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Offline napes

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« 2020-Oct-30, 09:23 AM Reply #25 »
Don't think a few free bets is going to smooth over $180k turnaraound.

Worth a crack in court to see if they settle  :chin:

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« 2020-Oct-30, 10:57 AM Reply #26 »
My guess is in the absence of a compromise offer from TAB  he'll be off to a no win no pay law firm and if they consider there are useful precedents for his case it's a good chance they'll take it on probably around 30% in it for them if they win .......experience if they lose.

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2020-Oct-30, 10:59 AM Reply #27 »
Anyone know what in the end happened to the Tab Quaddie Cashout issues? They paid a few quite erroneously and then stopped the withdrawals. Lucky for the Tab it was Covid19 closure times so they could stop it.

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« 2020-Oct-30, 01:54 PM Reply #28 »
Still "unavailable"

Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2020-Oct-30, 09:26 PM Reply #29 »
Unsolicited email in my In Box

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Offline napes

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« 2020-Nov-02, 11:20 AM Reply #30 »
They are quite good.

Until you win.

Offline Dave

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« 2020-Nov-10, 03:13 PM Reply #31 »
I must say in most of these "complaints" I must comedown on the Bookies side, I have an account with BBet, I am assuming you don't mean Blue Bet? (I have never had a problem with Blue Bet either)BBet did honour their matched deposit offer, actually they have done it twice and I have always been in front with them, so it has nothing to with being a loser,  Started with a matched $500 deposit, then a couple of weeks ago out of the blue they offered a 50% matched deposit up to $500($500 deposit that is) I now have in excess of $3300 in their account (from $1,000 in deposits)and have never had cause to complain
Nex I see a complaint re doubles betting and reduced odds on a same horse multi(it's a stupid bet but ignoring that aspect) The rule is there so if you took a Multi where a horse was say 200/1 in both legs you are talking 40,000/1 the double, when if it wins the first leg it will be perhaps single figures in the second leg, be nice to have something that was $4 going at odds of 40,000/1 wouldn't it? as Arthur tried to explain, that is what happened in 1962 with Even Steven's, It took doubles bookies decades to recover from that "sting" it has Zero to do with the Government, that was a silly assumption, if you don't like it then don't be stupid, just don't accept it, it is your choice after all!
it wasn't to protect themselves from a $10 punter having a bet on a favoured runner....but they have the same rules for everyone, surely you can grasp that concept?
Now in fairness I have been restricted by nearly every Australian Bookie, but again in fairness I can't blame them for that, I have no axe to grind, oh wait, The TAB are a bit shady but that was a long time ago....and I took my business elsewhere......I suggest that may be the answer

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2020-Nov-10, 04:05 PM Reply #32 »
they offered a 50% matched deposit up to $500



Isnít that illegal?

Offline Dave

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« 2020-Nov-10, 06:05 PM Reply #33 »
No Wily, it's not illegal, it is only illegal to offer you and inducement to join, not an inducement to deposit once you have joined, gee you don't know how the system works, do you??
When you see a knew bookie pop up, which happens now and then, what you do is join (without depositing) They cannot offer it to join....but once you have already made the decision to join, some/most will then offer you an incentive to deposit and/or bet....and there you have a loophole.......but don't tell anyone! It's all legal apparently...for now
It's a free country, you can do what you want, they just don't want incentive offers to get people to do what they otherwise would not have done, once you have joined of your own free will, then they can offer you their "specials" the same as any business.....ate Least that is what happens, really I am just assuming it's legal, I do not have a Law degree

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2020-Nov-10, 07:30 PM Reply #34 »
Iíve asked a few to do that if I reignite my dormant account and been told to bugger off  ;)

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« 2020-Nov-10, 08:20 PM Reply #35 »
That is because it is their policy, not because it's illegal, none of my "old accounts" would do it either, cos I have already had the join up bonus long, long ago, I was talking about new bookies that you haven't used before, have you tried Dave Dwyer? personally he isn't my cuppa tea, he doesn't put any prices up until the morning of the races...and not early morning either, usually around 11 am...but he will offer you a sign up bonus, he is affiliated with Racing Rant and offers the equivalent to 4 weeks rant dues for every $500 deposit, that is a bonus of $116/$500 but he will give you that even if you're not a rant member...and when I joined that was in Cash too....not bonus bets!
I tried Robbie waterhouse too but after I won with him there was no contact available, ZERO customer service, they would not even answer that pop up gismo...so I withdrew all my money from them, not that I had a complaint until they became uncontactable but had no trouble withdrawing all my money and it was a few thousand, they did offer a sign up bonus at the time I joined, again no prices until mid morning on raceday, Blue Bet also offer bonus money but not a sign up bonus from memory, they just recently offered me $200 matched deposit bonus even though I hadn't bet with them in a while, I always take it them look for something(anything) that they are betting around the same price as I can lay on Betfair, if it wins I break even....if it gets beaten I turn the bonus money into real money, Last saturday I had $600 in bonusa money spread between a few Bookies, they were betting between $4 and $4.20 about Kementari in Perth, at the same time I could lay it for as much as I wanted to at $3.70, I had the $600 on it, if it wins I win approx $240, if it loses I turn the $600 bonus money into real cash, heads I win and tails I can't lose
The system is set up to beat you......but it is full of holes(loopholes) the trick is to look for the loopholes and find them, not necessarily winners!

