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O.P. « 2008-Nov-17, 09:10 AM »
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I noticed you have been posting the tips of Deane Lester lately so though I would post an interview by Ken Blake.  




Deane Lester started his media career in 1989 with the Sporting Globe and Truth as a trackman. He's also reported on time trials and compiled form comments for the Winning Post and currently files reports for the Sportsman.  In radio, "Deano" has worked as a trackman, form analyst, interviewer, host and co-host on high profile Radio Sport 927 programs including Racing Extra, Correct Weight and Turf Talk.  He's been an active racehorse owner since 1987 having being involved with over 60 winners and has held a trainers licence.



Deane Lester Interview Ė Ken Blake
 

 
When Deane Lester talks racing, people listen. Deaneís rapid rise to the top of his profession has undisputedly earned him the title of the nations most respected and best media form analyst. For anyone who wishes takes issue with this, then they need to liaise with Deaneís vast army of followers. To the average person who regularly punts on Victorian races, Deane is king. His decisive and accurate race analysis puts a little in the pockets of these people more often than not. When superlatives like genius are bandied around, not from his supporters, but from his peers, you just got to think that this guys got something. In many cases his predictive racing skills can influence race markets to the point where a runner can shorten up two points or more for no other reason than it was selected by Deane Lester.

Growing up on stud farms with a mother who holds a trainers license, it would appear that Deaneís career path was mapped out at a very early age. Deane first entered the media in 1989 when he initially worked for the Sporting Globe as the trackman at Cranbourne. In 1990 he commenced doing form comments for Winning Post and in 1998 worked the program racing extra which is now known as Prime Time Racing for Sport 927.

In a game that boasts a high mortality rate, at times, Deane seems almost bullet proof no more than when he recently achieved every tipsters dream and selected every winner on a 7 race card at Werribee on December 20th 2006.  I posed a number of questions for Deane on punting and racing.

Punters are confronted with a multitude of variables for form consideration. How should form students coordinate these factors, and what do you consider are the factors of major importance?

D.L.   I feel that barrier draws, race tempo, rider changes, class factors and track conditions are the integral factors to assess in every race. Barrier draws and race tempo are often reliant on each other and the way a race sets up is determined by barrier draws. I look for significant riding changes, ie apprentice to senior riders, out of form riders to in-form riders or significantly more aggressive riders taking the reins. Also, look for horses that are shifting sharply in class, either up or down. Finally, all these variables will be useless if there is a significant bias on a track or your selection is not proven in certain conditions. It is essential to make sure that you know what condition the track is in that you are planning to bet on.

One aspect of racing that causes punters a great deal of angst is the issue of track bias. Some analysts state it is best to concentrate only on later races on a card to see how the track is going to play. What are your thoughts on track bias, and how should the punter manage this concern?

 
D.L. Track bias is a definite issue and has been enhanced by artificial watering of tracks during the current drought. I am wary to bet on early races, they are often the lower class horses anyway and I like to determine how the track is playing. In assessing a track, look for consistent trends of how well credentialed horses are beaten. They canít all be just having an off day and it may be that they are racing in the worst part of the ground. Be careful and conservative when assessing a track, try and use relatively reliable horses in their right class that donít appear to have any other excuses on the day.

Race sectionals are feely available, but many punters are at a loss on how to use them as an analytical tool. What value do you assign to sectionals and how should punters use them?

D.L.  Sectional times are a tricky tool to use as a definitive guide. I use them regularly; often to see how hard a tear away leader actually went in a race, or how strongly a run on horse went to the line. I think they are a useful tool, but they are not the be-all and end-all of punting tools.

Many serious punters are loath to wager on wet tracks. Is it harder for horses to hold form on affected going? Should the average punter put the cue back in the rack on wet days?

D.L. I donít mind betting on wet tracks, when itís their season. If you are faced with a wet track in summer, the track may have a firm base and not give the feel of a genuine wet track. The horses racing in summer are in work because they probably prefer dry tracks so they are out of season. I am happy to bet in winter on wet tracks, but very rarely back a first up horse on a wet track, I like them to have fitness on their side. Finally, I never bet on tracks that are deteriorating. When it rains during a meeting , I put the cue in the rack, you donít have time to reassess races accurately and the track often hovers between ratings.

In a recent interview with PPM, bookmaker Graeme Sampieri stated punters should only wager on either good or heavy tracks, as anything in between can be a nightmare. Is the recently revamped track rating system accurate in terms of correct assessment for these Ďin betweení ratings?

