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Offline j.r.b.

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O.P. « 2018-Mar-08, 08:10 AM »
Refused to jump again at the trials this morning. Brad Davidson reports that he eventually left the gates and trailed the field around.

His T J Smith defence, and indeed his entire Autumn campaign, must be in some doubt.

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« 2018-Mar-08, 09:35 AM Reply #1 »
Have they tried degelding him ?

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« 2018-Mar-08, 11:44 AM Reply #2 »
Surely he must immediately go for a spell.

I don't care whether the vets can't find anything wrong with him which I would assume is the case.

The horse is obviously telling his connections all is definitely not right.

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« 2018-Mar-08, 12:01 PM Reply #3 »
Needs a change of scenery

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« 2018-Mar-08, 07:46 PM Reply #4 »
He is like all of us, with age, he is starting to overestimate his abilities and show off.
He is, quite simply, handicapping himself...giving them the start he thinks they need.
Time to retire?

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« 2018-Mar-08, 09:07 PM Reply #5 »
Doumaran had 3 refusal to jumps with Lloyd Williams.

Spent a year with D Weir and only got as far as a trial nom......but was scratched.

Last time we'll see Chautauqua I'd say.

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« 2018-Mar-08, 09:22 PM Reply #6 »
Looks like he doesn't want to be a "racehorse " any more. I know a few old time trainers who would be a good chance of getting him going but maybe their methods would be frowned on in this day and age.

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« 2018-Mar-19, 08:04 AM Reply #7 »
Failed to jump at the Cranbourne trials this morning.

That's now 4/4 times this prep.

Fair to say he won't be going to the T J Smith.

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« 2018-Mar-19, 09:25 AM Reply #8 »
Racing needs his kind of quirkiness to entertain the masses on course.

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« 2018-Mar-19, 10:33 AM Reply #9 »
Racing needs his kind of quirkiness to entertain the masses on course.

I'm not sure those "unwashed masses", who wouldn't know a horses pedigree from a hole in the ground, would be entertained by the conveyer of their hard-earned  not leaving the barriers. 

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« 2018-Mar-19, 11:06 AM Reply #10 »
I am actually surprised Team Hawkes have not asked Stewards for permission to trial at Moonee Valley on Friday night to simulate race night adrenaline pumping atmosphere to see if he jumps.


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« 2018-Mar-20, 07:47 AM Reply #11 »
It has only been in more recent times that I've heard Wayne Hawkes talking about Chautauqua needing some give in the ground.

Must be very uncomfortable for horses to be forced to gallop full bore on very hard ground and maybe he simply won't do it anymore.

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« 2018-Jul-27, 01:07 PM Reply #12 »
Has been reset and must have two successful barrier trials before being allowed to race again following on from his refusal to jump on Monday's trial which had a star studded line up including the great mare who wasn't pushed

http://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2018Jul23&VenueCode=MTk1OTk4NA==&RaceNumber=1&MeetingCategory=Trial&VideoFileType=FullReplay

Trial was won by She Will Reign, a rank failure in last year's Everest.

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« 2018-Jul-28, 05:22 PM Reply #13 »
She Will Reign is now a miler.

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« 2018-Aug-07, 02:29 PM Reply #14 »
After today there are only 2 alternatives for Chautauqua. The first is for the owners to give him to someone else and the second is to retire him.

Personally I think they should forget about any ego or greed that the Hawkes might  have and try him with another trainer. Sure it may end up being a So Si Bon type scenario where  you get the same result 5 months later but why not try it.

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« 2018-Aug-07, 02:32 PM Reply #15 »
Totally agree
Get monty and another trainer but the owners are too loyal to Hawkes I suggest

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« 2018-Aug-07, 07:37 PM Reply #16 »
https://www.punters.com.au/news/no-decision-yet-on-chautauqua-_171193/

Stewards have advised Hawkes that should he continue to attempt to race Chautauqua, they will require submissions from connections as to why nominations for barrier trials and race meetings should not be refused.


It appears Monty is the only option left.......no news on whether the owners have considered his offer...  what possible submissions could be made to convince the stewards to accept his noms for trials or a race...game over unless Monty performs another miracle.

Giddy Up  :beer:

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« 2018-Aug-07, 09:01 PM Reply #17 »

.................. whispering for a share

Not all believe in whisperers but if the Monty one is prepared to do it for just 'expenses' -- plus a share of future earnings he should get a go.

