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Online westie

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O.P. « 2009-Feb-21, 10:38 PM »
Cheap Horses that move to the next level

Im sure there are plenty of them, Takeover Target and Gunsynd come to mind as does today's Oakleigh Plate winner Swiss Ace from Caloundra on the Sunshine Coast.  Swiss Ace cost owner Darryl Rogers $6,000 and he has now won 10 of his 15 starts and more than $650,000.

Can you name others adding the purchase price and total prize money if known.

If I get time will add as they come in.

 1. Old Larsy: Super Impose was knocked down for around 5k
 2. Westie: Takeover Target cost $1250 won in excess of $5,500,000   emthup
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Offline OldLarsy

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« 2009-Feb-21, 10:41 PM Reply #1 »
Super Impose was knocked down for around 5k

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« 2009-Feb-21, 10:43 PM Reply #2 »
Swiss Ace has an incredibly good pedigree, he must have been a poor young horse to go so cheap.

Geoff will be ultra happy, he'll be able to watch his youngsters run around in about 5 years time.

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« 2009-Feb-21, 10:47 PM Reply #3 »
=cheap horses that don't do anything like the above / 1000 . Numerically speaking.

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« 2009-Feb-21, 10:51 PM Reply #4 »
MM
Am more intersted in the horses than won at group level. 

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« 2009-Feb-21, 11:03 PM Reply #5 »
I guess the real cost of a horse is what it costs in total to get it to whatever prizemoney level is  achieved. Ongoing expenses are not vastly different for cheap or expensive buys. There have been studies done on the subject, I recall a figure of 30 %  return of total costs by way of prizemoney. And I doubt if punting owners would narrow that gap !

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« 2009-Feb-21, 11:18 PM Reply #6 »
Swiss Ace is a great result for Pam O'Niell and the good folk at Brisbane Bloodstock.

Takeover Target is a truly Cinderella story. Bloody Amazing.

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« 2009-Feb-21, 11:21 PM Reply #7 »
Most amazing is how long TT has competed successfully at the top level. I'd doubt that he'd have lasted half that time in a big name stable.

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« 2009-Feb-21, 11:45 PM Reply #8 »
Yes Joe has done a top job paid $1250 in July 2003 (think it was a Waterhouse cast off) and has earned in excess of $5,500,000 in prize money.  Jay Ford has done OK to as a one horse / jockey combo.

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« 2009-Feb-21, 11:50 PM Reply #9 »
John Morish

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« 2009-Feb-22, 05:47 AM Reply #10 »
Yea the late John Morish trained Takeover and apparently he told Joe the horse had shown  ability but needed time because of an injury.
Not sure if the owners didnt want to wait or the trainer suggested to sell. :what:

John didnt get to see the horse go on as he was killed in a shooting accident in the NT. emthdown

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« 2009-Feb-22, 09:39 AM Reply #11 »
Yes Joe has done a top job paid $1250 in July 2003 (think it was a Waterhouse cast off) and has earned in excess of $5,500,000 in prize money.  Jay Ford has done OK to as a one horse / jockey combo.
pretty good imo

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« 2009-Feb-22, 09:49 AM Reply #12 »
Yea the late John Morish trained Takeover and apparently he told Joe the horse had shown  ability but needed time because of an injury.
Not sure if the owners didnt want to wait or the trainer suggested to sell. :what:

John didnt get to see the horse go on as he was killed in a shooting accident in the NT. emthdown


he did see his 1st  6 runs

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« 2009-Feb-22, 10:09 AM Reply #13 »
Not sure if Takeover Target can be classed as a cheap horse, I don't think he was a cheap yearling purchase was he  :what:

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« 2009-Feb-22, 10:14 AM Reply #14 »
Cheap for the current owner.

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« 2009-Feb-22, 10:35 AM Reply #15 »
I believe that the bloke that bred him Tony Hartnell? was the original owner and paid up for him in a racing stable for 18 months, unlucky bugger.

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« 2009-Feb-22, 10:45 AM Reply #16 »
Yes, he was unlucky enough this week, making the news in court last week challenging the Tax office disallowal of his claim for $475,000 being write-down of his breeding mares.

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« 2009-Feb-22, 09:32 PM Reply #17 »
Super 5K? Not sure that's entirely correct. Can we confirm that?

