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Offline monologue

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O.P. « 2009-Feb-23, 10:08 AM »
Courtesy of Racing and Sports

Chipping Norton switch outrages trainers
Sunday, 22 February 2009:

Outraged Warwick Farm trainers say the decision to switch the Chipping Norton Stakes meeting to Randwick is an insult to the local community and sounds the death knell for racing at the track.

The Australian Jockey Club (AJC) announced the transfer on Thursday of what is traditionally the premier race day at the course citing concerns the track would not be up to standard.

Apart from the enormous Darley operation and the burgeoning Patinack Farm empire, more than 30 other trainers are based at Warwick Farm in the south western Sydney suburb of Chipping Norton.

Marc Conners, a third generation Warwick Farm trainer, says this year's move to Randwick is a slap in the face for all concerned.

"It's an absolute f***ing disgrace," Conners said.

"My father-in-law is the deputy mayor of Liverpool and the Liverpool City Council wanted to pull their sponsorship when they heard but it's too late.

"They have sponsored the Liverpool City Cup for 30 years but will not do it again if the meeting is not held at Warwick Farm.

"If the AJC had wanted to preserve the track they should have transferred Wednesday's meeting to the Kensington track at Randwick and saved Warwick Farm."

Guy Walter has made a major investment in his complex at Warwick Farm, made possible in no small part by the deeds of grand galloper Tie The Knot who won a record four Chipping Norton Stakes.

"It is a shocking decision," he said.

"The Chipping Norton Stakes belongs at Warwick Farm.

"It's the flagship race and it's like not having the Cox Plate at Moonee Valley.

"And the track is not that bad that it can't be used for the meeting.

"It's Warwick Farm's race and it sounds the death knell for racing there."

Gary Portelli believes the AJC underestimates the potential of the area.

"I'm disappointed with the AJC, they have made Warwick Farm the poor cousins again," Portelli said.

"They don't understand there is a wealthy market in the area."

The area holds so much, Joe Pride and his wife Kylie decided to remain there with their young family after being relocated from Randwick to accommodate World Youth Day last year.

Pride has a boutique stable of around 30 horses and has a strike rate second to none including a double at Rosehill on Saturday.

"It is a kick in the teeth for the people in the area," Pride said.

"It seems that the AJC has just given up on it."


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« 2009-Feb-23, 10:17 AM Reply #1 »
its primarily the tabs decision,a randwick meeting generates more turnover than does one at warwick farm,and the poor tabs turnovers are eroding more and more,i feel sorry for them,maybe they should hold a benefit night for the  :censored: ,a telethon or something like that,to get them back on their feet

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« 2009-Feb-23, 10:23 AM Reply #2 »
I take it from your response Judge..That you wouldn't be donating.

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« 2009-Feb-23, 10:32 AM Reply #3 »
i do unintentionally mono,whenever i back a loser with them   :biggrin:

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« 2009-Feb-23, 11:33 AM Reply #4 »
What a crap decision

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« 2009-Feb-23, 11:48 AM Reply #5 »
I have been to Warwick Farm a few times and yes some of it's facilities are less than Randwick or Rosehill. But that is racing, it is still a friendly track and a whole lot more interesting in regards to space etc.

The Sunday Tele quoted in an article how much less debt the AJC now has under the new CEO than the previous CEO. But as KC from the daily tele pointed out, it is easy to reduce debt when the AJC is selling the assets. Now another problem the AJC has is that the grandstands have concrete cancer so where does it get's it money from to rebuild. Merge with STC and sell Canterbury of course. Without WYD last year, Warwick Farm would have been crumbling away to nothing by now. The gov't threw in so much money at the AJC, it was not funny. The local trainers at the Farm are unhappy with the AJC as the word is the AJC have retrenched staff in certain areas including maintenance. Now they have switched the meeting to Randwick on what was their only Sat meeting of the year. Yet Hakesbury gets one metro Saturday. The Liverpool Council used to promote the meeting along with local business etc and now it is a slap in the face for them.

The Chipping  Norton at the farm used to have so many good winners including Tie The Knot, Octagonal, Starcraft etc. I was there the day when Occy beat Juggler through a super Dye ride while a year earlier it was Nothin Leica Dane beating Occy in the Hobartville. Good memories.   

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« 2009-Feb-23, 12:11 PM Reply #6 »
In recent years Warwick Farm has gone from 3 saturday meetings to none.
The Warwick stakes in the spring was taken off them as well as Apollo/Hobartville stakes day in the autumn.Now the Chipping Norton,Warwick farm's only Group 1 is gone.