D.L.  I tend to agree with Graemeís line of thinking, a definite rating is preferred is a preferred track condition to bet on. The in-between ratings and the numerical system are a good idea if they are rated accurately. I struggle with the racing clubs and the way they rate their tracks. A more professional approach by officials needs to be employed to ensure that the variations in certain tracks are accurately reflected by the new rating system.

The wealth of information and tools at the modern punters disposal ensures winners come more frequently to the smart operator, than their counterparts from decades ago. In terms of acquiring value however, is the modern punter a victim of his own success? Is value harder to find today as opposed to yesteryear?

D.L.  Value is very hard to find in modern racing. I have been punting for over 20 years and, in the past 5 years most good judges land on the same horse in a race, thus removing the value. I have also noticed that the first favorite on a Saturday city meeting starts way under the odds. It seems as though the rank ands file punters launch into the first favorite to kick start their day. Not many horses have the formcard deserving odds-on status in a race, yet someone is backing them to make them odds-on on the totes.

One of the most contentious issues in racing in recent years is the advent of betting exchanges. Many punters are gravitating to these exchanges because of minimal percentage take as opposed to the mainstream TABís  What is your slant on the issue of exchanges and their impact on the racing industry?   

D.L.  I think that exchanges have created competition, which is good in any industry. TABís have reacted by having Ďpower Ėpaysí meetings and now Ďfat quaddiesí, so that is stimulating interest and turnover. As long as exchanges contribute to the industry and donít just bleed the punters ( even with a reduced take-out ) , I think they add something to modern  punting.

Many punters will not place bets until visual examination of their selection in the pre-race mounting parade. Are you an adherent of this practice? How important is it for the punter to try to access a horseís pre-race looks and demeanor?

D.L.  If you are on-course it is a must. I am reluctant to back a horse first up from a spell unless I have seen it, which includes assessing itís fitness off vision from TVN or Sky Channel. I think it is important to take notice of horses that often behave badly pre-race yet perform well. Horses are individuals and you need to keep some record of their idiosyncrasies.

From a pure mathematical perspective, it is said you should never back each way as it diminishes the value of your selection. Alternatively you Ďsaveí on the assessed dangers by Dutch or multi win betting several runners. What are your thoughts on this point?

 
D.L.  I tend to back multiple runners in a race for the win, but it is really a personal preference. I know of many successful punters that bet each way, or back horses at good odds to win and just break square if that horse places. I believe that staking your betting is the most important thing and always give yourself a chance of winning by betting for value, never settle for under the odds that you consider a horse should be.

Many believe some races are won or lost at the barrier draw. How much emphasis do you place on barriers when doing form?

D.L. I place a large emphasis on barrier draws. I am a great believer in doing speed maps, which then  helps you assess where the pressure is going to be applied from in  a race. Barrier one is not always the best gate in a race and conversely barrier 16 isnít a curse to certain horses if the race pace suits them.

I have noted a developing trend in recent years, where many form analysts, particularly in racing abroad, are questioning the merit of weights as a genuine form tool. The consensus seems to be that  the issue of weights is racingís most overrated commodity. The point being, which his backed by strong statistical evidence, that weight does not stop good horses winning. Also frugal weight shifts, where horses have a 1 or 2 kilo turnaround on rivals, will in most cases not constitute a reversal of placings. Where does weight handicapping sit on your pecking order or form factors? 

D.L. I am not as big an advocate of studying weights as I once would have been. I think that, with the compression of weight scales, movements in weights are not significant enough to stop an in-form horse, also the removal of 1-1.5 kg is not enough to turn a horses form around. The grades, in general, are so even that you only see a 4-5 kg spread from top to bottom, and that includes allowances for gender and age. When I first started doing the form, the minimums were often 49-50 kg and the top weights had 59-60 kg, thatís when it was significant. Also, with horses receiving a numerical rating for each performance from the handicapper, it is rare for a performance to sneak through the system and get under the guard of the handicapper. The class systems direct a horses a certain way and, if trainers choose to skip classes, their horse will receive less weight but they will be aware of the class rise their horse faces. It would have to be a significant weight reversal ie 3.5 kg + for a short margin before I would consider it an influencing factor.

From a punters perspective, what industry changes would you like to see over the coming years that would be beneficial to the average horse player?

D.L. I think the combining of pools is paramount for the future, betting into a larger pool just may create the value the regular horse player needs. I would like to see the occasional guaranteed pools for quaddies and first fours, I think that would generate their own revenue and prove a bonanza for punters and also the TABís.

