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Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2020-May-21, 03:47 AM Reply #75 »
I havenít a clue about the betting, but just watched the replay. My impression was that she just wasnít good enough. maybe proved wrong in the future.

Agree Villa.

On what we saw today has struggled with the rise in class. Went straight from midweek maiden class to midweek BM70 Fillies and Mares and wasn't up to it even with the weight advantage. Was given a beautiful run and had every chance.

Duenna, who it beat on debut won a provincial maiden then 10th of 12 in a city 3yo BM66. Stolen Jade 2nd in a Kembla maiden then won same class.

Big difference between maidens and the next level up and easy to get carried away with maiden victories sometimes.

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« 2020-May-21, 08:04 AM Reply #76 »
Having backed a Earth Song at its previous 3 starts I wasnít surprised that it won without me this time   :lol:

I made the age old mistake of falling into something that most punters make. The step up from a maiden win is bloody hard

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« 2020-May-21, 10:21 AM Reply #77 »
There was nothing in the betting that would suggest anything untoward......looked all over like the stable expected Archanna to win.

PP7 your 'laying in comment' being grossly overstated just shows ignorance.
C Waller mentioned it in the after race interview before he had spoken to the jockey.

It is generally a sign that the horse is not comfortable about something or protecting something but the rules of racing say you have to keep riding.
You can see it anytime you take a close look at Vic metro tracks when horses race on the concrete tracks that get served up there.

On a day when Alan Jones once again has been found to have 'breached public standards' for the umteenth time, it would hardly be fitting that he should be rewarded with a win on the racecourse.
Certainly looks like the 'Great God's of karma' have spoken and while you expect that Alan's not listening.......something for him to think about.  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

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« 2020-May-21, 10:35 AM Reply #78 »

PP7 your 'laying in comment' being grossly overstated just shows ignorance.
C Waller mentioned it in the after race interview before he had spoken to the jockey.

It is generally a sign that the horse is not comfortable about something or protecting something but the rules of racing say you have to keep riding.
You can see it anytime you take a close look at Vic metro tracks when horses race on the concrete tracks that get served up there.


I stick by my comment about the laying in being over stated. It lays in when the race is all over but before that there is hardly any.

Here. Have a look at the stewards footage

https://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2020May20&VenueCode=MjU0NjYyOA==&RaceNumber=5&MeetingCategory=Professional&VideoFileType=Stewards

and tell me that I'm ignorant once more  :nowink:

It wasn't up to the class on the day.

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« 2020-May-21, 10:52 AM Reply #79 »
Not good enough and not up to the class?......absolutely,.... I didn't back her.....I was only watching.
Was she laying in?.....absolutely........your bifocals need demisting.
Ignorant?.......sure seems that way.

Go and take another look......well before they come into the straight.

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« 2020-May-21, 11:44 AM Reply #80 »
..and I'll buy you a pair of glasses that don't fog over when Waller has a runner.

She did not "lay in" in the straight and I'm not convinced from side on shots it was any worse in the run.

"Horse was laying in" would be an excuse they give to the "Who's Who" of owners to reduce their disappointment.

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« 2020-May-21, 12:15 PM Reply #81 »
You can remain as unconvinced as you like :shrug:
Did anyone say she was laying in the straight? :no:

First time for a while I have stayed on Sky to hear the after race interview.
I did wonder, as the congratulations were being handed out to C Waller for the win, if the failure of his short priced favourite would get a mention.....doesn't always but some fairly high profile owners there.

Can't remember exact words but almost certain C Waller used the 'laying in' term, then followed immaturity and a spell......quite happy to be corrected.

People here can take the word of the Hall Of Fame trainer and the Champion jockey or take the words of 'Oh Great Wise One PP7'  :no: :no:

It's a tough choice, isn't it?  :lol:   :lol:

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« 2020-May-21, 12:24 PM Reply #82 »
You can remain as unconvinced as you like :shrug:
Did anyone say she was laying in the straight? :no:

First time for a while I have stayed on Sky to hear the after race interview.
I did wonder, as the congratulations were being handed out to C Waller for the win, if the failure of his short priced favourite would get a mention.....doesn't always but some fairly high profile owners there.

Can't remember exact words but almost certain C Waller used the 'laying in' term, then followed immaturity and a spell......quite happy to be corrected.

People here can take the word of the Hall Of Fame trainer and the Champion jockey or take the words of 'Oh Great Wise One PP7'  :no: :no:

It's a tough choice, isn't it?  :lol:   :lol:

The irony here is that you are always implying that Waller cheats with drugs and I am always checking you.

The minute I come on and criticize a Waller horse, voila! You are suddenly pro Waller.

Ever heard the term "stalker" nemesis?

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« 2020-May-21, 12:31 PM Reply #83 »
C Waller uses the most potent diuretic Lasix on his horses.....he told us.
I don't like that at all.......I love thoroughbreds.

No stalking at all but you need to support your arguments.......and you have lost one here!   :lol:  

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« 2020-May-21, 12:43 PM Reply #84 »
C Waller uses the most potent diuretic Lasix on his horses.....he told us.
I don't like that at all.......I love thoroughbreds.

No stalking at all but you need to support your arguments.......and you have lost one here!   :lol:

Not quite.

I'm going to put you on ignore. You are in good company. You and Mair.   emthup

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« 2020-May-21, 12:48 PM Reply #85 »
Not quite.