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« 2009-Feb-24, 05:21 AM Reply #7 »
Other than a superior track it seems to be mainly about money. A study a couple of years ago showed that if they had exact fields Warwick Farm and Randwick the turnover was much greater for Randwick. Punters deciding with their pockets.

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« 2009-Feb-24, 07:18 AM Reply #8 »
Other than a superior track it seems to be mainly about money. A study a couple of years ago showed that if they had exact fields Warwick Farm and Randwick the turnover was much greater for Randwick. Punters deciding with their pockets.

It could be about the money this time but it will also help matters with the current board by racing at Randwick. It seems a coup is being planned in the next few weeks. If the media reports are right, the incumbent execs will be trying to shore up support for the current board. The Farm is good for the mid weekers according to the AJC but not the top class or saturday horses.  I rather bet on Rosehill or Randwick than the Farm or Canterbury but if we use that angle why don't we have 10 race meetings on Saturdays by transferring a couple of mid week races. Punters bet more on saturdays than any other day except for the cup. I wonder if the AJC would refund the sponsorship paid out by the local sponsors. Also is'nt the same mob who do the Randwick track do the Farm too?

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« 2009-Feb-24, 07:47 AM Reply #9 »
A study a couple of years ago showed that if they had exact fields Warwick Farm and Randwick the turnover was much greater for Randwick. Punters deciding with their pockets.


I recall that as well but I can't see the logic in it

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« 2009-Feb-24, 10:49 AM Reply #10 »
How could they conduct such a study And come up with an accurate scenario ?


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« 2009-Feb-24, 11:17 PM Reply #11 »
We get to judge Warwick Farm today and get an idea if the dicision was wise or not.

If Zanabaa does not bolt in than we know the track is in poor condition.

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« 2009-Feb-25, 05:59 AM Reply #12 »
warwick imo is very poor track

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« 2009-Feb-25, 07:29 AM Reply #13 »
Why?

It's better than the Valley, Gosford, hawkesbury, or Ipswich and quite a few more

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« 2009-Feb-25, 07:56 AM Reply #14 »
lol at Matt .....I'll have to have something on that.

Nothing wrong with the Farm imo. That 1400m chute makes sprint racing the fairest around the country if you take out the straight races at Flemington. They should run the Slipper there!!!

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« 2009-Feb-25, 08:30 AM Reply #15 »
lol at Matt .....I'll have to have something on that.

Nothing wrong with the Farm imo. That 1400m chute makes sprint racing the fairest around the country if you take out the straight races at Flemington. They should run the Slipper there!!!

How can you say straight track racing is the fairest PP? I'll conceed if they all come down one side but with big fields that spilt to either side, if your unlucky enough to be drawn on the wrong side for the day you may as well stayed at home in your box.

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« 2009-Feb-25, 09:13 AM Reply #16 »
mathematically fair gin.....agree you can get bias, esp. at Flemington. In fact I rarely bet on those straight races for precisely that reason. But at least you don't have to worry about your horse getting stuck 3 or 4 deep going around several turns.

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« 2009-Feb-25, 03:50 PM Reply #17 »
lol at Matt .....I'll have to have something on that.

Nothing wrong with the Farm imo. That 1400m chute makes sprint racing the fairest around the country if you take out the straight races at Flemington. They should run the Slipper there!!!

What a  :censored: ing way to do ya  :censored: ing dosh. Close the  :censored: ing joint down.   :thumbsd:

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« 2009-Feb-26, 07:38 AM Reply #18 »
Suprising that the track was not bad yesterday at all. Horses seemed to be making ground from all parts and by all reports some of the trainers were quite happy. Below is the tele article quoting Richie Freedman. The conspiracy theorys will come into vogue.


Outrage as Chipping Norton Stakes moved from Warwick FarmArticle from: Font size: Decrease Increase Email article: Email Print article: Print Submit comment: Submit comment By Brent Zerafa

February 26, 2009 12:00am

THE Australian Jockey Club may agree all animals are equal but it seems that's not so at the Farm.

How else would you explain its decision to holding a race meeting at Warwick Farm yesterday for restricted class gallopers, yet declaring the course unfit for the equine elite to contest next week's bumper Chipping Norton Stakes?

George Orwell's famous book about class warfare has been brought to life with the double standards being applied here by the AJC.

