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Offline gratlog

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O.P. « 2009-Feb-21, 01:51 PM »
I'm sure Pat Duff mentioned that he bled one of his horses when he was interviewed before.

Surely not. This was proved to be a waste of time last year by a couple of eperts on the forum  :lol:

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« 2009-Feb-21, 02:01 PM Reply #1 »
Grats - I think the consensus from the resident scientist was there was no evidence to prove it works.

Richo was one who was pro the procedure.

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« 2009-Feb-21, 02:08 PM Reply #2 »
Gin, I was just testing to see if Ascot or DD were present  :biggrin:

I forgot DD was in Melbourne for the week end.

That debate went on for yonks and I only thought about it when Pat Duff mentioned it before.

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« 2009-Feb-21, 02:19 PM Reply #3 »
 it works, done it for 100 years,
 u can see and feel the diff. in the horses.

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« 2009-Feb-21, 02:25 PM Reply #4 »
I might be mistaken, but I thought Pat said he performed the procedure on Spanish Fling.

It ran out of puff today but that could have just been the track.

Allhigh, we had a debate on this for quiet some time last year.  Very interesting it was.

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« 2009-Feb-21, 02:30 PM Reply #5 »
ile bet it was.........its a big help if you get a new horse,
 from a big stable, and you dont know what its been pumped full of.
 u can usually tell by their coats, if they need it.
 they do thrive after it tho.  :biggrin:

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« 2009-Feb-26, 05:33 PM Reply #6 »
I'm a former vet and I said that bleeding can benefit overtrained horses in need of a freshen up.
 I was howled down by people who work in hospitals and know lots about haematology as it pertains to humans.
 They compared the practice of bleeding horses to that of blood letting in the middle ages.
 I'm happy to see that yet another person with experience in the field knows it has its place.

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« 2009-Feb-26, 05:54 PM Reply #7 »
Yep, it's really helped Spanish Fling.

Probably takes several runs to have an effect though.  Or maybe even a spell.
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« 2009-Feb-26, 06:11 PM Reply #8 »
Yep, it's really helped Spanish Fling.

Probably takes several runs to have an effect though.  Or maybe even a spell.
:unsu


its not a cure all DD,but does help in a lot of cases,hey allhigh and rodent,whats your opinion on vam?

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« 2009-Feb-26, 07:26 PM Reply #9 »
its not a cure all DD,but does help in a lot of cases,hey allhigh and rodent,whats your opinion on vam?
Will help if dietary intake is inadequate.

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« 2009-Feb-26, 07:46 PM Reply #10 »
I am not a believer, have seen it done and been in the racing game a long time.

To me what a trainer does with the horse after the bleeding is probably the more importent part. :what:

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« 2009-Feb-26, 08:19 PM Reply #11 »
[iwell everyone knows i'm an idiot and my opinion on bleeding and I wouldn't dare try to convince anyone with closed minds anything but i could bring some gear up and bleed a few before they go to breaky creek and see if it improves them

Offline ted e turner

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« 2009-Feb-26, 09:03 PM Reply #12 »
NO COMMENT  letsBLEED OLE BOB?pure toxic labor drivel id suggest :sad:

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« 2009-Feb-26, 10:35 PM Reply #13 »
I am pretty sure that it was Cocktail Supreme that Pat Duff said he had bled, which follows as it was coming off a short let up. My money and the blood went to the same place - down the drain.

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« 2009-Feb-27, 06:13 AM Reply #14 »
I know  alot of trainers use it.  Has to be something to it.

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« 2009-Feb-27, 10:38 AM Reply #15 »
I know  alot of trainers use it.  Has to be something to it.
if they do it there must be a reason

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« 2013-Dec-11, 07:23 AM Reply #16 »
Bump  :tomatoes:

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Offline richo

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« 2013-Dec-11, 07:50 PM Reply #17 »
my opinion hasnt changed

Offline el zoro

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« 2013-Dec-11, 07:56 PM Reply #18 »
Is bleeding a horse illegal? Do any trainers with lots of success do it? Or if they do, would they not disclose it?

 

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« 2013-Dec-11, 08:29 PM Reply #19 »
I have a theory that the reason, in humans, that females live longer than males is that they bleed.

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« 2013-Dec-11, 08:34 PM Reply #20 »
I have a theory that the reason, in humans, that females live longer than males is that they bleed.

That is itself is a shocking thought....so why this theory ?

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« 2013-Dec-11, 09:01 PM Reply #21 »
Not being rude/disturbing here, but this line of thinking has legs IMVHO.

A woman does not, until she goes through menopause, usually have any heart problems. Whereas men do. Once she has gone through menopause she has the same "chance" of  heart trouble as a male.

I know that when I was donating blood to the Red Cross, it actually used to make me feel quite "refreshed". 
The reverse was also true, as one time a fellow donor and myself gave blood, and not heeding the warnings to rest up afterwards we both went to footy training straight after, and were both quite ill for a couple of days.
They won't take mine anymore due to a stint of European travel dating back to the 80's, Mad Cow Disease apparently.
As an aside, it would be interesting to know how many potential donors this rules out, it must number in the thousands.

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« 2013-Dec-12, 07:30 AM Reply #22 »
I have a theory that the reason, in humans, that females live longer than males is that they bleed.

Heard someone on the ABC giving a dozen reasons why they think women live longer than men. Will try to find it & post.

Offline el zoro

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« 2013-Dec-12, 07:54 AM Reply #23 »
1 Men smoke more
2 Men drink more
3 Men eat more high cholesterol foods
4 Men more aggressive - testerone
5 Men partake in more dangerous activities
6 More men tend to partake in criminal activities
7 Suicide - men more successful
8 Women stronger immune system
9 Delay of onset of cardiovascular disease
10 Women make safer choices, men riskier choices
   
In the past, researchers and demographers have chalked this longevity gap up to biological factors, which range from women's supposedly stronger immune system to the genetic benefits of having two X chromosomes.

One reason for that delay in onset of cardiovascular disease could be that women are relatively iron-deficient compared to men especially younger women, those in their late teens and early 20s because of menstruation. Iron plays a very important part in the reactions in our cells that produce damaging free radicals, which glom onto cell membranes and DNA, and may translate into aging the cell. In fact, in our diets, red meat is the main source of iron, and lack of iron is probably one major reason that being vegetarian is healthy for you. There was a very good study looking at the intake of red meat and heart disease in Leiden in the Netherlands: in regions where people didn't eat red meat, those populations had half the rate of heart attack and stroke compared to the populations that did eat red meat.

[There are a few other reasons that men die earlier in life more often than women.] Men in their late teens and 20s go through something called "testosterone storm." The levels of the hormone can be quite high and changeable, and that can induce some pretty dangerous behavior among young men. They don't wear their seatbelts; they drink too much alcohol; they can be aggressive with weapons and so on and so forth. These behaviors lead to a higher death rate.

Another area where we see higher death rates among men is among the depressed especially older men. If they attempt suicide, they are more likely to succeed than women.


But, in general, there are maybe three things men do worse than women. They smoke a lot more. (That gender gap is fortunately shrinking, since men are smoking less and less.) They eat more food that leads to high cholesterol. And, perhaps related to that, men tend not to deal with their stress as well as women. They may be more prone to internalizing that stress rather than letting go though that's a fairly controversial point. Nonetheless, stress plays a very important role in cardiovascular disease.

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« 2013-Dec-12, 08:19 AM Reply #24 »
I have a theory that the reason, in humans, that females live longer than males is that they bleed.

I suppose if you are relating this more to animals then a lot of the 'human factors' can be thrown out.
So is there evidence in animals that the females generally live longer?
 


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