Your selections carry enormous sums of money wagered on weekends from a vast national following, do you feel more pressure now to get it right than when you started in the media?

D.L.  Thereís no doubt about that, I am very aware of the following my selections have so I need to be well prepared for every race. My objective is to try and give the punters something that doesnít obviously appear in their form guide. Iím not trying to tell them what to back in a race; rather I prefer to think that I assist with rounding off their thoughts on a race. The modern day punters are well informed and, if I can give them that 1% of information that they didnít have, I think Iím doing my job. My research for a Saturday meeting starts when the weights are declared; I watch videos of all runners at a meeting and also do speed maps once acceptances are declared. Itís the same with my 1900 service Iím not trying to tell people what to back; Iím just sharing my thoughts on a race. I assume that my clients have a reasonable knowledge of racing; I just try and give them a little more knowledge. I am humbled by the following that my thoughts and selections have, but with that is a responsibility to keep producing accurate and well founded selections. It is an inexact science and Iím sure punters are aware of that, but I am confident enough in my preparation and understanding of horses that I can give them some useful information.

Deane Lester can be heard on a weekly basis on radio Sport 927, 2ky, radio Tab in Queensland, Racing Radio in W.A. and trackside radio in New Zealand. Deane also has a 1900 selection service at 1902 241 524.
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« 2008-Nov-17, 09:52 AM Reply #1 »
 8-)
Yesterday, one of his two bets was Validator , which paid $5.90 and $1.80
« Last Edit: 2008-Nov-17, 09:57 AM by gratlog »

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« 2008-Nov-18, 11:20 AM Reply #2 »
Deane Lester's tips for Moe, with Ray Huxley's assessed odds.
 
Race 1. 3 ( special ) $6.00
Race 2.11. $3.25
Race 3. 5. $7.00
Race 4.1. ( special) $2.90
Race 5. 1. $3.50
Race 6. 10. $4.50
Race 7. 5 .$ 8.00
Race 8. 2. No price given
« Last Edit: 2008-Nov-18, 05:03 PM by westie »

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« 2008-Nov-18, 05:02 PM Reply #3 »
Not a good day for Deano with two winners.

Race Status Results
VR 1  
5   WITH DANGER 18.30 2.90  
6   CRU 4.30  
7   SHERPA 1.30  
SCR 2 4 11 12
SHOWERY DEAD(4)
QN 5* 6 209.30  
EX 5* 6 309.80  
TF 5* 6* 7 842.50  
A2 5* 6 47.70  
5* 7 6.60  
6* 7 9.70  
VR 2  
4   JOY STREET 25.00 4.70  
6   MOUSAL 2.70  
3   I'M TAKEN 1.80  
SCR 7 8 9 14L 17
SHOWERY DEAD(4)
QN 4* 6 178.40  
EX 4* 6 282.10  
TF 4* 6* 3 1281.50  
A2 4* 6 24.30  
3* 4 7.00  
3* 6 6.40  
VR 3  
5   PERGOLA 5.10 2.00  
2   COURAGEOUS ZAC 2.40  
4   JEUNE HE IS 1.60  
SCR -
Sub Fav 6 SHOWERY DEAD(4)
QN 2* 5 13.90  
EX 5* 2 35.20  
TF 5* 2* 4 111.10  
A2 2* 5 7.40  
4* 5 2.30  
2* 4 5.20  
VR 4  
4   HIGH COSTALANA 3.20 1.30  
1   GOOD RED 1.80  
2   RED ALI NTD  
SCR -
Sub Fav 1 SHOWERY DEAD(4)
QN 1* 4 3.40  
EX 4* 1 6.90  
TF 4* 1* 2 35.40  
XD 5* 4 18.60  
VR 5  
1   HAPPY GLEN 2.70 1.60  
5   TETSU GAMA 1.80  
7   KELSTAR NTD  
SCR 4 8
Sub Fav 5 SHOWERY DEAD(4)
QN 1* 5 3.00  
EX 1* 5 4.70  
F4 1* 5* 7* 3 332.80  
Jackpot 68.94  
TF 1* 5* 7 53.70  
VR 6  
5   UPTOWN LASS 11.10 3.40  
7   ORMOND ROAD 6.50  
6   BOWLABOUNCER 2.60  
SCR 4L 11 15
Sub Fav 2 SHOWERY DEAD(4)
QN 5* 7 132.10  
EX 5* 7 238.30  
F4 (Jackpot) 5* 7* 6*14 616.80  
TF 5* 7* 6 1710.40  
A2 5* 7 36.10  
5* 6 23.30  
6* 7 38.00  
VR 7  
8   RAYS BOUNTY 7.40 2.30  
10   TRULY FANTASTIC 3.00  
1   DESTINATE 22.90  
SCR 3L 12
Sub Fav 7 SHOWERY DEAD(4)
QN 8*10 39.80  
EX 8*10 60.20  
F4 8*10* 1* 5 418.80  
Jackpot 453.97  
TF 8*10* 1 4043.30  
A2 8*10 17.60  
1* 8 125.80  
1*10 293.50  
VR 8  
9   GHOST QUEEN 6.50 2.40  
2   PURE DANCER 3.00  
4   MANNERHEIM 3.60  
SCR 5 6 8 11
Sub Fav 12 SHOWERY DEAD(4)
QN 2* 9 30.30  
EX 9* 2 49.60  
DD 8* 9 72.10  
TT 5* 8* 9 855.60  
QD 1* 5* 8* 9 1790.10  
F4 (Jackpot) 9* 2* 4* 3 658.99  
TF 9* 2* 4 508.40  
A2 2* 9 9.60  
4* 9 21.20  
2* 4 28.40  

