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« 2009-Sep-30, 04:53 AM Reply #25 »
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2009/s2698920.htm

Extended interview has finally allegedly surfaced.

Unfortunately turning on the volume so early would be antisocial so I still have to wait.

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« 2009-Sep-30, 07:31 AM Reply #26 »
Intriguingly, in the extended version, WSW denies any family involvement in illegal casinos.


This is in stark contrast to the unforgettable 1986 Four Corners episode describing RWW's illegal Kings Cross casino.

Allegedly the blackjack decks were under-represented in 5s.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/s347930.htm


The pertinent court case below contains a number of allegations denied by WSW in the current interview.


http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/act/ACTSC/1988/15.html?query=waterhouse%20and%20defamation%20and%20rigged


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« 2009-Sep-30, 09:44 AM Reply #27 »
By Caryl Williamson
Sydney
Tuesday 29 September 2009, 7:21pm

Bill Waterhouse will step up on his bookmakers' stand at Randwick on Saturday to do what he has been doing for more than seven decades - challenge the punter to do better than him.

So far he has come out on top, apart from a couple of glitches including a million dollars he says he's still owed by Kerry Packer.

Waterhouse tells his story in "What Are The Odds" launched by his long-time friend, former NSW Premier Neville Wran, in Sydney on Tuesday.

Wran and Waterhouse studied law together at Sydney University but the lure of the track proved too great for one.

After beginning as a clerk for his father Charles in 1938, Waterhouse was a part-time bookie until the death of his brother Charles in 1954 and he quickly made the transition from barrister to bookmaker.

He has never stopped doing the form even when he and his bookmaker son Rob spent 17 years on the sidelines over the notorious Fine Cotton substitution scandal - of which Bill Waterhouse says they were scapegoats.

His form study was also responsible for the merging of two of racing's most famous families as his daughter-in-law Gai Waterhouse revealed.

"Thirty years ago I rang him to ask him to go on a new racing show," she said.

"He said `I can't but I have a son who can'."

Two years after the daughter of Australia's greatest trainer TJ Smith and Rob Waterhouse were married, the union produced a daughter Kate and a son Tom who has carried on the family business.

A former actress and now one of the country's most successful trainers, Gai Waterhouse fought her own battle to become a trainer after being knocked back because her husband was a warned-off person at the time.

The name Waterhouse is synonymous with racing and gambling and not a little controversy but Bill has no regrets.

"I have had a lovely life," he said.

"I've enjoyed it all, I love racing and it's great that we are still here."

Bill Waterhouse's book is about the rich and those he made not so rich, the honest and those not so honest.

He names them all without fear and details his unconventional marriage and the family splits that divided the bookmaking empire.

But none of those things have dampened the 87-year-old's enthusiasm or his love of the punt.

– AAP

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« 2009-Sep-30, 11:01 AM Reply #28 »
Fielding in Melbourne.

I've had a bit of luck betting with him lately.   emthup  
When he was in Sydney interstate ring he was good because he would bet Guaranteed starting price . If you went in a bit early you could still get better with a bit of luck.

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« 2009-Sep-30, 03:03 PM Reply #29 »
Intriguingly, in the extended version, WSW denies any family involvement in illegal casinos.


This is in stark contrast to the unforgettable 1986 Four Corners episode describing RWW's illegal Kings Cross casino.




Of course it is. If only the walls could talk. I can't believe the fairytale free ride he has got in the media this week.

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« 2009-Oct-08, 09:12 PM Reply #30 »

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« 2009-Oct-15, 08:52 PM Reply #31 »
Waterhouse was interviewed on radio 4BC Tuesday pm by Peter Dick there's a transcript on www.justracing.com.au

A little different from the ABC with some mention of the late George Freeman who got a serve in the Gambling Man by Kevin Perkins.

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« 2009-Oct-15, 08:57 PM Reply #32 »
Waterhouse was interviewed on radio 4BC Tuesday pm by Peter Dick there's a transcript on www.justracing.com.au

A little different from the ABC with some mention of the late George Freeman who got a serve in the Gambling Man by Kevin Perkins.

What a bundle of information that site is---pity Norton can't look--he's barred himself.
I'm sure he will find a back door to peak--in fact he has been a little quiet lately    :lol:

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« 2009-Oct-15, 09:08 PM Reply #33 »
You should give him a pass conditional parole   :biggrin:

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« 2009-Oct-15, 09:17 PM Reply #34 »
You

Yeh---I'll do that--because I'm a good fella---Norton---you are feel to peek

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« 2009-Oct-21, 08:05 PM Reply #35 »
Heard the tail-end of Wayne Wilson's free kick todayon 4TAB  interviewing WSW "what a great read the book is"  Wilson's words recommending it to listeners.Freeman and Trimboli organising one goers What were the stewards doing? :rant:
How many free kicks does he get. :whistle:

Anyone pushing Roger Rogerson's book. :thumbsd:

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« 2009-Oct-21, 08:10 PM Reply #36 »
Anyone pushing Roger Rogerson's book.

Roger was a straight shooter, just ask Warren Lanfranchi. Oh, right..... :o  He's not talking.

