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Offline Peter Mair

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« 2020-Jun-08, 07:06 PM Reply #125 »

Please start a 'wily tips' thread and I will follow it


...... as for me....I was incredulous that you got another one right........ for the second week...... well done!

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« 2020-Jun-08, 07:19 PM Reply #127 »
Oh, I won’t be doing that Peter. I wouldn’t be so arrogant as to publish 1 or even 5 tips for public consumption or money

As to you being incredulous the correct response would be to just admit you are wrong in what you blurt.
The facts prove it :beer:

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« 2020-Jun-14, 02:59 PM Reply #128 »
Richie had 0/4 today including a couple of shorties.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-warwick-farm-monday-20200607

He is now 7/62. He has a losing streak of 10. He is out to a $2950 loss based on a $100 stake.

Richie had two selections yesterday and they both lost. Poor bloke is now 7/64 and losing streak out to 12. He is now showing a running loss of $3150 on a mythical $100 win bet.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-rosehill-saturday-20200612

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« 2020-Jun-14, 08:17 PM Reply #129 »






.............. two look-alike swallows does not  make a summer either

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« 2020-Jun-14, 09:30 PM Reply #130 »
The problem media tipsters have is that they are expected to tip the horse they think has the greatest chance of winning ..... that's always going to be a losing strategy.

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« 2020-Jun-17, 05:30 PM Reply #131 »
Richie had two selections yesterday and they both lost. Poor bloke is now 7/64 and losing streak out to 12. He is now showing a running loss of $3150 on a mythical $100 win bet.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-rosehill-saturday-20200612

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-warwick-farm-wednesday-20200616

He was 0/3 today.  He is 7/67 and losing streak extended to 15. His losses on a mythical $100 win bet is now $3450.

I hope his losing streak ends as I do feel sorry for any punters on a losing streak.

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« 2020-Jun-17, 07:59 PM Reply #132 »


Heroic candour -- lest we forget......he did publish his record at Racing Post

.........like me, and most punters, Richie Rich is newly prey for the administrators inflating fields....... every time he misses he is pointing up the nonsense of current racing administrations.

................... be thankful he does not tip in Melbourne.............'success' would be worse.

The tide may be turning ......racing administrators 'stacking' race fields with only-impeding no-hopers..........have a few things in common with politicians stacking political branches with ring-ins ........ nor would they survive a proper investigation of the misuse of their unaccountable power to do so.

Put your peepers on the 'acceptances' for Saturday in Melbourne ......the most likely prospect is for most punters coming undone undone...... again.....as is now usual.

https://racingaustralia.horse/ozracing/Acceptances.aspx?key=2020Jun20,VIC,Flemington

Why would RVL run three inflated fields over 1400 m ...including one for 2yros......... have a guess at the F4 dividends ...and how closely they will reflect 'known form' on a wet track.

.....a betting boycott would be a sensible response .......... but the lemmings will go over the cliff again!



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« 2020-Jun-17, 08:06 PM Reply #133 »

Heroic candour -- lest we forget......he did publish his record at Racing Post

.........like me, and most punters, Richie Rich is newly prey for the administrators inflating fields....... every time he misses he is pointing up the nonsense of current racing administrations.

................... be thankful he does not tip in Melbourne.............'success' would be worse.

The tide may be turning ......racing administrators 'stacking' race fields with only-impeding no-hopers..........have a few things in common with politicians stacking political branches with ring-ins ........ nor would they survive a proper investigation of the misuse of their unaccountable power to do so.

Put your peepers on the 'acceptances' for Saturday in Melbourne ......the most likely prospect is for most punters coming undone undone...... again.....as is now usual.

https://racingaustralia.horse/ozracing/Acceptances.aspx?key=2020Jun20,VIC,Flemington

Why would RVL run three inflated fields over 1400 m ...including one for 2yros......... have a guess at the F4 dividends ...and how closely they will reflect 'known form' on a wet track.

.....a betting boycott would be a sensible response .......... but the lemmings will go over the cliff again!

Pete, in the 3 races that Richie tipped, the runners were 7, 8 and 8 respectively. Not inflated numbers.

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« 2020-Jun-17, 09:09 PM Reply #134 »


Point  made -- as a very cheap shot --my post was about Saturday , not today

............ my omission was to not decry, as usual, funny-farm racing fairly on a heavy track, today.

Please always take the 'funny farm' caution for granted .....together with an admonition to not-bet at 'Kensington'........only 'useless' horses are nominated to run on the Kensington track .........as well as at Moonee Valley and Canterbury......and at the funny-farm.

Stay with 'Saturday class' racing on the major tracks, but speak up about the way inflated-fields are making a mockery of most of it.

I am not giving up on Richie-Rich eventually telling the truth ---- every week on all issues.


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« 2020-Jun-19, 10:55 PM Reply #135 »
https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-warwick-farm-wednesday-20200616

He was 0/3 today.  He is 7/67 and losing streak extended to 15. His losses on a mythical $100 win bet is now $3450.

I hope his losing streak ends as I do feel sorry for any punters on a losing streak.

Richie’s tips for tomm and all in Sydney. With scratchings l, fields could be small enough for even Pete to jump on in some races. Odds quoted are from racenet.

Richie is on a losing streak of 15 and has an odds on fav to start his run. He is 7/67 so far and a losing amount of $3450 but he could recoup most of it if all his runners get up.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-randwick-saturday-20200619

Race 1 no 3 Silhouette $1.95

Race 3 no 3 Broken Arrow $7

Race 7 no 11 Hulk $4.4

Race 8 no 1 Star Spangled Rodeo $7.5

Race 9 no 13 High Low Bet $14

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« 2020-Jun-20, 06:57 PM Reply #136 »


You can all read the race results

Running a race over 1200, up the straight at Flemington, for 14 inexperienced three-yros is irresponsible.

