise too.

Happy Clapper has a poor record in Melbourne. He is obviously an exceptional horse - he has won a Doncaster-Epsom double which is a highly recognized feat in itself, and also run 2nd in both races.

Then you can add a Canterbury Stakes to his Group 1 resume. A Villiers wiin and seconds to "the great mare" twice over a mile (and a Ryder as well) makes his mile credentials beyond question.

His only placed effort in 5 Melbourne runs was 2nd to Tosen Stardom in the 2017 McKinnon. He bled from both nostrils in his last Melbourne start.

Having said all that, and referring to Jeunes point about pace, why wouldn't they ride him a bit aggressively like they did in the Chipping Norton?

There are effectively only about 5 or 6 open class Group 1 horses in the race (of which he is one) and the way Flemington plays sometimes it is hard to get past the horse on the rails up front.

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« 2019-Mar-09, 05:12 PM Reply #142 »

RVL just does not get it -- this farce should never be repeated

Surely no one at RVL would give credibility to the promotional nonsense for a race that should not be run except to honour a promise that should never have been made.

Is starry-eyed publicity of this ilk to continue for the next week?

What demographic does RVL believe is its target audience?

                                              ................ the richest mile race in the world.

Flemington will erupt with excitement on All-Star Mile Raceday when the richest 1600m race in the world is run by horses selected by fans and a huge party ignites the famous Front Lawn.

In a first for Australian racing, fans have determined ten runners of the 14 in the nation’s newest feature race, the $5 million The All-Star Mile (1600m), with a further four wildcard entries. ........................ not only will it be the richest mile in the world but set to be one of the most thrilling.


It’s just one week until Flemington erupts with excitement
on The All-Star Mile Raceday on Saturday 16 March, 2019 –

Show us your All-Star Mile style by dressing in colours to support your favourite all-star horse.


As an exclusive voter offer, Victoria Racing Club is offering you 50%*^ off general admission tickets.


There is something gone well awry at RVL.


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« 2019-Mar-09, 09:09 PM Reply #143 »
I just checked the Tab pre noms market for The Ryder and it is an interesting market.

The 2nd fav Autumn Sun is headed towards the Guineas, 3rd and 4th Fav Alizee and Happy Clapper are booked for the Mile so cant see them backing up. Kemetari is 5th fav but had a shocker today.

If the Mile was designed to take some horses and attention away from the Sydney Autumn carnival, it certainly has worked.

The depth is not there and I feel for the quality in a few years for the carnivals if the clashes between Sydney and Melbourne continue.


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« 2019-Mar-10, 09:07 AM Reply #144 »

.....................the clashes between Sydney and Melbourne

After RNSW put a bulldozer through RVL -- as reflected in the quality of the races now run -- the attempt to hit back, with the shambles of no-star nonsense, has only emphasized the incompetence of RVL.


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« 2019-Mar-10, 05:29 PM Reply #145 »

The best race to be run this year!

How wrong can one be -- my misgivings are misplaced.

A senior Racing Victoria official has declared next Saturday’s inaugural $5million All-Star Mile at Flemington is “the strongest race in Australia so far in 2019.”

There have been 12 Group Is run and won in Australia this year by turf stars including Winx, The Autumn Sun, Alizee and Sunlight but Greg Carpenter insists the All-Star Mile is a stronger race than all of them.


https://www.racenet.com.au/news/big-call--all-star-mile-strongest-race-in-australia-so-far-in-2019-20190310

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« 2019-Mar-10, 09:22 PM Reply #146 »
There is an interesting theory behind the strongest race concept as told to me by someone as I have not analysed it so far.

With reserves etc, there is a chance there is more G1 winners racing in the All Star Mile than any other race. So it is not the quality based on Winx races but sheer G1 winners.

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« 2019-Mar-11, 10:59 AM Reply #147 »
There is no point in considering the reserves when it is highly unlikely that they will get a run. All Carpenter has to do, to see what a farce the race is, is to compare the field with the actual runners in the Orr Stakes.

If the 3 year olds run the placings then I'll be more than happy to say I was wrong.  I suspect I won't be though. 

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« 2019-Mar-11, 01:33 PM Reply #148 »

Can we see the RVL file on the development of the ASM race,

.... to see the rationale, the expectations, the confidence that the customers would vote seriously rather than game the system, the prospect of racegoers wearing special colours et al et al

Or do we have to wait for the royal commission.

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« 2019-Mar-11, 02:47 PM Reply #149 »
Get on the board and you’ll be able to see everything in the decision making process. Oh, that’s right, that’s what you’re angling for  :lol:

You’ll be right at home Peter , in amongst all that self interest that you claim exists :bulb:


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