Author Topic: Chautauqua woes (Read 4533 times)

wily ole dog · « 2018-Aug-08, 06:49 PM **Reply #25** »

Interesting question

Dave · « 2018-Aug-08, 07:08 PM **Reply #26** »

Authorised, Avdulla uses spurs on everything unless he is told to take them off but as he has never ridden for me I doubt anyone has ever sent him back to the Jockeys room to "undress"

Peter Mair · « 2018-Aug-08, 07:45 PM **Reply #27** »

There are excellent people in racing -- among others.

John Hawkes deserves great respect as someone who would never put a personal concern in the way of the utmost integrity -- I would say nothing to suggest otherwise

D-G · « 2018-Aug-08, 09:07 PM **Reply #28** »

Have a look at the horses form since he returned from Hong Kong.
In 9 races and 10 trials since he went to Hong Kong, he has won 1 race and not produced in virtually all the rest of his assignments.

Most will recall the plan was to head to Europe after HK, but the plan changed rapidly a day or 2 after his Sha Tin win

Dave · « 2018-Aug-08, 10:59 PM **Reply #29** »

He did come back from Hong Kong to win a Group One for Tommy Berry, so that kinda blows that theory
The common denominator that he didn't come back from but got progressively worse was Avdulla and spurs!
all just theories of course and no one really knows but obviously John Hawkes has tried everything he knows and Chautauqua is not responding at all, that in itself is not an indictment of John Hawkes horse skills or his integrity,
Hawkes would have hundreds of horses on his books, he just would not have time to devote hours a day, every day to one horse, no matter how good that horse was......

If the horse was mine I would call in someone who could work one on one with the horse for as long as it takes.....someone like Monty Roberts or Pat Parelli.......but he ain't mine so I will respect what ever they decide

PoisonPen7 · « 2018-Aug-08, 11:19 PM **Reply #30** »

I think the "show cause" thing is the stewards kind way of saying his racing days are over.

Imagine if after a few more barrier trials he finally did get to the races and then he didn't jump. There would be hell to pay.

He has been a magnificent sprinter - not too many rungs behind Black Caviar IMO. But even Winx is approaching the end of her career. You cannot keep them going forever.

The use of a horse whisperer? Gimme a break.

firezuki · « 2018-Aug-09, 05:20 AM **Reply #31** »

Champion. Give him his paddock.

Dave · « 2018-Aug-09, 10:45 AM **Reply #32** »

PP you need a break! the horse can be cured, he has a mental issue, you need someone who understands that....not someone like you who has never patted a horse!
He is a gelding his future is in a paddock on cold winter nights......better off in a stable getting 3 squares a day, rugged and looked after like a King 24/7 with the best vet care money can buy if he has any health issues.....don't kid yourself that retirement is what is best for Chautauqua

Arsenal · « 2018-Aug-21, 05:26 PM **Reply #33** »

Chautauqua's special trial on Saturday
Andrew Eddy@fastisheddy 11:17am

Chautauqua will have one more chance to revive his racing career this spring after Racing NSW announced he will compete in a special trial between races this Saturday at Rosehill.

The trial will be restricted to eight starters that are to be determined by Racing NSW and be held over 1000 metres between Races 3 and 4 at Rosehill.

Chautauqua, who has been under the care of a thoroughbred behaviourist in recent weeks, has six times refused to jump from the gates - the latest occasion less than two weeks ago at Rosehill - and has been banned from racing until he does trials successfully on two separate occasions.

Racing NSW stewards advised: "In allowing Chautauqua to barrier trial again, the stewards were mindful of the submissions made by connections and were encouraged by the gelding satisfactorily jumping from the barriers in numerous jumpouts," a statement read.

"In addition, the stewards were conscious of providing every opportunity to the connections of Chautauqua to enable the gelding to return to racing and are satisfied on the available evidence that recent failures to begin from the barriers are related to behavioural issues and not a veterinary condition that is causing the gelding to remain in the barriers."

If Chautauqua manages to jump from the gates in Saturday's trial the dream of a spot in the $13 million The Everest may not be over, with part-owner Greg Ingham's GPI Racing expected to offer the grey a slot in the richest turf race in the world.

