That is true PP but the second horse is a 3yo

From what David Vandyke has said, it is clear that there are some fillies and mares in Queensland who are being given regumate/ovumate.  I think the punter should be made aware of which fillies or mares have been given it. I hope it is not something like half the female population. If it is, it  is obviously a major rort.

I have been punting, since the rule was introduced a year and a half ago, with the assumption that female horses from NSW are permitted to use the drug and Qld & Victoria weren't.

Obviously a false assumption.

The Qld  stewards should make a list of the fillies/mares who have been administered Regumate/ovumate and publish it before each meeting.

Apparently it's used to calm down stallions.

If anyone's on Twitter it's worthwhile looking up #alligatorblood & some of the posts from one of it's part owners Allan Endresz

Story here in the AFR about him --> https://www.afr.com/world/paradise-papers-the-cook-islands-millionaire-who-never-has-to-pay-his-debts-20180322-h0xuln

Thanks mate.

Calms them down by making them more "female"???

Doesn't sound performance enhancing.

Interesting thread on Thoroughbred Village from 2011 talking about the drug and many conflicting opinions.

http://forum.thoroughbredvillage.com.au/regumate-altrenogest_topic41573_page2.html

This comment was one that took my interest but not much expansion and no-one commented on it.

The problem with this drug is not performance enhancing? Is that the cocktails of drugs can become masking agents for more sinister happenings.

The poor grammar makes it hard to understand what he is actually saying.

Nothing much wrong with the grammar other than an inappropriate question mark and a missing 'It" to commence the next sentence.

Nothing much wrong with the grammar other than an inappropriate question mark and a missing 'It" to commence the next sentence.

The problem with this drug is not performance enhancing? Is that the cocktails of drugs can become masking agents for more sinister happenings.

i) The first sentence becomes semantically nonsensical because he appears to be making a statement then adds a question mark at the end.

Is he meaning

"The problem with this drug is that it is not performance enhancing" - in which case he is missing 'that it is'. If that is what he meant to say then re-reading it, it doesn't make sense.

Why is there a "problem" with the drug if it is not performance enhancing? I don't understand. He appears to be saying that those that want to give their horses performance enhancing drugs should use something other than Regumate.

Who is this guy? Some modern day Laurie Connell?

Or does he mean something else?

ii) The second sentence is far worse than you are making out.

He starts with the words "Is that...". We usually start sentences with "Is that..." when we are asking a question e.g. "Is that the way to San Jose?" or "Is that not the way I should be doing things?"

He appears to be making a statement that by giving a horse a cocktail of drugs (which includes Regumate) it effectively becomes a masking agent for more sinister drugs.


If that is what he is saying (very badly) then my question to the forum is anyone aware of this methodology of using a cocktail of drugs, one of which is Regumate, to mask the usage of other drugs?

I notice I haven't got a reply which suggests that either the thread is not being read by the right people, or his statement is bullshit.

I'm no expert in chemistry or horse physiology, but in this day and age of molecular level testing of blood and urine samples you'd think it would be very strange logic to give a horse a cocktail of drugs, then give it a performance enhancing drug thinking that the former would mask the latter.

PP, you better lay off the forensic approach to grammar.
You got form, for misinterpretation.    

Most of the gear available for horses are "performance enhancing" aren't they?

Blinkers. winkers, lugging bits, stallion chains, tongue ties...…………...

I’m not sure if Regumate, Ovumate or Altrenogest are masking agents?. They are banned in all states in Australia (except NSW) due to the Anabolic Steroid that has now been found in it. It is mainly used to delay and control a mares menstrual cycle and hence make them easier to handle. It’s terrible stuff. If the smallest amount gets onto the skin of a female stable hand it can alter their period, It’s been reported that some females have had no menstrual cycle for up to 12months after coming into contact with it. The reason NSW never fell into line and banned its use like the rest of the country was because of WINX and her trainers use of it. We all know how many bums on seats she accounted for!. We also know her trainer religiously uses LASIX on his horses. Although not being illegal, it is commonly known as the best MASKING AGENT on the market, although, he claims it stops horses from bleeding. Does every single horse bleed in his stable???. There is proof that it can help a bleeder, but giving it to every single one of his horses after a final gallop???. The Americans swear by the stuff and we know how juiced up to the eyeballs those poor animals are. Anyway, the stuff that has been found in Alligator Blood is banned in QLD and should have never been in the stable. It can quiet MARES down. Some say it can quiet COLTS down?. The horse in question is a GELDING and hasn’t had any testosterone running through his veins in a long time. His trainer has form in this area going back to 1990 where he received 2 years for a positive, has copped fines of up to $12,000, and cost his owners $99,000 when Yankee Rose tested positive.

Yankee Rose was 2017