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« 2009-Oct-21, 08:23 PM Reply #37 »
Heard the tail-end of Wayne Wilson's free kick todayon 4TAB  interviewing WSW "what a great read the book is"  Wilson's words recommending it to listeners.Freeman and Trimboli organising one goers What were the stewards doing? :rant:
How many free kicks does he get. :whistle:

Anyone pushing Roger Rogerson's book. :thumbsd:

Silly post.

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« 2009-Oct-21, 08:25 PM Reply #38 »
Bill's got an excuse, I guess, but in discussions about his role (or lack of a role) in the Fine Cotton incident, he at first said "it was 40 years ago", then later said "almost half a century ago".  I didn't realise I was THAT old.  :lol:

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« 2009-Oct-21, 08:27 PM Reply #39 »
God, time flies, doesn't it ?  :)

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« 2009-Oct-21, 08:33 PM Reply #40 »
It does - so there's no need to put in high-octane fuel. :no:

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« 2009-Oct-21, 11:09 PM Reply #41 »
more labor stupity from jwh....just put your 10 mil into labor holdings qld and see where you end up pee-wee/nut :bop: :wavecry:

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« 2015-Feb-20, 11:29 AM Reply #42 »
Be still my heart

FAMILY CONFIDENTIAL

The Waterhouses (REPEAT)

2pm - 2.30pm ABC Tonight
The racing industry would never have been the same without the Waterhouses whose survival against the odds, to their fourth generation of bookmaking has amazed their critics.

http://www.yourtv.com.au/guide/event.aspx?program_id=260477&event_id=66405657&region_id=73

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« 2015-Feb-20, 06:55 PM Reply #43 »
Roger was a straight shooter, just ask Warren Lanfranchi. Oh, right..... :o  He's not talking.

I visited Neddy Smith in jail in 2010 and even after all this time he didn't have a bad word to say about "Roger". Interestingly, Roger doesn't have a GOOD word to say about Ned!

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« 2015-Feb-21, 10:38 AM Reply #44 »
I visited Neddy Smith in jail in 2010 and even after all this time he didn't have a bad word to say about "Roger". Interestingly, Roger doesn't have a GOOD word to say about Ned!

Nothing unexpected there Red.

One is in jail and trying to get out, the other is out and trying to stay there.

Expected human behaviour.

I don't think you could believe a word either one says or has said, ever.

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« 2015-Feb-21, 03:09 PM Reply #45 »
Nothing unexpected there Red.

One is in jail and trying to get out, the other is out and trying to stay there.

Expected human behaviour.

I don't think you could believe a word either one says or has said, ever.

Well, not quite. Roger's in as well, now. But he was out at the time.   :lol:

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« 2019-Nov-23, 06:45 AM Reply #46 »
Legendary bookmaker Bill Waterhouse dead at 97, son Robbie confirms

Bill Waterhouse, the former barrister who became a bookmaker and broke several fearless punters, has died. He was 97.

The patriarch of a bookmaking dynasty – that has included son Robbie and grandson Tom – Bill will be indelibly linked to the Fine Cotton episode surrounding the ring-in that tainted the family name.

Robbie Waterhouse announced his father’s passing on Twitter on Friday morning.

“Very sad that we have lost my father, Bill Waterhouse. He left us peacefully with his family by his side. He was in great spirits till the end. He enjoyed a great day with all his great-grandchildren last Sunday,” Waterhouse wrote.

One of the biggest bookies to field in Australia at the height of his power, Waterhouse pioneered a family of bookmakers in Robbie — who is married to champion trainer Gai.

Robbie and grandson Tom followed Bill into the bookmaking game.

He hung up his bookies bag in 2010, and son Robbie told The Daily Telegraph his father had “become more frail over time”.

Paying tribute to his father, Robbie said Bill had lived “an extraordinary life”.

Once the biggest bookmaker in the world, the qualified barrister was a colourful racing figure, carving out his name in the bookies ring especially in the 1960s and 70s.

He was known for his boldness and willingness to go head-to-head with leviathan punters such as Ray Hopkins, ‘Hong Kong Tiger’ Frank Duval and ‘The Filipino Fireball’ Filipe Ysmael.

Losing $1 million in a day

His fearless attitude led to him losing $1 million in a single day in 1968 and he subsequently became widely regarded as the biggest gambler in the world.

Known as the ‘king of the bookies’ for his dominance of the betting ring, Waterhouse was reported to often hold more than the Totalisator during his prime.

In 1984, Waterhouse and Robbie were stripped of their bookmaking licences when the Australian Jockey Club alleged they had prior knowledge of the Fine Cotton ‘ring-in’ scandal.

Bill Waterhouse always maintained his innocence and in 2002 had his bookmaking licence reinstated in order to train his grandson Tom in the business. He retired from bookmaking in 2010 at the age of 88.


https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/horse-racing/legendary-bookmaker-bill-waterhouse-dead-at-97-son-robbie-confirms/


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« 2019-Nov-23, 08:36 AM Reply #47 »
WSW deserves a far better effort from our media, rather than merely a copy/paste from Wiki.

This famous program provides some perspective, as well as colourful memories for some of us.


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« 2019-Nov-23, 02:26 PM Reply #49 »
Wonder why Kerry didn't raise any of the 4 Corners issues?

https://www.abc.net.au/7.30/bill-waterhouse-joins-the-730-report/2675468


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