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O.P. « 2007-Jul-09, 06:15 PM »
Diplomatic Force may take on Haradasun

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Trainer Wayne Nichols is considering taking on star galloper Haradasun with promising youngster Diplomatic Force in next month's Bletchingly Stakes at Caulfield.

Trainer Tony Vasil has earmarked the Group Three weight-for-age Bletchingly (1200m) on August 4 as the first-up target for Haradasun who won the George Ryder Stakes and Doncaster Handicap during the Sydney autumn carnival.

Last week, Coolmore Stud acquired a 50 per cent share in Haradasun for an undisclosed sum believed to be in the region of $22 million.

However, that doesn't scare the Benalla based Nichols.

"I'm looking at the Bletchingly as I don't believe Haradasun is invincible," Nichols said.

"He might scare a few others off anyway and my horse will have a light weight.

Nichols said the $100,000 Bletchingly was one of three first-up options for rising three-year-old Diplomatic Force who has been beaten once in four starts between December 2006 and May this year.

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« 2007-Jul-30, 02:48 PM Reply #1 »
3 - BLETCHINGLY STAKES- 1200M

Of $100000 and $750 trophy.  1st $60000 and trophy of $750, 2nd $18000, 3rd $9000, 4th $4500, 5th $2500, 6th $2000, 7th $2000, 8th $2000. Starter Subsidy: $170 for non-prize earning runners. Standard Weight for Age. (GROUP 3). No allowances for apprentices.  Field Limit: 16+4 EM

NoHorseTrainer Rating
1APACHE CATGreg Eurell   (115)
2APAISERPeter Morgan   (91)
3GALLIC (NZ)Graeme Rogerson   (114)
4HARADASUNTony Vasil   (116)
5HONALEEMark Kavanagh   (101)
6LIVE IN VAINPeter G Moody   (105)
7MAYBE BETTERBrian Mayfield-Smith   (114)
8MINSONDavid Hayes   (103)
9WHISKEY 'N' RYEDavid Londregan   (77)
10ZIPPINGGraeme Rogerson   (114)

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« 2007-Jul-30, 03:46 PM Reply #2 »
If you owned one of those stayers, why would you agree to run it in this race? Surely there are other options.

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« 2007-Jul-30, 04:42 PM Reply #3 »
If you owned one of those stayers, why would you agree to run it in this race? Surely there are other options.

I am going to back Apache Cat to beat Haradahype ... i still think he is overrated  :look:

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« 2007-Jul-30, 07:54 PM Reply #4 »
Maybe Better begins Cup campaign

By Robert Windmill   aapracing

Brian Mayfield-Smith wants to get some early kilometres into the legs of Maybe Better who will kick off his Melbourne Cup campaign in Saturday's Bletchingly Stakes at Caulfield.

The rising five-year-old, who finished third in last year's Cup to Japanese stayers Delta Blues and Pop Rock, had only a light autumn to ensure he would be ready for a long spring campaign.

Maybe Better hasn't raced since finishing eighth to Pompeii Ruler in the Australian Cup (2000m) at Caulfield and has a tough first-up assignment with dual Group One winner Haradasun, 2006 Australian Guineas winner Apache Cat and the brilliant Zipping among the 10 nominations for the 1200m Bletchingly.

"It is a mile too short for him," Mayfield-Smith said.

"We are just trying to build up to the Cup again so just want to gradually get those racing kilometres in to his legs."

Mayfield-Smith said the early spring start ensured Maybe Better would have his races spaced up to the first Tuesday in November.

"It will be 1200 metres first-up, then two weeks to the Liston over 1400 metres, three weeks to the 1600 metres of the Makybe Stakes at Flemington on September 8 and then two weeks to the Underwood over 1800 metres," Mayfield-Smith said

On Wednesday, Maybe Better will be among the entries for the Caulfield Cup (2400m) on October 20 and the Melbourne Cup on November 6.

"We are not worried about the Cox Plate at this stage but you never say never," Mayfield-Smith said.