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« 2008-Nov-19, 11:37 AM Reply #4 »
Deane Lester's Tips for Ballarat.

Race 1. No's 1.3.5.4
Race 2. No's 10.4.9.7
Race 3. No's 7.1.10.8
Race 4. No's 1.4.10.13
Race 5. No's 1.7.5.2
Race 6. No's 4.7.6.1
Race 7. No's  5.9.7.8
Race 8. No's 2.4.5.10.17 ( no 2 special )
Race 9  No's 4.7.15.14
Race 10.No's 2.11.10.8 (Late Scratchings No's 2 - 13 - 14)

Race 10: (14) Ab Almalik Late Scratching (E/W)   

 
TRIFECTA
Race 9
Box 4,7,9,14,15
Cost: $60 for $1
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« 2008-Nov-19, 12:17 PM Reply #5 »
To box all DL's trifectas would cost $240.  Already today,after race 3 , he has got a return of $300 +

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« 2008-Nov-20, 12:02 PM Reply #6 »
SEYMOUR TODAY

BEST BETS
RACE 6: (4) Just Look
RACE 8: (3) Cent Otto (Each Way)

BEST TRIFECTA
RACE 7:
1st: 2,5
2nd: 2,3,4,5,6
3rd: 2,3,4,5,6
COST: $24 for $1 

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« 2008-Nov-20, 06:30 PM Reply #7 »
Westie I doubt whether Deane has ever played a physical sport like cricket. His health problems have excluded him from such activity over the 25 years I've known him. Has always walked with the help of a stick etc. Not that his physical problems have ever slowed him down.  8-)

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« 2008-Nov-20, 07:11 PM Reply #8 »
Oh ! OK mate thought I read somewhere he did, perhaps a different DL.  Thanks I had better edit that.

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« 2008-Nov-21, 04:47 PM Reply #9 »
Deane Lester's Trackwatch

Moonee Valley

BEST BETS

RACE 4:   (7) Little Boy Blue (EW)

RACE 6: (10) I'm A Toff   

TRIFECTA

Race 7

1st:  2,3,6
2nd: 2,3,4,6,7,10
3rd:  2,3,4,6,7,10
Cost: $60 for $1

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« 2008-Nov-23, 01:42 PM Reply #10 »
Deane Lester's Trackwatch

Cranbourne

Be wary of this meeting, the track is rated a heavy (10) and most horses in training at this time of year are seeking dry tracks.   

BEST BETS

RACE 3:   (3) Sadalbari

RACE 6: (10) Grignard   

TRIFECTA

Race 7

1st:  2,6,7
2nd: 2,6,7,10
3rd:  2,6,7,10
Cost: $18 for $1

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« 2008-Nov-23, 04:57 PM Reply #11 »
Deane Lester's Trackwatch

Cranbourne

Be wary of this meeting, the track is rated a heavy (10) and most horses in training at this time of year are seeking dry tracks.   

