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Offline nemisis

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« 2020-May-17, 04:08 PM Reply #25 »
I don't take any notice at all of any tipsters, anywhere Fours and that includes here and you!

What I did notice was the reaction from the Racing.com crew after the win of Chapel City......the result was not quite the result they had in mind and they took a bit of a shot at the horse.

Wouldn't you love to own a horse like this......especially if you believed in him.......would feel great!

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« 2020-May-17, 04:32 PM Reply #26 »
Good to hear nemisis!

Chapel City and plenty of other horses like Black Heart Bart that have a period of under performance ( apparent anyway... ) before coming good again provide the keys to the vault!

The fence post types keep the bookies in their mercedes...... 95% of the time.

Many shares provide similar opportunites.

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« 2020-May-17, 08:01 PM Reply #27 »
As usual Mair sits in judgment of others without offering up anything but more evidence of his narcissistic behaviour  :thumbsup:

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« 2020-May-17, 10:06 PM Reply #28 »



..................    well said Oedipus

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« 2020-May-18, 07:55 AM Reply #29 »
Glad you agree with me that you’re a narcissist  :thumbsup:

As to your fetish for your mother.....or father, I suggest you talk to your shrink rather than disclose it here

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« 2020-May-18, 08:20 PM Reply #30 »
 

FAKE 'NEWS' ABOUT AN EMPTY CUP

The news-corpse media virus owns both 'racenet.com' and 'punters.com' -- today we get contrived and conflicted confetti paraded as 'news'.

.......... if these writers are paid as 'racing industry journalists'   ...........could we please have some professional attention to pressing industry issues ...... or some public-confession of the specifics of the 'blinkers' and 'tongue ties' their trainers require them to wear.

Could the Melbourne Cup be run before the Caulfield Cup?

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/could-the-melbourne-cup-be-run-before-the-caulfield-cup-20200518

Spring uncertainty but Melbourne Cup date unchanged

https://www.punters.com.au/news/spring-uncertainty-but-cup-date-unchanged-_190789/

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2020-May-25, 09:37 AM Reply #31 »


Two horse racing in Hong Kong -- don't you believe it!


Somehow an illusion has racing in Hong Kong being  'best in the world' -- an illusion  endorsed by media preoccupation with magic-men.

On the face of it racing in Hong Kong is about a race between the two jockeys having first pick of the runners (or being picked first to ride the best). Check this pandering to the illusion:

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/zac-purton-involved-in-pre-race-incident-then-wins-group-i-20200524

The fuller story, not being told, is that HK racing is a bit like Pike's Perth -- betting markets are distorted by money for the favored jockeys' runners, punters take the 'unders' and hope.

........ hope is not a winning strategy......especially when the fields are inflated with 'no-hopers', as indicated by the odds. The racing is unfair.

..... call up yesterday's results for Shatin with 14-starter races,

https://www.tab.com.au/racing/2020-05-24/SHA-TIN/E/R/3/Win


Scroll down to the SP odds for runners that did not win -- 100/1 is not the limit of the nonsense on display....... starters are on offer at 200/1, 300/1, 400/1 and 500/1.

Check the race replays -- these runners are like rocks on the track, pin-ball 'bumpers' only able to contribute a random element to the outcome.

https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/english/showcase/showcase.asp

..........I am well and truly over the idea that HK racing is fair ...... more worst than best ......... the truth should be told ..... and repeated for Australia as appropriate .. and it is appropriate.

We know the truth will not be told -- that is the sure bet.
 


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« 2020-May-25, 09:52 AM Reply #32 »
IDIOT

How can Purton and Moreira possibly win so often if the big fields cause the claimed interference from no hopers getting in the way as you claim?

Your very own arguments prove earlier claims to be wrong.

Fours


Offline Peter Mair

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« 2020-May-25, 10:06 AM Reply #33 »


There is more to a race than the winners -- and the magic-men do not win every race


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« 2020-May-26, 09:27 PM Reply #34 »

This is 'bandwagon' nonsense


STRADBROKE NEXT MISSION

Victorem crashed through the $2m prizemoney barrier with his win in the Victory Stakes at Eagle Farm. Not bad for a horse who was sold for $65,000 at the 2016 Magic Millions two-year-olds in training sale.

It was also not a bad effort by his trainer Jenny Graham either and Jenny is as good a horse person as there is.

On his day the son of I Am Invincible is absolutely explosive and he is now on the second line of betting with Dawn Passage behind Trekking in Stradbroke markets.

Victorem is one of those horses who needs the breaks to go his way, but if everything is on song on Saturday week he’ll be right in the thick of the action.