"We are looking at the Melbourne Cup and we will just keep working him up to that.

"That is why we only gave him three starts in the autumn, just to keep him ticking over.

"He is an exciting horse coming into the spring from staying point of view and he has come back a lot stronger which is what I was hoping for."

Haradasun is unbeaten first-up and is the nominal Bletchingly favourite as he resumes after finishing second to Desert War in the Queen Elizabeth Stakes (2000m) at Randwick in April.

At his two previous runs he won the Group One Doncaster Hcp (1600m) and Group One George Ryder Stakes (1500m).

Apache Cat chased Haradasun home at his last two starts when third in the Ryder and fifth in the Doncaster but also has an impressive first-up record with two wins and two thirds from five starts.

Graeme Rogerson has entered both Moonee Valley Cup winner Zipping, who was fourth in last year's Melbourne Cup, and Sydney and Adelaide Cup winner Gallic.

Other Bletchingly entries are last start Monash Stakes placegetters Live In Vain (second) and Honalee (third), as well as Apaiser, Minson, and Whiskey 'n' Rye.

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« 2007-Jul-30, 07:57 PM Reply #5 »
Apache Cat ready to pounce this spring

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Greg Eurell isn't fazed by the thought of taking on outstanding galloper Haradasun with his own stable star Apache Cat in the Bletchingly Stakes at Caulfield on Saturday week.

Haradasun has had the better of Apache Cat on the two occasions they have met, both during the Sydney autumn, but Eurell has confidence in the baldy faced chestnut performing well fresh as he usually does and then going on to have a successful spring campaign.

"He's come to hand really well. He's just in great shape. I'm really happy with him," Eurell said.

"He's come back better than ever and he's a bit more forward than last preparation.

"He's definitely bulked up. We left him in New South Wales at a property on the Hawkesbury River."

"He's terrific fresh and more seasoned now.

"He's in a routine where he just goes out and does his work.

"He's the best he's been, he's just going lovely but he needs to be."

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« 2007-Jul-31, 09:54 AM Reply #6 »
"Graeme Rogerson has entered both Moonee Valley Cup winner Zipping, who was fourth in last year's Melbourne Cup, and Sydney and Adelaide Cup winner Gallic."

 :D as if Rogie had any say in it.

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« 2007-Jul-31, 11:40 AM Reply #7 »
Lloyd says they won't start.

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« 2007-Aug-01, 01:44 PM Reply #8 »
Lloyd says they won't start.

Seems strange to me that he would nominate if he wasn't going to start them .... but then again i guess he has to much money ::)
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« 2007-Aug-02, 01:44 PM Reply #9 »
5 - 2.35PM - TARALYE FOUNDATION BLETCHINGLY STAKES- 1200 M

Of $100750  Of $100000 and $750 trophy.  1st $60000 and trophy of $750, 2nd $18000, 3rd $9000, 4th $4500, 5th $2500, 6th $2000, 7th $2000, 8th $2000. Starter Subsidy: $170 for non-prize earning runners. Standard Weight for Age. (GROUP 3). No allowances for apprentices.  Field Limit: 16+4 EM

No.HorseTrainerJockeyBarrWgtPenRTG
1 HARADASUNTony VasilD Oliver7 58.5(116)
2 APACHE CATGreg EurellM Rodd5 58.5(115)
3 MAYBE BETTERBrian Mayfield-SmithS W Arnold1 58.5(114)
4 LIVE IN VAINPeter G MoodyJ Benbow2 58.5(105)
5 HONALEEMark KavanaghSteven King4 58.5(101)
6 MINSONDavid HayesC Williams3 58.5(103)
7 APAISERPeter MorganL Nolen6 56(91)

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« 2007-Aug-03, 12:02 AM Reply #10 »
HARADASUN

Two first up runs in his career have resulted in a 10 length demolition job in a Swan Hill Maiden and an impressive win in a Listed event at Caulfield back in January.  That was over the 1200, and was also just nosed out by the classy Miss Finland here back in the Spring.  Finsihed off his Autumn campaign taking the Ryder and Doncaster before a brave second in the Queen Elizabeth.