Saturday's trial came about following a request from Chautauqua's part-owner Rupert Legh after Chautauqua successfully jumped from the barriers four times in a row from August 17 to August 21.

Stewards said: "In making the application, the connections have provided the following submissions:

1. The gelding has been placed under the care of a well-respected thoroughbred behaviourist and has responded well to his methods;

2. The stewards have received evidence of Chautauqua on 16, 17, 20 and 21 August 2018 completing a number of jumpouts conducted at Rosehill Gardens Racecourse, whereby he jumped satisfactory on all occasions, including before ATC Starter, Mr Dale Jeffs, this morning; and

3. An application was made to allow Chautauqua to compete in an official barrier trial to be conducted between races at Rosehill Gardens on Saturday, 25 August 2018, to simulate raceday conditions.

After giving consideration to the submissions, the stewards have permitted Chautauqua to barrier trial in an open raceday barrier trial to be conducted at Rosehill Gardens on Saturday, 25 August 2018, on the following conditions:

1. Chautauqua be required to barrier trial to the satisfaction of the Stewards in two consecutive official barrier trials prior to being given permission to race again; and

2. Should the gelding refuse to jump from the barriers in any of those official barrier trials, then Racing NSW Stewards would refuse the nominations of the gelding from barrier trials and races under the provisions of AR50.

The specialist has not been named ........although the results in jump outs look promising....Saturday is the test he needs to pass....must be some confidence to seek this trial so soon ....fingers crossed he does well.

Giddy Up

Arsenal · « 2018-Aug-24, 09:06 AM **Reply #34** »

Champ ‘right’ to jump back
RUSSELL GOULD

NO WAY: Chautauqua fails to leave the barriers in a trial.

THE mystery equine behaviourist given the task of taming barrier rogue Chautauqua was asked point-blank last week if the grey flash was ready to go back to the races.

Without hesitation the answer was “yes”.

Rupert Legh, part owner of the superstar sprinter, is adamant he has a happy, healthy horse that wants to keep racing, and just needs to shake what connections have determined is merely a “bad habit”.

It’s a habit he’s seemingly kicked if footage Legh passed on to racing NSW stewards, of a series of successful private jump outs and other trackwork, is any indication.

Legh even suggested Racing NSW chief steward Marc Van Gestel, who will ban Chautauqua from racing if he doesn’t jump in a special trial at Rosehill on Saturday, talk to the behaviourist himself.

Exactly what Chautauqua has been doing to get over his bad barrier habit remains private, with Legh to reveal all should the eight-year-old get through the first of two required trials this weekend.

But Legh said he had footage that would make people go “wow”, including vision of Chautauqua standing on a box under the watchful eye of his therapist, who wants to remain “low key”.

“We’ve been really buoyed by what he’s been doing the last couple of weeks,” he said.

“As our man said, he’s a very hard nut to crack, a very strong-willed horse.

“I’ve been reluctant to make public what we have been doing behind the scenes to correct the horse. But it’s about fixing a habit.

“People are getting confused between a habit and a horse not wanting to race. We can all develop bad habits. You have to break that habit and that’s why we have been doing something different.”

Legh has become increasingly frustrated with “ïll-informed” views and opinions surrounding their decision to persist with getting Chautuaqua, a winner of five Group 1s and nearly $9 million in prizemoney, back to the races after six failed barriers trials.

“All other people in the industry, other trainers, are encouraging me to keep going down this path,” he said. “But (stewards) are listening to what I could call uninformed people making commentary without knowing what I know and seeing what I see.”

Legh said he “flippantly” suggested Chautauqua would race overseas if he didn’t jump on Saturday and the ban was upheld, but that no real thought had been given to anything beyond this trial.

The mystery equine behaviourist doesn't want to be identified I expect he's keeping mum in case his expertise fails to make the horse jump...but when and if it happens his name will be revealed that's just a guess.....I hope it works for everyone's sake.