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« 2020-May-26, 09:40 PM Reply #35 »
What’s ya problem with that?

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« 2020-May-26, 09:51 PM Reply #36 »
Racing has been going on in Australia for nigh on 200 years, some favourites losing and some Roughies winning is what keeps the game going, if every fav won there would be NO Bookies and No Bookies = NO punters and No Punters = No prizemoney and No Prizemoney = No racing.....so Thank Christ Peter wasn't around 200 years ago, racing would have been stillborn!
They do not race in lanes and never have. it is constant change for self interest that is bringing racing down.....not big fields....actually any punter with any idea(which rules Pete out) knows big fields make for fairer racing, races are more evenly run.....and handicaps make for fairer racing as the pace is usually on from go to whoa, if a Horse is good enough it will win...I backed a horse yesterday ridden by Bowman in a field of 5 and he found himself in a Pocket and couldn't get out until too late, no doubt he should have won....in a field of 16 with the pace on runs come as the leaders tire and wander around, he would have won easily
Pete do you remember the 1939 Rawson stakes, I will give you a hint.....it had a field of 3 and the fave was beaten!!
Be careful what you wish for....you might get it....Then we'd have to kill you! (kidding)

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2020-Jun-01, 03:35 PM Reply #37 »

Tiger-taming 101

... to get should-be tigers and their cubs to  write only what you will like, pay for their training.

      https://www.racenet.com.au/news/nz-newspaper-formguides-chopped-for-restart-20200531

Will the tigers still be tame?

Developments in NZ will have local editors of news-corpse print-media on their toes -- can we expect more than the usual restraint when issues demand attention and more gushing praise of a grossly overblown industry.

Do the punters pay three times -- first in the diversion of TAB revenue to subsidize the cost of form guides,  next when the punters buy the papers and finally when the punters place losing bets on unfair races. .

Now that the corpse owns 2KSKY, Racenet and Punters.com is their any real need for the hard-copy form guides -- and would TABs pull the funding to cut costs?


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« 2020-Jun-01, 06:56 PM Reply #38 »

Two horse racing in Hong Kong -- don't you believe it!


Somehow an illusion has racing in Hong Kong being  'best in the world' -- an illusion  endorsed by media preoccupation with magic-men.

On the face of it racing in Hong Kong is about a race between the two jockeys having first pick of the runners (or being picked first to ride the best). Check this pandering to the illusion:

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/zac-purton-involved-in-pre-race-incident-then-wins-group-i-20200524

The fuller story, not being told, is that HK racing is a bit like Pike's Perth -- betting markets are distorted by money for the favored jockeys' runners, punters take the 'unders' and hope.

........ hope is not a winning strategy......especially when the fields are inflated with 'no-hopers', as indicated by the odds. The racing is unfair.

..... call up yesterday's results for Shatin with 14-starter races,

https://www.tab.com.au/racing/2020-05-24/SHA-TIN/E/R/3/Win


Scroll down to the SP odds for runners that did not win -- 100/1 is not the limit of the nonsense on display....... starters are on offer at 200/1, 300/1, 400/1 and 500/1.

Check the race replays -- these runners are like rocks on the track, pin-ball 'bumpers' only able to contribute a random element to the outcome.

https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/english/showcase/showcase.asp

..........I am well and truly over the idea that HK racing is fair ...... more worst than best ......... the truth should be told ..... and repeated for Australia as appropriate .. and it is appropriate.

We know the truth will not be told -- that is the sure bet.

You say some silly things Pete but this takes the cake.

HK is a captive market with a small pool of horses who race each other regularly. Not only that, their class system is easy to follow so makes doing the form even easier as they move up and down the weight scale.

Throw in that the top 2 jocks have ridden between them this season 34% or over 1/3 of the winners and you start to form a pretty good picture  :bulb:

What's Zac riding? why? What's JM riding? What's Karis riding? Did they ride them last start? Did they get off something else to ride it? Did they trial it? etc etc

Have a go Pete, you might actually learn something.
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Offline Peter Mair

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« 2020-Jun-01, 07:30 PM Reply #39 »


....... .always appreciate the endorsement of my posts ... not sure this was the correct thread

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« 2020-Jun-01, 09:03 PM Reply #40 »

Who got gukked?


I personally don’t see anything wrong with Waller having the majority of the field in a race, he still has an obligation to give every horse an equal chance and obviously, by the results on Saturday he seems to have some idea of what he’s doing in that middle-distance range.

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« 2020-Jun-01, 09:12 PM Reply #41 »


Who has realized, and will say, that RNSW has the Australian racing game by the throat?

