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Snowbunny

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O.P. « 2007-Aug-24, 10:45 PM »
More than likely you have all visited this guy's website, whether you like him or hate him.
Phil Purser justracing.com.au

My Question is this, what is this guys qualifications ?

Is he a registered horse trainer, or has he ever been ?

Is he a Master Farrier ?

Is he a qualified Veterinarian ?

Is he a Jockey or has he ever even ridden a horse ?

Is he even a proper journalist ?

He has a lot of opinions , just wondering if he is qualified or even experienced in any of the above :/

Opinions are like  :censored: s ..........  everybody has one :p


My main reason for asking is this little snippet off his site that gets me a little worked up.

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website clients cumulatively only had two bets last Saturday for two winners.

The “Twenty Club” are a strictly limited group of 20 punters, mainly big punters, who get only a limited number of horses given to them each year that are “racing certainties”. It would be anticipated that about eight bets per year would be recommended to members of this exclusive club. I personally phone each client myself with the information as to the name of the horse to back - and the recommended betting strategy. A couple of overseas clients are emailed. For last Saturday’s meeting, as soon as we knew the weather details, those clients were all given Apache Cat as a bet and were advised to “take the $2.20, as he’ll run even money.

How can somebody pass this drivel off as journalism, wow he tipped Apache Cat at $2.20 (who didn't tip Apache Cat, and i even got $2.20 about him on course, got a much better price the start before though) , and he only tips his 20 club punter's 8 horse's a year ..... seriously Phil , i could tip 8 in one year.

Phil if you are trying to blow your own trumpet, you only come across a blowing yourself.

I guess his 20club punters are lucky

as the same article says

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Horsewinners clients have been having a lean trot
and he is getting paid for these  :o
« Last Edit: 2007-Aug-25, 01:15 PM by MagiC~* »

Offline HorseWithNoName

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« 2007-Sep-03, 12:53 PM Reply #1 »
OK, Snowbunny, I'll enter the debate.  :)

Let's deal with the qualifications questions first.

No, he is not a registered horse trainer and hasn't been.
No, he's not a master farrier.
No, he's not a qualified vet.
No, he's not a jockey, but I don't know if he's ever ridden a horse.
No, he's not a proper journalist.
So, no, he's not qualified or experienced in any of the above.

He has been an owner of greyhounds, trotters and gallopers in the past and still has gallopers.

However, he is very passionate about all forms of racing and does not stop until he gets his answers.  He has asked some very curly questions over the years and, in my opinion, there's a lot of very good information on his site. He has many friends in the industry and he has learned heaps from them about lots of different aspects of the game.

Let's now get on to his tipping.  Phil puts an enormous amount of work into his analyses by watching videos and clocking sectional times.  He has tipped many a long shot to those who are members, but he is also big enough to admit when he has missed out.  He analysed a race a few weeks ago and told me that there were only 2 horses with a chance.  They ran the quinella, but the problem is he went for the wrong horse.  And he sure as hell felt for his clients when the race was run.

He's not the only one who sells his tips, but his fees are a lot less than some of the better-known ravers. He also gives, free, a tip in his Friday guide and they have been very successful over a period of time.

The point to remember is:  he set up a racing website very early in the internet game, possibly the first of all. Access to his site is FREE and you also don't have to become a member to read it.  He is very passionate about the industry and doesn't like coverups of any kind. He accepts fair criticism but doesn't see the need for nastiness from those who know nothing about him.

Phil is a very honest and generous individual and I'm proud to number him among my friends. In fact, I would do whatever I could for him, whenever I could. I do know that he would not do you a bad turn, rather a good one if he could.

If you don't like his site, you don't have to read it; or do you do it just so that you can rubbish it?  Whatever, it's your choice to either enjoy or ignore.

This is not meant to be critical of you, Snowbunny, but I just wanted to tell it as I see it and know it.  :kiss:

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« 2007-Sep-03, 06:46 PM Reply #2 »
Yes, most salesmen are nice guys. How does that qualify him to make finite comments about the soundness of particular animals? He does this often. Passionate punters can be seen in every TAB on a daily basis. Their comments are not neccessarily educated, informative or wise. I've talked to hundreds of owners over the years. Collectively they are not the most sagacious bunch around. Many are gamblers by nature and overly emotional throughout the experience. 