I'm going to put you on ignore. You are in good company. You and Mair.    emthup
Are you for real?  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

What a dummy spit.  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

Like to check posters and can't handle being checked yourself.  :what:

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« 2020-May-21, 01:28 PM Reply #86 »
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Offline Peter Mair

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« 2020-May-21, 03:07 PM Reply #87 »

Back on the media-tipsters track --please.

This thread is awaiting weekend wisdom from the media experts -- get your teeth into this:

                         https://www.punters.com.au/news/flemington-preview_190855/

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« 2020-May-21, 04:01 PM Reply #88 »
No peter we are awaiting you answering the questions put to you

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« 2020-May-21, 04:51 PM Reply #89 »


Which questions?

Ripper of a meeting @ the Kenso today.  The tracks been playing fantastically well and some nice talent in display

The many questions implicit in this assessment were answered by the results yesterday.

....... an answer to the question you have left hanging in the air can be found at  Bible ó Proverbs 26:11

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« 2020-May-21, 05:01 PM Reply #90 »
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« 2020-May-21, 08:58 PM Reply #91 »

Which questions?

Ripper of a meeting @ the Kenso today.  The tracks been playing fantastically well and some nice talent in display

The many questions implicit in this assessment were answered by the results yesterday.

....... an answer to the question you have left hanging in the air can be found at  Bible ó Proverbs 26:11


Nice diversion but you still donít want to answer the questions?

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« 2020-May-21, 10:34 PM Reply #92 »
Are you for real?   :lol:     :lol:     :lol:     :lol:  

What a dummy spit.   :lol:     :lol:     :lol:     :lol:  

Like to check posters and can't handle being checked yourself.  :what:

If you say you are a conservative, love the Catholic Church and Vílandys, donít like the ABC and Labor, you can be in PPís good books. He might even build a shrine to you if you like Trump too.  :clap2:

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« 2020-May-21, 10:50 PM Reply #93 »
Richie had a winner today so 1/5.

His losing streak ends at 16 but is 0/3 since his last winner. He is also 2 winners out of his last 43 tips. Letís see how he goes.

The big man maybe on a roll with a winner today and the Hulk was his winner too.

Richie is certainly trying to improve his losing streak of 3 and his 2/43 strike rate. All his tips based on current market are $4 or less. He is also tipping only in Sydney and has not ventured interstate.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-randwick-saturday-20200521

Race 1#7 Overlord

Race 4#8 New Arrangement

Race 5#3 Corrusciate

Race 6#10 Miss Einstein

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« 2020-May-22, 11:42 AM Reply #94 »
If you say you are a conservative, love the Catholic Church and Vílandys, donít like the ABC and Labor, you can be in PPís good books. He might even build a shrine to you if you like Trump too.  :clap2:
My feeling is here Jeunes is that PP7 will see the error of his ways and learn something.

There are plenty of ways horses 'tell' you all is not well.
Laying in, hanging, stopping quickly..... before and after the line, tail swishing, throwing their head around are just some of them.

Archanna seemed go from a "black type" to "not much good" very quickly didn't she?
If a 3 yr old filly I owned, having just her 2nd start was laying in on a race track like that, I would be concerned.

I'm still inclined to think the problem with Archanna, is the ownership.
Just wouldn't be right and proper if Alan Jones was rewarded with a winner on Wed. ....would it?    :lol:  

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-21/alan-jones-breached-rules-in-jacinda-ardern-comment/12271476
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« 2020-May-23, 04:59 PM Reply #95 »
Richie is certainly trying to improve his losing streak of 3 and his 2/43 strike rate. All his tips based on current market are $4 or less. He is also tipping only in Sydney and has not ventured interstate.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/top-bets-from-richard-callander-for-randwick-saturday-20200521

Race 1#7 Overlord

Race 4#8 New Arrangement

Race 5#3 Corrusciate

Race 6#10 Miss Einstein

1/4 for Richie with the other 3 coming 2nd.

Losing streak of 1 but his record improves to 3/47.

 Just based on tote figures of his winners and I am being generous with SP too, he will be down $3300 if you put $100 the win on his last 47 tips.

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« 2020-May-24, 09:12 PM Reply #96 »

It is not only Richie Rich

................. all so-called racing media writers masquerading as 'tipsters' are similarly exposed to ridicule


The media writer/tipsters being daily mocked for apparent 'incompetence' must be feeling the heat -- day in and day out exposed as unable to tip sand from a shoe would be unsettling as well as embarrassing.

Still they are bound to say nothing in their own defence -- they must applaud 'winners' as if pre-ordained but just not recognized before the race.

Stooges on broadcast media especially look foolish as they observe the dictated mantra of 'forget what we said' and 'do not say what we saw' -- all hail the winners, now seen and explained as entitled to the spoils. 

...... any one of them deriding 'inflated fields' would be fired for not holding to the party line.

All this makes a mockery of professional independence to say nothing of the critical role of the media in protecting the integrity of the product delivered to the customers.

Who among these 'experts' cannot see on Wednesday that the customers will be robbed on Saturday?

Which one would have the balls to say so --- on Wednesday?

....... it is not only in Australia ..........inflated fields make HK racing 'crook'.

The consistent factor in 'rough result' racing is inflated fields -- including runners that should not be there -- very marked disparities in the ability of those 'accepted' to run and the too-many turning races into raffles.


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