Peter Snowden, trainer of the powerful Darley Stud team based at Warwick Farm, said the idea to move the March 7 meet to Randwick was a terrible over-reaction.

"There is more to it than the track," Snowden said after training the first winner of the day, Mortal. "The track is fine, it is not the issue."

Guy Walter, who trained Rich Endowment to victory - another horse who rallied on the inside of the track - also said the decision was extremely disappointing.

"It is a bad decision," Walter said. "The track has played very fair today with horses winning along the fence and others finishing strong out wide. It is disappointing that our only big meeting is now lost to Randwick."

Veteran Warwick Farm-based trained Clarry Conners just shook his head and said "disappointing" when asked to comment on the meeting transfer.

Randwick trainer Patrick Webster also slammed the decision, despite the fact the meeting would be on his home track.

"They obviously hold no respect for tradition," Webster said.

"The Chipping Norton is Warwick Farm - it is sad to see it run at Randwick."

AJC racing operations manager Richard Freedman said the decision to transfer the meeting was not entirely linked to the performance of the Warwick Farm surface, but to a host of issues.

"Holding the meeting at Randwick is better in terms of wagering, participation and attendance," Freedman said.

"The wagering outcomes include better turnover. More participation is in terms of bigger field sizes, which again helps turnover.

"And also Randwick attracts better attendance, and it is not that we don't promote Warwick Farm or put enough into marketing out there - people just don't seem to go to the races there."

Freedman said the Warwick Farm track is not as robust as Randwick nor as able to stand up to extreme weather.

"Warwick Farm is now one of the biggest training centres in the country and we have a host of trainers using the course proper to prepare their carnival horses every morning," he said.

"Being a Group One meeting, we did not want to race on a sub-standard surface.

"The track was a victim of extreme weather a couple of weeks ago and we did not want to risk that happening again because it takes too long for the tracks to come back if they are damaged."

Asked why yesterday's meeting wasn't transferred away from Warwick Farm, Freedman replied: "This meeting was originally programmed for the Kensington track but we had to move it because of the Future Music Festival."


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« 2009-Feb-26, 08:43 AM Reply #19 »

"Warwick Farm is now one of the biggest training centres in the country and we have a host of trainers using the course proper to prepare their carnival horses every morning," he said.

"Being a Group One meeting, we did not want to race on a sub-standard surface.


The AJC obviously don't give a stuff about their own Warwick Farm and their big Saturday meeting for the year.
All year to prepare the place, and they blame the trainers using the course proper.
Brilliant preparation indeed.
It's akin to hackers playing Augusta up until 2 weeks before the Masters then transferring it because it's not in great nick.

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« 2009-Feb-26, 09:10 AM Reply #20 »
now one begins to understand the challenge to the ajc board,they talk about a sub standard racing surface,how many big meets at randwick have had a track bias,what do they say about that?

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« 2009-Feb-26, 09:27 AM Reply #21 »
The racing clubs should be about racing  but most people who run racing clubs have vested interests. The current CEO and his 2 execs if Ken C is right, earn around $1.5m per year in total with bonuses. Richie was getting around $400k. Now for me that is obscene for people who on average have one race meet per week.

Not getting into the tricky side of politics with the AJC, they sold some of their assets and claimed they have no debt because of good fiscal management. if you can't even maintain your racing surface, what is the point of having meeting. Both their tracks show bias when it rains and so does Rosehill. So the argument regarding the Farm being a sub standard surface is just hogwash when there was no bias.

Most punters (I could be wrong) would be happy to bet on a surface which is shows no bias rather than one that does after a few races especially with quaddie and big 6 bets.

I think this move to randwick is more up shoring the member's support for the jobs of the execs and CEO than anything else. The facilities at the Farm for members are nowhere as good as Randwick but the Farm is still a nice track.

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« 2009-Feb-26, 09:41 AM Reply #22 »
the main reason is the tab,they dictate the race clubs,if the ajc were to transfer a randwick meeting to WF for any reason,and turnover dropped,the ajc would have to compensate the tab for a drop in turnover,wonder which geniuses from the ajc signed a contract like that,its their product but the tabs dictate,great isn't it?

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« 2009-Feb-26, 10:37 AM Reply #23 »
And the funny thing is, if the TAB's didn't put their product in pubs and clubs, more people would go to the track   :lol:   :lol:

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« 2009-Mar-08, 10:15 PM Reply #24 »
Any one know the attendance.Seemed pretty empty to me.
Maybe Warwick farm would have attracted more people, couldn't have had any less.


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