...... the 'not paid to anyone' trifecta was '$20k and the 'not paid' F4 was $125k.

Racing media 'pretending-journalist/ and 'trying-tipsters' will routinely be embarrassed

-----   they have no chance of tipping race-outcomes and no discretion to explain why they cannot.

Eventually, no independent media means no-industry.

Among others, RVL administrators are  gambling irresponsibly  -- the product presented stinks.

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« 2020-Jun-20, 07:01 PM Reply #137 »
Richie’s tips for tomm and all in Sydney. With scratchings l, fields could be small enough for even Pete to jump on in some races. Odds quoted are from racenet.

Richie is on a losing streak of 15 and has an odds on fav to start his run. He is 7/67 so far and a losing amount of $3450 but he could recoup most of it if all his runners get up.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-randwick-saturday-20200619

Race 1 no 3 Silhouette $1.95

Race 3 no 3 Broken Arrow $7

Race 7 no 11 Hulk $4.4

Race 8 no 1 Star Spangled Rodeo $7.5

Race 9 no 13 High Low Bet $14

Poor Richie. 0/5 and his losing streak extended to 20. 7/72 and his losses now out to $3950 on a mythical $100 win wager.

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« 2020-Jun-20, 07:10 PM Reply #138 »
Peter,

What universe are you discussing as it is not this one.

Plenty of people got the Flemington r7 trifecta and the 126g first four was obtainable providing you did what was necessary and the payout says this was done by a party or two.

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« 2020-Jun-20, 07:24 PM Reply #139 »
Sadly for me fours I had 5 the first six over the line😰😰😰😰 And didn’t get the big one.

Mind you, the $10 winner and the 2nd horse placgetter at $45  was very nice😋


Those more disciplined than my self cleaned up on the tri & F4 and got the ignorant money outlaid by loser Mair......and me  :lol:

« Last Edit: 2020-Jun-20, 07:52 PM by wily ole dog »

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« 2020-Jun-20, 09:03 PM Reply #140 »
Wily ole dog,

I did not bet on the race and in truth on form alone I would not have got the result.

BUT..... maybe form alone is not enough to be considered ''what is necessary"

Fours

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« 2020-Jun-29, 08:00 AM Reply #141 »
Poor Richie. 0/5 and his losing streak extended to 20. 7/72 and his losses now out to $3950 on a mythical $100 win wager.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-saturday-20200626

Richie had a winner. Good for him as losing streak is over. He is 8/75.

Roheryn was 3.5 ( being very generous) so on a mythical $100 win, his losses improve to $3900.

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« 2020-Jun-29, 09:38 PM Reply #142 »


Racenet's Richie

................... is an experienced assessor of likely race outcomes.

Prior to the shift to 'inflated field' racing, the idea that RR would be '1 in 10' as a selector, would be ridiculed.

I do not suspect he is 'running dead' ----- but if he is tipping to win, and cannot, there are questions begging to be answered.

... before too long, a racing media man will open up about a system that sees him tip like a monkey  ..... and routinely takes most punters for a very rough ride.

............... RR, looking useless, will crack ... and might use some live ammunition.


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« 2020-Jul-01, 10:14 AM Reply #143 »
Hey foghorn, are you backing Jett Hatton’s tips today?

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« 2020-Jul-03, 08:30 AM Reply #144 »
I tipped for a few years and kept a record, showing a narrow profit each year. (punting I found more difficult than tipping). I don't see many achieving profits. My greater concern is why several tipsters together on a show seem to come to the same conclusion and rarely select anything at odds. There's no huge punishment for picking a loser but the tipsters I see rarely have the nerve to tip a longshot... to the point they'll give something at good odds a rap, then not even put into in their top 4 selections. I've seen them give reasons why a top horse is up against it in a particular race, then still tip it. A classic example was watching the TVN guys agreeing Weekend Hussler (who was the lay of the century) had a lot against him in a Caulfield Cup and then tipping the horse to win, with even the doubters putting him into the placings. So no, I don't follow tipsters.

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« 2020-Jul-03, 12:58 PM Reply #145 »
Lizzie Jelfs doesn't seem to mind picking  a roughie from the mounting yard.

But agree with you in general EssMak.

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« 2020-Jul-03, 09:15 PM Reply #146 »
Mick Wallace goes ok
not scared to tip 30/40 to 1 shots
mainly Dubbo/western district areas

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« 2020-Jul-03, 09:32 PM Reply #147 »
The guys on “Get On” aren’t afraid to go wide either


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« 2020-Jul-04, 09:44 AM Reply #148 »


No accountability

.........one problem is that 'tipsters' do not routinely account for their 'success' ....... and the industry does not have arrangements in place to monitor outcomes either.

.....another is about inflated fields confounding assessments based on form ........ check the 'one-in-ten' performance of one professional as covered in a related thread on this forum.

.........................as for the 'get on' set ..........no hope given the way RVL runs racing in Melbourne.


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« 2020-Jul-04, 06:28 PM Reply #149 »
https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-saturday-20200626

Richie had a winner. Good for him as losing streak is over. He is 8/75.

Roheryn was 3.5 ( being very generous) so on a mythical $100 win, his losses improve to $3900.

Richie tipped one winner today out of 3 which was Space Boy returning 3.5. He is 9/78 and improves his return to $3850 loss.


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