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Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2021-Aug-31, 01:16 PM Reply #100 »
PP you really must have been one really dumb kid at School .

No mate I was actually pretty smart as a kid.

It is later in life I became dumb.

Too dumb to NOT respond to stuff like this.

BTW didn't read past your first sentence and don't intend to so you wasted your breath.

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« 2021-Aug-31, 05:00 PM Reply #101 »
"BTW didn't read past your first sentence and don't intend to so you wasted your breath "


I knew he was dumb ; He thinks it is an audio medium !!


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« 2021-Aug-31, 05:32 PM Reply #102 »
Criticise Pell or V’landys and PP will be more than reading your first paragraph. You might even get banned.   :lol:

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« 2021-Aug-31, 06:14 PM Reply #103 »
How come he is only coming out with it now?

And is this deja vu all over again? I can distinctly recall this being told in the long past. Or did I dream it?

This seems to be a trend in society. Rehash old allegations as new ones. We saw it recently with the Luna Park fires. Christian Porter fabrication. I could go on.

So if the police decide to do nothing because of a lack of evidence, are you guys going to come on here and recant? I'm guessing not. That is why we need people like me  ;) - and all those prominent people who defended Neville Wran in the wake of the disgraceful allegations.
What is wrong with you!

David's reasons for not coming forward earlier are explained in both the short version and the full one I troubled to textify.

Warnings, and threats against him and his family, along with a disturbing disinterest from the police.

The perp in question is alive and maybe facing deportation so this is an ongoing matter that deserves probing.

Remember that big Bill had no qualms about dissing the Goanna when his death made it safe to do so.




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« 2021-Sep-01, 04:02 AM Reply #104 »
What is wrong with you!

David's reasons for not coming forward earlier are explained in both the short version and the full one I troubled to textify.

Warnings, and threats against him and his family, along with a disturbing disinterest from the police.

The perp in question is alive and maybe facing deportation so this is an ongoing matter that deserves probing.

Remember that big Bill had no qualms about dissing the Goanna when his death made it safe to do so.

Apologies jfc. Didn't realize you textified it.

Hang on I'll just have a read.

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Yep....nope....nope......no corroborating evidence against Big Bill there. Sorry. Only hearsay and letters from someone else.

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« 2021-Sep-01, 10:35 AM Reply #105 »
Apologies jfc. Didn't realize you textified it.

Hang on I'll just have a read.

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Yep....nope....nope......no corroborating evidence against Big Bill there. Sorry. Only hearsay and letters from someone else.
I comprehensively answered your question why David didn't come forward earlier.

A question that should not have been asked, as it had already been answered.

And now you act as if you'd asked a different question. About corroboration.

Maybe I'll answer that, then you'll conjure up another tedious question.

That's a tremendous way of maintaining your current 7 day average of 54 posts. Posts that are often repetitions of your earlier rubbish, hence further degrading the forum that you censor.



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« 2022-Mar-20, 09:03 AM Reply #106 »
Hard to know at times about the accuracy of the facts when Channel 7 present them.
This gets a run tonight....David Waterhouse has a bit to say......hopefully worth watching.

Crime Investigation Australia: Mar 20
Thirty-five years ago, a likeable horse trainer from Sydney, George Brown, was horribly tortured.
Published by David Knox
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On Sunday’s Crime Investigation Australia, the story of a murder in racing circles.

With the recent death of the legendary bookmaker, Bill Waterhouse, this shocking story of murder and corruption finally can be told. Thirty-five years ago, a likeable horse trainer from Sydney, George Brown, was horribly tortured, his mutilated body found in a burnt-out sedan beside a freeway south of Sydney. He appeared to have been force-fed alcohol by his killers, as they twisted and broke his arms and legs. He suffered several blows to the head before being locked in the boot and the car set on fire. His killers were never found, and the murder was filed away as a cold case.

8:45pm Sunday on Seven.

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« 2022-Mar-20, 10:10 PM Reply #107 »


THE USUAL RESIDUAL DEFENDANTS

When everyone knows what happened but no one knows 'who done it', all eyes turn to prominent residual defendants.

The idea that very prominent players in the racing industry would risk being linked by association to a serious crime is probably fanciful.

There would be no need for it.

Premeditated crimes have motives, real or imagined, but, with no evidence, it is hardly fair to run a trial by media to the point of an implied conviction.

All publicity may be good for business and legendary legacies, but broadcasting a contrived conviction does not reflect well on Channel7.





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« 2022-Mar-21, 06:33 AM Reply #108 »
I thought Channel 7 did a reasonable job.....for them!