BEST BETS

RACE 3:   (3) Sadalbari --no

RACE 6: (10) Grignard   --no


TRIFECTA

Race 7

1st:  2,6,7 --Trifecta was 7/6/2/and paid $9.40
2nd: 2,6,7,10
3rd:  2,6,7,10
Cost: $18 for $1

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« 2008-Nov-29, 08:24 AM Reply #12 »
Tips from Deanne Lester on Sports 927 this morning:

Race 1. 5-6-7-1
Race 2. 5-6-1-3
Race 3. 5-3-1-2
Race 4. 1-8-5-4
Race 5. 10-2-8-4
Race 6. 1-6-10-4
Race 7. 7-5-6-4
Race 8. 4-14-1-13

All care no responsibility with numbers.

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« 2008-Dec-01, 05:45 PM Reply #13 »
According to a couple of emails that I got , DL is a top bloke, but gee the poor bugger must get embarrassed with the way that some rrrrs lickers crawl to him when they discover his nic on a forum. :D

BTW he got a good trifecta up today with his special tips 8-)

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« 2008-Dec-01, 08:45 PM Reply #14 »
Grats, He's a media personality therefore open to critism where warranted and I'm sure he's a top bloke as you say, a couple of my mates know him personally and say the same.  I'm sure he's not a member on this forum yet, but that's only a matter of time.

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« 2008-Dec-01, 08:48 PM Reply #15 »
DL is a top bloke, but gee the poor bugger must get embarrassed with the way that some rrrrs lickers crawl to him when they discover his nic on a forum. :D

Would like the link to the forum, it's not TNHRCF.

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« 2008-Dec-02, 05:57 AM Reply #16 »
Sorry,It is a private forum.
« Last Edit: 2008-Dec-02, 06:04 AM by gratlog »

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« 2008-Dec-02, 10:17 AM Reply #17 »
gratlog says sorry its a private forum 

could you let us in on that gratlog


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« 2008-Dec-02, 11:19 AM Reply #18 »
Mate, it is a closed forum of 25 people who pay $200 a year to join.
If I told you who the members where , it wouldn't be private :D

We bet out $40 per week. What we get back , plus the extra left over, we give to help less fortunate people,especially this time of year.

Each fortnight, one of us get to choose who gets the money for that period. If you cannot think of anything you want to do with your share, you can put it into kitty till this time of year and give it to someone like the Salvos.
eg with my share I was able to give $150 to a old couple who had their house burnt down.

Just enjoyable and if anyone here wanted to start something similar, I'd consider joining in.  Just one thing. I refuse to handle money as it can be a pain in the rrrrs doing more than one of these things.


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« 2008-Dec-02, 03:55 PM Reply #19 »
Deano got one of his best bets up today in the first: Pink Siris ($3.10/$1.90). His tri got up to in the 7th ($42+) .. unfortunately it didn't return enough to cover the outlay. His other best is in the last: No. 1 Its Prince, from a stable he knows well.

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« 2008-Dec-02, 05:20 PM Reply #20 »
Most sensible people reckon this bloke is one of the best around. I think Ron Dufficy also backed this up on Retro last week.

When I think of it we should post Deane's best bets from the Tote site and then post similar our selves to see if we can beat him.

If you cannot find his best bets on The Tote home page just scroll down to the bottom and click onto the site map and you will see his there.

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« 2008-Dec-03, 09:58 AM Reply #21 »
Deane Lester's Trackwatch Wednesday 3 December
Sandown

BEST BETS
Race 2:  (4) Samburu Warrior
Race 4:  (9) Tahnee Topaz   

TRIFECTA
Race 6
1st:  1,4
2nd: 1,3,4,6,7,9
3rd:  1,3,4,6,7,9

Cost: $40 for $1 

Very evenly graded meeting with a host of chances in many of the races. Don't think there is an absolute standout bet at this meeting.

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« 2008-Dec-03, 11:11 AM Reply #22 »
Brave to leave Macedon Cat out of that Tri completely.

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« 2008-Dec-03, 08:12 PM Reply #23 »
Last Saturday Deane Lester appeared on Sport 927 ( 8am...9am EDST) Racing Radio WA on delay from Sport 927 ( 6.30 am...7.00am WAST ) 2KY ( 9am..10am EDST ) 4TAB ( after Chubby Holloway ).I believe he also tips on the NZ racing program and his tips are on the Tote Tasmania website.If his tipping gets that much exposure and punters follow his tips they will come up "unders" on every tote in Australia. Bookies will follow the tote with their markets and punters, who have followed DL with success in the past, will find that his tips will no longer be profitable, no matter how many winners he tips. It is called "The Law of Diminishing Return "

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« 2008-Dec-03, 11:03 PM Reply #24 »
It's nice though when you fancy something else against one of his tips though.


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