Last 5 Ratings - 57.5 60 59 56 54.5
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« 2007-Aug-03, 12:07 AM Reply #11 »
APACHE CAT

Dominant win here first up in the Autumn after very competitive in the Aurie's Star first up back in the Spring.  That was his first win over this short a distance since 2005 however.  Promising Autumn campaign ended with consecutive defeats at the hands of Haradasun when close up in both the Ryder and Doncaster.

Last 5 Ratings - 57.5 58.5 58.5 58 56.5
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« 2007-Aug-03, 12:11 AM Reply #12 »
MAYBE BETTER

Has seem to lose his first up ping as career has progressed although was excellent when 5th to Miss Andretti first up at the Valley in Group 1 company this Autumn.  Went down to the track specialist Speedy Rossa when first up at Flemington last Spring.  Hasn't won at such a short trip since his 2005 first up effort, but was second although well held to Red Dazzler in Listed Company here last Spring.  Was given a quick prep in the Autumn where he was competitive while never threatening in the highest of company.

Last 5 Ratings - 54.5 51.5 50.5 51.5 57
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« 2007-Aug-03, 04:20 AM Reply #13 »
Thanks Calgary

So which one of the three do favour, or is that the order in which you favour them ?

I am still going to back the Cat  :beer:

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« 2007-Aug-03, 12:06 PM Reply #14 »
Patience Magic - all will be revealed in good time. :p

LIVE IN VAIN

Dynamite leading sprinter who has been in good recent form over the winter, admittedly in lesser quality races.  Ran a nice 2nd too boom horse Lucky Secret in the John Monash last start, and beat the handy Dr Nipandtuck over 1400m before that.  Has performed at this level before when a nice 3rd behind Malcolm on Derby Day last spring but that was on a dynamite leaders track that was likely to suit.

Past 5 Ratings - 52.5 51.5 45.5 50 36
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« 2007-Aug-03, 12:25 PM Reply #15 »
Patience Magic - all will be revealed in good time. :p
Only got till tommorow, i may want to take overs on fixed price betting :D

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« 2007-Aug-03, 01:20 PM Reply #16 »
HONALEE

Came back well from a break when placed behind Lucky Secret and Live In Vain in the John Monash.  Has yet to win 2nd up from 5 career starts often in lesser company than he will meet here.  Didn't really seem to fire last spring which may also be a concern.

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« 2007-Aug-03, 02:23 PM Reply #17 »
MINSON

An enigmatic character now with David Hayes after losing all form halfway through last Spring.  Was brilliant defeating the likes of Red Dazzler and Snort first up here in the Spring and a repeat of that performance would see him right in the race.  Has failed to show that kind of form since however and was dead last in his only Aumtumn run, admittedly in Group 1 company.

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« 2007-Aug-03, 03:15 PM Reply #18 »
APAISER

Was less competitive than Honalee first up when worse than midfield at big odds in the John Monash.  Dominantly won her Maiden 2nd up back in 2005, and was competitive 2nd up on 1000 Guineas day here last Spring.  Has normally raced over a longer trip in her career to date suggesting the 1200 may be a concern here.

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« 2007-Aug-03, 04:22 PM Reply #19 »
SPEED MAP

xxxxxx - Apaiser      - Apache Cat - Haradasun
Minson - Live In Vain - Honalee    - Maybe Better

SUMMARY

The top two appear to have it between them, having both consistently rated well above the others last prep.  I have given a slight edge to Apache Cat, as the pace is unlikely to be fast and he is likely to be ahead of Haradasun turning for home.  It will be up to the champ to see if he can run him down.  Apache Cat also appeals at the early-bird prices with over a point between the top two in the betting.  Minson may be able to give a sight assuming that Hayes can return him to his early career form.  If this is not the case than Live In Vain with winter fitness on his side is likely to fill the 3rd hole.

Good Luck!