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« 2009-Feb-22, 09:41 PM Reply #18 »
No, according to CLASS RACEHORSES OF 1989-1990 the essay on Super Impose says he was sold at the  Trentham yearling sale of 1986 for $40,000.

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« 2009-Feb-22, 09:57 PM Reply #19 »
Thanks Matt. I had it in my mind that he was at least 30K. As for the 5K it would have cost that much to land him at the stables in Oz in transport alone.

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« 2009-Feb-22, 10:02 PM Reply #20 »
Undue

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« 2009-Feb-22, 10:03 PM Reply #21 »
No, according to CLASS RACEHORSES OF 1989-1990 the essay on Super Impose says he was sold at the  Trentham yearling sale of 1986 for $40,000.

8 shares @ 5k per share then   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

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« 2009-Feb-22, 10:05 PM Reply #22 »
Undue charging into uncharted territory
By Pat Bartley
February 18, 2006


SHANE Clarke's world changed dramatically just on 18 months ago. The Darwin trainer expects to be a major player in today's group 1 Australia Stakes at Moonee Valley with a sprinter named Undue.

This is no ordinary galloper. This gelding is a discard from the mighty powerful Woodlands Stud operation, Bob Ingham's multimillion-dollar breeding and racing empire, which is umatched in these parts.

No long ago a group of Clarke's clients approached him to take on the lightly raced Undue, which they had bought from Woodlands' Crown Lodge stable in Melbourne for an undisclosed amount, although believed to be less than $20,000.

"I took him on, but he wasn't the easiest horse in the world," Clarke said this week.

"When I put him in his box, he kept looking to the very end of the stable block at one gelding. Then one day, he managed to get out of his stable and race down to this horse and in trying to climb into the horse's box, he knocked his cannon bone."

After infection set in, Clarke was had to spell the horse. On his return, Undue was being prepared for a career in Darwin but one track gallop changed the trainer's mind.

"I sent him out to gallop and I looked down at my stopwatch," Clarke recalled. "I couldn't believe a bush horse could run this time. I nudged the bloke next to me in disbelief and asked him if what I'd seen actually happened.

"On the strength of that, I told the owners we would head to Adelaide for one run and then come home. Don't forget, taking a horse from Darwin to Adelaide is a big jump in class, so the decision is never an easy one."

Undue had already made a name for himself in Darwin, having won four races from six starts. But despite this, his trainer was still wary about taking the next step.

Horses from the Woodlands Stud empire such as Undue are often sent to the Northern Territory and north Queensland. In fact, Woodlands Stud horses once prepared by John Hawkes largely underpin the racehorse population in those areas, with up to 20 per cent of them being discards from the Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane stables.

"Don't get me wrong, they are always healthy, well and sound when they come up our way," Clarke said. "And their appearance in the Territory has given many, many owners a lot of pleasure."

When recalling Undue, Hawkes said: "He had ability and he's obviously improved a little more to be racing at that level. And good luck to the people.

"We decided to sell him and we did. We sell 150 horses every year. We have to because another crop is coming behind and they must be given a chance. Tough decisions have to be made."

Undue didn't let Clarke down on his arrival in Adelaide, winning first-up at Cheltenham and prompting Clarke to "stay for one more", which ended up resulting in the four-year-old putting together three consecutive wins in South Australia.

"Then I said to the owners, 'Let's give him a try at Flemington - I've never been there, so it'll be an experience for us all'," Clarke said.

"I clearly remember walking in to the betting ring and backing the horse, with the bookie leaning down to me telling me, 'He's got no hope from barrier one'. And 40 minutes later, I've trained my first winner at Flemington from just my first starter and I'm filling out a late-entry form for the Newmarket."

Two weeks later, Undue won the Sale Quality, with Clarke saying: "He just keeps getting better, so I thought, 'Well, he could run at Mornington next week or jump in at the deep end at Moonee Valley'. And my gut feeling was, let's jump in at the deep end."


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« 2009-Feb-22, 11:52 PM Reply #23 »
undue changed hands for 10k

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« 2009-Feb-23, 08:45 AM Reply #24 »
I could be wrong but what about Better Loosen Up and Vo Rogue? 


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