It is a bet most would like to see placed.

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« 2018-Aug-08, 12:32 PM Reply #18 »
I would like to make a couple of points,
First point and something I don't think anyone has touched on is the reason Chautauqua has got a bee in his bonnet, Chautauqua has always been a horse with a mind of his own, he needs to do it "his way" and that was how both Tommy Berry in NSW and Dwayne Dunn in Victoria rode him and Chautauqua was happy that way, he did his very best for them.....then after years of faithful service they put Avdulla on him and he digs the spurs in.....what would you do under those circumstances? Well if I was Chautauqua after years of giving my all I would do exactly what Chautauqua did....refuse to take part...........he is a horse that always needed to be kidded to, treated with Kid gloves....not spurs.....

second point, now he has learnt bad habits he needs a Horse whisperer with a gentle hand to bring him back to the fold......I can't believe John Hawkes let his ego make this decision(and it can't be anything else as he had multiple goes before this last time and failed) he would rather lose the horse to racing than step aside and let someone else have a go, that is pure ego!

Hawkes is a great trainer but this is something different....creating good habits is a whole different ball game than breaking a bad habit, especially in an old horse, someone like Monty understands this and has been doing it all his life, they should have tried the obvious alternative

in saying that I don't think it is the Stewards business to be telling the owners that he should be retired....listening to punters bleat is a waste of time, punting has always been caveat emptor and that is the way it should be.........so long as the people are trying that is all a Punter can ask.....a lot of horses are dishonest conveyances and that isn't a reason to ban them.....Chautauqua has paid his dues, let him race if the owners so decide

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« 2018-Aug-08, 02:30 PM Reply #19 »
I remember watching Chautauqua's mum Lovely Jubly when she first started racing.

You could see she had all the ability in the world but clearly had a mind of her own.

While she was a very good racehorse by any measure she did in fact retire with an embargo for hanging.

You can't pick your genes.
« Last Edit: 2018-Aug-08, 05:45 PM by nemisis »

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« 2018-Aug-08, 04:16 PM Reply #20 »
He is a gelding and if anyone offered him $250k will they sell or retire him?

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« 2018-Aug-08, 05:29 PM Reply #21 »
Well if it is genetic . . "The Buck Stops Here!" . . So to speak



I think I would be giving Monty a call . .

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« 2018-Aug-08, 05:36 PM Reply #22 »
You can't help wondering what "tricks" John Hawkes has been trying with the horse.  :o......he did look pretty switched on yesterday.

I don't think whispering in his ear was one of them.

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« 2018-Aug-08, 06:01 PM Reply #23 »
I know some old bush trainers who would have applied some of the principles that old 'horse-whisperer' called Faraday

They would have him switched on . .




Faraday's methods have been largely rejected, but I am sure that many city slicker trainers have at least heard of them

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« 2018-Aug-08, 06:43 PM Reply #24 »
I would like to make a couple of points,
First point and something I don't think anyone has touched on is the reason Chautauqua has got a bee in his bonnet, Chautauqua has always been a horse with a mind of his own, he needs to do it "his way" and that was how both Tommy Berry in NSW and Dwayne Dunn in Victoria rode him and Chautauqua was happy that way, he did his very best for them.....then after years of faithful service they put Avdulla on him and he digs the spurs in.....what would you do under those circumstances? Well if I was Chautauqua after years of giving my all I would do exactly what Chautauqua did....refuse to take part...........he is a horse that always needed to be kidded to, treated with Kid gloves....not spurs.....

second point, now he has learnt bad habits he needs a Horse whisperer with a gentle hand to bring him back to the fold......I can't believe John Hawkes let his ego make this decision(and it can't be anything else as he had multiple goes before this last time and failed) he would rather lose the horse to racing than step aside and let someone else have a go, that is pure ego!

Hawkes is a great trainer but this is something different....creating good habits is a whole different ball game than breaking a bad habit, especially in an old horse, someone like Monty understands this and has been doing it all his life, they should have tried the obvious alternative

in saying that I don't think it is the Stewards business to be telling the owners that he should be retired....listening to punters bleat is a waste of time, punting has always been caveat emptor and that is the way it should be.........so long as the people are trying that is all a Punter can ask.....a lot of horses are dishonest conveyances and that isn't a reason to ban them.....Chautauqua has paid his dues, let him race if the owners so decide

Is that right, Avdulla used spurs on him ?



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