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Offline Peter Mair

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O.P. « 2020-Apr-24, 09:40 PM »


Are racing media 'journalists' any good as tipsters?


It is taken for granted that racing-media  'journalists' are given prominence as tipsters.

For a group so beholden to the dictum of Disneyland's 'Thumper-the-rabbit  -- don't say anything, unless you say something nice ---  one might hope they could redeem some credibility by 'tipping 'successfully'.

We just do not know -- but we suspect not.

Not to be rude -- insiders close to the action should be better than most -- I suspect that most 'newspaper tips' do not fare well in predicting race results including the 'favourites'.

It is not as if their tips are not published -- rather the question is 'does anyone monitor the performance of particular journalists'    - and, if so, what does the record show?

While a relevant enough question -- a related inquiry would ask if 'any one' seemed to be uncannily 'on the money' when tipping what looks like a 'long-shot' .

I am inclined to think that 'a lead man' would be given the privilege of 'leaking' -- as a tip -- a bit of insider help, a 'leg-up' if you like, in selecting a winner.

....... more generally, race tipsters should be routinely accountable for their success, or not.

Winning Post was/is? exemplary in this regard -- Richie Rich declared his performance.

............. we are told if anyone 'has a great day' on the tip -- but the overall performance should be monitored and routinely published -- perhaps separately disclosing 'best bet' outcomes.

 

Offline arthur

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« 2020-Apr-25, 08:24 AM Reply #1 »
Sounds like a good job for a bloke about your size . .

You could give us a weekly, or perhaps a monthly breakdown

I'd be very interested in learning from the journos who are privy to the 'oil' on those 'longshots' . .

They may well be the ones driving the 'Mercs' so should be relatively easy to spot

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« 2020-Apr-25, 08:46 AM Reply #2 »
Well spotted Arthur. Itís just Mair trying angle his way back in.
Believe me, heíd screw that job up as well

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« 2020-Apr-25, 09:45 AM Reply #3 »
Ahem,

Anyone privy to ''inside info'' that gives it away would soon see that info dry up all together OR start receiving false info instead.

Some people have NIL common sense.

Fours

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« 2020-Apr-25, 10:05 AM Reply #4 »
Maybe Mair could make himself useful and enter the forums tipping comp.

You know Pete, the forum you use

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« 2020-Apr-25, 07:42 PM Reply #5 »
Based on the CM tips three tipsters just their on top selections for the Sunshine Coast  the first guy tipped two on top both short priced the second guy got three all short priced favourites while the third guy only hit one also favourite..the Sydney tipsters in order tipped one two and two Flemington was worse one one and one all in different races ..a shortcut to the shxx house following any of them.... LGHR tips are pay for view but generally do a lot better than the online and paper guys today he had 3 on top in SC 2 on top at Rosehill and 3 in Flemington including the last winner.

My blackbookers for today were Debt Agent R8 Flemington which did no good...... Ballistic Boy and Wapiti in R6 at the SC I backed the second one... Baccarat Baby in R7 ran second and Red Chase R8 which won but I didn't back it...... had it going in the Quaddie with a couple but left the winner out the best of mine could only ran second so no money today.

Giddy Up :beer:
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Offline Peter Mair

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« 2020-Apr-27, 11:32 AM Reply #6 »



..........maybe they are tipsters but moonlighting as journalists.

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« 2020-Apr-29, 09:02 PM Reply #7 »

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« 2020-Apr-29, 09:21 PM Reply #10 »
So did Donald Duck but you still listened  :lol:

Offline nemisis

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« 2020-Apr-29, 09:57 PM Reply #11 »
Richie Rich had a skinner today

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-warwick-farm-wednesday-20200428
Richie might need to look at the breeding a bit closer.

Harpo Marx - $3.3 fav and son of Galileo would never have seen a firm track like that in his life.
I love the Galileo breed but not on firm ground.......the winning percentage of the breed on a surface like that would be tiny.