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« 2020-Nov-10, 09:31 PM Reply #36 »

Nex I see a complaint re doubles betting and reduced odds on a same horse multi(it's a stupid bet but ignoring that aspect) The rule is there so if you took a Multi where a horse was say 200/1 in both legs you are talking 40,000/1 the double, when if it wins the first leg it will be perhaps single figures in the second leg, be nice to have something that was $4 going at odds of 40,000/1 wouldn't it?

Dave it's not though is it, it's 200/1 when you place the bet  ;) There's no logic nor rational for the reduction of the odds in the second leg, the events are mutually exclusive in the point of time when you place the bet.


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« 2020-Nov-11, 04:59 PM Reply #37 »
Gin I am not emotionally involved, I do not have an opinion on whether it is fair or not....some probably think it ain't fair that Birds can fly and they can't, but that is the facts, Birds can fly and people can't.....Bookies make the rules and punters can't.....where we have the power is in the decision to bet...or NOT!!
I was just explaining the rationale behind their decision, like it or not, it ain't gunna change!.......but we can still beat them....if we play smart, the trick is to know when things are in your favour....and when they're not....

Offline Gintara

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« 2020-Nov-11, 10:00 PM Reply #38 »
That's why I don't take them but I can only laugh when that 'rationale' is trotted out as a reason.

It doesn't wash and there's simply no logic behind it.

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« 2020-Nov-11, 11:19 PM Reply #39 »
No Logic,

What about Bayesian Probabilities?

Fours

Offline Dave

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« 2020-Nov-12, 01:14 PM Reply #40 »
Gin you may not agree with the logic, nevertheless the logic is there, to say there is no logic behind it is childish....and your assumption that the horse is 200/1 in the second leg is flawed as well, the bookies are still standing it at 20,000/1 even after they cut it in halves, that is what happened in 1962, you can stick your head in the sand all you want, that won't change the facts or the Logic!
I don't take these type of bets as the bookies already have far too much in the favour without giving them a walk up start
P.S. I do agree with you that it isn't fair....but I can see why bookies do it, it's insurance against another Even Stevens, who needed to win the Coongy handicap 3 days before the Caulfield Cup in order to scrape in, he did that, then won the 2 cups and on the following Saturday won the CB Fisher Plate beating Aquanita and Sky High at WFA, he was a monte in the Cups with a light weight.....even after copping the full 10LB penalty in the Melbourne Cup, he still carried a stone less than WFA, Bookies would still be having nightmares about it 58 years later, if you remembered those times you would see the logic

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« 2020-Nov-12, 05:33 PM Reply #41 »
Not quite old enough  :shy:

I always hear the 'but if it wins the first leg it will be shorter in the 2nd' yeah great but the 1st leg hasn't run, the odds are here and now, prior to the 1st event.

Offline arthur

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« 2020-Nov-12, 08:33 PM Reply #42 »
I don't take these type of bets as the bookies already have far too much in the favour without giving them a walk up start

They didn't have enough in their favour with Even Stevens . . by a long chalk

For those like Gin, who are 'not quite old enough' . .  Dig up and read the story . . You'll be pleased that you did

This was an object lesson in bringing off a coup . . an annihilation of doubles bookmakers by astute men with the able assistance of a doubles bookie who did not lose on the 'Cups Double' that year . . and probably every other year

Even Peter M would applaud . .  :whistle:


PS . . I don't really expect to see a "Punters' Ethics" thread any time soon ; but long may the battle continue . .

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2020-Nov-13, 08:51 AM Reply #43 »
What do they do if you take a treble with one horse winning 2 legs :chin:

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« 2020-Nov-17, 04:08 AM Reply #44 »
What do they do if you take a treble with one horse winning 2 legs :chin:

Mate can you run that one past me again?

Am I taking it too literally? In the old days a horse could win two legs because they were allowed to run in more than one race on the same day.


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