Giddy Up

kicker · « 2018-Aug-24, 10:00 AM **Reply #35** »

Regardless of if he jumps tomorrow, as good as he once was, I simply can't fathom how an Everest slot holder would take the risk with him.

wily ole dog · « 2018-Aug-24, 10:39 AM **Reply #36** »

I think one of the part owners is a slot holder

sobig · « 2018-Aug-24, 02:04 PM **Reply #37** »

Quote from: wily ole dog on 2018-Aug-24, 10:39 AM

I think one of the part owners is a slot holder

And has given his slot to Invincible Star

Authorized · « 2018-Aug-25, 01:32 PM **Reply #38** »

Think Ron Dufficy just said Berry has spurs on for this trial.

Gintara · « 2018-Aug-25, 01:39 PM **Reply #39** »

Quote from: Authorized on 2018-Aug-25, 01:32 PM

Think Ron Dufficy just said Berry has spurs on for this trial.

He did say it but didn't look like it unless they were black

Regardless that wasn't up to scratch.

Which must be so frustrating for the Hawkes as he looks a million dollars and to see him cruise up like he did is shows he must be working well

PoisonPen7 · « 2018-Aug-25, 01:51 PM **Reply #40** »

Well the horse whisperer didn't work.

Is it too politically incorrect to suggest a cattle prod?

Authorized · « 2018-Aug-25, 01:55 PM **Reply #41** »

Quote from: PoisonPen7 on 2018-Aug-25, 01:51 PM

Well the horse whisperer didn't work.

Is it too politically incorrect to suggest a cattle prod?

Not sure if he gets another chance but I suspect if the Stewards do not ban him then Monty Roberts might be called out.

specialweek2 · « 2018-Aug-25, 02:05 PM **Reply #42** »

Quote from: Authorized on 2018-Aug-25, 01:55 PM

Not sure if he gets another chance but I suspect if the Stewards do not ban him than Monty Roberts might be called out.

Monty might be better THAN the rest so he should be called THEN. Annoys me the incorrect use of then and than almost as much as Most Australian sports commentary stacked with the use of "ON THAT OCCASION".

wily ole dog · « 2018-Aug-25, 02:22 PM **Reply #43** »

Who was the supposed horse whisperer who they used?

Gintara · « 2018-Aug-25, 02:24 PM **Reply #44** »

Quote from: specialweek2 on 2018-Aug-25, 02:05 PM

Monty might be better THAN the rest so he should be called THEN. Annoys me the incorrect use of then and than almost as much as Most Australian sports commentary stacked with the use of "ON THAT OCCASION".

and your thoughts on the grey flash SW?

nemisis · « 2018-Aug-25, 02:34 PM **Reply #45** »

Quote from: wily ole dog on 2018-Aug-25, 02:22 PM

Who was the supposed horse whisperer who they used?

They were only going to be named if Chautauqua trialed successfully.

PoisonPen7 · « 2018-Aug-25, 02:38 PM **Reply #46** »

Quote from: wily ole dog on 2018-Aug-25, 02:22 PM

Who was the supposed horse whisperer who they used?

I didn't read any article that mentioned him (or her).

Was referred to as an "Animal Behavioral Specialist".

Doen't really seem like you'd need a formal qualification to be known as this.

I might start calling myself an animal behavioral specialist.

It makes me laugh when you watch some story on A Current Affair or such shows when someone starts talking and the graphic says that they are a "sex specialist"

specialweek2 · « 2018-Aug-25, 05:18 PM **Reply #47** »

Quote from: Gintara on 2018-Aug-25, 02:24 PM

and your thoughts on the grey flash SW?

Wonderful horse with issues.

Arsenal · « 2018-Aug-25, 05:40 PM **Reply #48** »

Refused to jump gave the field 8 or so lengths flashed home not pressured either but that has to be it for Aus racing....shame but no excuses should have used Monty .

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-25/chautauqua-fails-to-jump-in-trial-indecisive/10164642

Giddy Up

D-G · « 2018-Aug-25, 06:48 PM **Reply #49** »

Quote from: specialweek2 on 2018-Aug-25, 02:05 PM

Annoys me the incorrect use of then and than

I wish you all the luck in working on your issues