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« 2007-Aug-03, 04:53 PM Reply #20 »
Nice commentary calgary. 8-)

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« 2007-Aug-03, 05:48 PM Reply #21 »
I really do like Apaiser (no I'm not drunk)--her run 1st up was enormous as she didn't get a clear run until about the 100 and got to the line as good as anything else.  Happy to take the $51 each way

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« 2007-Aug-03, 06:12 PM Reply #22 »
I really do like Apaiser (no I'm not drunk)--her run 1st up was enormous as she didn't get a clear run until about the 100 and got to the line as good as anything else.  Happy to take the $51 each way

Only 7 runners - is it really worth it?

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« 2007-Aug-03, 06:28 PM Reply #23 »
Apache chasing Haradasun's scalp

By Robert Windmill   aapracing

Apache Cat will be on the warpath when he has a showdown with glamour four-year-old Haradasun in Saturday's Group Three Bletchingly Stakes at Caulfield.

Trainer Greg Eurell said the baldy-faced chestnut had his chance to turn the tables on the $45 million entire who twice beat Apache Cat in the autumn, in the George Ryder Stakes and Doncaster Handicap.

"There will be a battle on there tomorrow," Eurell said.

"Haradasun is a quality horse but our bloke is a tough street fighter and he won't lie down.

"It will be an interesting race and I wouldn't discount him beating Haradasun."

Bookmakers have the Bletchingly as a two-horse race with Haradasun resuming as odds-on favourite with TAB Sportsbet at $1.70 ahead of Apache Cat, who is also first-up, at $2.90.

Apache Cat gave Haradasun three kilos when beaten less than a length when third to him in the Ryder and gave him an extra kilo when beaten two lengths into fifth place in the Doncaster.

Both horses will carry 58.5kg at weight-for-age tomorrow and Eurell couldn't be happier with Apache Cat who is a noted first-up performer.

"I am happy in the fact that we will be racing each other at level weights," Eurell said.

"Haradasun has had the upper hand on us both times we've met but my bloke is in great order and I am happy for him to meet Haradasun under these conditions.

"If Apache Cat beats him then I would say he deserved it."

Trainer Tony Vasil said Haradasun had furnished into a beautiful horse but believed he was under the odds at $1.60.

"I think Apache Cat is the horse to beat," Vasil said.

"He's a terrific horse and even though we beat him in Sydney on two occasions, one race was over 1500 metres and one was over 1600 metres.

"He (Apache Cat) is probably harder to beat over 1200 metres."

Vasil said Haradasun, who has won six of his 10 starts, was fit and ready to race but he hasn't got him wound up with the Cox Plate still nearly 2-1/2 months away.

"Obviously tomorrow isn't the be-all and end-all of everything," Vasil said.

"There is improvement in him.

"His target this preparation is the Cox Plate and whatever he wins on the way is a bonus."

Michael Rodd will have his first ride on Apache Cat tomorrow while Damien Oliver, who rode Apache Cat in both the Ryder and the Doncaster, will start a spring commitment with Haradasun.

Both Haradasun and Apache Cat will head to the Liston Stakes (1400m) at Caulfield in two weeks but are likely to go on separate paths after the Makybe Stakes (1600m) at Flemington on September 8.

Eurell said Apache Cat had to be convincing at 1600 metres for the Cox Plate to become a serious target.

"He would have to change a little bit in himself," Eurell said.

"It would depend on how he raced over 1600 metres whether he would give us the confidence to stretch him out in distance again."

Apache Cat has won nine of his 22 starts but failed at his only two attempts at 2000 metres last spring when seventh in the Turnbull Stakes and seventh to Fields of Omagh in the Cox Plate.

The Group One Toorak Hcp (1600m) and the Group One Emirates Stakes (1600m) are among his spring targets.

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« 2007-Aug-03, 07:51 PM Reply #24 »
I really do like Apaiser (no I'm not drunk)--her run 1st up was enormous as she didn't get a clear run until about the 100 and got to the line as good as anything else.  Happy to take the $51 each way

Only 7 runners - is it really worth it?

Well she may run below expectations and only manage to get 2nd


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