CAN WE GET THE BALANCE RIGHT PLEASE

I found it increasingly annoying over the weekend jumping from channel to channel watching different state races, but what made it even worse was all-but missing the jump due to the parade ring previews.


Spare us the nonsense of 'all' on one channel  --  most of it is absolute rubbish.

........for the time being ........ the only racing in Australia that matters is run in Sydney on Saturdays..... preferably without an unexpected one being 'readied' being 'smoked in' ......under cover.

.... it is not cricket .......but some basic morality should be 'in the rules' and enforced...... who bet on  Wu Gok?

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« 2020-Jun-01, 09:31 PM Reply #42 »


Apparent cheating may simply reflect 'inflated fields'

Across the board, punters -- and commentators -- unsettled by rough race results, are inclined to think that horses are doped.

Connections of losers would be even more inclined to suspect corruption........... as wold be trainers who talked-up a runners prospects.

.... more likely, a correct explanation for rough-results is to be found in 'inflated fields' -- runners that can't win but can be disruptive of fair racing ....... and can run 10th for more than they are likely to get anywhere else being prepared -- at cost -- in 'barrier trials'.

........the media will not tell you this .......... they cannot.

INCREASE IN INTEGRITY FOCUS SITS WELL

The agitation last week started by a couple of articles ............... has brought about some serious attention being focused on integrity in Queensland racing and that can only be good for all, or at least the majority of those involved north of the border.


When integrity is an issue -- the administrators are more likely to be responsible.

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« 2020-Jun-02, 05:42 PM Reply #43 »

Richie deserves to be rewarded

............ his column today is good solid stuff ..... bar one clear mistake

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/pressure-continues-to-mount-on-racing-victoria-20200602

The 'mistake':

I never thought I’d see a sillier protest than Planchet against Choisir which happened back in 2002

More akin to a well-deserved disqualification -- the best decision in Australian racing so far this century.

A good column is a good omen:

 MORE PROPHETS (Kensington R 3 No.5) LE LUDE (Kensington R 5 No.7) HIDDEN LEGEND (Sandown R 8 No.4)

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« 2020-Jun-06, 09:27 PM Reply #44 »

The following is illustrative of the 'inclination' of the media men to write only 'good news'.


      https://www.punters.com.au/news/stradbroke-handicap-day-in-review_191241/


Today was another shocker in Melbourne  ......... the Stradbroke result was consistent with an inflated field...... in Sydney, the main quadrella was 'gettable' -------after the earlyQ paid $40,000.

When will one of these 'independent' journos ring the bell on  a rort.

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« 2020-Jun-09, 08:58 PM Reply #45 »


Thank you Richie-Rich


There has never been a true voice for punters unless you count a few on social media who believe they speak for everyone.

...........some 25 unrelenting years on ...............after staking a claim for punters to have a voice ........... the right to speak up on behalf of most punters is not granted .... it is denied.

The racing media should have done the job that is denied to those that might ...... compromised by an unholy cartel, those that should won't.

.......... please post some content from Bill Gibbins.


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« 2020-Jun-09, 10:59 PM Reply #46 »

Thank you Richie-Rich


There has never been a true voice for punters unless you count a few on social media who believe they speak for everyone.

...........some 25 unrelenting years on ...............after staking a claim for punters to have a voice ........... the right to speak up on behalf of most punters is not granted .... it is denied.

The racing media should have done the job that is denied to those that might ...... compromised by an unholy cartel, those that should won't.

.......... please post some content from Bill Gibbins.

Geez Pete, looks like you missed out on the gig you’ve been promoting yourself for. Why do you think that is?

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« 2020-Jun-15, 09:07 PM Reply #47 »


Just distasteful...............have a lick of this pretense of 'journalism

Everyone is champing at the bit to get back to the sports arenas, and that means racing will start seeing a drip feed of owners and the like in the coming months.

However, it has certainly been a windfall for Andrew Adkins followers with his four winners all being legs of the quaddie and paying massively at $42,000, $32,000 and Saturday’s $17,496! 


No serious punter would be giving a stuff about who is 'on course' at the races...nor would they go.

..........as for applauding industry policies inflating fields, that reflect in 'rough results', the figures suggest that rational 'Andrew Adkins followers' are non-existent.


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« 2020-Jun-15, 09:25 PM Reply #48 »
Peter, so far we’ve seen how you got it massively wrong last weekend ....again

Try and redeem yourself by giving us some specific examples of situations where outclassed runners, (you’re term) hindered more favoured runners and impacted on a race result

I WILL be holding my breath

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« 2020-Jun-16, 06:50 PM Reply #49 »


................... I do hope so ............


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