Eight certainties a year for International big betting clients. That's an interesting claim. Where do these folks get on? They wouldn't be betting peanuts. Big punters aren't known for holding back when they have a goose laying golden eggs. Twenty times $10,000 is a proper bet and not too many will set you for long in Australia if you only back winners. Betfair can't handle serious volumes in Oz either. Are these serious punters cutting each others throats ( and profitability ) at the TAB's?

Those semantics aside if you have eight certainties a year your credibility comes down to the old train of thought - you sure don't need to be selling them. I have provided a lot more than that every year for some time now and have never sold a tip. Perhaps I should be juicing some lemons as well?

 

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« 2007-Sep-04, 04:55 PM Reply #3 »
Nice way of putting it HB ;)

Look i don't think anyone has any issues with people having an opinion or even pretending to know a little bit of something about anything.

I think where the Just Racing author tends to get people riled up is the holier then now attitude, where he believes he is 100% correct and everybody else hasn't got a clue.

So with an attitude like that i don't think Snowbunny is over the top in wanting to know what Mr Phil Pursers experience is in the industry, and i don't think being an owner over 3 codes is any Qualification's :huh:

I find his site an interesting read and do visit it from time to time, but i also slow down at car crashes ... it's human nature ;)
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« 2007-Sep-06, 12:03 PM Reply #4 »
Good on Phil for having a opinion and putting it out for the world to see.

In saying that he does come accross as a goose sometimes, but I've been told by friends that he is really a OK type of bloke.

I for one only read his site when someone points it out to me.

BTW does anyone pay for tips and if so why?

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« 2007-Sep-06, 03:28 PM Reply #5 »
BTW does anyone pay for tips and if so why

I don't think they are actually tips Grats ... i thought they where just last 600m sectionals of horses with commments.

Correct me if i am wrong ... but you still have to pay

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« 2007-Sep-08, 09:10 AM Reply #6 »
You are right Magic.  I was mainly talking about tips from anywhere. 

Just wondering if anyone buys those that you see advertised.

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« 2007-Sep-17, 10:11 AM Reply #7 »
I had a day at the races a while back with Horse with no Name and Phil joined us,I found him a nice guy and he seemed to be a hard worker looking for a story re racing for his site,I rarely go into his site as I'm too lazy to spend time going into all racing sites but when I do I enjoy what he writes about.

Gratlog...I was married to an idiot that used to pay for tips and very very rarely got a winner if he got one it was odds on. :cowboy:

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« 2007-Oct-16, 08:38 AM Reply #8 »
I went into Phils Just Racing site yesterday and noted he was promoting a few Saturdays at Rocklea trot grounds,free books,meals and betting vouchers,I say good onya Phil I hope it is very successful for you and the Rocklea commitee,I used to go to Rocklea regularly years ago and always found it a blast,I tried my luck here. lol

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« 2007-Oct-19, 11:02 AM Reply #9 »
Any body who would like a free meal,book and betting ticket go to justracing site and contact Phil I hear there is still some unclaimed places,but only apply if you can go tomorrow at Rocklea Trots,a cheap date if you have one...lol :love:

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« 2007-Oct-19, 06:41 PM Reply #10 »
Looks like a good promo at Rocklea but I cannot make it unfortunately

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« 2007-Oct-19, 07:10 PM Reply #11 »
Thats a shame Gratlog...I was lucky and got a place and am looking forward to a day out at Rocklea instead of sitting at home. :cheesy:

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« 2007-Oct-21, 01:30 PM Reply #12 »
A great day out at Rocklea yesterday,many thanks to Phil Purser,a good crowd and I couldn't get over the way the venue has been upgraded.
I believe last week the takings at Rocklea killed what was taken at EF,be interesting to hear about yesterdays.

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« 2007-Oct-21, 07:49 PM Reply #13 »
Kool got any photos from Rocklea.

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« 2007-Oct-22, 06:36 AM Reply #14 »
Sorry Westie I didn't take the camera out of it's pocket,too busy talking to people I hadn't seen for a while. :embarrassed:


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