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Online Brian Mc

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O.P. « 2021-Jan-19, 07:49 AM »
I look with sadness on the nominations for Friday night's Australia Day Stakes.

This slot in he racing calendar was once held by the William Reid Stakes, now moved to March.

Among the winners of the long weekend race have been some of the greats of the Australian Turf: The Night Patrol, Gothic, Hua, Tranquil Star, Comic Court (at his first start after his Melbourne Cup triumph), Flying Halo, Winfreux, Manikato (4 successive years), Vo Rouge, Apache Cat (all of these when it was called the William Reid) , Black Caviar (Australia Day Stakes).

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« 2021-Jan-19, 07:53 AM Reply #1 »
A great honour roll :clap2:

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« 2021-Jan-19, 05:33 PM Reply #2 »
Many greats there, Brian. Friday's nominations are a pale reflection.

Hua is forgotten now but he was a very good horse, a direct contemporary of Ajax which he beat in the VRC Derby. He was retired to stud through injury at the end of his 3yo season. Apart from his Derby and the William Reid, he won the VRC St Leger, the CF Orr Stakes, the St George Stakes when it was a high quality race, and, as a 2yo the VRC Sires Produce. He was 2nd to Ajax in the Champagne and 3rd to Avenger and Ajax in the AJC Derby and the Caulfield Guineas. He was not a champion, but it would have been good to see his battles with Ajax as an older horse.

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« 2021-Jan-19, 06:13 PM Reply #3 »
That sort of resume makes him better than a few we call champions

Does anyone have his full record?

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« 2021-Jan-19, 06:32 PM Reply #4 »
Wily, I haven't got his full record, but Hua had 18 starts with 6 wins, 3 seconds and 5 thirds. He probably needed a 4yo season to see how good he was. As a 3yo he was behind Ajax, although they only clashed once after the Derby and that was in the Futurity where Ajax beat him easily by a length and a half. After that, Ajax raced up to a mile and Hua raced over longer distance. 

There are many very good horses from that era which are forgotten today.

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« 2021-Jan-19, 07:13 PM Reply #5 »
HUA and AJAX were by the same sire, the great HEROIC,  as were the Hall of Fame's HALL MARK and the brilliant nutcase NUFFIELD. 

HUA's third dam was the champion mare GLADSOME.

 He was a successful sire and his most celebrated son was the brilliant sprinter of the 1940's SAN DOMENICO.

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« 2021-Jan-20, 07:55 AM Reply #6 »
There is an interesting contemporary account of the running of  the 1937 VRC Derby at
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/47955845

For some reason that I don't understand the account of 1937 is missing from Ian Ibbett's  excellent series Kings of the Turf. (I find little to rival Ibbett's work in all that has been written about Australian Thoroughbred Horseracing.)

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« 2021-Jan-20, 10:06 AM Reply #7 »
Just to endorse Brian's recommendation of Kings of the Turf. This is an unmissable series on the AJC Derbies from 1860-1980 with so much thoroughly researched detail on the horses, jockeys, trainers and personalities, written in a professional and entertaining style https://kingsoftheturf.com/

The early 1930s racing scene, with much written on Phar Lap plus Jessica Owers' book  on Peter Pan, is well covered but the late 1930s is a racing era largely forgotten but who wouldn't want to read more about horses like the brilliant nutcase Nuffield, which is such an apt description. As Tontonan pointed out, Heroic was a champion racehorse and champion sire. It would be better placed in another thread, but Heroic along with Lonhro, Vain, Grand Flaneur and Chester would probably be the best performed champions on the track who later led the leading sire of the year list.

Avenger won the 1937 AJC Derby but disappointed after that with only 3 wins in total from 24 starts. The press accounts indicate the Derby distance was a little too far for Ajax but that Hua might have won but for being checked by Avenger inside the last furlong.

Trove really does make it easy to transport to earlier eras and indulge in nostalgia. Thanks for bringing up the forgotten Hua, Brian.

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« 2021-Jan-20, 10:14 AM Reply #8 »
What did Nuffield do to earn himself that "nutcase" title?

Was that an accepted title at the time or was it coined at a later date, possibly by Tonto?   

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« 2021-Jan-20, 11:32 AM Reply #9 »
I'm not sure if it was from the time, JWH, but Nuffield was a really difficult to control horse and needed a rubber lined box to stop him doing himself damage.

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« 2021-Jan-20, 10:40 PM Reply #10 »
According to Google the word  'nutcase' only made its appearance from the 1960's but Nuffield's crazy stable behavior was well known...

Nuffield has a bad habit of playing
in his box. He rears on to the side
of the walls, and last week he rick
ed himself slightly, as he was slight
ly lame when working. However,
Holt has now lined the walls of Nuffield's
 box with a rubberised compound,
 and has had a wire-netting
of fine mesh placed about 8ft. above
the floor of the box to prevent
Nuffield rearing.
In addition, the manger in Nuffleld's
box is removed immediately
he has finished his meal, so that he
will not get his feet into it.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article166679681

His comeback to racing was abandoned when they were unable to transport him back to Jack Holt's stable in Melbourne as explained by Cardigan in the Melbourne Herald :


http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article243139429

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« 2021-Jan-21, 06:36 AM Reply #11 »
A big man 13 stone (83 kg) in cycle-racing trim Kellow was enormously energetic, personally popular and commercially audacious to the point of illegality. In 1910 he was fined 1980 by the High Court of Australia for manipulating invoices to evade customs duty. In his forties he looked for opportunities to diversify his interests and expand his wealth and found them in the traditional Australian fields of sheep-grazing and horse-racing. While continuing to develop his motor business, he invested in Gundaline, a Riverina sheep-station to which he travelled by private plane in later life, and also in Hall Mark, Heroic, Nuffield and many less notable gallopers, trained by Jack (Michael) Holt. Hall Mark won the 1933 Melbourne Cup, Heroic justified the very high price of 16,000 guineas Kellow paid for him in 1925 by winning more than twice that amount, while Nuffield won the Sydney and Melbourne Derbys in 1938. (Australian Dictionary of Biography)

Peter Riddle was, as Harry Telford was to Phar Lap, the man that created the racehorse Shannon. Born in country Victoria on 26 July 1884, Riddle was the son of a trotting driver, and as such was instilled with horsemanship from the earliest age. Like his father, he became a premiership-winning driver in New South Wales and New Zealand until he took up flat training in 1927. A tender hand with a horse, he met only moderate success in Sydney before buying Shannon in 1943. The bay horse became the centre of his life, and though seriously ill, Riddle never compromised Shannon's welfare. Kind, gently spoken, relatively tall and thin, the ailing trainer was one of Randwick's gentle creatures. When he eventually passed away on 29 June 1947, Shannon was the only horse in his yard (Jessica Owers)

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« 2021-Jan-23, 04:50 PM Reply #12 »
I went through my list of multiple G1 winners foaled 2010+ and most starts in any year was 12.  A bit of guess work suggests an average of about 8-9 starts a year.  If we make it 10 a year (five before xmas and 5 after) its going to be pretty hard to find a G1 horse starting out before February these days. Perhaps we need to move the race to Feb.

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