Sydney's leading trainer appeared to be up to his usual tricks in that race.
It was hard to work out what H Bowman was up to on Re Edit until you saw the support for the longer priced stablemate He Runs Away......almost came off!
Poor Re Edit, didn't look to be in great shape at the finish.......just a couple of quick questions by the stewards.....no problems  :whistle:....and everybody goes on their way. :whistle:

Richie, the hard hitting and incisive journo that he is will be right on to that in his next column.......for sure, won't he?

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« 2020-Apr-29, 10:23 PM Reply #12 »


Fonald make like to give us a leg-up and over on Friday

                                                                                  So did Donald Duck

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« 2020-Apr-30, 09:35 AM Reply #13 »

Monty tipping winners not writing stories

.........needless to say, Monty had six of the 7 winners in his top 4 selections and the $3000+ quadrella in his top 3, including 2 as his second pick

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« 2020-Apr-30, 12:17 PM Reply #14 »
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« 2020-May-03, 01:12 PM Reply #16 »
 :bulb: I should apply for the job.
 
I could  better those stats.

Well, maybe I could.

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« 2020-May-03, 06:49 PM Reply #17 »
I recall many moons ago when a bookie once told me, he drove a Mercedes Benz to the track and most of the "experts" who tipped in the paper arrived and went home by public transport. If they were any good why would they not  give up their job and keep their tips to themselves rather than work as a journalist ?
I could name, but I'wont, one  journalist, he was called "Crime", because he would not pay, who could not get on at the track, because course bookies could legally enforce debts so he "graduated" to SP bookies knowing his debts could not be legally enforced , eventually he could not get set with any SP bookie. Yet each week he would appear on television spruiking his expertise to the viewing audience.
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« 2020-May-03, 09:22 PM Reply #18 »
journos who are privy to the 'oil' on those 'longshots' . .

They . . .be the ones driving the 'Mercs' so should be relatively easy to spot

Them that knows; don't say . . . Them that says; don't know

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2020-May-04, 10:28 PM Reply #19 »


Monty is not a 'journo writing puff pieces' -- he is an expert video-watching assessor reporting the facts.

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« 2020-May-05, 03:27 PM Reply #20 »
Richie watch for tomm, his streak is 0/20. Will it break for tomm?

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-canterbury-wednesday-20200505

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« 2020-May-06, 09:40 PM Reply #21 »


Instructions are on the heel -- how to tip sand out of a shoe -- 'writers' can't do it!

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« 2020-May-07, 12:27 PM Reply #22 »
Richie was 0/5 on Saturday so I decided to have a look at his record. Wednesday he was 0/4, previous Saturday he was 0/4 (1 late scratching), 0/3 on Wednesday 22nd April,  0/4 on Saturday 18th of April, 0/3 on Wednesday 15th April, and his last winner was on the 13th of April where he picked 1/4. 

It is 0/20 since his last winner so that is a big drought considering he does not limit himself to Sydney only on the weekends.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-kensington-saturday-20200430

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-canterbury-wednesday-20200421

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-saturday-20200423

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-canterbury-wednesday-20200421

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-randwick-saturday-20200416

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-kensington-wednesday-20200414

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-warwick-farm-monday-20200413

Richie had a winner yesterday and broke his losing streak which went to 22.

So going on that he had a loser since his winner so his losing streak is now only 1. Letís see if he can keep his streak below 5 as he tips shorties too.

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« 2020-May-07, 01:53 PM Reply #23 »
You can only laugh at Richie.

Yesterday, his first 2 tips were both from his 'good mate' C Waller's stable, both were the pre-post favourites, started favourite and both were beaten home by a longer priced runner from the same stable.  :lol:

Richie's been on the planet far too long to fall for that one.......he has to be smarter than that.....surely? :what:

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« 2020-May-07, 11:00 PM Reply #24 »
You guys are either conspiracy theorists or giving journalists far to much credit.

If Richie really "knew" which Waller horses were going to win that he should back and which favourites were going to lose for him to lay he wouldn't be working in the media for 100K a year? He'd be on his couch making a million a year betting.

Secondly media tipsters will  have an impact on tote markets but they have no impact on fixed odds price that horses start.

Since Dr Nick has withdrawn from Australia, Z controls the price they start on the "Fair" and Citibet and bookies use that as gospel. Media support isnt a factor.



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