Diva, queen of the decade??????.....No way!!!! - Racing Talk - Racehorse TALK harm-plan

Racehorse TALK



Diva, queen of the decade??????.....No way!!!! - Racing Talk - Racehorse TALK

Author Topic: Diva, queen of the decade??????.....No way!!!!  (Read 28955 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline calgary

  • Group 1
  • User 61
  • Posts: 8937
« 2010-Jan-02, 05:41 PM Reply #25 »
Some of Wily's classic drivel from the vault   :lol:

Feel free to bring this up against me when another horse wins three Melbourne cups - think we'll be waiting awhile.  :nowink:

Just look at Viewed this year - had even better form coming in for his second crack and didn't get near it.

The others on those list were champions but only the Diva became a legend   :noteworthy:

Offline OldLarsy

  • Group 1
  • User 177
  • Posts: 18695
« 2010-Jan-02, 05:48 PM Reply #26 »
Just look at Viewed this year - had even better form coming in for his second crack and didn't get near it.

Wasn't Viewed's fault

Offline Max Manewer

  • Group 2
  • User 414
  • Posts: 4998
« 2010-Jan-02, 05:49 PM Reply #27 »

Thats twice without offering up who is.

I think TT had a head to head of 3/1 over Miss A and his record at home would have been much better if not for
A. Ridden by J. Ford
B. Globe strotted around the world in his prime


Don't believe Ford was any impediment.  :chin:

Offline arakaan

  • Group 1
  • User 192
  • Posts: 10695
« 2010-Jan-02, 05:56 PM Reply #28 »
Some of Wily's classic drivel from the vault   :lol:

Feel free to bring this up against me when another horse wins three Melbourne cups - think we'll be waiting awhile.  :nowink:

Just look at Viewed this year - had even better form coming in for his second crack and didn't get near it.

The others on those list were champions but only the Diva became a legend   :noteworthy:

Cal the fact that you compare Makybe Diva with Viewed is appropriate. I wouldn't be backing either against the others under 2 miles. ;)

And I told everyone on this forum why that Viewed could not win the cup, in fact I showed why it couldn't place(and this was after it won the CC). A shame a lot refused to listen.   :biggrin:
« Last Edit: 2010-Jan-02, 05:58 PM by arakaan »

Online wily ole dog

  • Group 1
  • User 218
  • Posts: 25631
« 2010-Jan-02, 06:01 PM Reply #29 »
Mr. Thomas was nice enought to reply.

I'm sure he won't miind me putting it here

Gday Wily

Thanks for your feedback _ as I wrote in the article it is only my opinion that Makybe Diva was the best of the decade, not a fact.

You are perfectly entitled to disagree although Im happy that you have nominated Lonhro as I also was a huge fan of the horse. He was a magnificent champion.

Thanks again for taking the time to reply.

Kind regards


Offline arakaan

  • Group 1
  • User 192
  • Posts: 10695
« 2010-Jan-02, 06:06 PM Reply #30 »
Surely you don't think Lohnro is no.1 in the decade but wily?

Offline Authorized

  • Group 1
  • User 18
  • Posts: 31143
« 2010-Jan-02, 06:15 PM Reply #31 »
The number one can not be decided at the Valley.

It should be torn up and blown up.

Nothing at the Valley stands up to scrutiny.

Offline arakaan

  • Group 1
  • User 192
  • Posts: 10695
« 2010-Jan-02, 06:19 PM Reply #32 »
What horse had a fair and square 4-4 hd to hd with Lonhro?(and yet doesn't get a mention and rightly so)
« Last Edit: 2010-Jan-02, 06:21 PM by arakaan »

Offline Nick Rivers

  • Group3
  • User 226
  • Posts: 957
« 2010-Jan-02, 06:22 PM Reply #33 »
Defier?

Offline arakaan

  • Group 1
  • User 192
  • Posts: 10695
« 2010-Jan-02, 06:23 PM Reply #34 »
Defier?

Correct. He did have a very nice G1 record, but would be no chance to make top 10 yet split record with Lonhro over both Sydney and Mel.
« Last Edit: 2010-Jan-02, 06:25 PM by arakaan »

Offline Authorized

  • Group 1
  • User 18
  • Posts: 31143
« 2010-Jan-02, 06:29 PM Reply #35 »
Correct. He did have a very nice G1 record, but would be no chance to make top 10 yet split record with Lonhro over both Sydney and Mel.

He wouldn't make a top 10 but he was fair dinkum top class no questions there.

As Bart says in his book, you define a champion by the horse they beat not the races they win. ( although I could be adding that last little bit.  8-) )

Offline Nick Rivers

  • Group3
  • User 226
  • Posts: 957
« 2010-Jan-02, 06:35 PM Reply #36 »

(10) Grand Armee

Doncaster Handicap (2003), Queen Elizabeth Stakes (2004-05), George Main Stakes (2004), Mackinnon Stakes (2004), Chipping Norton Stakes (2005), Queen Ranvet Stakes (2005)


I think this bloke should have been number one - I can't see any other horse winning the Queen Ranvet Stakes.