Had to laugh at the opening statement re the integrity of racing back then and integrity today......it's a lot worse these days.
Channel 7 are so heavily conflicted because they are a commercial org. that has invested heavily in horse racing....all good now according to channel 7 :what:  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:
You only had to listen to the FBI wire taps and evidence to get the truth about how doping has corrupted the sport....it's the same in this country.

Nifty or very shifty Neville Wran once again gets implicated in the cover up of a major crime.....the accusation not coming from the ABC this time.

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« 2022-Mar-21, 08:56 AM Reply #109 »
The program gets a pass, but there was scope for improvement.

The old school racing media all crap on from the same cesspool and have amazingly limited knowledge outside of that area. Witness Presnell's obliviousness to not only Zeljko, but later Dr Nick even though both were prominent trackside for many years.

So much-needed diversity was lacking.

Why couldn't they interview colourful Chris Murphy who formerly had a spot on 7, where he dealt with the Waterhouses?

And as for Saint Schreck, what a pity they didn't probe him on the following, which was common knowledge, or in the public arena?

Presumably acting on a tip that warned-off RWW actually was using agents in the HV rooms, the Sheriff raided the Randwick one. But instead of nabbing the agents (who were hardly a secret) they confronted Zeljko - who was less than cooperative, and thus summoned to a Monday showdown.

That went so swimmingly that Schreck later (post VITAB fraud) found himself on Zeljko's payroll.

Another remarkable transformation was that while using agents to circumvent a warning-off was obviously illegal then, black eventually turned to white. So much so that RWW's  submission for lifting his life ban, highlighted how beneficial his once illegal agent turnover was to racing revenue!





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« 2022-Mar-21, 09:58 AM Reply #110 »
I found it quite strange that will all the illegal betting activities that the ATO never got involved.   :lol:

Most of the Racing media will never give up many big name betting agents.

A long time ago in the 90s, prior to the internet and $100 notes were grey, we were at Rosehill for a mid level day with mates. There was about 6 of us and we were watching the interstate races on the 1st level when we were approached by a middle aged bloke asking us if we wanted to make a $100 each which was big back then. We thought it was drugs and said no but he said it was betting. He gave us $500 each to place on a horse in Melbourne after a fluctuation call came across. It was a prominent Melbourne stable at that time and I don’t want to get in trouble for naming it. The fluctuations came through and the horse drifted from 6/1 to 8/1. We all jumped on and the horse won. Horse started at 3/1. We gave him $4k plus the stake each. He thanked us and gave us the $100 each and another $200 for the group to spend on drinks. Then we saw him visit another table and collecting before disappearing.

We never saw him again but we always wondered how many people like us they used. The strange part was the horse in question never won again.

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« 2022-Mar-21, 10:34 AM Reply #111 »

Anecdotal stories or not, the stewards seem to be a model of 'blind injustice'


Media reports of stewards examining 'betting activity', after apparent gross-irregularities, never seem to find anything untoward.

That can hardly be considered a fair outcome of diligent and intelligent inquiry.

Nominal rules intended to proscribe 'insider trading' never seem to be matched with questions put to 'windfall' winning punters about 'how did you know to bet up / or to not bet today?'

The problem is deely ingrained in an industry that considers it 'smart' for an insider group to be let-on by connections plotting a sting and a plunge.

What are the most-punter set to make of 'late mail' and otherwise large bets placed late -- who knows what that is not in the form guide.






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« 2022-Mar-21, 06:38 PM Reply #112 »

Uncontradictable creative writing  ................. a bandwagon rolls along


It is disappointing that Racenet would run the following story.

David Waterhouse reveals father Bill Waterhouse’s role in racing murder

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/david-waterhouse-reveals-father-bill-waterhouses-role-in-racing-murder

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« 2022-Mar-24, 06:03 AM Reply #113 »
The author Andrew Rule is a Gold Walkely winner, twice Journalist of the Year, author of over 10 books and nearly 20 Underbelly episodes.

Defamation laws here are so draconian and abused you'd think they'd been concocted by Putin. The only chance of getting at the truth about crimes is after relevant identities die.

We need more articles like that.

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« 2022-Mar-27, 01:37 PM Reply #114 »
Apparently, Andrew Rule has launched into a polemic about an ABC Fine Cotton podcast.

Blocked by a confounded Herald Sun paywall!

If there are any colourful identities able to breach it, I imagine some here would be interested.



Incidentally, 7's program tonight appears to be about Michael McGurk who was murdered in front of his young son. I imagine Zeljko's biographer Kate McClymont  will be featured prominently.

I've read her opus Dead Man Walking, and believe it merits being turned into an international film, or series.

https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/621392/michael-loch-mcgurk-a-man-with-many-identities/?cs=300
« Last Edit: 2022-Mar-27, 02:00 PM by jfc »


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