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Offline JWesleyHarding

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« 2010-Jan-03, 10:19 AM Reply #50 »
However ability does automatically equate to greatness



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« 2010-Jan-03, 10:22 AM Reply #51 »
Nonesense

Typo, and I tend to think you knew that Geoff.
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« 2010-Jan-03, 10:34 AM Reply #52 »
Righto, I'll take that on board for the future.  emthup

Whatever you write, you mean exactly the opposite.  :beer:

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« 2010-Jan-03, 10:35 AM Reply #53 »
Righto, I'll take that on board for the future.    emthup   

Whatever you write, you mean exactly the opposite.  :beer:

It was hardly consistent with what i wrote earlier about Ethereal was it ?

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« 2010-Jan-03, 10:37 AM Reply #54 »
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Offline OldLarsy

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« 2010-Jan-03, 11:11 AM Reply #55 »
The Queen Of The Decade could have been Unworldly if life wasn't such a bitch

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« 2010-Jan-03, 11:30 AM Reply #56 »
The Queen Of The Decade could have been Unworldly if life wasn't such a bitch

Very good point , Larsy. She was something special.

What legs.  Razamatazz legs ("Elle")

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« 2010-Jan-03, 12:47 PM Reply #57 »
Great call Manikato   emthup

Reset has to be close to the forgotten horse of the decade and was one of my faves despite his limited career.

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« 2010-Jan-03, 12:56 PM Reply #58 »
Now there is one that should be on the list. Starcraft. 5 G1's in 4 countries.  :clap2:


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« 2010-Jan-03, 02:01 PM Reply #59 »
Needed to win that Cox Plate I think Ara.

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« 2010-Jan-03, 02:25 PM Reply #60 »
Whatever won the most prizemoney is the winner. Or what won the most prizemoney in races open to all comers.

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« 2010-Jan-03, 02:29 PM Reply #61 »
Whatever won the most prizemoney is the winner. Or what won the most prizemoney in races open to all comers.

I'm the biggest hater of prizemoney records.

Maybe Diva, for instance, won 3 Melb Cups, the richest race in the country, and most of the horses in those 3 Cups can't run the trip.

Horses racing in races from 1200 to 2000 are normally full of fields where most are capable of winning, yet the prizemoney isn't as large.

Therefore I can't agree with you.

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« 2010-Jan-03, 02:33 PM Reply #62 »
Not it's fault the other buggers couldn't run it out, they came from all over the world to try.    :lol:

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« 2010-Jan-03, 02:40 PM Reply #63 »
Needed to win that Cox Plate I think Ara.

I go back to my comment about him,  he is to some extent screwed by our program.  I think he had one 1600m G1 WFA race, which he won, but his record is to some extent downplayed because he wasn't quite at his best at 2000m.  To be fair, it wasn't until his last race that we probably truly found this out.  I tend to think we underestimate Reset for the same reason, we don't truly give Starcraft the credit he deserves, therefore Reset's Guineas win is underestimated because he beat Starcraft.

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« 2010-Jan-03, 02:49 PM Reply #64 »
I go back to my comment about him,  he is to some extent screwed by our program.  I think he had one 1600m G1 WFA race, which he won, but his record is to some extent downplayed because he wasn't quite at his best at 2000m.  To be fair, it wasn't until his last race that we probably truly found this out.  I tend to think we underestimate Reset for the same reason, we don't truly give Starcraft the credit he deserves, therefore Reset's Guineas win is underestimated because he beat Starcraft.

The problem with Reset is how can you really judge a horse on one 3 month prep no matter how good it was(thats all Reset had).

If we did that Dignity Dancer for example could be the equal of any horse to race in this country.
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« 2010-Jan-03, 02:50 PM Reply #65 »
I go back to my comment about him,  he is to some extent screwed by our program.  I think he had one 1600m G1 WFA race, which he won, but his record is to some extent downplayed because he wasn't quite at his best at 2000m.  To be fair, it wasn't until his last race that we probably truly found this out.  I tend to think we underestimate Reset for the same reason, we don't truly give Starcraft the credit he deserves, therefore Reset's Guineas win is underestimated because he beat Starcraft.

I remember at the time going over the top with praise for Reset and even more so when Starcraft went on at his next start and won the Chipping Norton stakes.

Reset was possibly the most talented horse of the period, but was certainly not the greatest of that period.

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« 2010-Jan-03, 02:57 PM Reply #66 »
and I still maintain after seeing the wfa races this years if samantha miss wasn't injured we'd have a horse lobbing into a mid spot at least on this list.

She would've had a cakewalk through the spring against the lot of pretenders we saw battle it out. 

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« 2010-Jan-03, 03:16 PM Reply #67 »
I remember at the time going over the top with praise for Reset and even more so when Starcraft went on at his next start and won the Chipping Norton stakes.

Reset was possibly the most talented horse of the period, but was certainly not the greatest of that period.

I don't think he was the "greatest", but I certainly think he deserves a place in the top 10, or at least consideration for such.  Probably Starcraft as well.

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« 2010-Jan-03, 03:19 PM Reply #68 »
There was a list with the article of other notables that included Starcraft and others, not sure about Reset.

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« 2010-Jan-03, 03:28 PM Reply #69 »
My Horse of the Decade and
My Biggest win to date   :noteworthy:
[web]http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200610/r112132_351349.jpg[/web]


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« 2010-Jan-03, 03:42 PM Reply #70 »
Manikato, with the greatest of respect, and I say that honestly as you always seem to give your posts a lot of thought, Reset won two Group races.

One against this own age, the other in a five horse race defeating Vocabulary and Yell.

A horse of great potential, but his achievements surely did not warrant consideration as one of the top 10 horses of the past 9 years.    

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« 2010-Jan-03, 03:59 PM Reply #71 »
Elvstroem used to beat Makybe Diva home at WFA, so MD at no.1 is a mistake IMO.

She was great, but certainly not the best of the decade. Remember, she lost more races than she won.

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« 2010-Jan-03, 04:23 PM Reply #72 »
There are some things that transcend sport.

In 100 years Makybe Diva will be as well known as Bradman is now. The decision to have her as number one on this list could not be any simpler.


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« 2010-Jan-03, 04:28 PM Reply #73 »
You're right it can't be simpler, especially if we are not talking about ability

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« 2010-Jan-03, 04:49 PM Reply #74 »
There are some things that transcend sport.

In 100 years Makybe Diva will be as well known as Bradman is now. The decision to have her as number one on this list could not be any simpler.



I don't think anyone will be saying Makybe Diva was an a*sehole.


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