Offline arakaan

  • Group 1
  • User 192
  • Posts: 10695
« 2010-Jan-02, 06:36 PM Reply #37 »
It's a tough race to win for sure.   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

Offline calgary

  • Group 1
  • User 61
  • Posts: 8937
« 2010-Jan-02, 06:45 PM Reply #38 »
Cal the fact that you compare Makybe Diva with Viewed is appropriate. I wouldn't be backing either against the others under 2 miles. ;)

And I told everyone on this forum why that Viewed could not win the cup, in fact I showed why it couldn't place(and this was after it won the CC). A shame a lot refused to listen.    :biggrin:  

You also said Alcopop was the best thing since Lets Elope   :lol:  :nowink:

Offline calgary

  • Group 1
  • User 61
  • Posts: 8937
« 2010-Jan-02, 06:46 PM Reply #39 »
(10) Grand Armee

Doncaster Handicap (2003), Queen Elizabeth Stakes (2004-05), George Main Stakes (2004), Mackinnon Stakes (2004), Chipping Norton Stakes (2005), Queen Ranvet Stakes (2005)


I think this bloke should have been number one - I can't see any other horse winning the Queen Ranvet Stakes.

  :lol:

Offline arakaan

  • Group 1
  • User 192
  • Posts: 10695
« 2010-Jan-02, 06:51 PM Reply #40 »
You also said Alcopop was the best thing since Lets Elope   :lol:  :nowink:

but I also said Viewed had no chance despite you and many others declaring it. (P.S who was the first to put shocking in the Blackbook back when it ran 2nd in a ballarat maiden to Testaguy)  ;)

Offline arakaan

  • Group 1
  • User 192
  • Posts: 10695
« 2010-Jan-02, 06:54 PM Reply #41 »
I'm surprised no mention of the Hussler at 6. Seemed to be a horse some loved and others just hated.

In fact I know a few who'd even would have had Haradacat at number 1.   :lol:

Offline JWesleyHarding

  • Group 1
  • User 231
  • Posts: 18248
« 2010-Jan-02, 07:16 PM Reply #42 »
It would have been interesting Nick to see Ethereal have a longer career, she was probably just as good as Makybe Diva but was not given the opportunity to prove her greatness.

Exactly, and I said the same on the other forum at the time.

Another to be shuffled off to the breeding barn far too early.

Funny that you are so sanguine about it when they do the same for stallion prospects.

At least I'm consistent, I hate it for either gender.

Offline Authorized

  • Group 1
  • User 18
  • Posts: 31143
« 2010-Jan-02, 07:26 PM Reply #43 »
Exactly, and I said the same on the other forum at the time.

Another to be shuffled off to the breeding barn far too early.

Funny that you are so sanguine about it when they do the same for stallion prospects.

At least I'm consistent, I hate it for either gender.

You seem to constantly miss my point.

I agree with you when it comes to stallions, they should be proven on the race track before broodmare owners send a mare to them.

The difference is, I can see where stallion owners are coming from, they can make an absolute killing before the horse is proven, a mare can only produce one live foal a year, how many does Stratum have on the ground, how much has his syndicate made already ?

How much has Ethereals owners made ?

I wish they were raced from 2-5 and thoroughly tested like Lonhro and Durbridge were, but I can understand why they aren't.

Online wily ole dog

  • Group 1
  • User 218
  • Posts: 25631
« 2010-Jan-02, 07:48 PM Reply #44 »
I'm surprised no mention of the Hussler at 6. Seemed to be a horse some loved and others just hated.

In fact I know a few who'd even would have had Haradacat at number 1.   :lol:

Theres no way in gods beautiful earth that I'd rate a horse like the Hussler above Tie the Knot who had so much more "variety" to his game

Offline worldisavampire

  • Group 2
  • User 545
  • Posts: 3986
« 2010-Jan-02, 08:14 PM Reply #45 »
Makybe Diva easily.

Offline manikato1

  • Group 2
  • User 195
  • Posts: 4144
« 2010-Jan-03, 01:09 AM Reply #46 »
While I agree that The Diva shouldn't be on top, I can understand why she is on top.  However, I would like to throw one name into the ring - Reset.  Here's why.

There are many who will argue that Lohnro was at his best in the Autumn of 2004, when he won the Orr, St George, Australian Cup then dropped back in distance to win the Ryder.  Yet he fell in to win the Orr from Vocabulary.  She then went to the Futurity where she was blown away by Reset.  He had previously looked beaten in the Australian Guineas but fought back to beat Starcraft.  Now some of you may not think that is that great an achievement - if so, go and have a look at Starcraft's 1400-1600m record.  It is phenomenal.  He is one horse who is badly treated by our obsession with 2000m WFA races.  Take all of that into account, and to me Reset suddenly looks close to the best horse of the decade.  I know he had only 5 starts, but to me he used those starts to stamp his greatness.

Offline JWesleyHarding

  • Group 1
  • User 231
  • Posts: 18248
« 2010-Jan-03, 07:02 AM Reply #47 »
Stamped his potential, for mine, Manikato.

Offline Duke of Astor

  • Group 2
  • User 248
  • Posts: 2243
« 2010-Jan-03, 08:40 AM Reply #48 »
I think this may have been a lot smarter if they had three categories.....sprint, middle distance and stayer.

Would have pleased all.

Not convinced MD was better than Sunline, though Sunline is at a disadvantage, being a 5 yo at 2000.
You see...these time frames are flawed too.

They can be juggled and "headlined" to suit the winner they want.
« Last Edit: 2010-Jan-03, 08:45 AM by Duke of Astor »

Offline Authorized

  • Group 1
  • User 18
  • Posts: 31143
« 2010-Jan-03, 10:11 AM Reply #49 »
Manikato, you are quite possibly right, However ability does NOT automatically equate to greatness and I think that is what people are looking for here.

« Last Edit: 2010-Jan-03, 10:22 AM by Authorized »


BACK TO ALL TOPICS
Sitemap